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Cool. What flavour is it?We hit a slight delay that was out of our control. It’s so close I can taste it though!
Cool. What flavour is it?We hit a slight delay that was out of our control. It’s so close I can taste it though!
Cool. What flavour is it?We hit a slight delay that was out of our control. It’s so close I can taste it though!
Which is another way of saying it will be another 3 months. I love BLR products but hate how you guys draw things out. It’s a big turn off. Better off not saying anything until the release is set or definite.
This thread started back in April if I’m correct. I’m less excited now then I was then because it’s been drawn out so much...I don’t even believe it will be here this year. I’m just being honest on how I’m feeling. Like I said I love your product but hate the way you market them.

Which is another way of saying it will be another 3 months. I love BLR products but hate how you guys draw things out. It’s a big turn off. Better off not saying anything until the release is set or definite.
This thread started back in April if I’m correct. I’m less excited now then I was then because it’s been drawn out so much...I don’t even believe it will be here this year. I’m just being honest on how I’m feeling. Like I said I love your product but hate the way you market them.
Cool. What flavour is it?
It would be great if you had something like a tart lemon flavor. I realize that is reaching, but would be great to sip on on hot sweaty days.
It would be great if you had something like a tart lemon flavor. I realize that is reaching, but would be great to sip on on hot sweaty days.
Like Kat said we suggested tart flavors as well.
Have you sampled the PRE yet?
It would be great if you had something like a tart lemon flavor. I realize that is reaching, but would be great to sip on on hot sweaty days.
Several of us were suggesting tart flavors too!!
Lemonade Crystal Light worked perfectly as a flavoring system for me. It was really easy too!Like Kat said we suggested tart flavors as well.
No anxiously waiting for our chance!Have you sampled the PRE yet?
Lemonade Crystal Light worked perfectly as a flavoring system for me. It was really easy too!
It took me more time to write this than it did to flavor my sample. You guys need to contact Kraft Foods!
Dude, both sides are frustrating.I am pretty certain the delay is not due to flavoring, but due to last minute formula changes and the need for testing various scenerios. Otherwise brundel would not have started this thread with a long ago release date. It would be nice to have transparency, but dont expect BLR to be forthcoming.
Dude, both sides are frustrating.
You've got loyal and potential customers' patience tapering down. They want their product.
You've got reps watching the hype fade, and switching gears from hype to hold. They want the product in your hands as much as you, and theirs too.
What I dont get is where you pull your statement from? Have you ever had to see a product through from an idea all the way to fruition? It's incredibly daunting, and releasing a product late will always be better than saying "Damn, if I had only waited, it would have been perfect."
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Also deadass serious I bet a Strawberry Melonaide would be bangin'. Or White Cherry Grapefruit. I'd also be down for a limited run on a lavender flavor.
Dude, both sides are frustrating.
You've got loyal and potential customers' patience tapering down. They want their product.
You've got reps watching the hype fade, and switching gears from hype to hold. They want the product in your hands as much as you, and theirs too.
What I dont get is where you pull your statement from? Have you ever had to see a product through from an idea all the way to fruition? It's incredibly daunting, and releasing a product late will always be better than saying "Damn, if I had only waited, it would have been perfect."
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Also deadass serious I bet a Strawberry Melonaide would be bangin'. Or White Cherry Grapefruit. I'd also be down for a limited run on a lavender flavor.
Transperancy: the guys that were doing the flavor system took some unplanned vacation time, so Brundel, nor the reps had any samples in hand. With peak02 being one of the ingredients, brundel wanted the pre to be tasted/tested because peak02 is not the best tasting ingredient.I am pretty certain the delay is not due to flavoring, but due to last minute formula changes and the need for testing various scenerios. Otherwise brundel would not have started this thread with a long ago release date. It would be nice to have transparency, but dont expect BLR to be forthcoming.
Sorry, but if your statement is true, that says something is wrong on many levels. If I take unexpected vacation time while I'm working a major account and that account is counting on me to produce, well let's just say I would not have a job anymore.Transperancy: the guys that were doing the flavor system took some unplanned vacation time, so Brundel, nor the reps had any samples in hand. With peak02 being one of the ingredients, brundel wanted the pre to be tasted/tested because peak02 is not the best tasting ingredient.
Thanks for the edifying commentSorry, but if your statement is true, that says something is wrong on many levels. If I take unexpected vacation time while I'm working a major account and that account is counting on me to produce, well let's just say I would not have a job anymore.
Considering BLR is the account and the "flavoring company" is getting paid to produce results, it sounds fishy that they were like "hey let's take a vacation unexpectedly and leave our client (BLR) who is paying us to do something just waiting"... That's NOT how people do business. And if your statement is true, then what's that say about the manufacturers Brundel uses to produce his products? To me, it says that they are unreliable and kinda sketchy! This whole launch just doesn't seem right and if BLR wants to take anything away from this, it should be that this was more of a turn off overall then anticipated excitement as intended.
Sorry, but if your statement is true, that says something is wrong on many levels. If I take unexpected vacation time while I'm working a major account and that account is counting on me to produce, well let's just say I would not have a job anymore.
Considering BLR is the account and the "flavoring company" is getting paid to produce results, it sounds fishy that they were like "hey let's take a vacation unexpectedly and leave our client (BLR) who is paying us to do something just waiting"... That's NOT how people do business. And if your statement is true, then what's that say about the manufacturers Brundel uses to produce his products? To me, it says that they are unreliable and kinda sketchy! This whole launch just doesn't seem right and if BLR wants to take anything away from this, it should be that this was more of a turn off overall then anticipated excitement as intended.
I'm more pumped about the new anabolic than anything
Yes, in fact, I have seen many products all the way to fruitation. Unless one is exactly sure that the final formula is complete, you don't start threads like this - especially on the backs of threads that go back over a year about this pre-workout. Whatever the case, I have been supporting BLR since day 1 - and am looing forward to anything new from brundel - however it is marketed. Strawberry Melonaide sounds good!Dude, both sides are frustrating.
You've got loyal and potential customers' patience tapering down. They want their product.
You've got reps watching the hype fade, and switching gears from hype to hold. They want the product in your hands as much as you, and theirs too.
What I dont get is where you pull your statement from? Have you ever had to see a product through from an idea all the way to fruition? It's incredibly daunting, and releasing a product late will always be better than saying "Damn, if I had only waited, it would have been perfect."
Edit*
Also deadass serious I bet a Strawberry Melonaide would be bangin'. Or White Cherry Grapefruit. I'd also be down for a limited run on a lavender flavor.
Yes, in fact, I have seen many products all the way to fruitation. Unless one is exactly sure that the final formula is complete, you don't start threads like this - especially on the backs of threads that go back over a year about this pre-workout. Whatever the case, I have been supporting BLR in a big way since day 1 - and am looing forward to anything new from brundel - however it is introduced. Strawberry Melonaide sounds good!Dude, both sides are frustrating.
You've got loyal and potential customers' patience tapering down. They want their product.
You've got reps watching the hype fade, and switching gears from hype to hold. They want the product in your hands as much as you, and theirs too.
What I dont get is where you pull your statement from? Have you ever had to see a product through from an idea all the way to fruition? It's incredibly daunting, and releasing a product late will always be better than saying "Damn, if I had only waited, it would have been perfect."
Edit*
Also deadass serious I bet a Strawberry Melonaide would be bangin'. Or White Cherry Grapefruit. I'd also be down for a limited run on a lavender flavor.
Thanks for the edifying comment![]()
I would like to respond to this first off by saying, as I did before, that I love BLR products and I WILL buy this pre whenever it is finally launched.So because unexpected vacation is taken there is something wrong on many levels? Seems a bit irrational, no? What if there was a death in the family?
Furthermore, if you knew who it was flavoring this I dont think there would be any questions on reliability or sketchiness.
Listen, I get the frustrations, I do BUT launching a product isn’t ever a linear process of; Design product, contact supplier, source raws, product is made and all is well. If you look in every company forum here they have ALL had issues, it’s the nature of the business as a lot of these product releases rely on other people and businesses.
Lastly, lets keep in mind this is a preworkout and not a life saving medicine, so while delays are frustrating and it’s taking longer than expected let’s try and relax a bit and keep things rational.
One it is extremely bad etiquette to bring up another company in a companies subforum. Second anabolic effect has been talked about for A LOT longer than 2-3 weeks. Third, CEL and SNS are run by the same people. Which obviously means they have a lot more resources at their disposal than BLR which is ran by ONE MAN doing ALL the work. You came into the thread to essentially say you think Brundel and the reps are liars and not being truthful about the reason for delays. Sooooooooo im confused as to how you don't consider this bashingI would like to respond to this first off by saying, as I did before, that I love BLR products and I WILL buy this pre whenever it is finally launched.
With that being said, I have the right to express if I feel something is off.
To that, I’ve never heard of someone referring to time off due to a death as an “unexpected vacation” that is why I said what I said.
Second I know set backs happen often in any industry and the lack of transparency is one thing but for three months of absolutely zero info/transparency is a little suspect and just weird to me...
Before I get bashed for this post, like I said, this pre can come out 5 months from now and I’ll still be one of the first to buy it, so I’m not bashing on BLR at all! I’m just expressing my feelings that this entire 3 month tease has been off putting.
For instance, CEL teased their natural anabolic for 2-3 weeks then released it and let the product do the talking for itself. There was no long drawn out marketing and it sold out within the first week (if I’m correct) because it was done in a timely fashion.
I think as customers who buy your products we want to be informed of upcoming products, teased (to an extent), then have the product available so we can use it and let it do all the talking based on its effects and people’s review. That’s all.
I would like to respond to this first off by saying, as I did before, that I love BLR products and I WILL buy this pre whenever it is finally launched.
With that being said, I have the right to express if I feel something is off.
To that, I’ve never heard of someone referring to time off due to a death as an “unexpected vacation” that is why I said what I said.
Second I know set backs happen often in any industry and the lack of transparency is one thing but for three months of absolutely zero info/transparency is a little suspect and just weird to me...
Before I get bashed for this post, like I said, this pre can come out 5 months from now and I’ll still be one of the first to buy it, so I’m not bashing on BLR at all! I’m just expressing my feelings that this entire 3 month tease has been off putting.
For instance, CEL teased their natural anabolic for 2-3 weeks then released it and let the product do the talking for itself. There was no long drawn out marketing and it sold out within the first week (if I’m correct) because it was done in a timely fashion.
I think as customers who buy your products we want to be informed of upcoming products, teased (to an extent), then have the product available so we can use it and let it do all the talking based on its effects and people’s review. That’s all.
Several of us were suggesting tart flavors too!!
I know where to find one out of those dozen people.It is true unfortunately that the manufacturer facilitating the flavoring system did in fact decide to take a vacation at the exact time when raw materials arrived for them to be able to get to work. Not really in my control.
My guess is we will have flavor samples within a week and be ready to go to press in 2 maybe.
Once I have given flavor samples out to a dozen or so people just to get an idea what they think.
Be patient please. We are currrently at the mercy of the manufacturer.
It wont be long now though regardless. So hang in there.
On another note we are in final test phase of a new anabolic. It might see production right about the same time as the pre. Looks pretty tasty so far and we will have some new test results within 2 weeks.
Can you show a post from a BLR rep bashing someone? Or being mean spirited?Can I ask a silly question, but who in this thread reps for BLR? Do reps not have to put it in their signature anymore?
I pass through this thread about once every 2 weeks and any person who has a question or is asking for any update gets jumped on by 5 different posters. And it only happens in these BLR threads. This kind of stuff makes me never want to deal with this company because of its "reps". I like BLR and I like that he has innovative products and I am genuinely curious as to what he has up his sleeve for this one since its such a saturated market.
But this pitchfork and torch crowd mentality is super toxic and all you are doing is driving anyway anyone on the fringe of wanting to support this company. A rep should be there to be positive and answer peoples questions in a polite manor, not constantly fighting and talking down to people. Isn't this a forum where we are trying to learn and support one another?
And again anyone who would like to say I bash BLR please find 1 post of me bashing this company? I will wait
Can I ask a silly question, but who in this thread reps for BLR? Do reps not have to put it in their signature anymore?
I pass through this thread about once every 2 weeks and any person who has a question or is asking for any update gets jumped on by 5 different posters. And it only happens in these BLR threads. This kind of stuff makes me never want to deal with this company because of its "reps". I like BLR and I like that he has innovative products and I am genuinely curious as to what he has up his sleeve for this one since its such a saturated market.
But this pitchfork and torch crowd mentality is super toxic and all you are doing is driving anyway anyone on the fringe of wanting to support this company. A rep should be there to be positive and answer peoples questions in a polite manor, not constantly fighting and talking down to people. Isn't this a forum where we are trying to learn and support one another?
And again anyone who would like to say I bash BLR please find 1 post of me bashing this company? I will wait
Thank you for saying that!!!! That's why I didn't respond after my last post got bashed by a rep even after I said I LOVE BLR products and that I WILL buy the pre when it comes out. It's like if you don't praise everything they say, you get bashed even if its a legitimate concern. I never trashed BLR and I was told I was calling them liars even though I never said that. All I'm saying is they get extremely defensive which says a LOT in itself!!! Many other companies on this board that treat the people who are spending their hard-earned money on their products with much more respect....and watch, I'll probably get bashed for this post too.Can I ask a silly question, but who in this thread reps for BLR? Do reps not have to put it in their signature anymore?
I pass through this thread about once every 2 weeks and any person who has a question or is asking for any update gets jumped on by 5 different posters. And it only happens in these BLR threads. This kind of stuff makes me never want to deal with this company because of its "reps". I like BLR and I like that he has innovative products and I am genuinely curious as to what he has up his sleeve for this one since its such a saturated market.
But this pitchfork and torch crowd mentality is super toxic and all you are doing is driving anyway anyone on the fringe of wanting to support this company. A rep should be there to be positive and answer peoples questions in a polite manor, not constantly fighting and talking down to people. Isn't this a forum where we are trying to learn and support one another?
And again anyone who would like to say I bash BLR please find 1 post of me bashing this company? I will wait
Thank you for saying that!!!! That's why I didn't respond after my last post got bashed by a rep even after I said I LOVE BLR products and that I WILL buy the pre when it comes out. It's like if you don't praise everything they say, you get bashed even if its a legitimate concern. I never trashed BLR and I was told I was calling them liars even though I never said that. All I'm saying is they get extremely defensive which says a LOT in itself!!! Many other companies on this board that treat the people who are spending their hard-earned money on their products with much more respect....and watch, I'll probably get bashed for this post too.
Thank you for saying that!!!! That's why I didn't respond after my last post got bashed by a rep even after I said I LOVE BLR products and that I WILL buy the pre when it comes out. It's like if you don't praise everything they say, you get bashed even if its a legitimate concern. I never trashed BLR and I was told I was calling them liars even though I never said that. All I'm saying is they get extremely defensive which says a LOT in itself!!! Many other companies on this board that treat the people who are spending their hard-earned money on their products with much more respect....and watch, I'll probably get bashed for this post too.
Can I ask a silly question, but who in this thread reps for BLR? Do reps not have to put it in their signature anymore?
I pass through this thread about once every 2 weeks and any person who has a question or is asking for any update gets jumped on by 5 different posters. And it only happens in these BLR threads. This kind of stuff makes me never want to deal with this company because of its "reps". I like BLR and I like that he has innovative products and I am genuinely curious as to what he has up his sleeve for this one since its such a saturated market.
But this pitchfork and torch crowd mentality is super toxic and all you are doing is driving anyway anyone on the fringe of wanting to support this company. A rep should be there to be positive and answer peoples questions in a polite manor, not constantly fighting and talking down to people. Isn't this a forum where we are trying to learn and support one another?
And again anyone who would like to say I bash BLR please find 1 post of me bashing this company? I will wait
Rep here. (It's in my signature)
It looks like a lot of reps 'jumped on' to help out. lol. j/k. Ahem...
Don't take this the wrong way, but if you have an issue with a rep or an answer given by a group, the best thing to do is address it in the following way:
Some suggestions:
1. Contact page at http://www.blacklionresearch.com and give a link to the page here and post number in question.
2. If it is truly harassing, contact admin with link
3. DM @brundel on here with your concern
From a personal perspective that aligns with your thoughts and desires, re-iterating what others have stated.
"I'd like to know myself", but not here. This is something to take private and can certainly be addressed. If anyone gets heated, it's from passion, and a simple apology from one's perception is all that is necessary.
We're all very excited about the new products coming out, and you hit the nail with a saturated market it's difficult to outline a product that has novel ingredients that make a difference from the usual what is expected.
Hence the delay.
All my best,
M
*If any reps need some help editing their signature, let me know and I'll put together a quick tutorial.
Actually, it's so darned easy! lol. Select your name above right, and click on the signature.
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Rep here. (It's in my signature)
It looks like a lot of reps 'jumped on' to help out. lol. j/k. Ahem...
Don't take this the wrong way, but if you have an issue with a rep or an answer given by a group, the best thing to do is address it in the following way:
Some suggestions:
1. Contact page at http://www.blacklionresearch.com and give a link to the page here and post number in question.
2. If it is truly harassing, contact admin with link
3. DM @brundel on here with your concern
From a personal perspective that aligns with your thoughts and desires, re-iterating what others have stated.
"I'd like to know myself", but not here. This is something to take private and can certainly be addressed. If anyone gets heated, it's from passion, and a simple apology from one's perception is all that is necessary.
We're all very excited about the new products coming out, and you hit the nail with a saturated market it's difficult to outline a product that has novel ingredients that make a difference from the usual what is expected.
Hence the delay.
All my best,
M
*If any reps need some help editing their signature, let me know and I'll put together a quick tutorial.
Actually, it's so darned easy! lol. Select your name above right, and click on the signature.
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You have the option to add a sig?!Awesome!
I swear when I checked and rechecked and checked again that was never there lol.