Yes just to clear that up...and look cool :twisted:
Sometimes it is just best to call it quits...as many of us say, listen to your body and if it was me, I would just quit and allow my body to recover...plus it's just a pulse also so should be easier to just "quit" with no PCT either...(in theory)
What were your dosages dude? I think a lot of people dose too low with their pulse. You can't take the normal doses on a pulse and it be effective. I normally double my regular dose for a pulse cycle, or at least close to it. If it is an epi cycle for instance, if 30 mg. would be your normal dosages for everyday, then on a pulse take 50 or 60 mg. 3 days per week. I would take 30 mg. 1 hour pre-workout and the other 20 mg. 1 hour after the workout. This is only how I do it mind you. Everyone is different! :wave:
I ended up taking a week off because my shoulders took quite a beating and it hurt just to do light weight. Felt like the hulk with weight so learned the hard way...One week and I'm back to normal...feeling normal while lifting anyways...no inflammation I mean. I ended up extending my cycle to 8 wk pulse of Havoc...
Agreed since it is a pulse and by the week if you add up the amount of compound ingested it still wouldn't compare if done at 40 for 7 days (280mg) compared to 60 or so at 3x/wk (180mg). I ended up jumping to 50-60 and had great success with that...
How did you take the wk off? Continue pulsing or what?
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Get right back on the horse brother. Don't stop a good thing. You're gaining so keep going! You'll be fine. Time enough for PCT after this thrill ride is over!:twisted: I'd up it to 50 mg. here on out. 30 mg. pre-workout and the other 20 mg. after. Have a great cycle friend!!
Great plan Bro. Your shoulders will still be worked indirectly while you work your chest anyway. Can't take them out of the picture while doing presses for your chest. The rest will work wonders for them. I wouldn't be surprised if they even grow somewhat from the rest and indirect work. 50 mg. will be your sweet-spot IMHO!! Go for it and finish this thing like a champ!!:head:
I'm guessing you figured it out by now but DHEA/fenugreek/maca will bring your libido back in most cases. Add just a little yohimbe too for "situational" improvement.
Yes, it's well suited for off days.
Hey newb -- welcome to the forum.
That's how the pulse works though. 30-45mg is perfect for that compound.
Reread the first post of the protocol. You need a higher dose to really get the most of it (about 1.5x the normal daily dose), but it's taken only half the time (~3 days/wk) so it's still very economical and safe. For what you get from it, it's a good deal even at the higher doses.
So where's your log B! You tried it yet?
The first time you try it, you'll be surprised at how well it really works. I think most fellas are.
I like your attitude! Very positive. It's wise to be conservative by default, but sometimes you have to push yourself, just to know what you're made of. Get back on the horse and adapt, learn, improve, and never give up.
I used it last summer in a pulse, but not as the pulser, as the off day anti-cort. The off day retention is amazing with adreno. I have even skipped training for 2wks straight and not lost a single step when I started back. Shutdown simply didn't happen either with any dose at any time length of use, but I agree you should keep it to conventional doses for moderate lengths only, or pulse it, but the off day applications are where I found the real beauty in this compound. Not to mention the fat loss, great stuff for a cut. There is no finer or cleaner precontest/dieting supp out there.hey dr d, any point pulsing adrenosterone? not like its very suppressive at reasonable doses, but figured its worth asking
hmm so a 6 week of epi 3x a week on full body workouts with adreno and hdx2 on offdays would be a winner. nifty, I have all of the above handy
Test E. is one of the very worst as far as shutdown. At 500/wk, you will be very shutdown in just 2-3wks I think. Stacking an AI on cycle helps with that and the MFX is certainly a good idea to maximize your test on cycle or support SHBG and recovery, libido, etc. after a cycle.
Just curious but with your pulsing style are you taking the SD 3 days straight with 4 off days then repeat?
Hey J, good to be posting again. I'd suggest starting at 50 and going from there. That's probably the minimum for a guy your size. 50,60,60,70... might be a more realistic scheme for a 1-2 month pulse plan of that particular compound.
Gotcha that's what I figured. So would you suggest the EOD approach or 3days on 4 off, 1 day on 2 off, 2 on 2 off ect... What do ya think or is it splitting hairs?
What's your job? All this discussion is in the realms of hypothetical fantasy, but if you want to get real about it, I certainly would not risk my job, family or personal health with anything illegal. It's just not worth the risk.
Yeah, it does make a slight difference in the long run. These are the most optimal:
Yes, it's been debated vigorously yet sporadically in many places on and off this thread! People complain that this is a flaw to the method, but it's actually an essential character of it. Fluctuation is not a problem with the pulse method, it IS the pulse method.
I don't hear this argument much anymore though. I think there's plenty of feedback validating the claims of the protocol now. Those claims being that it is more safe and economical than standard cycles and still amazingly effective with minimal libido, liver and HDL impact. It's not for all but it's very suitable for many.
whoa whoa, who's this guy, coming in here acting like he knows stuff and answering quetions? lol jk. What up doc? Where ya been? don't call, don't write, im feelin unloved. Good to see you again D. Can't wait to see what you have instore for us in the near future.
Haha, what's up aspire? Good to see you guys again!
Been working on a lot of cool new stuff, it'll make up for my absence. 
So who are you working with these days, D?Haha, what's up aspire? Good to see you guys again!
I was dating this chick who had me tied up in the basement as her personal love slave, but I managed to finally escape and get back on the boards.
Interesting method. I'm just now getting back into the gym, a month after having minor surgery (umbilical hernia repiar). I didn't lose much weight, but did lose some visible tone, etc.Yes Sir, great post! Once you "get it", and it's clear you have got it, you could pulse perpetually indeed, or for all practical purposes for a very long time at least. I like the 3/4 split too, you're not alone there my friend.
And I'm still here! Just been in the lab working on some new stuff. Designing a new test booster and stim for example.
Yes, first thing in the morning and no later than noon if you're specifically trying to avoid shutdown. It'll buy you a little more time that way. In general, work with the body's natural rhythms if you'd like to minimize disrupting them.
Why, are you guys hiring?
With a 3/4 split, I like:
What's up T1! Good to be back brother.Hey D! Great to see you back man!
Oh yeeeah, I'm back. I see your still 'nanners my man, plus you and your bro got good rep jobs now. Hook me up man! lol
Yes, still need a test booster. Adreno doesn't boost test really (maybe a little bit at lower doses but that's just theoretical.) It's just a nice, non-suppressive bridger and anti-catabolic that happens to have significant anabolic properties as well.
Dr.D--- Good test boosters are as hard to come by as good women it seems these days. What exactly would you consider a "good" test-booster:think:? I've tried many, and disliked most!! I'm experimenting with bulk testofen powder right now. It's early, but it seems to be working better than divanil, icariin, and some of the other popular items. Do you have any preferences?
