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How did it go? What kind of results you got? Did you log it here on AM?
I should have logged it.
Stacked Icon One and UH, zero sides except week 3-4.5 the epi gave me this crazy amount of energy where I just needed to do somthig, but that calmed down. I went for a recomp and styed just at 170 for 6-weeks, but accidentally went to 175 the last 2-weeks. Lost a lot of fat, packed on a lot of muscle. Everyone that sees me keeps saying I got jacked but I am basically the same weight. Strength went up a good amount, but the recomp was just incredible. Back is poppin like never before. I am 100% going to run this stack or run Icon One and seven in the future. Im sold on these gels. Def the best andros with no sides ive had. Seems like IF hit a good balance to acheve gains and not have a made amount of issues. Whatever it is, I responded very well to the product.

Maybe IF will sponger me to do a log in a couple months :)
 
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I should have logged it.
Stacked Icon One and UH, zero sides except week 3-4.5 the epi gave me this crazy amount of energy where I just needed to do somthig, but that calmed down. I went for a recomp and styed just at 170 for 6-weeks, but accidentally went to 175 the last 2-weeks. Lost a lot of fat, packed on a lot of muscle. Everyone that sees me keeps saying I got jacked but I am basically the same weight. Strength went up a good amount, but the recomp was just incredible. Back is poppin like never before. I am 100% going to run this stack or run Icon One and seven in the future. Im sold on these gels. Def the best andros with no sides ive had. Seems like IF hit a good balance to acheve gains and not have a made amount of issues. Whatever it is, I responded very well to the product.

Maybe IF will sponger me to do a log in a couple months :)
That sounds awesome! Pretty much what I would hope to achieve on cycle. I'm going to run 1-andro + 4-andro td's in the spring and if like the run I'm going to add UH to it the next time. I hope I can find available skin for all those td's :D This black series is looking pretty great!
 
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black series is real deal!!!
 
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Ultra ELEVEN?
i just saw this on iconic site...have no clue what it is, but i bet it goes fast-be on the lookout!!!

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Guys, I'll be making a formal post about this - but 11-keto is dead...one of the components required to make it has gone the way of the dinosaurs and it doesn't seem like it's possible to have more made.

At this time, it's likely we have all the 11-keto material currently left in the world. So, I thought, we could do a run of an 11-keto gel with an aggressive dose and send it off with a bang. This will be an extremely limited release, and if I haven't made it clear...once these are gone, it's GONE!

I will be working to see if we can work around this issue, but for the foreseeable future, this will be the last of the 11-keto.
 
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Guys, I'll be making a formal post about this - but 11-keto is dead...one of the components required to make it has gone the way of the dinosaurs and it doesn't seem like it's possible to have more made.

At this time, it's likely we have all the 11-keto material currently left in the world. So, I thought, we could do a run of an 11-keto gel with an aggressive dose and send it off with a bang. This will be an extremely limited release, and if I haven't made it clear...once these are gone, it's GONE!

I will be working to see if we can work around this issue, but for the foreseeable future, this will be the last of the 11-keto.
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Guys, I'll be making a formal post about this - but 11-keto is dead...one of the components required to make it has gone the way of the dinosaurs and it doesn't seem like it's possible to have more made.
You should keep me in the loop more often. I cant keep up with our own drops.

Anyway; This have anything to do with the steroid crackdown/bans in China or a precursor material has litterally gone extinct?
 
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Guys, I'll be making a formal post about this - but 11-keto is dead...one of the components required to make it has gone the way of the dinosaurs and it doesn't seem like it's possible to have more made.

At this time, it's likely we have all the 11-keto material currently left in the world. So, I thought, we could do a run of an 11-keto gel with an aggressive dose and send it off with a bang. This will be an extremely limited release, and if I haven't made it clear...once these are gone, it's GONE!

I will be working to see if we can work around this issue, but for the foreseeable future, this will be the last of the 11-keto.
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you guys better be on the lookout-this will go super fast!!!!
 

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Not sure if it's been asked but any chance you will make 3-AD in the black series
 

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Hey guys,

So to get it out I have to tell you not a success story here. I am coming off of a 4 week Alpha Seven + Dermacrine run. You can see my previous comments and questions in this thread around the date of my purchase. To be honest ASeven did nothing for me. Don't want to come off as a jerk to Iconic Formulations - dermacrine is one of my favourite supplements of all time for alleviating lethargy problems when running compounds with no test base. I know that stuff I got wasn't bunk as it had all the right characteristic (silvery crystalline residue on skin) and actually strengthened my lats (they are generally most sensitive of my muscle groups to any hormonal meddling and blow up as soon as i'm on PHs/Sarms), but save for them I had 0 effects (I'm in EU so I ordered through UK third party, but a very solid store). No strength gain at all. No effects on cutting/recomping. A little hardening effect in the first week which has disappeared just as fast as it appeared.

I was applying 4.5 pumps a day + 3 dermacrine pumps to lower neck, traps, shoulders and upper chest. I was wondering if maybe absorption wasn't strong enough as I applied dermacrine maybe 4 minutes after ASeven, but it doesn't make any sense. I am 27, freestyle wrestler - goal was to get stronger while reducing a tiny bit of weight. Now I'm pretty frustrated, care to weigh in guys? Also, please recommend me something out of your arsenal that I can run for next 4 weeks with actual effects I was looking for! Thanks guys
 
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Hey guys,

So to get it out I have to tell you not a success story here. I am coming off of a 4 week Alpha Seven + Dermacrine run. You can see my previous comments and questions in this thread around the date of my purchase. To be honest ASeven did nothing for me. Don't want to come off as a jerk to Iconic Formulations - dermacrine is one of my favourite supplements of all time for alleviating lethargy problems when running compounds with no test base. I know that stuff I got wasn't bunk as it had all the right characteristic (silvery crystalline residue on skin) and actually strengthened my lats (they are generally most sensitive of my muscle groups to any hormonal meddling and blow up as soon as i'm on PHs/Sarms), but save for them I had 0 effects (I'm in EU so I ordered through UK third party, but a very solid store). No strength gain at all. No effects on cutting/recomping. A little hardening effect in the first week which has disappeared just as fast as it appeared.

I was applying 4.5 pumps a day + 3 dermacrine pumps to lower neck, traps, shoulders and upper chest. I was wondering if maybe absorption wasn't strong enough as I applied dermacrine maybe 4 minutes after ASeven, but it doesn't make any sense. I am 27, freestyle wrestler - goal was to get stronger while reducing a tiny bit of weight. Now I'm pretty frustrated, care to weigh in guys? Also, please recommend me something out of your arsenal that I can run for next 4 weeks with actual effects I was looking for! Thanks guys
just a question, were you applying dermacrine over top of alpha seven?

sorry you didn't get effect you were looking for, if looking for recomp you might try ultra hard, loggers have reported very nice results!!!
 

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just a question, were you applying dermacrine over top of alpha seven?

sorry you didn't get effect you were looking for, if looking for recomp you might try ultra hard, loggers have reported very nice results!!!
Yeah I actually looked over the thread and one of your replies from before suggested using a moisturizer to rub in the A7 residue so I thought dermacrine might produce similar effect. Might go with ultra hard or icon one
 
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Yeah I actually looked over the thread and one of your replies from before suggested using a moisturizer to rub in the A7 residue so I thought dermacrine might produce similar effect. Might go with ultra hard or icon one
again, sorry for your lack of satisfaction with A7...i wonder if applying dermacrine over the A7 might have had something to do with this?

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Yeah I actually looked over the thread and one of your replies from before suggested using a moisturizer to rub in the A7 residue so I thought dermacrine might produce similar effect. Might go with ultra hard or icon one
I was actually looking into running icon one with alpha 7 coming out of winter since 7 is a cutter. Normally for me the magic begins to happen around the third week of a run, so I always do 8 weeks total. I wonder if you just needed a second bottle?

For the results you are looking for, I think a solo run of icon one would have provided it. I finished up an icon one and ultra hard stack about two weeks ago. Had great results and I'm still at the same strength and look.
 
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I was actually looking into running icon one with alpha 7 coming out of winter since 7 is a cutter. Normally for me the magic begins to happen around the third week of a run, so I always do 8 weeks total. I wonder if you just needed a second bottle?

For the results you are looking for, I think a solo run of icon one would have provided it. I finished up an icon one and ultra hard stack about two weeks ago. Had great results and I'm still at the same strength and look.
it's great when you can maintain results after cycle-eh?
 
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Hey guys,

So to get it out I have to tell you not a success story here. I am coming off of a 4 week Alpha Seven + Dermacrine run. You can see my previous comments and questions in this thread around the date of my purchase. To be honest ASeven did nothing for me. Don't want to come off as a jerk to Iconic Formulations - dermacrine is one of my favourite supplements of all time for alleviating lethargy problems when running compounds with no test base. I know that stuff I got wasn't bunk as it had all the right characteristic (silvery crystalline residue on skin) and actually strengthened my lats (they are generally most sensitive of my muscle groups to any hormonal meddling and blow up as soon as i'm on PHs/Sarms), but save for them I had 0 effects (I'm in EU so I ordered through UK third party, but a very solid store). No strength gain at all. No effects on cutting/recomping. A little hardening effect in the first week which has disappeared just as fast as it appeared.

I was applying 4.5 pumps a day + 3 dermacrine pumps to lower neck, traps, shoulders and upper chest. I was wondering if maybe absorption wasn't strong enough as I applied dermacrine maybe 4 minutes after ASeven, but it doesn't make any sense. I am 27, freestyle wrestler - goal was to get stronger while reducing a tiny bit of weight. Now I'm pretty frustrated, care to weigh in guys? Also, please recommend me something out of your arsenal that I can run for next 4 weeks with actual effects I was looking for! Thanks guys
I think 4 weeks is just a bit short time period for androsterone, don't know about 7-keto. A7 is also quite subtle product in a positive way and in a negative way if expectations are not realistic (by looking at the ingridient profile, I have not tried it). Your freestyle wrestling training sets a really demanding setting for gym room improvement and together with lifting to your recovery and something like A7 just might not be strong enough. When i played basketball and we had 4-5 training sessoins + a game / week, improving in the gym was basically impossible for me (as a natty).

I think Icon 1 would be much better suited for your goals and situation especially since you already like Dermacrine so much. Or Ultra Epi even cause' it's so highly dosed, might even try 6 pumps. A7 is the mildest product in the black series (for positive&negative)

Just my thoughts..
 

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I think 4 weeks is just a bit short time period for androsterone, don't know about 7-keto. A7 is also quite subtle product in a positive way and in a negative way if expectations are not realistic (by looking at the ingridient profile, I have not tried it). Your freestyle wrestling training sets a really demanding setting for gym room improvement and together with lifting to your recovery and something like A7 just might not be strong enough. When i played basketball and we had 4-5 training sessoins + a game / week, improving in the gym was basically impossible for me (as a natty).

I think Icon 1 would be much better suited for your goals and situation especially since you already like Dermacrine so much. Or Ultra Epi even cause' it's so highly dosed, might even try 6 pumps. A7 is the mildest product in the black series (for positive&negative)

Just my thoughts..
Thank you all for comments. I thought of doing Icon One or Ultra hard since I'm scared epiandro dosage in ultra epi is going to fry my hair. Regarding your comment, I know what you mean I barely have time to fit in 3 weight room sessions in a week because of the practice/sparrings etc.
 
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just a headsup, all products are 30% off at iconicformulations.com
 
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I think 4 weeks is just a bit short time period for androsterone, don't know about 7-keto. A7 is also quite subtle product in a positive way and in a negative way if expectations are not realistic (by looking at the ingridient profile, I have not tried it). Your freestyle wrestling training sets a really demanding setting for gym room improvement and together with lifting to your recovery and something like A7 just might not be strong enough. When i played basketball and we had 4-5 training sessoins + a game / week, improving in the gym was basically impossible for me (as a natty).

I think Icon 1 would be much better suited for your goals and situation especially since you already like Dermacrine so much. Or Ultra Epi even cause' it's so highly dosed, might even try 6 pumps. A7 is the mildest product in the black series (for positive&negative)

Just my thoughts..
I've been on Alpha 7 since August and just bought another bottle. I like it for the thermogenic effect. Not worried about running this for too long.
 
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When will Ultra Eleven be live?
Looks like the labels should be here at the end of next week, or early the following week. Will open up for presale when I have tracking on the labels.
 

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Looks like the labels should be here at the end of next week, or early the following week. Will open up for presale when I have tracking on the labels.
Safe to assume this won’t overlap with the sale?
 

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Looks like the labels should be here at the end of next week, or early the following week. Will open up for presale when I have tracking on the labels.
What's in it? There's no description on your website
 
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You can expect such a coveted and limited release product (and possibly the last of it's kind) would be exempt from most offers.

Again, reminder - the base material required to make 11-keto is no longer legal in China and the production of 11-keto will not be feasible going forward..or anytime soon. As far as I'm aware, we have the last of the 11-keto available in the world.
 
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You can expect such a coveted and limited release product (and possibly the last of it's kind) would be exempt from most offers.

Again, reminder - the base material required to make 11-keto is no longer legal in China and the production of 11-keto will not be feasible going forward..or anytime soon. As far as I'm aware, we have the last of the 11-keto available in the world.
hopefully there is still some left at middle of month!!!
 

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Any reason not to run Alpha Seven along side Sustain Alpha?
 

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How long do you recommend using Sustain Alpha before taking time off?
 
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Sustain Alpha is amazing for libido!
 

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Yes it is! Actually kind of annoying but only cause my wife can’t keep up. We need you to develop a like product for females.
 
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Yes it is! Actually kind of annoying but only cause my wife can’t keep up. We need you to develop a like product for females.
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Guys, quick question regarding PCT after short - 4 week cut on Alpha Seven (by the way I wanted to withdraw most of my previous criticism.... it just kicked in very late). I am not sure if PCT with SERM is needed, but if I was to run Nolva for it could I cut it short? Let's say 2-3 weeks, not sure if such mild compound warrants full 4 weeks.
 
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Guys, quick question regarding PCT after short - 4 week cut on Alpha Seven (by the way I wanted to withdraw most of my previous criticism.... it just kicked in very late). I am not sure if PCT with SERM is needed, but if I was to run Nolva for it could I cut it short? Let's say 2-3 weeks, not sure if such mild compound warrants full 4 weeks.
if i was going to use a serm i would go all in or not at all....glad alpha seven kicked in 4 you, i'm a huge fan of androsterone!!!
 

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if i was going to use a serm i would go all in or not at all....glad alpha seven kicked in 4 you, i'm a huge fan of androsterone!!!
What's the alternative? Just walking it off with Sustain Alpha or some oct PCT?
 
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What's the alternative? Just walking it off with Sustain Alpha or some oct PCT?
there is a otc pct on iconic website, you might try that. for 1 month on alpha seven i think otc pct will suffice.
 

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Thanks. Now, does any rep know if Iconic Formulations has third party vendors that carry your products in UK/EU? Don't want my US package snatched by customs
 

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