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KetoForce- Patrick Arnold does it again.....and how!!

truthornothin said:
ketones are the fuel your body generates when you are in ketosis. KetoForse is an external supply of that fuel. A ready available source over and above what your body produces
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You mean like carbs or food? Holy cow a carbon source! What a concept! :D

Seriously though - question: Why would someone with elevated blood sugar, or who is regularly eating carbs, want to use this? It seems like to supply exogenous ketones in excess of blood glucose is just going to shunt natural ketone production, at the very least until glycaemia is reduced. And won't the body continue to use the glucose preferentially since it's energetically more efficient?

I mean, yes, you're artificially elevating blood ketone levels, but you're not stimulating or initiating ketogenesis are you? For that, you need glucose clearance, and this doesn't seem to dothat at all.
 
braskibra said:
PA have you considered the cross fit community, they generally seem to buy into many of the paleo concepts. There is also quite a few paleo and low carb forums out there ( caveman, lowcarb.org)
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I need people that are already established on these sites and in these communities. I just cant go in there as a newbie and start pimping

do you know any candidates?
 
todd muelheim said:
Will they take precedence over glucose if taken by someone not on a ketogenic diet? Sry if this has been mentioned already.
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This is the question that keeps coming up. And i am going to press Dr. Dagostino for his thoughts on this.

We do know that
For people that have trouble processing glucose (due to insulin insenstivity, Glut4 deficiency etc) ketones serve as an excellent alternative fuel source

So what if you are able to metabolize glucose efficiently? Well I imagine that during intensive exercsie you may deplete glycogen reserves and at that point your body could utilize the ketones. Are ketones burned simulataneously with glucose before you reach this point? I dont know. I dont see why they wouldnt be.
 
Resolve said:
You mean like carbs or food? Holy cow a carbon source! What a concept! :D

Seriously though - question: Why would someone with elevated blood sugar, or who is regularly eating carbs, want to use this? It seems like to supply exogenous ketones in excess of blood glucose is just going to shunt natural ketone production, at the very least until glycaemia is reduced. And won't the body continue to use the glucose preferentially since it's energetically more efficient?

I mean, yes, you're artificially elevating blood ketone levels, but you're not stimulating or initiating ketogenesis are you? For that, you need glucose clearance, and this doesn't seem to dothat at all.
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first of all, someone with elevated blood glucose who is eating carbs will not be producing ketones to begin with. And people in such a metabolic state obviously are suffering from insulin resistance and limited capacity to produce dieteary energy from glucose. For these people exogenous ketones would be very beneficial, as they can enter cells freely and generate ATP

ketones are more energetically efficient than glucose btw, you have that backwards

Its somewhat unrelated but this product has been shown to consistently lower blood glucose (around 10-15 points) so to say it does nothing for glucose clearance is not entirely true. However this product is not meant to stimulate your bodies production of ketones, it is merely an exogenous source of ketones. Sort of like MCTs but you can reach blood levels much higher
 
Resolve said:
You mean like carbs or food? Holy cow a carbon source! What a concept! :D
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yes energy substrates (like all organic compounds) are carbon based. However their role in the production of cellular energy have nothing to do with being a "carbon source"
 
Patrick Arnold said:
first of all, someone with elevated blood glucose who is eating carbs will not be producing ketones to begin with. And people in such a metabolic state obviously are suffering from insulin resistance and limited capacity to produce dieteary energy from glucose. For these people exogenous ketones would be very beneficial, as they can enter cells freely and generate ATP

ketones are more energetically efficient than glucose btw, you have that backwards

Its somewhat unrelated but this product has been shown to consistently lower blood glucose (around 10-15 points) so to say it does nothing for glucose clearance is not entirely true. However this product is not meant to stimulate your bodies production of ketones, it is merely an exogenous source of ketones. Sort of like MCTs but you can reach blood levels much higher
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Appreciate the answer, though people with elevated glucose could just be post-prandial, they're not necessarily diabetic. But you are right, I did reverse ketones and glucose - I was thinking of them as a product of gluconeogenesis rather than lipolysis for whatever reason.

So this is intended to ease the transition from using glucose to ketones as a fuel source, right? Do exogenous ketone bodies suppress endogenous production?
 
Resolve said:
Appreciate the answer, though people with elevated glucose could just be post-prandial, they're not necessarily diabetic. But you are right, I did reverse ketones and glucose - I was thinking of them as a product of gluconeogenesis rather than lipolysis for whatever reason.

So this is intended to ease the transition from using glucose to ketones as a fuel source, right? Do exogenous ketone bodies suppress endogenous production?
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I am not really marketing it to ease the transition into a ketogenic diet anymore. That was something I originally thought of but now I think its best to target it for exercise performance, at least for the time being.

Ketones themselves do not seem to self regulate ketone production. Insulin certainly does. Observe diabetic ketoacidosis. The ketones pile up yet ketone production keeps running amok. This is because the body is unable to produce and/or process insulin.

So I dont think this product should interfere with endogenous ketone production, at least not by any mechanism involving ketones themselves
 
Everyone is wondering how well your body will use ketones for energy if you are not in ketosis and are eating a normal carb diet

Does your body burn ketones simulataneously with glucose? During exercise when glucose availabilty becomes a limiting factor will ketones then kick in and take over?


D'Agostino, Dominic
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Yes and yes to both questions. I think the main benefit is that it will spare glycogen and thus endurance athletes will have greater time to exhaustion.
We see this in mice.
 
truthornothin said:
I have not used it carbed up, but it would be an additional source of energy in addition to the carbs in your system. I haven't heard from anyone that has used it this way yet. But it should help with both, the running longer and pushing out more reps.
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Seems like the ticket to push through those Thursday/Friday workouts
 
Patrick Arnold said:
Everyone is wondering how well your body will use ketones for energy if you are not in ketosis and are eating a normal carb diet

Does your body burn ketones simulataneously with glucose? During exercise when glucose availabilty becomes a limiting factor will ketones then kick in and take over?


D'Agostino, Dominic
12:36 PM (6 minutes ago)


Yes and yes to both questions. I think the main benefit is that it will spare glycogen and thus endurance athletes will have greater time to exhaustion.
We see this in mice.
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awesome!
 
Distilled Water said:
Seems like the ticket to push through those Thursday/Friday workouts
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I've had my two most stellar squat routines ever using KETOFORCE, TAA and COP. PR's left and right. I literally had to stop myself or else it would have been too easy to push too far....a good problem to have
 
truthornothin said:
I've had my two most stellar squat routines ever using KETOFORCE, TAA and COP. PR's left and right. I literally had to stop myself or else it would have been too easy to push too far....a good problem to have
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Have cop,and taa, your getting me fi in curious about Keto.
 
Patrick Arnold said:
I need people that are already established on these sites and in these communities. I just cant go in there as a newbie and start pimping

do you know any candidates?
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I have already ordered 2 bottles.

A guy you could "sponsor" with a bottle or two is a norwegian guy named Kenn Halstensen. He has many clients, some of them top athletes. In Norway he is responsible for the diet of the top soccer team Strømsgodset. They are affiliated with Manchester City and he has been there to talk about his views of a LCHF-diet to promote a better physical condition. He has also co-written several books. He is affiliated with paleo/keto- proponents all over the world.

I have already tipped him about KetoForce.
 
T-Bone said:
I would take some!. My workouts are geared more towards fat loss and endurance than anything else!.
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Take a listen to this. Patrick Arnold and Dr. D'agostino discussing the product and Ketosis in general. Dr. D'Agostino said that KetoForce is the Creatine for endurance athletes. There you go T-Bone.Invalid Link Removed
 
truthornothin said:
Take a listen to this. Patrick Arnold and Dr. D'agostino discussing the product and Ketosis in general. Dr. D'Agostino said that KetoForce is the Creatine for endurance athletes. There you go T-Bone.Invalid Link Removed
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U listened to it?

I thought it was great. But then I am so familiar with the subject matter. I dunno how easy it was for others to follow
 
If one were on a keto-diet and the goal is fatloss, would consuming KetoForce before 4-5 weekly workouts make me use LESS stored energy? Will KetoForce fuel my workouts making them better/more effective, but at the same time make me lose fat slower?
 
HITFrank said:
If one were on a keto-diet and the goal is fatloss, would consuming KetoForce before 4-5 weekly workouts make me use LESS stored energy? Will KetoForce fuel my workouts making them better/more effective, but at the same time make me lose fat slower?
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in the long term i dont think so. yes you will use less stored energy if you have any caloric source before training. You will also burn alot more muscle, which will ultimately end up lowering your metabolic rate and then you will probably end up fatter
 
Patrick Arnold said:
U listened to it?

I thought it was great. But then I am so familiar with the subject matter. I dunno how easy it was for others to follow
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Yes, I listened to it. It was good. I am somewhat familiar with the subject matter but it filled in some gaps regarding exactly what the product can do as well as keto dieting in general. I see numerous applications for KetoForce. I will be following D'agostino's work as well as I have a personal interest i keto dieting as well. Especially regarding its anti cancer effects
 
Patrick Arnold said:
U listened to it?

I thought it was great. But then I am so familiar with the subject matter. I dunno how easy it was for others to follow
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I listened to it. It's a facinating subject which I didn't have a hard time following. And i ain't no genE us. ;)
 
megadeth said:
I listened to it. It's a facinating subject which I didn't have a hard time following. And i ain't no genE us.
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They did a good job explaining it. If you have a basic knowledge of health and the human body you will understand a lot of it
 
HITFrank said:
I have already ordered 2 bottles.

A guy you could "sponsor" with a bottle or two is a norwegian guy named Kenn Halstensen. He has many clients, some of them top athletes. In Norway he is responsible for the diet of the top soccer team Strømsgodset. They are affiliated with Manchester City and he has been there to talk about his views of a LCHF-diet to promote a better physical condition. He has also co-written several books. He is affiliated with paleo/keto- proponents all over the world.

I have already tipped him about KetoForce.
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Have you had a chance to try it yet? If so what do you think?
 
truthornothin said:
Have you had a chance to try it yet? If so what do you think?
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My KetoForce have been seized by customs here in Norway! I haven't received a letter from them yet, but the tracking shows that its been seized.

I think it will be on the way back to USA.

Have any EU-shops ordered KetoForce? Predatornutrition?

Edit: They just wanted me to pay duties and tax..:) I will try KetoForce soon..:)
 
HITFrank said:
My KetoForce have been seized by customs here in Norway! I haven't received a letter from them yet, but the tracking shows that its been seized.

I think it will be on the way back to USA.

Have any EU-shops ordered KetoForce? Predatornutrition?

Edit: They just wanted me to pay duties and tax..:) I will try KetoForce soon..:)
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Yes Predator Nutrition carries it, I know Reggie has it on order and tell him David from E-Pharm Sent you
 
just listening about this on SHR. Always wanted to try some PN products but they are always out of stock haha.
 
im not really feeling any effects from this product...just to be honest. It seems to work only (or best) on people who are keto-adapted
 
truthornothin said:
Yes Predator Nutrition carries it, I know Reggie has it on order and tell him David from E-Pharm Sent you
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I sent Reggie a Message on Facebook and Predatornutrition hadn't ordered KetoForce because it was out of stock.

And my KetoForce were seized and is on their way back to USA..:( Customs, taxes and regulations suck bigtime in this country.
 
Help to find Keto Force

Hello everybody
my name is matteo
I am here because i absolutely need to find a bottle of keto force.
My dad has cancer, and unfortunately has not too much time left, we have been advised to try the ketogenic diet.
For his helath problems he needs keto force to help him reach ketosis.
I cannot find it, i am in italy, the website that sells it is out of stock.
Anybody has any other advice about where could i find it?
Or has anybody an extra bottle that could ship it to me?
Of course i will payback the price of the bottle and the shipping. ( i can send money via paypal or bank transfer or whatever you guys prefer)

Please if any of you is not using keto force as a way to fight cancer, please think about helping me and my dad...!
I would be eternally grateful

thank you

matteo
 
teosax said:
Hello everybody
my name is matteo
I am here because i absolutely need to find a bottle of keto force.
My dad has cancer, and unfortunately has not too much time left, we have been advised to try the ketogenic diet.
For his helath problems he needs keto force to help him reach ketosis.
I cannot find it, i am in italy, the website that sells it is out of stock.
Anybody has any other advice about where could i find it?
Or has anybody an extra bottle that could ship it to me?
Of course i will payback the price of the bottle and the shipping. ( i can send money via paypal or bank transfer or whatever you guys prefer)

Please if any of you is not using keto force as a way to fight cancer, please think about helping me and my dad...!
I would be eternally grateful

thank you

matteo
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we hope it will be in stock next week matteo.
 
teosax said:
Hello everybody
my name is matteo
I am here because i absolutely need to find a bottle of keto force.
My dad has cancer, and unfortunately has not too much time left, we have been advised to try the ketogenic diet.
For his helath problems he needs keto force to help him reach ketosis.
I cannot find it, i am in italy, the website that sells it is out of stock.
Anybody has any other advice about where could i find it?
Or has anybody an extra bottle that could ship it to me?
Of course i will payback the price of the bottle and the shipping. ( i can send money via paypal or bank transfer or whatever you guys prefer)

Please if any of you is not using keto force as a way to fight cancer, please think about helping me and my dad...!
I would be eternally grateful

thank you

matteo
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You could probably use high grade MCT or Coconut oil until you able to acquire the Ketoforce.
 
teosax said:
Hello everybody
my name is matteo
I am here because i absolutely need to find a bottle of keto force.
My dad has cancer, and unfortunately has not too much time left, we have been advised to try the ketogenic diet.
For his helath problems he needs keto force to help him reach ketosis.
I cannot find it, i am in italy, the website that sells it is out of stock.
Anybody has any other advice about where could i find it?
Or has anybody an extra bottle that could ship it to me?
Of course i will payback the price of the bottle and the shipping. ( i can send money via paypal or bank transfer or whatever you guys prefer)

Please if any of you is not using keto force as a way to fight cancer, please think about helping me and my dad...!
I would be eternally grateful

thank you

matteo
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Sorry to hear about your father I lost mine to a disease and feel your pain. I have about 2/3rds of a bottle if you think it would help.
 
KetoForce is back in stock
 
Sorry if I missed it, but is there a way to estimate the calorie content of a dose of Ketoforce?

I avoid carb-based pre-workouts...while they feel great at first, they mess with my appetite and make me ravenous afterwards. Thus I like training fasted and/or ketogenic instead. That gives me high hopes for the ketoforce...but I still want to make sure I compensate by modulating calories appropriately with the extra intake, and don't over or under compensate if my appetite goes wonky (as it does on a regular basis).
 
foobar16 said:
Sorry if I missed it, but is there a way to estimate the calorie content of a dose of Ketoforce?

I avoid carb-based pre-workouts...while they feel great at first, they mess with my appetite and make me ravenous afterwards. Thus I like training fasted and/or ketogenic instead. That gives me high hopes for the ketoforce...but I still want to make sure I compensate by modulating calories appropriately with the extra intake, and don't over or under compensate if my appetite goes wonky (as it does on a regular basis).
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One serving (30mL) contains approximately 12 grams of BHB. Each gram of BHB has about 5 calories so you are looking at 60 calories

I like to use powdered essential amino acids (15g or so) along with ketoforce in my workout drink. It provides ample energy while providing no carbs. I also dont feel hungry after my workout as much
 
Awesome Patrick. Thanks for being so forthcoming. Knowing the actual dose just removed all my hesitation to go experiment.

60kcal isn't all that much in the first place, but now it's not a big scary unknown :).

And knowing for sure it's 12g of BHB gives me some starting place if I do decide test BHB levels.

I just got 4 bottles in the mail yesterday. And now I've got far less hesitation about pounding them. Here I go :).
 
I know a few of you use both ECOP and KetoForce.

Any reason I shouldn't mix ECOP and KetoForce in the same beverage, or leave some time between ingesting the two?
 
foobar16 said:
I know a few of you use both ECOP and KetoForce.

Any reason I shouldn't mix ECOP and KetoForce in the same beverage, or leave some time between ingesting the two?
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I dont see any reason as to why you cant combine the two. Just beware you may have to use the bathroom after ingestion, everyone is different though.

BigGame84 said:
Can ketoforce be taken intraworkout mixed with 10 oz of water and powdered EAA's?
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I dont see why not but IMO ketoforce is best used pre workout.
 
foobar16 said:
I know a few of you use both ECOP and KetoForce.

Any reason I shouldn't mix ECOP and KetoForce in the same beverage, or leave some time between ingesting the two?
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i dont see it mattering either way, except that it may affect the fizz. try it
 
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