It's fuggin here now old fuggers contest prep Extravaganza!!!!!!!

Yeah the science behind that is pretty good. If I worked out in the evening I would give it a shot but it is not optimal for someone who works out in the morning.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Yeah the science behind that is pretty good. If I worked out in the evening I would give it a shot but it is not optimal for someone who works out in the morning.
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Same conclusion I have come too bro...

-Chris
EBF Rep
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When is your next show again, or are you just getting contest ripped for the hell of it?
 
see, i follow IF and am bulking, i feel like i am not getting the same size gains i would if i wastn following just becasue of what i read. At the same tiem i am making some reall ynice gains for the first time in a while, plus, i REALLY like to eat alot, and i feel like IF lets you get awaywith some crap like i eat a decent amount o ben and jerrys ice cream and poptarts and think im doin pretty good, im just afraid i coudl be making better progress on a regular diet? what do you think? maybe jsut ahve a few more meals in the IF window?
 
mkretz said:
see, i follow IF and am bulking, i feel like i am not getting the same size gains i would if i wastn following just becasue of what i read. At the same tiem i am making some reall ynice gains for the first time in a while, plus, i REALLY like to eat alot, and i feel like IF lets you get awaywith some crap like i eat a decent amount o ben and jerrys ice cream and poptarts and think im doin pretty good, im just afraid i coudl be making better progress on a regular diet? what do you think? maybe jsut ahve a few more meals in the IF window?
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Are you still 150 lbs at 69"? If so then just eat. A lot
 
ScottyDoc said:
When is your next show again, or are you just getting contest ripped for the hell of it?
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I may go to one here May 11th this whole process has me peaking on that date so I am about 50/50 right now. Depends on how things go.

mkretz said:
see, i follow IF and am bulking, i feel like i am not getting the same size gains i would if i wastn following just becasue of what i read. At the same tiem i am making some reall ynice gains for the first time in a while, plus, i REALLY like to eat alot, and i feel like IF lets you get awaywith some crap like i eat a decent amount o ben and jerrys ice cream and poptarts and think im doin pretty good, im just afraid i coudl be making better progress on a regular diet? what do you think? maybe jsut ahve a few more meals in the IF window?
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IF is better for easy gainers if you ask me. I can get more out of it in a bulk situation cuz I can really put the grub away. The other factor for me is I do not need a large calorie surplus to make serous gains, nor should I ever be in a large calorie surplus for any reason.

PalmFist said:
Are you still 150 lbs at 69"? If so then just eat. A lot
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Yah IF is more for endo's I keep saying. If you are under 200 lbs you are either very cut or you are no endo, generally speaking
 
Yesterday pretty big feed...

[TABLE="class: table0"]
[TR="class: meal_header"]
[TD="class: first alt"]Meal 1 (Around noon)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first alt"]Homemade Salad - Greens, Cucumbers, Peppers, etc, 4 cups [/TD]
[TD]200[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD="class: delete"]Invalid Link Removed [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first alt"]Chicken Breast - Boneless, Skinless 6 oz., 1.2 breast 6 oz. [/TD]
[TD]288[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]58[/TD]
[TD="class: delete"]Invalid Link Removed [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first alt"]Oranges - Raw, navels, 1 fruit (2-7/8" dia) [/TD]
[TD]69[/TD]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD="class: delete"]Invalid Link Removed [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first alt"]Giant Sports - Delicious Protein Chocolate, 2 Scoop [/TD]
[TD]274[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]54[/TD]
[TD="class: delete"]Invalid Link Removed [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first alt"]Beef - Top Sirloin, Steak, Separable Lean Only, Trimmed to 0" Fat, Choice, Cooked, Broiled , 3 oz (85 g) [/TD]
[TD]160[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]26[/TD]
[TD="class: delete"]Invalid Link Removed [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: bottom"]
[TD="class: first alt"][/TD]
[TD]991[/TD]
[TD]36[/TD]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]139[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: meal_header"]
[TD="class: first alt"]Meal 2 (Between 5 and 7 pm)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first alt"]Generic - Ground Beef 95% Lean 5% Fat Grilled and Fat Drained Off, 24 ounces [/TD]
[TD]912[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]34[/TD]
[TD]144[/TD]
[TD="class: delete"]Invalid Link Removed [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first alt"]Del Monte - Black Beans (Canned), 2 cup cooked [/TD]
[TD]400[/TD]
[TD]80[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD="class: delete"]Invalid Link Removed [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first alt"]Iga - Kaiser Bun, 3 bun [/TD]
[TD]510[/TD]
[TD]96[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD="class: delete"]Invalid Link Removed [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first alt"]Regular - Anjou Pear, 3 pear [/TD]
[TD]153[/TD]
[TD]39[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD="class: delete"]Invalid Link Removed [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first alt"]Homemade - Builders Balls (Natural Pb, Oats, Honey, Rice Crisps, Protein Powder), 0.8 ball [/TD]
[TD]200[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD="class: delete"]Invalid Link Removed [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: bottom"]
[TD="class: first alt"][/TD]
[TD]2,175[/TD]
[TD]222[/TD]
[TD]56[/TD]
[TD]195[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: spacer"]
[TD="class: first, colspan: 4"] [/TD]
[TD="class: empty"] [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: total"]
[TD="class: first"]Totals[/TD]
[TD]3,166[/TD]
[TD]258[/TD]
[TD]70[/TD]
[TD]334[/TD]
[TD="class: empty"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: total alt"]
[TD="class: first"][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="class: empty"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: total remaining"]
[TD="class: first"][/TD]
[TD="class: positive"][/TD]
[TD="class: negative"][/TD]
[TD="class: positive"][/TD]
[TD="class: positive"][/TD]
[TD="class: empty"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first"][/TD]
[TD="class: alt"][/TD]
[TD="class: alt"][/TD]
[TD="class: alt"][/TD]
[TD="class: alt"][/TD]
[TD="class: empty"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first"][/TD]
[TD="class: extra, colspan: 5"]*You've earned 1239 extra calories from exercise today [/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
mkretz said:
i REALLY like to eat alot, and i feel like IF lets you get awaywith some crap like i eat a decent amount o ben and jerrys ice cream and poptarts and think im doin pretty good?
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another MAJOR problem i have, with majority of ppl who practice this (irregardless of any goal)..
that mentality is not conducive to hitting on all cylinders. period.
'it lets me eat crap'
no. quality micros of your macros WILL ALWAYS be a better option, regardless of whatever dietary protocol you wish to follow..
if you are following a plan because it lets you feel good about making weak dietary choices, you have defeated the purposes of the plan, and do not think like a bodybuilder who wants to continue making musculature gains, but rather simply another joe who doesn't understand dietary discretion

i am not being callous or pointed to you personally man, because a LOT of ppl share that view..
it is not conducive to your goals to think that way, and never will be
period
 
If you look in the IF thread a trend you will see is a lot like what you see here with me. Going from normal to IF for a while loving the freedom of it, leaning up some while eating poorer food choices then when they go on a bulk they revert back to 4-6 meals a day. If your main goal is to gain as much lean body mass as possible then that is what you should be doing. Doug is a different story he is on a perpetual recomp, and when he is on anabolics he grows well with his plan. He is also at a point where he is trying to refine his size and work on balance instead of just worrying about size.

They guys I will be competing with are all pretty big and thick so if I want to be competitive I need to be bigger everywhere, and ripped to shreds.

If Martin Berkham is your idea of the ideal physique then IF is great, however he even admits he did not gain most of his size on IF he gained it before then then refined it.
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
another MAJOR problem i have, with majority of ppl who practice this (irregardless of any goal)..
that mentality is not conducive to hitting on all cylinders. period.
'it lets me eat crap'
no. quality micros of your macros WILL ALWAYS be a better option, regardless of whatever dietary protocol you wish to follow..
if you are following a plan because it lets you feel good about making weak dietary choices, you have defeated the purposes of the plan, and do not think like a bodybuilder who wants to continue making musculature gains, but rather simply another joe who doesn't understand dietary discretion

i am not being callous or pointed to you personally man, because a LOT of ppl share that view..
it is not conducive to your goals to think that way, and never will be
period
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Depends...Carbbackloading works under the premise that you eat "crap" carbs. I've seen results of those who follow it correctly and it works. I have trouble with it because I just can't eat all that crap. The idea of eating candy or pastries sounds fine but actually doing it doesn't work for me. But again, CBL is ultra low carb up until PWO and then their is a slim window to get carbs. Not just eating crap. And the premise is the simpler the carbs the quicker your body clears then and insulin level decrease. One big spike shuttling into your muscles. I like the idea but most people do not follow the protocol and confuse it with IF or leangains.

I personally could not eat enough in the small window for CBL to get a positive gain in mass. I could lose fat because the first part of the day is either fasted or Ultra Low Carb.
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
another MAJOR problem i have, with majority of ppl who practice this (irregardless of any goal)..
that mentality is not conducive to hitting on all cylinders. period.
'it lets me eat crap'
no. quality micros of your macros WILL ALWAYS be a better option, regardless of whatever dietary protocol you wish to follow..
if you are following a plan because it lets you feel good about making weak dietary choices, you have defeated the purposes of the plan, and do not think like a bodybuilder who wants to continue making musculature gains, but rather simply another joe who doesn't understand dietary discretion

i am not being callous or pointed to you personally man, because a LOT of ppl share that view..
it is not conducive to your goals to think that way, and never will be
period
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A lot of what you are saying is right on the money, if you look at my diet 95% of what I eat would be good choices on any dietary regimen. That changes with the situation of course and as I continue that will become more strict. That being said you can get away with a bit more on this diet but you cannot use that as a excuse to eat a lot of crap on a regular basis. You will notice that when I treat myself it's with things that a lot of people would not even consider treats. I do because I can't eat them all the time. Take my power balls for instance oats, honey, natural pb and protein powder is all they are. Stil they are so calorie dense it's hard to work them into my daily diet so they become my treats. The other thing I use is fruit. I have one meal out and it's usually chicken swarma's which are mostly chicken and vegtables on a pita.

So yes you still have to eat almost all the same foods as on any other diet if you want to progress. If you have to eat a lot of calories to make gains though, you'd be better off doing some other diet plan. Again this diet is for efficient body types.
 
calebsmitty said:
Depends...Carbbackloading works under the premise that you eat "crap" carbs. I've seen results of those who follow it correctly and it works. I have trouble with it because I just can't eat all that crap. The idea of eating candy or pastries sounds fine but actually doing it doesn't work for me. But again, CBL is ultra low carb up until PWO and then their is a slim window to get carbs. Not just eating crap. And the premise is the simpler the carbs the quicker your body clears then and insulin level decrease. One big spike shuttling into your muscles. I like the idea but most people do not follow the protocol and confuse it with IF or leangains.

I personally could not eat enough in the small window for CBL to get a positive gain in mass. I could lose fat because the first part of the day is either fasted or Ultra Low Carb.
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Yah I have tried that and it did help me lose faster but I felt like crap for 2 days after eating all that junk.
 
When I bulk, or have bulked, I ate all day. Not just a set number of meals. I ate breakfast had two or three snack times before lunch. Gorged at lunch, had a couple snacks before WO, Had dinner, Protein Shake, Snacks, Pre Bed time snack, bed time snack.

I only had one big meal a day but I ate or took a supp all day. I blew up easily to 260. I just wish I was using more volume when I did this. I would have added much more muscle than I did on 531.
 
MrKleen73 said:
If you look in the IF thread a trend you will see is a lot like what you see here with me. Going from normal to IF for a while loving the freedom of it, leaning up some while eating poorer food choices then when they go on a bulk they revert back to 4-6 meals a day. If your main goal is to gain as much lean body mass as possible then that is what you should be doing. Doug is a different story he is on a perpetual recomp, and when he is on anabolics he grows well with his plan. He is also at a point where he is trying to refine his size and work on balance instead of just worrying about size.

They guys I will be competing with are all pretty big and thick so if I want to be competitive I need to be bigger everywhere, and ripped to shreds.

If Martin Berkham is your idea of the ideal physique then IF is great, however he even admits he did not gain most of his size on IF he gained it before then then refined it.
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Yah I don't really know what I can gain on LG but I think I could cram in quite a bit more food so I bet I could gain fairly well being that I gain pretty easy. Still I would have to eat quite high quality. You can concoct stuff that tastes pretty good with really high quality foods as long as you have the caloric latitude to do so.
 
calebsmitty said:
Yeah the bloat is bad. I used white rice and potatoes and it helped. But i rarely ate more than 300 g of Carbs.
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I did the one where you jam 2000 grams in, in 24 hours.. fuggin brutal. It was fun for about 30 minutes.
 
calebsmitty said:
When I bulk, or have bulked, I ate all day. Not just a set number of meals. I ate breakfast had two or three snack times before lunch. Gorged at lunch, had a couple snacks before WO, Had dinner, Protein Shake, Snacks, Pre Bed time snack, bed time snack.

I only had one big meal a day but I ate or took a supp all day. I blew up easily to 260. I just wish I was using more volume when I did this. I would have added much more muscle than I did on 531.
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Bulking is just a bad idea for me, I even have to be very careful in a lean bulk.
 
DreamWeaver said:
I did the one where you jam 2000 grams in, in 24 hours.. fuggin brutal. It was fun for about 30 minutes.
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Damn. Thats crazy. Was that from the book? Under the strength accumulation I was supposed to eat 800-900g PWO which for me would be about 1.5-2 hrs before bed. Just was too much for me. CBL works best when you can train from about 3-6 in the afternoon. So you have time to get the carbs in.
 
calebsmitty said:
Damn. Thats crazy. Was that from the book? Under the strength accumulation I was supposed to eat 800-900g PWO which for me would be about 1.5-2 hrs before bed. Just was too much for me. CBL works best when you can train from about 3-6 in the afternoon. So you have time to get the carbs in.
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It's called skiploading...
 
REALLY good stuff in here guys, learning alot

im thinkin of looking more into CBL but my workout times seem to always vary, another reason i like IF
 
mkretz said:
REALLY good stuff in here guys, learning alot

im thinkin of looking more into CBL but my workout times seem to always vary, another reason i like IF
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Still not sure if IF is that best thing for you but for now it seems to be what you prefer.

PalmFist said:
Martin Berkham is def not my idea of the ideal physique. Kai Greene is my idea of THE ideal physique
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Don't know who those dudes are but I don't follow pro bodybuilding at all. I think they look ridiculous. I liked the Frank Zane type physique back in the day. I still would have to say that is my idea of a good physique.
 
Ok Martin Berkham is the Lean Gains dude. That is a good physique no doubt. I would prefer a tad more of a full look but that's basically the ideal for me.
 
Burn day, I made protein balls last night and had to taste test them so had one....

[TABLE="class: table0"]
[TR="class: meal_header"]
[TD="class: first alt"]Meal 1 (Around noon)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first alt"] Invalid Link Removed [/TD]
[TD]200[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD="class: delete"] Invalid Link Removed [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first alt"] Invalid Link Removed [/TD]
[TD]69[/TD]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD="class: delete"] Invalid Link Removed [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first alt"] Invalid Link Removed [/TD]
[TD]280[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]64[/TD]
[TD="class: delete"] Invalid Link Removed [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: bottom"]
[TD="class: first alt"] [/TD]
[TD]549[/TD]
[TD]28[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]65[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: meal_header"]
[TD="class: first alt"]Meal 2 (Between 5 and 7 pm)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first alt"] Invalid Link Removed [/TD]
[TD]200[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD="class: delete"] Invalid Link Removed [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first alt"] Invalid Link Removed [/TD]
[TD]480[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]96[/TD]
[TD="class: delete"] Invalid Link Removed [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first alt"] Invalid Link Removed [/TD]
[TD]204[/TD]
[TD]52[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD="class: delete"] Invalid Link Removed [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first alt"] Invalid Link Removed [/TD]
[TD]146[/TD]
[TD]35[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD="class: delete"] Invalid Link Removed [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: first alt"] Invalid Link Removed [/TD]
[TD]200[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD="class: delete"] Invalid Link Removed [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: bottom"]
[TD="class: first alt"] [/TD]
[TD]1,230[/TD]
[TD]104[/TD]
[TD]23[/TD]
[TD]113[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: spacer"]
[TD="class: first, colspan: 4"][/TD]
[TD="class: empty"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: total"]
[TD="class: first"]Totals[/TD]
[TD]1,779[/TD]
[TD]132[/TD]
[TD]27[/TD]
[TD]178[/TD]
[TD="class: empty"][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

My balls don't contain rice crisps by the way, it's the closest to the macro content of mine I could find in the database.
 
DreamWeaver said:
Ok Martin Berkham is the Lean Gains dude. That is a good physique no doubt. I would prefer a tad more of a full look but that's basically the ideal for me.
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Yup that's the guy. Much too lean in my perspective. To each their own though. Realistically I'd be extremely happy to float around 220-230 within five years without having to go the insulin and aas route. I like Kai because his legs are giganterous and I'm really loving my leg workouts right now. Plus his work ethic and life morals are very motivating. Zane had great physique as well.
 
PalmFist said:
Yup that's the guy. Much too lean in my perspective. To each their own though. Realistically I'd be extremely happy to float around 220-230 within five years without having to go the insulin and aas route. I like Kai because his legs are giganterous and I'm really loving my leg workouts right now. Plus his work ethic and life morals are very motivating. Zane had great physique as well.
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The bodybuilders of today are ridiculously big. The sport has lost all sense of itself. You know Frank Zane was 200 lbs when he won the Olympia. 205 to 215 for me and no more is desirable and I'm close to 6 feet and I will still look huge if he quality is there. There is so much you can do size wise without losing your athleticism.
 
DreamWeaver said:
The bodybuilders of today are ridiculously big. The sport has lost all sense of itself. You know Frank Zane was 200 lbs when he won the Olympia. 205 to 215 for me and no more is desirable and I'm close to 6 feet and I will still look huge if he quality is there. There is so much you can do size wise without losing your athleticism.
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as long as you can squat to pick up something or bend over an tie your shoes, thats the limit lol...

DW, you are an inspiration to many older and young fella like me... continue the shredding and building bruv
 
runner_79 said:
as long as you can squat to pick up something or bend over an tie your shoes, thats the limit lol...

DW, you are an inspiration to many older and young fella like me... continue the shredding and building bruv
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Thanks ....slow and steady. I am going to stay at this as long as I can.
 
DreamWeaver said:
The bodybuilders of today are ridiculously big. The sport has lost all sense of itself. You know Frank Zane was 200 lbs when he won the Olympia. 205 to 215 for me and no more is desirable and I'm close to 6 feet and I will still look huge if he quality is there. There is so much you can do size wise without losing your athleticism.
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It's the insulin and hgh man. Probably responsible for 1/4 of their mass. Although I'm not sure that I agree the sport has lost all sense of itself, it's just adapted to the current climate of professional sports where bigger is better. I will agree with you however about retaining some form of athleticism. That is much more important than being huge as feck.
 
PalmFist said:
It's the insulin and hgh man. Probably responsible for 1/4 of their mass. Although I'm not sure that I agree the sport has lost all sense of itself, it's just adapted to the current climate of professional sports where bigger is better. I will agree with you however about retaining some form of athleticism. That is much more important than being huge as feck.
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It's a fine line.
 
Deads went very smooth with the 20 lb increase for 4 sets of 8
Cleans only 5 lbs up seemed very light, shows my strength was definitely up
Pullups were tough after cleans and deads

I did 7 sets of wide lat pulldowns after, my arms were pretty toasted didn't really feel the lats like I wanted.

I am up to 200.5 which is about a 2.5 lb increase but I am definitely leaner as pics will show tomorrow.
 
mkretz said:
my workout times seem to always vary, another reason i like IF
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:think:

still looking at the wrong things

varying w/o times can be accommodated/incorporated into any plan


PalmFist said:
Kai Greene is my idea of THE ideal physique
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mean greene physique is mean


MrKleen73 said:
If Martin Berkham is your idea of the ideal physique then IF is great, however he even admits he did not gain most of his size on IF he gained it before then then refined it.
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bingo!
 
In for the show! Quite the run you have there DW!
 
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snagencyV2.0 said:
baBOOM!
great shoulder seperation douglas
nice work ya old fugger :cool2:
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Thanks Steve, and I'm just gettin fuggin started... plenty of spring left in this old fuggers step yet...

Oh yah today did 10 k in pretty heavy snow and 40 minutes on the eliptical and 14 wheel of death with was a surprise cuz my core was feeling pretty fried the walk back in the snow was fuggin brutal..

I earned my fuggin Steak tonight and then some...
 
So just like I said leaner and biigger, no adjustments to be made yet based on those pics.
 
DreamWeaver said:
So just like I said leaner and biigger, no adjustments to be made yet based on those pics.
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damn you are a cardio machine, sheesh.
:yikes:

i mean you are a long way out, look perfectly fine at this point..you got this, know what you need to do for awhile.
keep rocking it
 
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