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So in other words, you where the chosen one to run The One, lol 😁
lol...there used to be tons of opportunities to log new products back in the day, and the logging section was really busy. guys used to need to be selective on what they put a app in to log because of the numerous logging opportunities...AM used to be a much more busier place back in the day before social media 'INFLUENCERS' and bloggers became the rage.
 
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lol...there used to be tons of opportunities to log new products back in the day, and the logging section was really busy. guys used to need to be selective on what they put a app in to log because of the numerous logging opportunities...AM used to be a much more busier place back in the day before social media 'INFLUENCERS' and bloggers became the rage.
I guess I'm an old soul then, since I probably spend too much time on AM and don't even know any social media influencers or bloggers 🙂
 
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I guess I'm an old soul then, since I probably spend too much time on AM and don't even know any social media influencers or bloggers 🙂
welcome to my world!!!!
 

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Just picked up 2 bottles of icon one, so I’ll be able to make about a 12 week run of it.
 

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Hey guys, so I wanted to make a little write-up of my thoughts on combined Icon One + Ultra Epi run I am 3 weeks in on. I don't want to make a log, it's more of a summary:

- I've been on dermacrine + Alpha Seven before which gave me negligent gains, though it's understandable as it's a mild compound and it actually started kicking in late when I had only one bottle on my hands. The point I want to make is that I experienced hair thinning and shedding while on it that started almost instantly - few days after first application and I have no predisposition for male pattern baldness (I guess). On Icon One and Ultra Epi no such thing occured and I've been paying close attention. Taking into account dermacrine is essentially built into Icon One I can only identify A7 as a culprit.

Now in terms of effectiveness of the stack (I'm 27, competitive freestyle wrestler, training and diet on point, sleep schedule was mixed due to being white collar criminal as well) - i'll do it on scale 0 - 5, 0 being essentialy no added value and 5 turning you into Hulk himself:

Mass gain 3/5:
I am not sure if it's due to the fullness/hardness of muscle, but I don't think I'm exaggerating by saying I really put on few lbs of muscle already. Works like a charm. Much better than for instance LGD or Rad140. Note that 3 is actually a good score. Attribute this effect mainly to Icon One.

Energy and overall mood 3/5:
Probably that's more due to epiandro, but there's this energy influx after application. I feel "in the zone" for whatever I'm about to do, no anxiety or jitteriness as few users reported. Slight boost to self-confidence as well.

Strength 1/5:
My biggest concern and confusion. Due to new, hard muscle appearing here and there I go to the gym every other day expecting I'll blow the weights out of the water, but actual strength boost was very limited although noticeable. Here things like Rad of LGD vastly outperform this stack. Maybe it's still too early? This being said both substances, especially Ultra Epi are supposed to make you considerably stronger. The little strength gain I noticed (more than I would expect to come naturally that is) was also on completly unrelated lifts - deadlift and .... wait for it... curls. Yeah, my biceps got crazy strong, while bench/squat/military press got no love thus far.

Endurance/Explosiveness 2/5:
While there are no benefits to endurance that I could see I was pleasantly surprised that my explosiveness on vertical jump, 60 meter dash went up slightly after I stalled on those for a long time.

Side Effects 5/5:
Literally none, which is great. Once in a blue moon I feel my elbows being "dry", but it's a very minor change.

Cut 4/5:

Perhaps one of the biggest values. My Eastern European family cooks mounds and heaps of food for Christmas which is a 5 day affair here and afterwards I usually walk away looking like a Hindenburg. No amount of grease and fat could pose any threat to my physique this season.

Overall, satisfied so far. Now, if strength kicked in in the near future it would have been a cherry on top.
 
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Hey guys, so I wanted to make a little write-up of my thoughts on combined Icon One + Ultra Epi run I am 3 weeks in on. I don't want to make a log, it's more of a summary:

- I've been on dermacrine + Alpha Seven before which gave me negligent gains, though it's understandable as it's a mild compound and it actually started kicking in late when I had only one bottle on my hands. The point I want to make is that I experienced hair thinning and shedding while on it that started almost instantly - few days after first application and I have no predisposition for male pattern baldness (I guess). On Icon One and Ultra Epi no such thing occured and I've been paying close attention. Taking into account dermacrine is essentially built into Icon One I can only identify A7 as a culprit.

Now in terms of effectiveness of the stack (I'm 27, competitive freestyle wrestler, training and diet on point, sleep schedule was mixed due to being white collar criminal as well) - i'll do it on scale 0 - 5, 0 being essentialy no added value and 5 turning you into Hulk himself:

Mass gain 3/5:
I am not sure if it's due to the fullness/hardness of muscle, but I don't think I'm exaggerating by saying I really put on few lbs of muscle already. Works like a charm. Much better than for instance LGD or Rad140. Note that 3 is actually a good score. Attribute this effect mainly to Icon One.

Energy and overall mood 3/5:
Probably that's more due to epiandro, but there's this energy influx after application. I feel "in the zone" for whatever I'm about to do, no anxiety or jitteriness as few users reported. Slight boost to self-confidence as well.

Strength 1/5:
My biggest concern and confusion. Due to new, hard muscle appearing here and there I go to the gym every other day expecting I'll blow the weights out of the water, but actual strength boost was very limited although noticeable. Here things like Rad of LGD vastly outperform this stack. Maybe it's still too early? This being said both substances, especially Ultra Epi are supposed to make you considerably stronger. The little strength gain I noticed (more than I would expect to come naturally that is) was also on completly unrelated lifts - deadlift and .... wait for it... curls. Yeah, my biceps got crazy strong, while bench/squat/military press got no love thus far.

Endurance/Explosiveness 2/5:
While there are no benefits to endurance that I could see I was pleasantly surprised that my explosiveness on vertical jump, 60 meter dash went up slightly after I stalled on those for a long time.

Side Effects 5/5:
Literally none, which is great. Once in a blue moon I feel my elbows being "dry", but it's a very minor change.

Cut 4/5:

Perhaps one of the biggest values. My Eastern European family cooks mounds and heaps of food for Christmas which is a 5 day affair here and afterwards I usually walk away looking like a Hindenburg. No amount of grease and fat could pose any threat to my physique this season.

Overall, satisfied so far. Now, if strength kicked in in the near future it would have been a cherry on top.
Great write up 👍

I think it's like you presumed and at week 3 you haven't seen all the benefits of the stack yet. A week or 2 more and all the attributes should be elicited.

Looking forward to reading your final review.
 
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Just picked up 2 bottles of icon one, so I’ll be able to make about a 12 week run of it.
8 weeks is the standard. You could do 10 weeks with 4 pumps a day, but going below that might be underwhelming I assume.
 
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Hey guys, so I wanted to make a little write-up of my thoughts on combined Icon One + Ultra Epi run I am 3 weeks in on. I don't want to make a log, it's more of a summary:

- I've been on dermacrine + Alpha Seven before which gave me negligent gains, though it's understandable as it's a mild compound and it actually started kicking in late when I had only one bottle on my hands. The point I want to make is that I experienced hair thinning and shedding while on it that started almost instantly - few days after first application and I have no predisposition for male pattern baldness (I guess). On Icon One and Ultra Epi no such thing occured and I've been paying close attention. Taking into account dermacrine is essentially built into Icon One I can only identify A7 as a culprit.

Now in terms of effectiveness of the stack (I'm 27, competitive freestyle wrestler, training and diet on point, sleep schedule was mixed due to being white collar criminal as well) - i'll do it on scale 0 - 5, 0 being essentialy no added value and 5 turning you into Hulk himself:

Mass gain 3/5:
I am not sure if it's due to the fullness/hardness of muscle, but I don't think I'm exaggerating by saying I really put on few lbs of muscle already. Works like a charm. Much better than for instance LGD or Rad140. Note that 3 is actually a good score. Attribute this effect mainly to Icon One.

Energy and overall mood 3/5:
Probably that's more due to epiandro, but there's this energy influx after application. I feel "in the zone" for whatever I'm about to do, no anxiety or jitteriness as few users reported. Slight boost to self-confidence as well.

Strength 1/5:
My biggest concern and confusion. Due to new, hard muscle appearing here and there I go to the gym every other day expecting I'll blow the weights out of the water, but actual strength boost was very limited although noticeable. Here things like Rad of LGD vastly outperform this stack. Maybe it's still too early? This being said both substances, especially Ultra Epi are supposed to make you considerably stronger. The little strength gain I noticed (more than I would expect to come naturally that is) was also on completly unrelated lifts - deadlift and .... wait for it... curls. Yeah, my biceps got crazy strong, while bench/squat/military press got no love thus far.

Endurance/Explosiveness 2/5:
While there are no benefits to endurance that I could see I was pleasantly surprised that my explosiveness on vertical jump, 60 meter dash went up slightly after I stalled on those for a long time.

Side Effects 5/5:
Literally none, which is great. Once in a blue moon I feel my elbows being "dry", but it's a very minor change.

Cut 4/5:

Perhaps one of the biggest values. My Eastern European family cooks mounds and heaps of food for Christmas which is a 5 day affair here and afterwards I usually walk away looking like a Hindenburg. No amount of grease and fat could pose any threat to my physique this season.

Overall, satisfied so far. Now, if strength kicked in in the near future it would have been a cherry on top.
those are very nice results after only 3 weeks....most people say best results come 5 week in and get better up to the 8 weeks that it is recommended to run icon one. be one the look out for strength gains to become more prevalent in the coming weeks.

thanks for letting us know how it's been treating you, with the nice results you have had already i look for very nice gainz in your furture.
 
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8 weeks is the standard. You could do 10 weeks with 4 pumps a day, but going below that might be underwhelming I assume.
i totally agree. my weight was right around 180 when i started my last run of icon one and i ran 2 bottles at 5 pumps daily---very, very pleased with how it turned out!!!
 

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8 weeks is the standard. You could do 10 weeks with 4 pumps a day, but going below that might be underwhelming I assume.
im extending a run I already started, had a little over 1 btl to start with. Doing 5 pumps per day.
 
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Great write up

I think it's like you presumed and at week 3 you haven't seen all the benefits of the stack yet. A week or 2 more and all the attributes should be elicited.

Looking forward to reading your final review.
This is what I was thinking. Usually stuff like these hit around week 4-5.
 
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So which product is best for libido boost if Im going to run Icon One? Im 39 yo male and would like to have a little extra mojo if possible. How much will this shut me down and is Dermacrine sustain enough to deal with PCT. Have any of you had any estrogen sides from taking these? Just curious.
 
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So which product is best for libido boost if Im going to run Icon One? Im 39 yo male and would like to have a little extra mojo if possible. How much will this shut me down and is Dermacrine sustain enough to deal with PCT. Have any of you had any estrogen sides from taking these? Just curious.
alpha four hands down---there should be zero estrogen sides-the androsterone included in alpha four acts as a AI....there is 2 of the ingredients of dermacrine included in icon one, don't run dermacrine in pct---for pct sustain alpha is a much better option.

my code THEBIGT saves 20% off at iconic formulations. also works at iron legion.
 
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So which product is best for libido boost if Im going to run Icon One? Im 39 yo male and would like to have a little extra mojo if possible. How much will this shut me down and is Dermacrine sustain enough to deal with PCT. Have any of you had any estrogen sides from taking these? Just curious.
Honestly for 40+ i preferred a DHT based one like Ultra Epi both have great effects on older guys 40+ in every way

Mood
Libido
Metabolism
Muscle

IMHO this is dose dependant I'm use Epiandro in caps and TD with 7 Keto TD

First Thing you will notice is appetite ramps up your metabolism is unleashed (thyroid) horniest as hell etc

Good luck
 
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Honestly for 40+ i preferred a DHT based one like Ultra Epi both have great effects on older guys 40+ in every way

Mood
Libido
Metabolism
Muscle

IMHO this is dose dependant I'm use Epiandro in caps and TD with 7 Keto TD

First Thing you will notice is appetite ramps up your metabolism is unleashed (thyroid) horniest as hell etc

Good luck
ultra epi is dosed very high for a trandermal, i don't think there is another transdermal epi product that is dosed even close to ultra epi!!!

ultra epi is 450mg per dose---compare this to every other transdermal epi product and i think you will find that ultra epi blows then out of the park, hands down!!!
 
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ultra epi is dosed very high for a trandermal, i don't think there is another transdermal epi product that is dosed even close to ultra epi!!!

ultra epi is 450mg per dose---compare this to every other transdermal epi product and i think you will find that ultra epi blows then out of the park, hands down!!!
Yes this is the one I used the BOGO with TD epi has ended?
 
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that promo is still live - coupon code ULTRABOGO

it will end when the current lot of Ultra Epi is sold out - I'd stopped promoting it, as the warehouse was backed up on orders and struggling to keep up.
 
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that promo is still live - coupon code ULTRABOGO

it will end when the current lot of Ultra Epi is sold out - I'd stopped promoting it, as the warehouse was backed up on orders and struggling to keep up.
@delsolrob please save a bottle of ultra eleven and ultra epi for me---will be ordering on the 14th!!!
 
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@delsolrob please save a bottle of ultra eleven and ultra epi for me---will be ordering on the 14th!!!
Wish I could use epi. Always seems to give me jaw pain. No idea why.
 
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Wish I could use epi. Always seems to give me jaw pain. No idea why.
that is interesting...i've never heard anyone report that effect before. epi always treats me well, i love the alpha stano.
 
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that is interesting...i've never heard anyone report that effect before. epi always treats me well, i love the alpha stano.
I get this "sides" when used Cytomel (T3) or any supplement that ramps up Thyroid

but was years way back
 
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I get this "sides" when used Cytomel (T3) or any supplement that ramps up Thyroid

but was years way back
i saw a study that said androsterone improves lipids and mimics thyroid hormone but never heard of epi having that effect...very interesting.
 

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Hey Everyone,

I'm really keen to start a solo IF run for recomping but I'm struggling as to what would he best.

The sales pitch seems to hint that ultra hard is best for this, but I've seen posts on here which point towards Icon One.

Would be interested in everyone's thoughts/experience.

Thnx guys.
 
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Hey Everyone,

I'm really keen to start a solo IF run for recomping but I'm struggling as to what would he best.

The sales pitch seems to hint that ultra hard is best for this, but I've seen posts on here which point towards Icon One.

Would be interested in everyone's thoughts/experience.

Thnx guys.
Well Icon 1 is definietly the strongest. Wether I would be doing a lean bulk or a recomp I would choose Icon 1 (if restricted on one product). But if not restricted on one product, for the recomp you're planning, I'd say the Icon 1 + Ultra Hard would be really great. Second best would be (again just imo) Icon 1 + Alpha 4.
 
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Well Icon 1 is definietly the strongest. Wether I would be doing a lean bulk or a recomp I would choose Icon 1 (if restricted on one product). But if not restricted on one product, for the recomp you're planning, I'd say the Icon 1 + Ultra Hard would be really great. Second best would be (again just imo) Icon 1 + Alpha 4.
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Amen to that....

Thanks for the insight guys...always interested in other people's appraoh/insight.

2 more weeks and then it's time to light it up!!

was looking at prices ( in UK) to get any I.F gear here, but with shipping and taxes etc its about the same as buying local.

Thnx everyone.
 
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Amen to that....

Thanks for the insight guys...always interested in other people's appraoh/insight.

2 more weeks and then it's time to light it up!!

was looking at prices ( in UK) to get any I.F gear here, but with shipping and taxes etc its about the same as buying local.

Thnx everyone.
So you're in the UK? I can recommend Powermyself. Great shop with decent prices. What is your pct looking like, if you don't mind me asking? I can recommend adding Sustain Alpha to your serm pct. It's great for libido and mood.
 
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Well Icon 1 is definietly the strongest. Wether I would be doing a lean bulk or a recomp I would choose Icon 1 (if restricted on one product). But if not restricted on one product, for the recomp you're planning, I'd say the Icon 1 + Ultra Hard would be really great. Second best would be (again just imo) Icon 1 + Alpha 4.
icon 1 and ultra hard would be great, but imo icon 1 and alpha four would be even better...mostly for the libido and feel good effect!!!
 

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So you're in the UK? I can recommend Powermyself. Great shop with decent prices. What is your pct looking like, if you don't mind me asking? I can recommend adding Sustain Alpha to your serm pct. It's great for libido and mood.
I haven't quite decided on that yet.. wasgping down the Nolva route and yes, Sustain Alpha was going to be part of it. I was going to spend a bit more time ofntje next week reading up on what others recommend as well before I press the button.
So you're in the UK? I can recommend Powermyself. Great shop with decent prices. What is your pct looking like, if you don't mind me asking? I can recommend adding Sustain Alpha to your serm pct. It's great for libido and mood.
Ive used Powermyself a few times now.. seem pretty reliable. I've had to use Predator on occasion, but i try not to.. normally it's a timing thing if I use them.I haven't quite decided on pct yet.. was thinking of going down the Nolva route and yes, Sustain Alpha was going to be part of it. I was going to spend a bit more time over the next week reading up on what others recommend as well before I press the button.
 
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thank you @KvanH for supporting the brand, much appreciated!!!
 
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thank you @KvanH for supporting the brand, much appreciated!!!
Thank you and Rob and Chef for introducing me to some great products through this board! Was not familiar with any of the brands in the pic or transdermals in general before joining this board = )
 
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Need help here the pump of the ultra epi stuck every time so any idea to fix it I already used my 4 bottles of the 7Keto TD and never has this issue

Still have 3 more bottles


I'm planning pick 4 bottles more but.....


@thebigt @delsolrob @cheftepesh1
 
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Need help here the pump of the ultra epi stuck every time so any idea to fix it I already used my 4 bottles of the 7Keto TD and never has this issue

Still have 3 more bottles


I'm planning pick 4 bottles more but.....


@thebigt @delsolrob @cheftepesh1
@delsolrob
 
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Need help here the pump of the ultra epi stuck every time so any idea to fix it I already used my 4 bottles of the 7Keto TD and never has this issue

Still have 3 more bottles


I'm planning pick 4 bottles more but.....


@thebigt @delsolrob @cheftepesh1
there's a cap on the bottom of the bottle with the lot code on it - if you remove the cap, it'll give you access to apply some pressure on the piston - using your finger to apply some pressure to the piston while pumping the bottle...the additional pressure may help clear any material that may have become clocked in the pump assembly.
 
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there's a cap on the bottom of the bottle with the lot code on it - if you remove the cap, it'll give you access to apply some pressure on the piston - using your finger to apply some pressure to the piston while pumping the bottle...the additional pressure may help clear any material that may have become clocked in the pump assembly.
very good info here!!!
 
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Need help here the pump of the ultra epi stuck every time so any idea to fix it I already used my 4 bottles of the 7Keto TD and never has this issue

Still have 3 more bottles


I'm planning pick 4 bottles more but.....


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Could be some gunk in the tube maybe hit it with a little warm water. This worked for me.


If you do need more bottles use code chef for a 20% discount.
 
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Could be some gunk in the tube maybe hit it with a little warm water. This worked for me.


If you do need more bottles use code chef for a 20% discount.
Look i will not dip in warm water every morning man plus why I need more bottles? this will happen again old, new, bottles

How can open this without cut it?
 
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Look i will not dip in warm water every morning man plus why I need more bottles? this will happen again old, new, bottles

How can open this without cut it?
I think he meant for you to try it ones to clear what ever might be blocking the 'exit'. If it clears, it should work properly from there on out. Unless it get's clocked again before you finish the tube.

Did you try the delsorob's tip?
 
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I think he meant for you to try it ones to clear what ever might be blocking the 'exit'. If it clears, it should work properly from there on out. Unless it get's clocked again before you finish the tube.

Did you try the delsorob's tip?
This is exactly what I meant. I’ve used many of these bottles and had that issue once and it happened something was in the way. Rob gave his idea as well. Both can work if he wants to try them.
 
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I think he meant for you to try it ones to clear what ever might be blocking the 'exit'. If it clears, it should work properly from there on out. Unless it get's clocked again before you finish the tube.

Did you try the delsorob's tip?
Well it's not clogged exactly but when you press pump stay like pushed then I need pull up but if try to press again stay stuck

I looking my others empty bottles and still working but can't find the way to open without broke
 
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Well it's not clogged exactly but when you press pump stay like pushed then I need pull up but if try to press again stay stuck

I looking my others empty bottles and still working but can't find the way to open without broke
I see. I think that happened to me a few times with Sustain Alpha. It didn't get stuck, but was a bit slow to get up. That's actually pretty common thing with any kind of lotion with pump unit, wether it's transdermal PH or shower gel or what ever.

If you try what Rob said and push the piston from the bottom, does the pushbutton jump up?
 
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Normal:
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Cap removed and piston available for push:
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I was able to remove the cap with my fingernails. Basic kitchen knife should work if you don't have as girly fingernails as me, lol 😄

If you have emptied the tube to some degree, then you need something to reach the piston inside of course. The same kitchen knife or what ever stick should do the trick.
 
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