How to "pulse" orals

I need a question answered. Does anyone know which methylated prohormones besides superdrol and epistane can you pulse? This sweet era of legal steroids will be gone in a few days and I'm stocking up on anything and everything out there under the sun. Until the next big anabolic comes out, which ones should I focus on if looking to continuing to do pulse cycles for the next 5-6 years?
 
brahmabull said:
I need a question answered. Does anyone know which methylated prohormones besides superdrol and epistane can you pulse? This sweet era of legal steroids will be gone in a few days and I'm stocking up on anything and everything out there under the sun. Until the next big anabolic comes out, which ones should I focus on if looking to continuing to do pulse cycles for the next 5-6 years?
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Epi will still be legal but a lot of companies will stop making it just to avoid any hassles w/ the FDA down the road. A lot of places are doing clearances on it so I'd just stock up on as much epi as you can swing right now.

SD seems to be a little harder to find but there's still some out there if you look. I believe M-drol is still stocked some places but is also getting clearanced out. That's another one that isn't being banned. i believe this latest ban just covers "tren" clones, phera and one other thing.
 
nightfly71 said:
Epi will still be legal but a lot of companies will stop making it just to avoid any hassles w/ the FDA down the road. A lot of places are doing clearances on it so I'd just stock up on as much epi as you can swing right now.

SD seems to be a little harder to find but there's still some out there if you look. I believe M-drol is still stocked some places but is also getting clearanced out. That's another one that isn't being banned. i believe this latest ban just covers "tren" clones, phera and one other thing.
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I believe that one other compound is Halo-Drol and all its clones. Like H-Drol and the others.

So everyone, what's the next generation of Pro-Steroids looking like? Surely there's something amazing looming on the horizon..........:dunno:
 
No, that's not it. The other one that is going to be banned on Jan. 4th is boldione. Halo is still safe. So, do you guys know what other methyl prohormones one can pulse besides superdrol and epistane?
 
Just have to laugh that you have "safe" in that statement. ;)
 
Yeah, Bold. It had slipped my mind before. There's a total of 3 things banned, so "tren" and phera are the other two. SD and halo are untouched for the moment.

As I was saying though, a lot of manufacturers have quit making anything like these already. For example, CEL has discontinued the compounds that will still be legal anyway. Most other brands will do the same.
 
nightfly71 said:
Epi will still be legal
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no, it was never legal to sell. merely the way the DSHEA was written, and the way the FDA treated it allowed it to be sold with minimal chance of the company selling it being penalized. Now that a new director is in the FDA and he's actually enforcing the DSHEA, any of the prohormones/designers are done.

If you can't show and prove its existence in the food chain, then it isn't a supplement, its an unlicensed drug, and always has been.
 
FIRST POST: First Ever Cycle: Epistane Pulse

Dr. D (and any others w/feedback in the meantime):

This will be my first cycle ever. All feedback is appreciated. I have been researching for the last few months and I have read this entire thread which took several weeks alone. I think pulsing would be a great way to try it out for the first time.

Background:
-25 y/o, 5' 9", 185, been lifting for a little over 11 years
-looking to gain some lean mass and strength but remain athletic
-not a bodybuilder; like to be in peak physical shape and very athletic
-workout 6 days/week (I know this would probably be overtraining in the case of most bodybuilding programs but I am willing to sacrafice some mass gaining in order to maintain athleticism/fitness and my 6 day/week program has kept me in peak condition

This is my proposed plan. I will likely post it several places to get the most suggesstions possible. I don't plan on running it till mid Jan, so there is plenty of time to adjust details although I HAVE already ordered all the ingredients so I hope it doesn't need to change much:

ON DAYS:

Epistane: (3x week: M,W,F week 1; T,TH,S week 2 and so on, in order to hit all bodyparts twice each throughout cycle; I workout Mon-Sat)

10/20/20
20/20/20
30/30/30
30/30/30 - (May go to 40mg here depending on feel)

APCT (6 Bromo): 50mg prior to bed (I will be lifting about 700 AM so there is plenty of time between pulse dosage and AI dosage)

p5p: 200mg (protein synthesis and prolactin prevention just in case; I am very paranoid/couldn't hurt anyway, right?...Or am I wrong?)

Lipolean (CLA): 2g

Flax Oil: 2tsp


OFF DAYS:

APCT (6 bromo): 25mg prior to bed (So this means 6 bromo -low dose- every day while on cycle)

Lean Xtreme (cort block proprietary blend): 2 caps morning, 1 cap afternoon

p5p (see "ON" Days for explanation): 200mg

SAM-e: 400 mg (Is there a specific time of day I should dose this?)

Lipolean (CLA): 2g

Flax Oil: 2tsp


PCT:

Post Cycle Support (Reversitrol and other proprietary blend): 4/4/4/4 (measured in caps;2 AM, 2 PM)

Activate Extreme (Test Boost/Free Test Boost; binds to SHBG): 0/4/3/2-1 (measured in 1500mg caps)
(not included in first week in order to give natty/total test time to kickstart before it is "free'd" by ACT X ingredients)

APCT (6 bromo) : 0/0/50/50/25/25 EOD
(To ensure any estrogen rebound is prevented at latter end of PCT; I will taper this very slowly to control estro/prevent rebound, thus the 25mg EOD dose on last week of PCT)

Lean Xtreme (cort block): 0/0/3/2/2
(measured in caps; Dosed morning and afternoon)

Kre-Alkalyn: Load/4/4/4
(measured in grams)

ZMA: 3/3/3/3
(measured in caps; standard dosage)

Lipolean (CLA) 2 ED till gone

SAM-e: 400mg ED till gone

p5p: 200mg ED till gone

Flax oil: 2tsp

*I will be ordering a SERM for the 'just in case' factor. Any suggestions on which one? If I remember correctly Dr. D does not reccomend Nolva although this seems to be the most popular.

Also, my biggest concern is Gyno. Scares the Sh** out of me. I've never had it but then I've never run anything synthetic before either (only Natty test boosters/AI's). This is why I've chosen Epi: less Gyno/known for anti-Gyno properties.

So here are my questions summed up:

1. How's the outline look in general?

2. p5p a good idea? (see suggested dosage/reasoning above) If it's just unneccessary, but won't hurt anything, then I'll keep it for piece of mind.

3. Any specific time to dose the SAM-e on my off days? How's my proposed dosage look?

4. Any SERM suggestion? (Other than Nolva) Would Chlomid be good? Again, this is just in case...

5. If I get Gyno symptoms/puffy nip's, etc., what steps should I take? I want to have a plan in place and I don't want to freak out at the slightest thing and stop the cycle due to unwarrented paronoia.

This has been an outstanding thread and forum. Thanks Dr. D and God bless. Thanks to all for contributing and thanks in advance for helping me out. Merry Christmas.
 
My pulsing experiences

Hi all,
as this thread was the start of my pulsing I thought I would share my experiences with y'all :)
NOTE:- For those that believe it is possible to pulse without thinking of the risks, I DO HAVE A SERM ON HAND AND DID READ EXTENSIVELY BEFOREHAND!! Sorry, but there are many who don’t consider their health and I wanted to make sure that they didn’t get the wrong end of the stick.

First a little about me
43 yrs young
start weight 83.6kg
BF approx. 12% - online calculator so not exact
1 previous 'proper' cycle, all gains lost!
time on pulsing:- 4 months
training in earnest for 2 yrs, although I have done it for at least 10, but not on a regular basis.
4 day split with 2 routine changes within the last 8 months
Goal:- to put on some lean muscle and bulk up

I don't propose to do a full log, but the highlights are
weight 83.6 kg to 94.1kg
chest 41" to 44"
biceps 13" to 14.5"
waist 33" to 34.5"
ass/hips 39" to 41"
BF approx 12% to 13.8%

I have pulsed S/D, EPI and am just trying the new Cynostan.
I only pulse on training days (Mon, Tues, Thurs, Fri or Sat depending on work) and aside from an odd session have not really engaged in any cardio, partly 'cos I couldn't be bothered and partly due to poor knee joints-which also hamper squats :(
I started on 2 tabs daily (morning & night) and eventually moved to 4 tabs daily (at breakfast, lunch, dinner and bed time). Throughout I have taken liver protection (started with liv52 & moved to cycle assist) and always had a serm on hand should it be required. Recently on my off days I have also been taking natural test boosters ;)
Over the time I have spent pulsing my diet has, on the whole been ok, but there have been some days when I have strayed, but these have mostly been during the last month on the Christmas build up, which has resulted in the over grown waistline I now have :)
Over all I am pleased with the results as I look much bigger and am very toned.
The up sides
• It has worked out far cheaper than a normal cycle
• The results have been consistent
• Almost zero sides (just started to get the odd cramp)
• No shutdown, not tested by the doctor only by my knowledge. Should be noted that I have come close a few times-my nuts get sore when it happens. Ouch!

The downsides
• It can be difficult to stop going the whole hog and moving on to a normal cycle!
Thats all I can think of...

I am currently on a break from all supplements over the Christmas period, but do intend to pulse again in 2010 as it fits with my lifestyle, allows for longer cycles and, most importantly, I get to keep the gains.
If there is anything I have missed or you want clarity on drop me line..

Have a great Christmas and stay safe :)
 
on pulse cycle, I can take 30 mg epistane on serving size?
Where to take 20 mg pre work out and 10mg post work out!
My training is between 6 and 9pm and he is not advise to take stéroid after 6pm
 
athletor said:
on pulse cycle, I can take 30 mg epistane on serving size?
Where to take 20 mg pre work out and 10mg post work out!
My training is between 6 and 9pm and he is not advise to take stéroid after 6pm
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I have to say that I routinely take 10mg before bed. The logic I used is so that the effects last overnight to prevent the muscle tone breaking down. It may not be right, but I didnt notice any adverse effects.
 
During my cycle of epistane I will use a Estrogen Blockers!
What will you advice me: Anabolic Xtreme Advanced PCT or
Chaparral Labs ATD or IBE Formex?
 
tosh124 said:
I have to say that I routinely take 10mg before bed. The logic I used is so that the effects last overnight to prevent the muscle tone breaking down. It may not be right, but I didnt notice any adverse effects.
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i thought this was advised against.... it was a while ago but there was a discussion regarding this. i think perhaps casein would get around this. unless you're pro at max muscle your body can handle, i doubt you'd be losing any muscle at night to warrant epi
 
mark118 said:
i thought this was advised against.... it was a while ago but there was a discussion regarding this. i think perhaps casein would get around this. unless you're pro at max muscle your body can handle, i doubt you'd be losing any muscle at night to warrant epi
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You could be right, but I must admit to forgetting that bit! What are the benefits of taking directly after traning tho? It takes a while to get into your system...

Labs Chaparral ATD is it a good product?
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No idea, never used it...
 
With regard to using an AI (estrogen blocker) with Epi, most people don't recommend it because Epi has AI properties already. Many run Epi to reduce gyno from a previous cycle. When I ran Epi, I did add an AI (Formex), but I did not feel that it did anything beyond what the Epi would have done by itself. The only AI's I have used are Formex and Novedex XT, and I actually preferred the Novedex.
 
MEPSE said:
With regard to using an AI (estrogen blocker) with Epi, most people don't recommend it because Epi has AI properties already. Many run Epi to reduce gyno from a previous cycle. When I ran Epi, I did add an AI (Formex), but I did not feel that it did anything beyond what the Epi would have done by itself. The only AI's I have used are Formex and Novedex XT, and I actually preferred the Novedex.
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Whats the question?
 
By DR.D, I will have the result with a pulse cycling with the doses who can be lower (10-20mg) if I want to stretch it to 2 or 3 months instead of just 1. Dose at least 3 times per week but not more than 4.
 
I have never used cortisol control, so I can't comment. I don't use many of the things that others recommend, and I find that supplements don't always work for me even though they seem to work for everyone else. I just keep experimenting (not blindly, of course) to see what works for me.
 
athletor said:
what is the Furazadrol half life?
could you pulse this with epi.
something like
40mgs epi and 150mgs FZ 3-4 days a week
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I've read that Fur has a short half life of less than 4 hours. I think it would be great to pulse with EPI. I stacked it with EPI during a regular cycle. I gained 10 hard lbs in 4 weeks. I dosed epi 20/30/30/40 and Fur 0/200/264/333. Fur is MILD! I wouldnt be affraid to pulse it in doses up to 400mg+. I think 150mg will be way too mild for a pulse. You should at least hit 250mg. When I Pulse it, I plannin on using 333mg. I hope this helps
 
Epi Pulse Bloodwork

Bloodwork results from a 6 week Epistane pulse, 3x week.

Keep in mind these were taken at day 40 before starting PCT, on an off day from the pulse.

Test: 181 ng/dl (should be around 600)
Sorry, no FSH or LH numbers.

HDL: 26 (should be in the mid 40's)
LDL: 105 (normal, could be little lower)

AST: 21 (average around 40's)
ALT: 43 (average around 40's)

BP: 121/80 (normal)

Seems to me my HDL took a hit, everything else stayed the same for BP, LDL, liver and blood pressure, and my Test levels definitely fell on the lower end. I'm not sure if this implies I was getting shut down, but pretty low level!

Certainly not the "bounce" people talk about going to higher test levels, much the opposite. I was using CL Blue Up on off days and 6-bromo, but still didn't do much for me obviously. Not shut down completely, so it seems like it at least partially validates the claims?

Overall I enjoyed the cycle, but I think I'll stick to straight cycles and PCT. This way it removes the guess work, and probably better gains.

What do you think of these results?
 
Milas said:
Bloodwork results from a 6 week Epistane pulse, 3x week.

Keep in mind these were taken at day 40 before starting PCT, on an off day from the pulse.

Test: 181 ng/dl (should be around 600)
Sorry, no FSH or LH numbers.

HDL: 26 (should be in the mid 40's)
LDL: 105 (normal, could be little lower)

AST: 21 (average around 40's)
ALT: 43 (average around 40's)

BP: 121/80 (normal)

Seems to me my HDL took a hit, everything else stayed the same for BP, LDL, liver and blood pressure, and my Test levels definitely fell on the lower end. I'm not sure if this implies I was getting shut down, but pretty low level!

Certainly not the "bounce" people talk about going to higher test levels, much the opposite. I was using CL Blue Up on off days and 6-bromo, but still didn't do much for me obviously. Not shut down completely, so it seems like it at least partially validates the claims?

Overall I enjoyed the cycle, but I think I'll stick to straight cycles and PCT. This way it removes the guess work, and probably better gains.

What do you think of these results?
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Thanks for posting these results very informative. It would be great to have previous levels to compare them to though, do you have any past blood work to compare with ?
 
I wonder why your test levels are so low. You said liked liked the results of the cycle. I'm not sure how you made any gains with such low testosterone.
 
Milas said:
Bloodwork results from a 6 week Epistane pulse, 3x week.

Keep in mind these were taken at day 40 before starting PCT, on an off day from the pulse.

Test: 181 ng/dl (should be around 600)
Sorry, no FSH or LH numbers.

HDL: 26 (should be in the mid 40's)
LDL: 105 (normal, could be little lower)

AST: 21 (average around 40's)
ALT: 43 (average around 40's)

BP: 121/80 (normal)

Seems to me my HDL took a hit, everything else stayed the same for BP, LDL, liver and blood pressure, and my Test levels definitely fell on the lower end. I'm not sure if this implies I was getting shut down, but pretty low level!

Certainly not the "bounce" people talk about going to higher test levels, much the opposite. I was using CL Blue Up on off days and 6-bromo, but still didn't do much for me obviously. Not shut down completely, so it seems like it at least partially validates the claims?

Overall I enjoyed the cycle, but I think I'll stick to straight cycles and PCT. This way it removes the guess work, and probably better gains.

What do you think of these results?
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Ther results dont seem too clever to me and as regards HDL and test are bordering doing a normal cycle. Bloods and liver do seem good, but as we do know what would normally happen with your full cycles it is difficult to comment.

I must admit that I have gone on to full PCT following my 4 month adventure :)
Whilst I am certain that I didnt shut down I do feel it was close. Two weeks the gains are still holding up, although softening a little ;) To compare, on a full cycle I would have lost around 50% of them by now.

As regards bounce back, mine is in full flow and very evident with the acne I have breaking out...

Like you I enjoyed the cycle, but I am now looking into short (2week) cycles and may well try them next as it helps with my character flaw of getting carried away and not adhering to the dosing protocols lol
 
angelo212 said:
I wonder why your test levels are so low. You said liked liked the results of the cycle. I'm not sure how you made any gains with such low testosterone.
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I believe that the Epi acts as a testosterone "mimic" so to speak, which will create the gains by binding to receptors and increasing strength, protein synthesis, etc. The down side is your body thinks you have enough T (in the form of the PH/DS) and it shuts down it's own production (i.e., shutdown). Epi, I don't think, would not show up as T or elevated T in a blood test.

As I understand it, the challenge of PCT is bringing your T levels back up so you can maintain the gains once the "mimic" is gone. At 181 ng/dl of T, it would be hard to maintain gains, so we'll see what happens in my PCT if I get my T levels back up or not. So far I'm keeping almost all my strength, so that's a good sign my PCT is working.

I'm no expert on this, just what my little mind pieced together. Other more knowledgeable folks can step in and correct me where I'm wrong.
 
tosh124 said:
Ther results dont seem too clever to me and as regards HDL and test are bordering doing a normal cycle. Bloods and liver do seem good, but as we do know what would normally happen with your full cycles it is difficult to comment.

I must admit that I have gone on to full PCT following my 4 month adventure :)
Whilst I am certain that I didnt shut down I do feel it was close. Two weeks the gains are still holding up, although softening a little ;) To compare, on a full cycle I would have lost around 50% of them by now.

As regards bounce back, mine is in full flow and very evident with the acne I have breaking out...

Like you I enjoyed the cycle, but I am now looking into short (2week) cycles and may well try them next as it helps with my character flaw of getting carried away and not adhering to the dosing protocols lol
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Yeah, not sure how clear these results are, but definitely tells me that even Pulse cycles should be treated with caution and good preparation.

As for "bounce back", I was referring to earlier in this thread it was alluded to higher T levels while on cycle due to fluctuations caused by going on and off the Epi. I think that on cycle "bounce" was not present in my experience, but perhaps others are different.

Now that I'm off cycle and doing PCT, it is bouncing back just fine.

Another interesting point is that my Free Testosterone levels were at 3.3%, while normal was 1-2%. So, while Total Test was low, my free Test was in the normal range. Not sure what caused that...
 
Milas said:
At 181 ng/dl of T, it would be hard to maintain gains, so we'll see what happens in my PCT if I get my T levels back up or not.
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If I might ask, how old are you? With levels this low, I would assume you are an older lifter. Have you considered TRT to raise your T levels? :thinking:

IIRC a normal T level is anywhere from 300 to 600 ng/dl. You need to get your test up......quick!!!
 
thundergod said:
If I might ask, how old are you? With levels this low, I would assume you are an older lifter. Have you considered TRT to raise your T levels? :thinking:

IIRC a normal T level is anywhere from 300 to 600 ng/dl. You need to get your test up......quick!!!
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I'm 29, but I believe the low T level was due to being on a pulse cycle of Epi. I'm going to go back in for blood work at the end of my PCT to check, but so far it feels like my T level is back up where it should be.

Incidentally, the doc who did the blood test prescribed Androgel for TRT, giving me 2 months worth and then come back in. However, I'm thinking Androgel would be the last thing I want since I want my HPTA to get fired back up and produce it naturally, not exogenously.

If I supplement pure T via Androgel, then my body would stop it's own production again, right? I'd be better off with SERM or test boosters to start up again.
 
Milas said:
If I supplement pure T via Androgel, then my body would stop it's own production again, right? I'd be better off with SERM or test boosters to start up again.
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you are correct, but i'd go ahead and pick up the androgel, and you can use it while on cycle sometime in the future to feel good. Goes well with superdrol. Keep in mind though that you have to be really cautious about spreading it by contact with women + children.
 
Milas said:
I'm 29, but I believe the low T level was due to being on a pulse cycle of Epi. I'm going to go back in for blood work at the end of my PCT to check, but so far it feels like my T level is back up where it should be.

Incidentally, the doc who did the blood test prescribed Androgel for TRT, giving me 2 months worth and then come back in. However, I'm thinking Androgel would be the last thing I want since I want my HPTA to get fired back up and produce it naturally, not exogenously.

If I supplement pure T via Androgel, then my body would stop it's own production again, right? I'd be better off with SERM or test boosters to start up again.
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Providing you can get your test levels back up to normal levels again, then I would say yes. Test-Boosters, SERMS, and some AI's could even help. But if your levels don't come back up after 4 to 6 months, then I would seriously consider TRT as an option. Yes, this will stop your natural production and you are still young. But you won't make the gains you're after with your test levels in the basement. Not to mention other qualities of life that are attributed to normal test levels. Your mood, your energy, your libido, etc.....

Once you start on the path of TRT then you must continue it. I'd start off with that 2 month supply of Andro-Gel that the doc gave you. Then I would consider 200 mg of Test-Cyp weekly to keep your levels up.
Good luck brother.
 
Milas said:
I believe that the Epi acts as a testosterone "mimic" so to speak, which will create the gains by binding to receptors and increasing strength, protein synthesis, etc. The down side is your body thinks you have enough T (in the form of the PH/DS) and it shuts down it's own production (i.e., shutdown). Epi, I don't think, would not show up as T or elevated T in a blood test.

As I understand it, the challenge of PCT is bringing your T levels back up so you can maintain the gains once the "mimic" is gone. At 181 ng/dl of T, it would be hard to maintain gains, so we'll see what happens in my PCT if I get my T levels back up or not. So far I'm keeping almost all my strength, so that's a good sign my PCT is working.

I'm no expert on this, just what my little mind pieced together. Other more knowledgeable folks can step in and correct me where I'm wrong.
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Had to edit. I forgot you were pulsing and my comments made no sense.
 
Well, everyone knows in here that epi and superdrol are good ones to pulse. Other's I've pulsed with success is m 1,4 add, dymethazine, phera-plex, protodrol, M-1A, the one, and protodrol. However, I've had to stack 60-90 mg of tren or 50-100 mg of 13 ethyl (max lmg) with it though to get a really strong anabolic effect. And I did the dhea and 6-bromo stack on my off days-3 days a week.
 
brahmabull said:
Well, everyone knows in here that epi and superdrol are good ones to pulse. Other's I've pulsed with success is m 1,4 add, dymethazine, phera-plex, protodrol, M-1A, the one, and protodrol. However, I've had to stack 60-90 mg of tren or 50-100 mg of 13 ethyl (max lmg) with it though to get a really strong anabolic effect. And I did the dhea and 6-bromo stack on my off days-3 days a week.
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Tell me how you used the phera in a pulse if you don't mind? What was the length? dose? your weight gained? Weight before you started?
 
I used 20 mg of phera 3 x a week stacked with 90 mg of tren. 10 mg pre-workout with 30 mgs of tren and 10 mg of phera with 30 mgs of post-workout. An additional 30 mg of tren was taken either in the a.m or p.m at least 8 hours either before or after my workout. I only did this on weight training days and on my days off I took 2 caps of ES3 one pill in the a.m and one pill in the p.m along with 50 mg of dhea (a.m/p.m dose). Max out! was taken 3 x a day (a.m, preworkout, p.m) throughout the cycle as well. My cycle lasted for 6 weeks and my starting weight was 175 lbs and I ended with a weight of 190 lbs. Oh, the only oral steroids I couldn't pulse were furazadrol, halodrol, and p-stanz.
 
Milas said:
Bloodwork results from a 6 week Epistane pulse, 3x week.

Keep in mind these were taken at day 40 before starting PCT, on an off day from the pulse.

Test: 181 ng/dl (should be around 600)
Sorry, no FSH or LH numbers.

HDL: 26 (should be in the mid 40's)
LDL: 105 (normal, could be little lower)

AST: 21 (average around 40's)
ALT: 43 (average around 40's)

BP: 121/80 (normal)

Seems to me my HDL took a hit, everything else stayed the same for BP, LDL, liver and blood pressure, and my Test levels definitely fell on the lower end. I'm not sure if this implies I was getting shut down, but pretty low level!

Certainly not the "bounce" people talk about going to higher test levels, much the opposite. I was using CL Blue Up on off days and 6-bromo, but still didn't do much for me obviously. Not shut down completely, so it seems like it at least partially validates the claims?

Overall I enjoyed the cycle, but I think I'll stick to straight cycles and PCT. This way it removes the guess work, and probably better gains.

What do you think of these results?
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you were definitely somewhat shutdown but the liver and cholesterol levels look great considering you ran a methylated steroid for 6 weeks.

while 180 is sub-normal, it's still quite high compared to 'complete' shutdown which can be 0-50. i would imagine it's much easier to go from 180 back to 400-600 than it is to go from 30. my experience with pulsing is i have a week or two of lowered libido during pct, then it bounces back usually accompanied by some acne.

it seems wise to run a real PCT after a pulse however. the main benefits IMO are slower but more keepable gains, and a reduction in sides.
 
I read this whole thread and it is fantastic, I am actually going to be starting an 3 day a week epi pulse in 2 weeks...

My question is do you think it is ok to have a drink here and there on the weekend, like a beer on a saturday night, which would be about 36 hours after the last dose of epi? I am not planning on drinking because safety is important, but I am curious. My lifting partner wants to try this too but his concern is alcohol, since he tends to binge 1 night a week, I of course told him he is not ready for a cycle.
 
jayts22 said:
I read this whole thread and it is fantastic, I am actually going to be starting an 3 day a week epi pulse in 2 weeks...

My question is do you think it is ok to have a drink here and there on the weekend, like a beer on a saturday night, which would be about 36 hours after the last dose of epi? I am not planning on drinking because safety is important, but I am curious. My lifting partner wants to try this too but his concern is alcohol, since he tends to binge 1 night a week, I of course told him he is not ready for a cycle.
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You said "a beer" which means one. IMO that's fine especially since you will be taking the compound for only 3 days a week. Going on a drinking binge once a week no way. Of course people will say they drank every week on cycle etc but why risk anything. IMO a 3 day a week epi cycle will not effect 2 to 3 beers 1 night a week. We'll see what others say. The problem is if you drink to excess you might not get you protein quota in the next day or you meals or even your workout. I say don't drink for the whole cycle and pulse doing 2 days on 2 days off. Just sayen.
 
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