Iconic Black Series Q&A

[cheftepesh1]

Thanks. Now, does any rep know if Iconic Formulations has third party vendors that carry your products in UK/EU? Don't want my US package snatched by customs

Yes predator

 

[thebigt]

Thanks. Now, does any rep know if Iconic Formulations has third party vendors that carry your products in UK/EU? Don't want my US package snatched by customs

@delsolrob

 

[delsolrob]

Predator and Powermyself should have everything in stock. JW also has some products in stock, but out of a few like Ultra Hard.

if you're in the UK, I think you have to use a VPN to see inventory of our black series at Powermyself...but, they have everything in stock

 

[thebigt]

Predator and Powermyself should have everything in stock. JW also has some products in stock, but out of a few like Ultra Hard.

if you're in the UK, I think you have to use a VPN to see inventory of our black series at Powermyself...but, they have everything in stock

there you have it!!!!

 

[bridgey1989]

All Iconic Formulations are now visible on Powermyself - along with Black Friday discount.

 

[KvanH]

All Iconic Formulations are now visible on Powermyself - along with Black Friday discount.

Just to be sure - The 15% off across entire collection applies today 00.00 forward?

Edit: Never mind. I see the discount applies all ready!

Fucken fantastic! A lot of IF and other td's coming my way

 

[cheftepesh1]

Just to be sure - The 15% off across entire collection applies today 00.00 forward?

Edit: Never mind. I see the discount applies all ready!

Fucken fantastic! A lot of IF and other td's coming my way

Good pick up

 

[Terro7]

Hey guys, any experience in stacking black series with sarms? I had few questions:

1. Would Icon One stack with Rad 140 without an issue? I know it's not the most popular choice due to heavy lethargy induced by both compounds (1-andro/rad140), though I presume dermacrine in IO is able to offset that. Alternatively Alpha Four is perhaps a decent stack with Rad 140, although with a different goal in mind.
2. When running black series compunds do you have to use any sort of on cycle support? Never did, since it's transdermal, but figured I'll ask.

Thanks,

 

[KvanH]

Hey guys, any experience in stacking black series with sarms? I had few questions:

1. Would Icon One stack with Rad 140 without an issue? I know it's not the most popular choice due to heavy lethargy induced by both compounds (1-andro/rad140), though I presume dermacrine in IO is able to offset that. Alternatively Alpha Four is perhaps a decent stack with Rad 140, although with a different goal in mind.
2. When running black series compunds do you have to use any sort of on cycle support? Never did, since it's transdermal, but figured I'll ask.

Thanks,

Some more experienced users think Rad is a good add on to almost any stack. It does have some intriguing properties, but it also seems to be a toss up on how people react to it. Some get good mood, energy, libido increase and others report bad anxiety, blood pressure increase, lethargy. But was it that you hadn't used 1-andro before? If so I would stick with that as your 'anabolic compound', it should treat you well. If more effects desired you could add Ultra Hard or/and increase the Icon one dose or increase 1-andro dosing with oral 1-andro or plain 1-andro td.

None of the black series products are methylated so shouldn't be too hard on the liver. I have not seen reports in big impact on lipids or blood pressure from any of the ingridients that are in black series products. Support products are never a bad idea though. If you order from UK check out Essential Cycle from Evolved Supplements. It's 10 £ a bottle for 30 days and has a decent ingridientprofile. Powermyself carries it and I think JW too. CEL Cycle Assist is the most recommended on AM, but Essential Cycle is very close in igridients.

And again - I'm no rep or expert. These are just my thoughts.

 

[Terro7]

Hey guys, any experience in stacking black series with sarms? I had few questions:

1. Would Icon One stack with Rad 140 without an issue? I know it's not the most popular choice due to heavy lethargy induced by both compounds (1-andro/rad140), though I presume dermacrine in IO is able to offset that. Alternatively Alpha Four is perhaps a decent stack with Rad 140, although with a different goal in mind.
2. When running black series compunds do you have to use any sort of on cycle support? Never did, since it's transdermal, but figured I'll ask.

Thanks,

Much appreciated. Thanks.

 

[n87]

Thinking of getting Icon one + TRS 12 week recovery. Looking for lean gains. 51 y.o, 5 10", about 170lbs, 12% bf. Active in the gym and in decent health, except for BP (taking 5mg/day, introductory dose of bp med, good lipids though), but hard to make any gains naturally. Actually been slowly losing strength and mass (completely off any supps) for last couple of years. Used to buy PP stuff and liked it. Thought it was decent. So, the "Icon one" has both 1 dhea and 5 dhea. The latter should take care of loss of libido and energy or should I get DHEA 4 instead? Also, Sustain Alpha + TOCO9 + Endo Amp would be 4 weeks PCT? I read, some people suggest using Alpha 4 or Alpha 7 by itself as a transition into PCT. What is your thought on that and safely using your stacks regularly for next few years or longer for over 50 crowd?

 

[bridgey1989]

For anyone interested on stocking up on Iconic Formulations. We're running a tiered discount sale - Up to 25% off orders is available if you meet the minimum order. It's active on our site now.

 

[cheftepesh1]

Thinking of getting Icon one + TRS 12 week recovery. Looking for lean gains. 51 y.o, 5 10", about 170lbs, 12% bf. Active in the gym and in decent health, except for BP (taking 5mg/day, introductory dose of bp med, good lipids though), but hard to make any gains naturally. Actually been slowly losing strength and mass (completely off any supps) for last couple of years. Used to buy PP stuff and liked it. Thought it was decent. So, the "Icon one" has both 1 dhea and 5 dhea. The latter should take care of loss of libido and energy or should I get DHEA 4 instead? Also, Sustain Alpha + TOCO9 + Endo Amp would be 4 weeks PCT? I read, some people suggest using Alpha 4 or Alpha 7 by itself as a transition into PCT. What is your thought on that and safely using your stacks regularly for next few years or longer for over 50 crowd?

Adding in dermacrine to that cycle wouldn’t be a bad idea.

 

[Terro7]

Just received my Icon One. Should it have considerably more liquid consistency than both dermacrine and A7? Thank heavens it doesn't leave glitter like residue on skin, but i almost dropped some on the first pump

 

[KvanH]

Thinking of getting Icon one + TRS 12 week recovery. Looking for lean gains. 51 y.o, 5 10", about 170lbs, 12% bf. Active in the gym and in decent health, except for BP (taking 5mg/day, introductory dose of bp med, good lipids though), but hard to make any gains naturally. Actually been slowly losing strength and mass (completely off any supps) for last couple of years. Used to buy PP stuff and liked it. Thought it was decent. So, the "Icon one" has both 1 dhea and 5 dhea. The latter should take care of loss of libido and energy or should I get DHEA 4 instead? Also, Sustain Alpha + TOCO9 + Endo Amp would be 4 weeks PCT? I read, some people suggest using Alpha 4 or Alpha 7 by itself as a transition into PCT. What is your thought on that and safely using your stacks regularly for next few years or longer for over 50 crowd?

I don't know how does your age play into this or the blood pressure issue. I think 1-andro can increase BP for some. Hopefully someone who knows better will chime in.

In any case I would recommend a SERM pct for 1-andro. If your funds allow, Icon one + Aplha four should be very solid. I have used td dhea and td 4-andro as test bases and I liked the 4-andro more + there's the Androsterone.

I have not heard of bridging in to pct with A4 or A7, but I don't like the idea. I'm interested to hear the thought process behind it though. I just think stepping down from something stronger like 1-andro to A4 or A7 you may not make any significant gains, but still keep suppressing yourself.

About your question on safely running these compounds; I think that's a tough question to answer and likely no one wants to take that responsibility of telling you it's safe, when it may not be. You just have to keep researching and make the decision for yourself. I would think your age is the biggest questionmark here on how well will you recover.

 

[KvanH]

Just received my Icon One. Should it have considerably more liquid consistency than both dermacrine and A7? Thank heavens it doesn't leave glitter like residue on skin, but i almost dropped some on the first pump

There was discussion at some point regarding transdermals composition when they make a trip to the customer in cold/varying temperatures. It may affect the composition. You could try to search the thread. I think there was some solution offered for the problem. Or maybe @delsolrob @thebigt @cheftepesh1 can help.

What's wrong with glittery content? My Sustain Alpha had a bit of that glossines. I think that's how it's supposed to be if I remember correctly

 

[thebigt]

Just received my Icon One. Should it have considerably more liquid consistency than both dermacrine and A7? Thank heavens it doesn't leave glitter like residue on skin, but i almost dropped some on the first pump

i always run hot tap water over tube for a minute or 2 and then shake vigorously, some settling may occur just like with pre-workouts.

 

[cheftepesh1]

There was discussion at some point regarding transdermals composition when they make a trip to the customer in cold/varying temperatures. It may affect the composition. You could try to search the thread. I think there was some solution offered for the problem. Or maybe @delsolrob @thebigt @cheftepesh1 can help.

What's wrong with glittery content? My Sustain Alpha had a bit of that glossines. I think that's how it's supposed to be if I remember correctly

Mine has always been somewhat glittery.

 

[KvanH]

Hey fellas, my UH tubes label says to see the bottom for expiration date. The version is 10, 04 2020 is most likely the batch number, so the expiration date is 1000201. I've been trying to understand it awhile now, but just don't. Any help here? @thebigt @cheftepesh1 @delsolrob

Edit: Unless that numbercode is the batch number and expiration date is 04 2020, which would not be cool since I made my order on black friday from Powermyself.. @bridgey1989

 

[delsolrob]

Hey fellas, my UH tubes label says to see the bottom for expiration date. The version is 10, 04 2020 is most likely the batch number, so the expiration date is 1000201. I've been trying to understand it awhile now, but just don't. Any help here? @thebigt @cheftepesh1 @delsolrob

Edit: Unless that numbercode is the batch number and expiration date is 04 2020, which would be not cool since I made my order on black friday from Powermyself.. @bridgey1989

Apologies for the confusion the date on those was the mfg date and not the expiration date.

this was made in April 2020 and should be good for a min of 2 years.

 

[KvanH]

Apologies for the confusion the date on those was the mfg date and not the expiration date.

this was made in April 2020 and should be good for a min of 2 years.

Ok! All cool then, thanks!

 

[Terro7]

Alright I'm beginning my journey with Icon One, will be a week in tomorrow, opting for 6 weeks cycle with some additional skittles on the way (ultra hard as recommended above or rad140) from end of 2nd week.

So far dermacrine makes me feel good with myself and I noticed fullness as well as additional soreness and definite, added hypertrophy in chest, arms post-workout. Side effect that caught me off guard but was welcome was lower resting heart rate during physical activity.

Now my question is what do you think is estimated time for strength benefits to kick in? I dose 5-6 pumps daily.

 

[thebigt]

Alright I'm beginning my journey with Icon One, will be a week in tomorrow, opting for 6 weeks cycle with some additional skittles on the way (ultra hard as recommended above or rad140) from end of 2nd week.

So far dermacrine makes me feel good with myself and I noticed fullness as well as additional soreness and definite, added hypertrophy in chest, arms post-workout. Side effect that caught me off guard but was welcome was lower resting heart rate during physical activity.

Now my question is what do you think is estimated time for strength benefits to kick in? I dose 5-6 pumps daily.

1st-i would get 2 bottles and run for 8 weeks. the 6th week is when icon one effects are strongest and the most gainz will come between week 6 and week 8....dermacrine is good stuff, wise choice running it with icon one-my 1st choice would be alpha four but dermacrine is a nice test base to run with icon one-ultra hard should give additional benefits as well....icon one/dermacrine/ultra hard is a very nice set up!!!

 

[Terro7]

1st-i would get 2 bottles and run for 8 weeks. the 6th week is when icon one effects are strongest and the most gainz will come between week 6 and week 8....dermacrine is good stuff, wise choice running it with icon one-my 1st choice would be alpha four but dermacrine is a nice test base to run with icon one-ultra hard should give additional benefits as well....icon one/dermacrine/ultra hard is a very nice set up!!!

Thanks chief I meant inbuilt dermacrine in Icon One, got two Icon One bottles already - will report back if my hair falls off after ultra hard is added into the mix lol

 

[thebigt]

Thanks chief I meant inbuilt dermacrine in Icon One, got two Icon One bottles already - will report back if my hair falls off after ultra hard is added into the mix lol

KOJACK???

 

[cheftepesh1]

KOJACK???

Bruce Willis

 

[KvanH]

Thanks chief I meant inbuilt dermacrine in Icon One, got two Icon One bottles already - will report back if my hair falls off after ultra hard is added into the mix lol

Give an update if you will when your run is done or at some point. Would like to hear how it went.

 

[BigGame84]

Is there any point to run Alpha-Four as stack with other natty supplements? I know this is great for a test base if you were running something hormonal, but what if you're not?

I guess the goal here would be to gain some size and also just feel good. Does this make sense?

I do plan on running something hormonal in the spring (Halo), but any reason why I can't just run Alpha-Four now? Or should I just wait until my cycle in a few months.

 

[thebigt]

Is there any point to run Alpha-Four as stack with other natty supplements? I know this is great for a test base if you were running something hormonal, but what if you're not?

I guess the goal here would be to gain some size and also just feel good. Does this make sense?

I do plan on running something hormonal in the spring (Halo), but any reason why I can't just run Alpha-Four now? Or should I just wait until my cycle in a few months.

makes sense to me!!!

 

[KvanH]

Is there any point to run Alpha-Four as stack with other natty supplements? I know this is great for a test base if you were running something hormonal, but what if you're not?

I guess the goal here would be to gain some size and also just feel good. Does this make sense?

I do plan on running something hormonal in the spring (Halo), but any reason why I can't just run Alpha-Four now? Or should I just wait until my cycle in a few months.

If you are not on trt I would personally wait and stack it with the Halo in spring. But if you are on trt or don't care to have months in between runs, then I think Ultra Hard would be even more fun solo.

 

[BigGame84]

If you are not on trt I would personally wait and stack it with the Halo in spring. But if you are on trt or don't care to have months in between runs, then I think Ultra Hard would be even more fun solo.

Not on trt.

 

[BigGame84]

So does Alpha-Four (4-DHEA) need to be cycled?

 

[KvanH]

So does Alpha-Four (4-DHEA) need to be cycled?

In my opinion, absolutely. The 4-AD it converts to is anabolic itself and part of that converts to test so it will surely be suppressive to some degree.

 

[thebigt]

So does Alpha-Four (4-DHEA) need to be cycled?

short answer-YES

 

[Terro7]

Guys, my Santa Claus messed up the order (poor guy isn't too tech savvy) and got me Ultra Epi instead of Ultra Hard to add to my Icon One run (I'm 2 weeks in). I'm slightly concerned a triple dose of epiandrosterone that I would normally get with Ultra Hard might fry my hair too much. Valid concern? Should be cautious with 3 pumps or go in strong at 5?

Also I have tried to apply some in the morning today and the gel seemed to have a consistency thicker than even A7 (opposed to runny Icon One) with hard, solid particles inside that felt like peeling on my skin. Is that an intended effect?

 

[KvanH]

Guys, my Santa Claus messed up the order (poor guy isn't too tech savvy) and got me Ultra Epi instead of Ultra Hard to add to my Icon One run (I'm 2 weeks in). I'm slightly concerned a triple dose of epiandrosterone that I would normally get with Ultra Hard might fry my hair too much. Valid concern? Should be cautious with 3 pumps or go in strong at 5?

Also I have tried to apply some in the morning today and the gel seemed to have a consistency thicker than even A7 (opposed to runny Icon One) with hard, solid particles inside that felt like peeling on my skin. Is that an intended effect?

You should contact Santa about the mix up if you haven't already. You might get the UH for free. Unless the error was in your wish list you provided to Santa. Or if Santa is having issues with the customs after Brexit..

Are you predisposed to male pattern balding? If not then Epiandro probably won't be a problem. Ultra Epi is so highly dosed though, that you could try 3 pumps and see if you get desired benefits and adjust from there, imo.

 

[Pl4typu5]

I have male pattern baldness but epi dosent make it any worse.

 

[thebigt]

I have male pattern baldness but epi dosent make it any worse.

thanks for sharing!!!

 

[BigGame84]

Considering a light cycle next month. Thoughts on D-Plex aka The One (Methyl-DHT Oxime) stacked with Alpha-Four?

 

[KvanH]

Considering a light cycle next month. Thoughts on D-Plex aka The One (Methyl-DHT Oxime) stacked with Alpha-Four?

I've basically only heard the name "The One" and that it's strong stuff. That's all I know about that. But if not going to pin test, then maybe outside of td Trest the Alpha 4 would be the best base you can get for any anabolic run. Only way to make it a bit better at least on paper would be adding epiandro.

My .02$

Edit: I rushed. You said light run. Maybe we are talking about different "The One".. Or I'm just mistaken. Anyhow my opinion on Alpha 4 as base stands for any PH/DS.

 

[BigGame84]

I've basically only heard the name "The One" and that it's strong stuff. That's all I know about that. But if not going to pin test, then maybe outside of td Trest the Alpha 4 would be the best base you can get for any anabolic run. Only way to make it a bit better at least on paper would be adding epiandro.

My .02$

Edit: I rushed. You said light run. Maybe we are talking about different "The One".. Or I'm just mistaken. Anyhow my opinion on Alpha 4 as base stands for any PH/DS.

It's not that strong. It's a DHT, so adding epiandro probably DHT overkill was my thinking.

 

[KvanH]

It's not that strong. It's a DHT, so adding epiandro probably DHT overkill was my thinking.

You may be right there as Alpha 4 already contains Androsterone. Maybe I'm confusing The One being strong just for it being well liked. As I said I don't really know much about The One.

 

[KvanH]

I would like to add that with the hefty dose of 4-andro in A4 I don't think even adding Epiandro would be over kill in terms of being too dry or too much dht, but it may very well be futile.

 

[thebigt]

I would like to add that with the hefty dose of 4-andro in A4 I don't think even adding Epiandro would be over kill in terms of being too dry or too much dht, but it may very well be futile.

don't forget the A4 also includes androsterone.

 

[KvanH]

don't forget the A4 also includes androsterone.

I didn't. I think epiandro and androsterone go well together and I remember talks about these PH's to dht not converting as much and that they can convert back if there's a lot dht in the body. That's what I based my "not over kill" statement on.

 

[thebigt]

It's not that strong. It's a DHT, so adding epiandro probably DHT overkill was my thinking.

alpha four would go great with it...and you are right, when the one 1st came out it was considered very mild but with few sides...back in the day it was mostly considered a add on to the more 'wetter' ph's that had high conversion to estrogen. A4/the one should be a nice, mild cycle, imo.....honestly i would compare A4/the one to A4/ultrahard.

 

[thebigt]

I didn't. I think epiandro and androsterone go well together and I remember talks about these PH's to dht not converting as much and that they can convert back if there's a lot dht in the body. That's what I based my "not over kill" statement on.

been quite awhile but i remember my run of 'the one' being comparable to my more recent runs of ultrahard...i think i was chosen to log the one when app nut 1st released it.

 

[KvanH]

alpha four would go great with it...and you are right, when the one 1st came out it was considered very mild but with few sides...back in the day it was mostly considered a add on to the more 'wetter' ph's that had high conversion to estrogen. A4/the one should be a nice, mild cycle, imo.....honestly i would compare A4/the one to A4/ultrahard.

So it seems that I confused the "strong" for well liked like I was guessing earlier as many like a product with low sides. I stand corrected and am sorry for the confusion. Carry on gents.

 

[KvanH]

been quite awhile but i remember my run of 'the one' being comparable to my more recent runs of ultrahard...i think i was chosen to log the one when app nut 1st released it.

So in other words, you where the chosen one to run The One, lol

 

[BigGame84]

been quite awhile but i remember my run of 'the one' being comparable to my more recent runs of ultrahard...i think i was chosen to log the one when app nut 1st released it.

Thanks. That's the answer I was looking for.