zombiemuscle
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Would it be a step in the same direction?
How to "pulse" orals
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Would it be a step in the same direction?
JohnBrinks
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I think the whole idea with pulsing is to give your endocrine systeml, liver, kidneys, cardio system etc time to recover back to normal before dosing again, like once every three days at most frequent from what I make of this thread. It also depends on the compound, but even if it the compound only had a 3 hour half life, 21 hours is no way long enough for your body to recover, look at something like deca - research has shown just a measely 100mg dose will shut you down completely and deca has a 3 week half life but it takes 4 weeks for your endocrine system to recover (that = 1 extra week).
You cant just assume that anything is pulsing, you have to take time to understand what its all about before calling anything pulsing. What youve suggested isnt even a step in the same direction.
zombiemuscle
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I read a guide on dosing steroids which was packaged in the steroid box. It said that the smallest dose of steroids could suppress your hpta to the point where u are actually building less muscle than without steroids. In which case u would use a higher dose to build muscle, and it would seem a steady supply of androgens would have more benefit than a single dose EOD pulse. For a pulse, according to information in the pharmaceutical company's packet, you are going to be in a detrimental state on your off days. This is due to administration of androgens. U yourself said even a 3 hour half-life roid needs more than a day to recover. So why pulse? If u can't recover in a day or two then there isn't any benefit to the hpta.
So dosing too little or infrequently can put u in a worse state than without gear. You need steady hormones to reap the full benefits of a compound. Why tease your hpta with recovery just to take another measly dose EOD?? Seriously, the hpta needs a full pct WITHOUT androgens. Pulsing is nothing but a cycle combined with pct. Both are halfassed and neither will provide outstanding results.
JohnBrinks
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Pulsing is the sh*t, perfect solution for long term cycling
1. youre contradicting the reaserch findings of a Doctor dude.
2. This reserch was done specifically for under-aged people who have no choice but to use anabolic steriods and it was found to be effective.
Youre right pulsing is nothing but a cycle combined with PCT. The reserch findings on the shut down deca produced showed the body was back to normal in 4 weeks without drugs for rehabilitation, otherwise the findings wouldnt be relevant to deca anymore theyd be relevant to some kind of PCT drug.
Also youre filling this thread with BS now simply because you havnt really read it and have zero understanding on what youre babling about, thats like running in the dark and I hope you dont live your life to this extent.
This reaserch was mainly based on compounds like Dbol which only cause shutdown of 40% even with high doses. So trying to explian that pulsing is no good with just any old substance is calling the cat black, its no new revelation, but it doesnt mean pulsing is rubish, it has to relevant to the substance.
Ill try to explain it as simply for you as I can:
Normal androgen dosage for Dbol = 30gm ed
Pulsing dosage = minumum 40mg (get it - more androgens)
Dbol only shuts shuts down by 40% - PCT drugs boost it by min 150% depending on what you use and how much you use.
The beauty of HCG is that its a synthetic Leutenising Hormone and doesnt require no H or P or T, or anykind of axis, so saying your body will be in a detremental state on days off is an uneducated pre-context (it has no relevance because theres no way it could be If youre using PCT drugs).
Also in any cycle (if you know anything about cycling) you need to include testosterone shots preferably with the same half life as the steroids youre using for the very reasons you mentioned above. Testosterone suspention for example will be out of your body in 12 hours max, testolactone in 24 hours, so there again your bodys never going to be in a detremental state.
But you wouldnt even need to add testosterone with pulsing dbol because the PCT drugs will counteract any shut down sufficiently. You need to do your reaserch.
Also pulsing alows you to cycle for longer as its safer, theoretically gaining more than with a standard cycle length. The Doc suggest 1 off day at least between dosing and dosing PCT last thing at night.
1. youre contradicting the reaserch findings of a Doctor dude.
2. This reserch was done specifically for under-aged people who have no choice but to use anabolic steriods and it was found to be effective.
Youre right pulsing is nothing but a cycle combined with PCT. The reserch findings on the shut down deca produced showed the body was back to normal in 4 weeks without drugs for rehabilitation, otherwise the findings wouldnt be relevant to deca anymore theyd be relevant to some kind of PCT drug.
Also youre filling this thread with BS now simply because you havnt really read it and have zero understanding on what youre babling about, thats like running in the dark and I hope you dont live your life to this extent.
This reaserch was mainly based on compounds like Dbol which only cause shutdown of 40% even with high doses. So trying to explian that pulsing is no good with just any old substance is calling the cat black, its no new revelation, but it doesnt mean pulsing is rubish, it has to relevant to the substance.
Ill try to explain it as simply for you as I can:
Normal androgen dosage for Dbol = 30gm ed
Pulsing dosage = minumum 40mg (get it - more androgens)
Dbol only shuts shuts down by 40% - PCT drugs boost it by min 150% depending on what you use and how much you use.
The beauty of HCG is that its a synthetic Leutenising Hormone and doesnt require no H or P or T, or anykind of axis, so saying your body will be in a detremental state on days off is an uneducated pre-context (it has no relevance because theres no way it could be If youre using PCT drugs).
Also in any cycle (if you know anything about cycling) you need to include testosterone shots preferably with the same half life as the steroids youre using for the very reasons you mentioned above. Testosterone suspention for example will be out of your body in 12 hours max, testolactone in 24 hours, so there again your bodys never going to be in a detremental state.
But you wouldnt even need to add testosterone with pulsing dbol because the PCT drugs will counteract any shut down sufficiently. You need to do your reaserch.
Also pulsing alows you to cycle for longer as its safer, theoretically gaining more than with a standard cycle length. The Doc suggest 1 off day at least between dosing and dosing PCT last thing at night.
JohnBrinks
Member
Tren-ace and Test-ace 3x/w is looking rather tasty for a decent 20wk cycle lads. Each compound will be active for 2/3 days. Together with 250iu HCG the day before each dosing day, with clomid and aromasin. sweet.
That would rank up to £2458. I better start saving...
That would rank up to £2458. I better start saving...
zombiemuscle
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Isn't tren ace an injectable? Oral tren is methyltrienolone Thought this thread was about orals. Please stick to the topic.
JohnBrinks
Member
Well its still pulsing, pulsing injectables would work the same way, its not rocket science mofo.
vidapreta
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:lol::lol::lol::lol:
JohnBrinks
Member
:sgrin: I started pulsing Dbol today allong with my injectables, it certainly helps with the hunger supression of deca. Ive realised pulsing would go so perfectly with carb cycling =DDDDD. What an epic idea, fantastical brilliant me:sgrin:
JohnBrinks
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well put :You_Rock_Emoticon:
EasyEJL
Never enough
Not really true. Get your testosterone levels checked by a blood draw first thing in the morning on waking, then another right before bed the same day. You'll see your levels are significantly lower in the evening test. Even your natural levels vary rather than be steady state.
JohnBrinks
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Oh by the way guys Im pulsing Dbol allong with my injectable cycle. Im currently doing deca and sus. Im switching over tri-tren, test-e and test prop next week, started dosing Dbol yesterday. Anbody wana share some advice or watch:
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hman85
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Well if it is not rocket science then you should know that pulsing injects are not what this thread is about, and it isn't the same thing anyways. You need something with a hourly half life not days. Don't act like your the know all when you are making a wrong statement.
JohnBrinks
Member
Yeah like Im gona "act" when I didnt know it was a wrong statement. So are you actually qualified to tell me its a wrong statement then? Or are you acting like a know it all too... sigh. Dude, knowbody's trying to act like a know it all here, were all here trying to find things out, share ideas and gain new information. ok.
IMO it doesnt have to have an hourly half life, why does it have to be out your dody in hours? If its out of your system 24 hours before your next jab its what any genius would call pulsing, IMHO... care to eplain your oppinion in a calm and constructive manner??
mark118
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if you want to discuss the merits of injectable pulsing i suggest starting a new thread, PM dr D, or PM the other memebers but its not fair to the others who look to this thread for guidance and see 1 member saying there's no difference between oral and injectable. it doesnt help anyone. you know that some kid will come along and see what you wrote and try it out. not a good idea.
this thread should continue to be a resource on how to orally pulse only.
mark118
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i doubt any of the members here have the knowledge that Dr D in terms of endocrinology and pulsing.
its like asking a patient to explain why 1 statin he's taking is better than another. the patient is following the recommended guidelines that was drawn up by someone with the expertise to do so.
if you dont believe it needs a short half life thats fine by me, go ahead and try it out.... in another thread. but as above, if people see these posts they might think that pulsing Hdrol is a good idea.
JohnBrinks
Member
you have a good point.
hman85
Well-known member
Having a half life of days defeats the purpose of doing a pulse. That's why dr d always recommends using something like superdrol or epi, because of the short half life. Doing shots every 3 days is just the same as a straight cycle. That's all I am saying.
UnrealMachine
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you could pulse injectables if you happen to be injecting an esterless suspension like TNE, tren susp., winstrol
vidapreta
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I personally think that's ridiculous. Why would you even want to??
EasyEJL
Never enough
for someone trying to get over a strength plateau I could see it working out well. just injecting test or tren no ester would give a nice short term boost, with relatively light suppression
vidapreta
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Alright different strokes for different folks
UnrealMachine
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I'm just saying you could.
Pulsing makes more sense with orals because their toxicity is a limiting factor, pulsing allows you to cycle them longer because you're spreading out the toxicity
vidapreta
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Gotcha..
JohnBrinks
Member
I like the idea of pulsing anything be it Dbol or tren susp, I LIKE IT!!!!! thx
vidapreta
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JohnBrinks
Member
You should try pulsing your JERK OFFS..p:
why is that a personal favourite of yours? :thumbsdown:
vidapreta
Well-known member
Yes because it limits the toxicity of the sperm.:laughing:
thundergod
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Great point bro. Test-Suspension would be idea for an injectable pulse cycle. 100 mgs. pre-workout 3 times per week. :yup:
mark118
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ask the CEL reps what the half life is (assuming its known)
but i wonder if pulsing alpha one would be similar to pulsing m1t in terms of shutdown because of how powerful it is
middleageguy
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M-Drol Pulse, Off-Days diet question.
Dr. D,
During a 3x/wk pulse how does one handle diet during off-days vs on-days?
Does one keep the proteins & calories on off-days at the same level as on-days?
I know you had said/wrote:
"Having a quality, high carb/calorie post work out meal (or shake) is important to proper recovery, and ingesting sufficient protein especially on the off days doesn't hurt either. "
But I just lost 46lbs over the past six months and do not want to pack back on fat, so I was concerned about consuming high amounts of calories on off days.
3x/wk pulse Sat, Tues, Thurs:
Week-Dose(mg)
1 (10mg,20mg,30mg)
2 30mg
3 30mg
4 30mg
5 30mg
6 30mg
7 30mg
8 30mg
Taking 20mg before workout & 10 mg after workout
I wish I had read your {How to "pulse" orals} & {Unreal's Guide to Superdrol} prior to making purchases. (On page 9 now, still have lots more to read)
Purchased enough H-DROL and supporting supplements for 5 cycles. (During the purchases I also bought 3 bottles M-DROL)
After reading your {How to "pulse" orals}, this seems like the way to go. Purchased all kinds of stuff$$$ that was not necessary.
I guess I can do Full H-DROL Cycles with supporting supplements for cutting Cycles and the M-DROL pulse Cycles for bulking.
Purchased:
{5 Cycles H-DROL, Cycle Assist, PCT Assist & Tamoxifen(Nolvadex)} & 3 bottles M-DROL.
CEL H Drol (8 bottles)
POWERLAB NUTRITION Halotest-25(2 bottles)
CEL Cycle Assist (5 bottles)
CEL PCT Assist (4 bottles)
POWERLAB NUTRITION Halotest-25(2 bottles)
POWERLAB NUTRITION PCT Assist (1 bottles)
Tamoxifen(Nolvadex 20 mg)(Total Count: 120 pills x 20 mg)
Dr. D,
During a 3x/wk pulse how does one handle diet during off-days vs on-days?
Does one keep the proteins & calories on off-days at the same level as on-days?
I know you had said/wrote:
"Having a quality, high carb/calorie post work out meal (or shake) is important to proper recovery, and ingesting sufficient protein especially on the off days doesn't hurt either. "
But I just lost 46lbs over the past six months and do not want to pack back on fat, so I was concerned about consuming high amounts of calories on off days.
3x/wk pulse Sat, Tues, Thurs:
Week-Dose(mg)
1 (10mg,20mg,30mg)
2 30mg
3 30mg
4 30mg
5 30mg
6 30mg
7 30mg
8 30mg
Taking 20mg before workout & 10 mg after workout
I wish I had read your {How to "pulse" orals} & {Unreal's Guide to Superdrol} prior to making purchases. (On page 9 now, still have lots more to read)
Purchased enough H-DROL and supporting supplements for 5 cycles. (During the purchases I also bought 3 bottles M-DROL)
After reading your {How to "pulse" orals}, this seems like the way to go. Purchased all kinds of stuff$$$ that was not necessary.
I guess I can do Full H-DROL Cycles with supporting supplements for cutting Cycles and the M-DROL pulse Cycles for bulking.
Purchased:
{5 Cycles H-DROL, Cycle Assist, PCT Assist & Tamoxifen(Nolvadex)} & 3 bottles M-DROL.
CEL H Drol (8 bottles)
POWERLAB NUTRITION Halotest-25(2 bottles)
CEL Cycle Assist (5 bottles)
CEL PCT Assist (4 bottles)
POWERLAB NUTRITION Halotest-25(2 bottles)
POWERLAB NUTRITION PCT Assist (1 bottles)
Tamoxifen(Nolvadex 20 mg)(Total Count: 120 pills x 20 mg)
mark118
Active member
no idea what that split is, but if you want to minimise shutdown, adapt it to Dr D's plan on page 1.
revencer
Banned
It's:
saturday: upper power
sunday: lower power
monday: off
tuesday: hypertrophy chest/arms
wednesday: hypertrophy shoulders/back
thursday: hypertrophy legs/calves
friday: off
hman85
Well-known member
Just lower carbs on off days. Don't be afraid to go above 30 mgs on the later weeks.
JohnBrinks
Member
Sweet split!!! But its a sweet split mostly because its simple, thats always a winner, but it can be better mixed up a bit by spliting you power days (upper versus lower) up, Ill explain later.
Anabolics mainly produce power, so power days you want to be loading up on "whatever" during the day well before your workout.
Thats a sweet split, but very advanced... If power is what you want you basically need to tell your muscles that even what youre doing to your muscles on the hypertrophy days / workouts is intended to add to your power. But Im not talking about changing your workout principals on hypertrophy days. After youve convinced your muscles to adapt on hypertrophy days you need to tell your body that the way YOU want IT to adapt is to produce power - later on in the week as soon as possible, or as soon as theyve recovered.
So you need to think / see / plan your week looking at it from the point of view that it starts on hypertrophy days... and later on during the week ( as soon as possible ) youre gona follow it up with a power workout. Sounds like it makes sense doesnt it? yes thats because its the way atheletes do IT. So by keeping your shedule as close to the simple way you like it, what you should do is take that rest day out from friday so theres more rest between power and hypertrophy... and less rest between hypertrophy and power workouts.
But then youre faced with the problem that your rest days will probably end up together and your be over taxing your Nevous system by working out 5 days straight. Thats why its better to split your upper and lower power days up as far appart as possible and fit you hypertrophy days in as closely behind them as possible. Its kind of like juggling but it produces more results.
And by spliting it up like that it will be esier to "pulse" (if youre with me?).
Anabolics mainly produce power, so power days you want to be loading up on "whatever" during the day well before your workout.
Thats a sweet split, but very advanced... If power is what you want you basically need to tell your muscles that even what youre doing to your muscles on the hypertrophy days / workouts is intended to add to your power. But Im not talking about changing your workout principals on hypertrophy days. After youve convinced your muscles to adapt on hypertrophy days you need to tell your body that the way YOU want IT to adapt is to produce power - later on in the week as soon as possible, or as soon as theyve recovered.
So you need to think / see / plan your week looking at it from the point of view that it starts on hypertrophy days... and later on during the week ( as soon as possible ) youre gona follow it up with a power workout. Sounds like it makes sense doesnt it? yes thats because its the way atheletes do IT. So by keeping your shedule as close to the simple way you like it, what you should do is take that rest day out from friday so theres more rest between power and hypertrophy... and less rest between hypertrophy and power workouts.
But then youre faced with the problem that your rest days will probably end up together and your be over taxing your Nevous system by working out 5 days straight. Thats why its better to split your upper and lower power days up as far appart as possible and fit you hypertrophy days in as closely behind them as possible. Its kind of like juggling but it produces more results.
And by spliting it up like that it will be esier to "pulse" (if youre with me?).
revencer
Banned
If I split it up, something like how I wrote it below, how would I choose which day to pulse?
Upper Power
off
Hypertrophy Chest/Arms
Lower Power
Hypertrophy Shoulders/Back
Off
Hypertrophy Legs/Calves
middleageguy
Member
M-DROL Suplier out of stock, What other Superdrol Clones still available?
The supplement company I bought my 3 bottles of M-DROL is out of stock now.
Just bought it two weeks ago, had a feeling could not get it later, glad I did when I did.(Got them for $19.99 each)
When I google for M-DROL CEL where I can find it the price is jacked up twice as much or more than I paid.
What other Superdrol Clones still available? Which ones would you recommend?
Not looking for a source, know against rules, don't want to get banned. Just want names of Superdrol Clones still available and recommendations.
The supplement company I bought my 3 bottles of M-DROL is out of stock now.
Just bought it two weeks ago, had a feeling could not get it later, glad I did when I did.(Got them for $19.99 each)
When I google for M-DROL CEL where I can find it the price is jacked up twice as much or more than I paid.
What other Superdrol Clones still available? Which ones would you recommend?
Not looking for a source, know against rules, don't want to get banned. Just want names of Superdrol Clones still available and recommendations.
xcharmsx
New member
I'm thinking about pulsing phera and mdrol. I was thinking 4-5 weeks working up to 30mg phera preworkout and up to 20mg mdrol post workout. Is this a good idea or is liver going to die? I've run both solo before so I know how I react to them, so now I'm just toying with the idea.
It would be 3 times a week doing a traditional powerlifting spilt.
I'll also be running trt through the whole thing so no worries for pct.
Thanks in advance for any comments or suggestions.
It would be 3 times a week doing a traditional powerlifting spilt.
I'll also be running trt through the whole thing so no worries for pct.
Thanks in advance for any comments or suggestions.
ImJ2x
Well-known member
One of my best cycles ever was a Super+Phera pulse. But I like to run pulses much longer, and ramp up doses (to overcome any possible tolerance that may build up).
If I were you, I would run 4-5 weeks @ 10mg Mdrol+20mg Phera, then 4-5 more weeks at your 20+30 dosing.
mark118
Active member
8-10 weeks pulsing SD + PP is excessive IMO. Its not just prolonged shutdown to be concerned with but also how your cholesterol will be after this long.
EasyEJL
Never enough
Depends on how high you plan to dose them
badbart
Registered User
What would you suggest?