Iconic Black Series Q&A

Ah okay. Toco9 and Endoamp Max are staples for me amyway, but I was just curious as there's a lot of people saying Clomid/Nolva needed for Icon One and Ultra Hard (pretty much all the Black Series, to be fair),so thanks for clearing that confusion up.
 
Malbranque said:
Okay, I'm confused now.
So basically Ultra Hard and Icon One only need Sustain Alpha or an OTC PCT?
I thought something stronger was needed?
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IMO a mild/moderate PH cycle is fine for an OTC PCT, anything more would require a SERM. There is going to be a lot of differt opinions on this topic. I respect the guys that say alays use a serm, but imo serms or RC serms are haphazardly used without bloods to prove they are needed.
 
delsolrob said:
Also, please remember to leave reviews for these on the site...this is paramount for our success (and being able to continue offering new products). I can't believe we haven't seen a review on Ultra Hard yet given the immediate popularity of Alpha Seven, we only have a handful of reviews so far.
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I could rave about the goals I've accomplished while on alpha 4 and sustain alpha.. was just a part of my 8week cycle but an important part
 
Dcoopair said:
I could rave about the goals I've accomplished while on alpha 4 and sustain alpha.. was just a part of my 8week cycle but an important part
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That’s great that you got such great effects.
 
Been using up my Alpha-7 beta's. Liking it so far. Just bought Ultra-Hard from DPS. Planning on doing Ultra-Hard in the AM and Alpha-7 in the PM.
 
I have two bottles of Alpha Seven here and am going to run in about a month's time.
Any point in adding Dermacrine or Virtus to the Alpha Seven or run solo?
And following the Alpha Seven run, Sustain Alpha, K1ngs Blood and Rebirth for PCT should suffice? Or just Sustain and Clomid?
 
Malbranque said:
I have two bottles of Alpha Seven here and am going to run in about a month's time.
Any point in adding Dermacrine or Virtus to the Alpha Seven or run solo?
And following the Alpha Seven run, Sustain Alpha, K1ngs Blood and Rebirth for PCT should suffice? Or just Sustain and Clomid?
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200mg of Androsterone is not super suppressive. I ran it at a much higher dose a couple years back and the results were good, not great. It is more of a cutter and helped with endurance/recover more then body comp from what I recall. Its just not that anabolic, nothing like andro 1 IMO clomid is not needed for A7.

I am personally stacking icon one and ultra hard since UH acts as an additnal test base, where A7 is mildly suppresive. However, since you already have A7 I would stack Seven with Icon One, then run all three of your OTC pct.... Sustan Alpha & rebirth together and on the 3rd week begin K1ngs Blood as a bridge.

If you stack and decide to run clomid dont bother with the otc, that would just be a waste of $$ unless you began it at the end of your clomid run. Just my two cents, not medical advice, reserch it. I have read a number of the IF reps post and would say most are in line with this advice.
 
My USPS app says I've got something coming soon from Melrose Park, IL. Anyone know if this is where my order would ship from?
 
Hi guys... just started on Alpha7, doing 4 pumps in the am after shower... really excited (only the second day)

Just noticed we have a couple of very big family occasions coming up and that would entail lots of booze... how frowned upon is it to have drinks while on this? Is there like a limit, or is it a no go?

Also, I did notice some "sparkles" left on the skin after applying, took the recommendation of following it up with a moisturizer. Any moisturizers I should avoid or anything works

Thanks a million
 
alfeer said:
Hi guys... just started on Alpha7, doing 4 pumps in the am after shower... really excited (only the second day)

Just noticed we have a couple of very big family occasions coming up and that would entail lots of booze... how frowned upon is it to have drinks while on this? Is there like a limit, or is it a no go?

Also, I did notice some "sparkles" left on the skin after applying, took the recommendation of following it up with a moisturizer. Any moisturizers I should avoid or anything works

Thanks a million
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You know 5 pumps is the dosage right? Also if I have a little leftover sheen on my skin, I use hand sanitizer over the area after the product has dried. That should help push the rest of the A7 into your skin. Later on say after I shower at night, I use a lotion with coconut oil in it. A7 does not effect your liver so having a few drinks will not be a big deal. Just drink plenty of water because I think androsterone dries you out some.
 
JKVol said:
You know 5 pumps is the dosage right? Also if I have a little leftover sheen on my skin, I use hand sanitizer over the area after the product has dried. That should help push the rest of the A7 into your skin. Later on say after I shower at night, I use a lotion with coconut oil in it. A7 does not effect your liver so having a few drinks will not be a big deal. Just drink plenty of water because I think androsterone dries you out some.
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hand sanitizer about 5 minutes after applying definately pushes it into skin, my guess is that it increases absorption.
 
latissimus20 said:
Best option for a recomp/very lean bulk? I’m thinking ultra hard or alpha 7, but leaning towards ultra hard.
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either or, imo...if going for all out cut i recommend alpha seven/invictus.
 
JKVol said:
You know 5 pumps is the dosage right? Also if I have a little leftover sheen on my skin, I use hand sanitizer over the area after the product has dried. That should help push the rest of the A7 into your skin. Later on say after I shower at night, I use a lotion with coconut oil in it. A7 does not effect your liver so having a few drinks will not be a big deal. Just drink plenty of water because I think androsterone dries you out some.
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Thanks for the info... I will up the dose (on the label says 4-5) so went with the lower. 4th day in and feeling gr8. Recovering from massive leg day ;) will keep u guys posted.

One thing to report is libido... thru the roof
 
alfeer said:
Thanks for the info... I will up the dose (on the label says 4-5) so went with the lower. 4th day in and feeling gr8. Recovering from massive leg day ;) will keep u guys posted.

One thing to report is libido... thru the roof
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i'm exactly 1 week from 62, love the libido boost!!!
 
JKVol said:
You know 5 pumps is the dosage right? Also if I have a little leftover sheen on my skin, I use hand sanitizer over the area after the product has dried. That should help push the rest of the A7 into your skin. Later on say after I shower at night, I use a lotion with coconut oil in it. A7 does not effect your liver so having a few drinks will not be a big deal. Just drink plenty of water because I think androsterone dries you out some.
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So in essence A7 doesn't get metabolised/processed in the liver (not a doctor so excuse the terminologies :) ) ... does anyone have any good links to read more on this?
 
alfeer said:
So in essence A7 doesn't get metabolised/processed in the liver (not a doctor so excuse the terminologies :) ) ... does anyone have any good links to read more on this?
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everything is processed through the liver, but it's not methylated and is generally considered not to be liver toxic. Certain steroids, like superdrol, M1T, etc were methylated to make them orally bioavailable, but this came at the cost of being quite toxic to the liver. Androsterone, epiandrosterone, 1-dhea, 4-dhea, etc are not methylated steroids and are much less taxing on the liver/etc.
 
delsolrob said:
everything is processed through the liver, but it's not methylated and is generally considered not to be liver toxic. Certain steroids, like superdrol, M1T, etc were methylated to make them orally bioavailable, but this came at the cost of being quite toxic to the liver. Androsterone, epiandrosterone, 1-dhea, 4-dhea, etc are not methylated steroids and are much less taxing on the liver/etc.
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^^^ what he said
 
after experimenting with ultra hard and alpha 7 I’m going to run one at a time at half Dosage with trt for long periods of time. Really goes well with trt and has replaced proviron for me. I personally do better running dht type hormones alongs side trt so I’m pretty happy with these transdermals being available.
 
Any thoughts about bringing back the old AndroEnhance from Primordial? 11-KT with 4-DHEA. Or something similar?
 
Pl4typu5 said:
after experimenting with ultra hard and alpha 7 I’m going to run one at a time at half Dosage with trt for long periods of time. Really goes well with trt and has replaced proviron for me. I personally do better running dht type hormones alongs side trt so I’m pretty happy with these transdermals being available.
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very nice...aplha four also compliments trt really well, imo.
 
i consider all of the black series to be lotion rather than gel. and very mild on skin!!!
 
BigGame84 said:
What would be the best way to stack since instructions say product absorbs over 24 hour period?
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the lotions in black series is very, very mild on skin so using same sites isn't a issue...a good place to start is alpha four on neck/shoulders/traps, and icon one on inner arms and chest.

other areas that can be used are feet/back of knees and forearms although the 1st areas i mentioned are most effective, imo.
 
BigGame84 said:
What would be the best way to stack since instructions say product absorbs over 24 hour period?
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I'm on the smaller side so five pumps covers my whole body: chest, arms, traps, upper back, inner thighs, behind the knees, tops of feet.

If I planned to use both, I would go with twice a day applications. 3 pumps A4 + 2 pumps I1 in the A.M. 2 pumps A4 + 3 pumps I1 in the P.M.

8-12 hours between applications should do. I wouldn't dose to close to bed. Neuro effects could possibly make sleep harder. Always shower between Applications when possible.
 
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My run of 1 and ultra hard is going great. Week 4 and energy and strength JUMPED like crazy. Only thing with the gels is I work out outside, so that 5 hr window of not getting wet is a challenge. Also, I tend to put on icon one, then wait about 10min and apply Ultra Hard. Not 100% sure if this is the best approach?

Ive applied it at night a couple times and didnt notice too much of an issue with sleep.
 
Ape McGrapes said:
I'm on the smaller side so five pumps covers my whole body: chest, arms, traps, upper back, inner thighs, behind the knees, tops of feet.

If I planned to use both, I would go with twice a day applications. 3 pumps A4 + 2 pumps I1 in the A.M. 2 pumps A4 + 3 pumps I1 in the P.M.

8-12 hours between applications should do. I wouldn't dose to close to bed. Neuro effects could possibly make sleep harder. Always shower between Applications when possible.
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what you might try is apply 2 pumps to one side, let dry then reapply another 2 pumps...in other words layer it, i find layering works really well when using 2 products.
 
thebigt said:
what you might try is apply 2 pumps to one side, let dry then reapply another 2 pumps...in other words layer it, i find layering works really well when using 2 products.
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I def don't see a problem with this either. Our topicals deliver our products over a large surface area, so there's definitely room to share. Plus their all the same carrier so no worry there.

My only concern would be less conversion from steroidogenic skin enzymes as the actives compete. However that isn't the only way they get converted so proba ly negligible.
 
Ape McGrapes said:
I def don't see a problem with this either. Our topicals deliver our products over a large surface area, so there's definitely room to share. Plus their all the same carrier so no worry there.

My only concern would be less conversion from steroidogenic skin enzymes as the actives compete. However that isn't the only way they get converted so proba ly negligible.
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it's very hard to convey my thoughts online...for example if doing 5 pumps of alpha four to neck/shoulders/clavicle do 1.5 pumps to each side let dry then repeat with 1 more pump to each side for 5 total pumps---it sounds much more complicated than it is.

i would like to hear @delsolrob thought on applying different black series products to same area?
 
div1872 said:
Can alpha seven cause any estro sides or is it possible it can block it?
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Androsterone cannot convert to estrogen - it is a PH to DHT and DHT has a high affinity to the estrogen receptor, competing with estrogen...effectively blocking the effects of estrogen.
 
I apologize if this has been asked/answered, but if I applied ultra hard post-shower, not Intending on lifting today, but then decide to lift, what is a safe amount of time to wait before exercising (if it matters for absorption of the lotion)?
 
mavup said:
I apologize if this has been asked/answered, but if I applied ultra hard post-shower, not Intending on lifting today, but then decide to lift, what is a safe amount of time to wait before exercising (if it matters for absorption of the lotion)?
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I exercise about 20 minutes after applying Ultra Hard without any issues
 
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