How to "pulse" orals

Dr.D Question big man and anybody else. What about taking ph one week on one week off? something similar to that i guess.
 
SRS2000 said:
I just finished a pulse cycle of e-stane 3-4x/week for 4 weeks. I didn't take any natural "test boosters" during or after the cycle. I gained ~3-5 lbs. and my strength went up, so I was happy with the cycle. I had no side effects whatsoever.
I'm in the first week off and my weight and strength are still steady and I feel perfectly normal. I don't see any reason why your approach wouldn't work since you are taking every other week off. I've only done the one cycle so far, so take my experience for what it's worth.
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Hiya SRS,
is there any reason you only did the cycle for 4 weeks?
What you have achieved is exactly what I am looking for, but over a longer period of time. The other effect I have noticed is the feeling of well being I get when on cycle, its like turning the clock back 10 yrs lol. But bear in mind I am 43 so I need all the help I can get :)
thanks guys
 
tosh124 said:
Hiya SRS,
is there any reason you only did the cycle for 4 weeks?
What you have achieved is exactly what I am looking for, but over a longer period of time. The other effect I have noticed is the feeling of well being I get when on cycle, its like turning the clock back 10 yrs lol. But bear in mind I am 43 so I need all the help I can get :)
thanks guys
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I only went 4 weeks because it is my first cycle and because I wanted to minimize any risk of shutdown. I also figured modest gains over 4 weeks or so would be easier to maintain. I'm also looking to avoid any big convoluted PCT regimen. Had I been willing to do that, I would have done a full cycle. The plan is to do 4 weeks on (pulsed) and 4-5 weeks off for a while. I'm also start mixing in some P-Plex and M-Drol and decreasing the E-stane with my next cycle. This will allow me modulate the relative "strength" of the cycle. I felt pretty good as well (I'm 34), but nothing way different than normal. I did feel the "rebound" effect a bit on my off days though.
 
SRS2000 said:
I only went 4 weeks because it is my first cycle and because I wanted to minimize any risk of shutdown. I also figured modest gains over 4 weeks or so would be easier to maintain. I'm also looking to avoid any big convoluted PCT regimen. Had I been willing to do that, I would have done a full cycle. The plan is to do 4 weeks on (pulsed) and 4-5 weeks off for a while. I'm also start mixing in some P-Plex and M-Drol and decreasing the E-stane with my next cycle. This will allow me modulate the relative "strength" of the cycle. I felt pretty good as well (I'm 34), but nothing way different than normal. I did feel the "rebound" effect a bit on my off days though.
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:thanks: SRS
I'm happier with smaller gains over longer period of time, but here in the UK pulsing seems to be frowned upon. :lol5:
 
Guys, has anybody looked into wether there are any other good compounds to take on a Pulse? i mean apart from SD/Epi. Im not convinced on touching any progestin/Dht based substances at the moment, plannning on running a full cycle of some h-drol for my first cycle, and then to run pulse cycles there after.

Any ideas?
 
There isn't much out there anymore that isn't progestin/dht based honestly. Particularly because with gyno fears nobody wants anything that aromatises.... Maybe m1,4add would work on a pulse.
 
Nobody? one week on one week off cycle. week on would be pulsing on 3/4 workout days. Same concept or too long of a break?
 
Easy, I see what you mean. Just a little sad that Epi/SD still kicks off gyno in people even though its not meant to be estrogenic. I think if i was to ever touch Epi it wud just be on a pulse. Meanwhile im gonna see how a nice cycle of H-drol treats me :)

madds87 said:
Nobody? one week on one week off cycle. week on would be pulsing on 3/4 workout days. Same concept or too long of a break?
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Interesting view for sure...Some thoughts on that would be good.
 
WilteredFire said:
Easy, I see what you mean. Just a little sad that Epi/SD still kicks off gyno in people even though its not meant to be estrogenic. I think if i was to ever touch Epi it wud just be on a pulse. Meanwhile im gonna see how a nice cycle of H-drol treats me :)
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well, but I think the majority of the issue is PCT, rather than the cycle itself. Most of those cases dont get gyno during the cycle, but after.... And i'm not necessarily saying insufficient PCT, but rather incorrect or overdoing pct is more likely
 
EasyEJL said:
sounds good really. a nice slow gain over time, but likely easier to keep
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I don't think I've seen anyone mention having tried it. Someone should give it a whirl and maybe keep a log to let us know how it goes. I'd be interested in seeing what the results were.
 
madds87 said:
Dr.D Question big man and anybody else. What about taking ph one week on one week off? something similar to that i guess.
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Yes, it's workable. 1on 1off, 2on 2off, I've seen guys do it successfully. I call it more of a 'mini cycle' than a pulse though. The principle is the same, just a longer wavelength.
 
nightfly71 said:
I don't think I've seen anyone mention having tried it. Someone should give it a whirl and maybe keep a log to let us know how it goes. I'd be interested in seeing what the results were.
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I mentioned it as the 3'rd common option in the original post guidelines. I think most guys were choosing this option in the beginning, but it does seem less employed now.
 
It's been so long since I read the beginning of the thread that I've probably forgotton a few of the basics by now. My bad.
 
3on/4 off with slingshot schedule

Hi all,
I am considering doing the sling shot training shedule, with a little anabolic lift :)

The STS has
-2 weeks "priming" without any supps
-4 weeks "blasting", which I am going to supplement with Mon/Wed/Fri 20mg Epi & Tues/Thurs/Sat, low dose Cissus Drol to make sure that the nat test doesn't suffer
-2 weeks "cruising", which I am going to supplement with a low does CD again

My aims are to lean out a little whilst slowly putting on some lean mass. The other advantages being that I would avoid PCT (although I do have some nolva to hand), the gains would be for keeps rather than dissipating during PCT and the costs would be lower as the Epi last longer.

Has anyone tried doing either the pulse in that way or the STS without Epi?
What are your thoughts on doing 2/3 cycles without PCT?

thanks for your help!
 
DR.D said:
Yes, it's workable. 1on 1off, 2on 2off, I've seen guys do it successfully. I call it more of a 'mini cycle' than a pulse though. The principle is the same, just a longer wavelength.
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Ive done 2 weeks on 2 weeks off with 20mg havoc daily
and clen+usp labs tna on off weeks

along with prime 4 pills a day all throughout

fantatsic results and no shutdown. did this cycle 3 times untill iran out of havoc :-)
 
Just to share some results from my recent pulse. I did approx. 3 months pulsing MDHT and and epi clone 3x per week. Felt great the whole time and slowly/steadily increased strength, losing just a bit of weight recomp. style, which was intended.

I'm doing a standard PCT just to make sure everything bounces back just right, especially since this extended longer than I originally planned for. Im about 9 days into PCT now and strength is still going up, still looking very solid in the mirror.

It was my second pulse and I was very happy w/ the results. I plan to give it probably two months after PCT and then do another cycle of some sort probably in August.
 
nightfly71 said:
Just to share some results from my recent pulse. I did approx. 3 months pulsing MDHT and and epi clone 3x per week. Felt great the whole time and slowly/steadily increased strength, losing just a bit of weight recomp. style, which was intended.

I'm doing a standard PCT just to make sure everything bounces back just right, especially since this extended longer than I originally planned for. Im about 9 days into PCT now and strength is still going up, still looking very solid in the mirror.

It was my second pulse and I was very happy w/ the results. I plan to give it probably two months after PCT and then do another cycle of some sort probably in August.
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Hey bro...can you provide some details as to what you're doing as a PCT? Thanks in advance.
 
Ninjo said:
Hey bro...can you provide some details as to what you're doing as a PCT? Thanks in advance.
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Sure. I'm doing 40/30/20/20 nolva (dosed mornings), 200/200/100/100 DHEA (split into 2 doses breakfast and lunch), 1 cap per night of SNS Inhibit E (ATD) w/ some good fats, and about 800-1000 mg. 60% bulk tribulus just to jumpstart libido, since I got a good deal on it.
 
So I heve been pre loading and reading for a few weeks..well reading for more.I am bout 18-20 % bf and I am thinking of pulsing epi next week.I will be using inhibit -e and slin sane along with it. lookin @ m,t. w off t.f .. would it be ok to do cardio on the off days since they are recovery days?I will take cycle support throughout... I would like to get some lean gains out of it but also use the off days to burn fat through cardio. I know its a bit higher bf than usual but I think pulsing w/ theses added supps might be perfect trial for me
 
nightfly71 said:
Just to share some results from my recent pulse. I did approx. 3 months pulsing MDHT and and epi clone 3x per week. Felt great the whole time and slowly/steadily increased strength, losing just a bit of weight recomp. style, which was intended.

I'm doing a standard PCT just to make sure everything bounces back just right, especially since this extended longer than I originally planned for. Im about 9 days into PCT now and strength is still going up, still looking very solid in the mirror.

It was my second pulse and I was very happy w/ the results. I plan to give it probably two months after PCT and then do another cycle of some sort probably in August.
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Hi Nightfly,
thanks for the information, thats exactly what I am looking to do. I do have a question or two for you tho :)
did you shut down & if so at what point?
did you experience any sides?
very many thanks!
 
tosh124 said:
Hi Nightfly,
thanks for the information, thats exactly what I am looking to do. I do have a question or two for you tho :)
did you shut down & if so at what point?
did you experience any sides?
very many thanks!
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Didn't really see much in the way of sides or shutdown. I'm sure I had to be shut down to some extent by the end, but it didn't really seem so. I'd still get erections and stuff, so I had function.

I really think pulsing is the way to go as far as making steady progress while not having many sides. Hope your's goes well.
 
nightfly71 said:
Didn't really see much in the way of sides or shutdown. I'm sure I had to be shut down to some extent by the end, but it didn't really seem so. I'd still get erections and stuff, so I had function.

I really think pulsing is the way to go as far as making steady progress while not having many sides. Hope your's goes well.
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thanks mate. I'm looking forward to mine, I just need to give it 2/3 more weeks before I start as I have recently finished pct :)
I'll post my results later in summer as it may help others ;)
thanks again for your experiences
 
I am looking to start an E-Stane pulse next Monday and wondering what would be the best dosing to follow? When should I take each pill and how much?
 
Just wondering if i would get any benefit from pulsing 10 mg of havoc 4 times a week, pre workout. Is this to weak to even notice a slight gain? Thanks in advance.
 
That might depend on whether you've ever used the product before. Often, the first time you use a compound you'll have more reaction than you will later.

Usually pulsing calls for a little higher than normal dose, but it might depend on how long you were planning to run it. A longer, lower dosed pulse might yield a little less in the way of gains but they wiould be easier to maintain. A lower dose might not provide much mass gain, but would probably allow for a slow, steady increase in strength, allowing you to frequently add a few lbs to all your lifts.

That kind of cycle would allow you to gain a decent amount of mass in a roundabout way since you were exposing the muscles to ongoing progressive resistance rather than hitting the usual plateaus. As long as you were eating enough to support accompanying gains from the increased lifts, you'd end up gaining enough mass to notice while keeping sides to an absolute minimum. I'd say try it and see what it does for you.
 
anybody have any info on how bad the hormonal swings are from on days to off? I dont want to tear heads off that dont need it. thx
 
Just wanted to let everyone know that I'm on day three of a 3on/4off epi pulse, and I'll be using sustain for the first two off days for the benzoflavone, then PCS for the second two off days. I'll use a TRS for PCT. I'm also running cycle support and I3C throughout the cycle and PCT. It'll be around six weeks, depending on how I feel it might be shorter, maybe longer. This is my first pulse, my only other cycle was a standard epi run of four weeks at 30mgs about a year ago.
 
Irish_Rogue said:
Just started my pulse with PP & SD 3x per week along with 1-T lotion (everyday).
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would like to see the gains on this one, and will you be doing any PCT, as i might be interested in trying this run as well, i have the Tokkyo s-drol just waiting, and was thinking about CEL p-plex, never thought about the test lotion, as i do orals only. i have a great diet that i follow.
 
lyfespan said:
would like to see the gains on this one, and will you be doing any PCT, as i might be interested in trying this run as well, i have the Tokkyo s-drol just waiting, and was thinking about CEL p-plex, never thought about the test lotion, as i do orals only. i have a great diet that i follow.
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Been on a week, so far nothing crazy, but I do feel the rush on my pulse days. Diet is spot on and lifiting 3 days per week. PCT will not be crazy, doing PCS and Formex. I have some SERM on standby just incase but do not think I will need it. But to each their own mate.
 
rampegg said:
What happened to the guys doing CKD/UD2.0 2on/5off pulse? How did it go guys?
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I did the UD 2.0 2on/5off pulse with Havoc [20 mg pre and 20 mg post throughout] for six weeks...went extremely well...leaned out nicely and strength actually went up (which was a bonus as I would have been happy to just maintain strength while cutting)...very little, if any, noticeable shutdown...didn't get bloodwork done this time around though so who knows...used low dose Nolva as PCT for two weeks (i.e. 20/10) and ramped up some ATD to 50 mg for an additional couple of weeks before tapering to 25 mg...seemed to do the trick as the "boys" are normal size.

I took two weeks off the UD 2.0 and ate at maintenance but still tried to manage insulin levels...gained about 1.5 lbs. but maintained the same bf %...I really want to do another pulse using the UD 2.0 in the coming weeks but I want to give the methyls a rest this time...I'm considering using a similar dosing protocol (i.e. 2on/5off) with 600 mg oral 4AD pre- and 600mg oral 4AD post-workout...still have some expired Ergopharm stuff in the freezer I'd like to use up...I will likely run 2 sprays of E-form throughout (like I did on the Havoc pulse) to manage any possible conversion of test to estrogen.

If anyone is interested, I'll post the exact protocol sometime in the next couple of weeks so you guys can critique.
 
Question for Dr D if he has time but anyone can chime in. Just trying to get feedback on my pulse.


Hello Dr D,
Dont know if you got my first PM. Just checked my sent box and it was empty???

Any way just wanted your thoughts on my pulse in which I am about to commence in a few day.


Been taking Livercare from Myogenics about two weeks now and just started to take hawthorne berries two days ago and just took a dose of DHEA today.

Will be pulsing HAVOC on Mondays, Tues and Thurs (if not Thursdays then Friday which ever my schedule at work and family time allows).

The other days are off days. Now I have bought NOVADEX XT by recommendation of my local vitamin shop guy and was wanting to know if this could be implemented in my pulse as an AI/Testbooster.


If so then should I take it only on off days? Is the length of off days too long in between ON days.


I have NOXplode and Cell Mass, protein powders, multi, and fish oils. How do I implement these or do I need these on cycle?

Should I get a trib as well.


I am currently at 208 lbs down from 230 about a few months ago and this will be my first PH cylcel ever.

work out sched:

Mon: Chest, back and abs
Tues: Tri's, Bi's, shoulders and abs
Thurs or Friday: Chest, back and abs and continue in this fashion on work our days so no one specific day will be only set for a specific body part.

Will be eating clean and may have a day or two of cheat days for family nights but even then will chose the best "health/clean" food for me.


Need to keep the dong going for my wife will the NOVEDEX XT help???



Your thoughts and suggestions.


Thanks for your time

Galatians 6:9
 
W8TS4ME said:
Question for Dr D if he has time but anyone can chime in. Just trying to get feedback on my pulse.


Hello Dr D,
Dont know if you got my first PM. Just checked my sent box and it was empty???

Any way just wanted your thoughts on my pulse in which I am about to commence in a few day.


Been taking Livercare from Myogenics about two weeks now and just started to take hawthorne berries two days ago and just took a dose of DHEA today.

Will be pulsing HAVOC on Mondays, Tues and Thurs (if not Thursdays then Friday which ever my schedule at work and family time allows).

The other days are off days. Now I have bought NOVADEX XT by recommendation of my local vitamin shop guy and was wanting to know if this could be implemented in my pulse as an AI/Testbooster.


If so then should I take it only on off days? Is the length of off days too long in between ON days.


I have NOXplode and Cell Mass, protein powders, multi, and fish oils. How do I implement these or do I need these on cycle?

Should I get a trib as well.


I am currently at 208 lbs down from 230 about a few months ago and this will be my first PH cylcel ever.

work out sched:

Mon: Chest, back and abs
Tues: Tri's, Bi's, shoulders and abs
Thurs or Friday: Chest, back and abs and continue in this fashion on work our days so no one specific day will be only set for a specific body part.

Will be eating clean and may have a day or two of cheat days for family nights but even then will chose the best "health/clean" food for me.


Need to keep the dong going for my wife will the NOVEDEX XT help???



Your thoughts and suggestions.


Thanks for your time

Galatians 6:9
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What is your cycle length and doses?
 
W8TS4ME said:
going to give it no more than 6 weeks.

Will be starting off with:

week 1: 10/20/30
week 2: 20/20/20
week 3: 20/20/30
week 4: 30/30/30
week 5: 30/30/30
week 6: 30/20/10


thoughts????
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Just wondering why you are ramping up to 30 mg the first week and then going back down to 20 mg in week 2; doesn't really make sense to me. Even though it's your first pulse, you can probably go as high as 40 mg per day (i.e. 20 mg pre- and 20 mg post-workout) with no problems. I recently did this on a two day a week pulse with havoc and I weigh a lot less than you. The thing about using the pulse method is that you can use slightly higher dosages of these compounds than you would on a straight cycle because you're only dosing a few times per week. Good luck.
 
Ninjo said:
Just wondering why you are ramping up to 30 mg the first week and then going back down to 20 mg in week 2; doesn't really make sense to me. Even though it's your first pulse, you can probably go as high as 40 mg per day (i.e. 20 mg pre- and 20 mg post-workout) with no problems. I recently did this on a two day a week pulse with havoc and I weigh a lot less than you. The thing about using the pulse method is that you can use slightly higher dosages of these compounds than you would on a straight cycle because you're only dosing a few times per week. Good luck.
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Just was thinking to be on the safer side but yeah you are correct. I read to where at 40 thats where the potential of sides are more prevalent. I am not expecting any sides but again will just do no more than 30. So you suggest ramp up to 30 and end at 30?
 
W8TS4ME said:
Question for Dr D if he has time but anyone can chime in. Just trying to get feedback on my pulse.


Hello Dr D,
Dont know if you got my first PM. Just checked my sent box and it was empty???

Any way just wanted your thoughts on my pulse in which I am about to commence in a few day.


Been taking Livercare from Myogenics about two weeks now and just started to take hawthorne berries two days ago and just took a dose of DHEA today.

Will be pulsing HAVOC on Mondays, Tues and Thurs (if not Thursdays then Friday which ever my schedule at work and family time allows).

The other days are off days. Now I have bought NOVADEX XT by recommendation of my local vitamin shop guy and was wanting to know if this could be implemented in my pulse as an AI/Testbooster.


If so then should I take it only on off days? Is the length of off days too long in between ON days.


I have NOXplode and Cell Mass, protein powders, multi, and fish oils. How do I implement these or do I need these on cycle?

Should I get a trib as well.


I am currently at 208 lbs down from 230 about a few months ago and this will be my first PH cylcel ever.

work out sched:

Mon: Chest, back and abs
Tues: Tri's, Bi's, shoulders and abs
Thurs or Friday: Chest, back and abs and continue in this fashion on work our days so no one specific day will be only set for a specific body part.

Will be eating clean and may have a day or two of cheat days for family nights but even then will chose the best "health/clean" food for me.


Need to keep the dong going for my wife will the NOVEDEX XT help???



Your thoughts and suggestions.


Thanks for your time

Galatians 6:9
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I didn't see leg training included in your routine. Was that a typo or do you not train legs?
 
W8TS4ME said:
Cool thanks bro for pointing this out.


Any other inputs?


How about using the NOVEDEX XT on OFF days?

Is it required or even a good idea?

Should I take fish oils with Havoc on ON days??
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It looks good to me. I don't think you'd have estrogen issues w/ this plan though. Because of that, I don't think you'd need the XT on off days. I would say use the fish oil flax oils every day, however, not just the days when you're on.
 
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