Coop's Corner #7: Amentoflavone Finally Explained

redman24 said:
i struggle to form coherent sentences? maybe this is due to differences in sentecne construction from one language to another, as i have been called very eloquent mostly. i have nothing to prove to you. i have just showed you a superior product. i do not work for companies as i have declined offers of contracts etc.
i will be working with a friend from now on.
the hatred and enemies you are confronted with when you come up with something decent is too much for me. i also have significant neurological health issues which i have had for years, so maybe that has something to to with your mentioned perceived incoherence, but somehow i think my sentences aren't that difficult to read. i understand you seem to like PES, that's fine. just ignore me and i won't post anymore. i just cannot simply stop and disappear as i perceive it as impolite behaviour.
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You googling big words to sound smart and flooding this thread with your walls of text garbage is impolite behavior. Good luck with your future supplement endeavors I'm sure supplement companies are clamoring to have an E-genius formulate 12 dollar serving pre workouts for them.
 
braskibra said:
and what would be the name Fil-let Mig-non
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I should also add that if PES had customers who would pay 12 per serving, theyd create a better profile than anyone haha
 
xhrr said:
You googling big words to sound smart and flooding this thread with your walls of text garbage is impolite behavior. Good luck with your future supplement endeavors I'm sure supplement companies are clamoring to have an E-genius formulate 12 dollar serving pre workouts for them.
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big words? googling? this is not even my first language, i only studied it in school and learned it by travelling. the accusations are really kind of exaggerated now.

also how come people only ever read what they want to? i said i mixed myself stuff up that cost me up to 12 dollars, no that any raw manufacturer would have to make a serving cost 12 dollars. in fact it is probably more like 2.50 or so. i uderstand a company cannot use high dosages of 12 different ingredients but somehow olympus did use quite significant doses. nobody is reacting to that at all. if i made olympus pre in my kitchen it would also cost me 10 dollars. it is obvious there is a difference between what the end consumer pays and what the company pays with the raw supplier.
 
redman24 said:
big words? googling? this is not even my first language, i only studied it in school and learned it by travelling. the accusations are really kind of exaggerated now. also how come people only ever read what they want to? i said i mixed myself stuff up that cost me up to 12 dollars, no that any raw manufacturer would have to make a serving cost 12 dollars. in fact it is probably more like 2.50 or so. i uderstand a company cannot use high dosages of 12 different ingredients but somehow olympus did use quite significant doses. nobody is reacting to that at all. if i made olympus pre in my kitchen it would also cost me 10 dollars. it is obvious there is a difference between what the end consumer pays and what the company pays with the raw supplier.
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Im pretty sure that PES would appreciate it if you refrained from talking about other companies in a PES thread.
 
NattyForLife said:
Im pretty sure that PES would appreciate it if you refrained from talking about other companies in a PES thread.
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Well it's actually a thread about a compound, not a PES product....

But I do agree that he's completely derailing this thread with stuff that has nothing to do with Amentoflavone at this point
 
blacklac said:
Danes probably would... Lol. That guy goes all out.
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Lol :D

Redman24..
Walls of text but i really dont understand what you are talking about :)
You claim things but you need to prove it.
do you believe me if I say my 8===D is 35cm ???
 
redman24 said:
big words? googling? this is not even my first language, i only studied it in school and learned it by travelling. the accusations are really kind of exaggerated now.

also how come people only ever read what they want to? i said i mixed myself stuff up that cost me up to 12 dollars, no that any raw manufacturer would have to make a serving cost 12 dollars. in fact it is probably more like 2.50 or so. i uderstand a company cannot use high dosages of 12 different ingredients but somehow olympus did use quite significant doses. nobody is reacting to that at all. if i made olympus pre in my kitchen it would also cost me 10 dollars. it is obvious there is a difference between what the end consumer pays and what the company pays with the raw supplier.
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Ah my bad, misread your first point.

Although in not sure what point you are making here :)
 
NewAgeMayan said:
How have you been finding amento now, Danes? Did you resolve your sleep issues?
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Honestly i havent been using it lately. I dont know if its me or, but felt like i got anxiety from it. Made me worried .. i was worried over things i didnt used to worry about. Seriously.
 
Jiigzz said:
Ah my bad, misread your first point.

Although in not sure what point you are making here :)
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my point is that i am assuming that either companies product developers are limited by the company wating to create a product rather cheaply with a arge profit margin or must be lacking in a certain feeling for the way combinations of substances turn out.
i guess that some products like 1mr probably cost 3 dollars to make and are sold for what, i don't know in the states but say 40 euros in germany. everything is much more expensive there (envy...lol).
so let's assume i am not bull****ting you and really made a product for a company, the raws have cost the company 20 euros. the company is now going to sell the product for about 45 euros. so the profit margin is much lower.
or, for whatever reason, me, despite not having the scientific background of some other people have a great sensitivity for creating combinations of ingredients that work. apart from things that are studied and proven, let's think stims. i have mixed stuff that has been described as incrediby strong yet smooth, euphoric and making you feel like floating. this was actually just something i made from my own raws and products etc, everyone had superb increases but the point is more the stim feeling being so pleasant. for example i prefer dlpa over tyrosine as it inhibits the breakdown of enkephalins, which reduces pain and improves mood. i used chocamine, which despite containing only small amounts of several compounds besides theobromine and caffeine causes a feeling of euphoria and well-being. at the time i also added ampitropin, curcumin bcm-95 and l-theanine. this to me made sense in my head and due to what i had tried ad turned out to make people feel great. one serving was 380mg caffeine, described by some as insanely strong but never unpleasant or too much. for my girlfriend who tolerates large amounts of caffeine she said it was the most pleasant euphoric stimulant she had tried. i won't go into the non-stim ingredients and strength increases, but my point was basically, that "professionals" (brackets because there isn't really such a thing as a qualified supplement deveoper is there?) should be able to make something that is much better than what some dude made, whos only quaifications are reading about 4-5 hours a day for 5 years and spending 15 grand on supps (yeah new car, i know, but i don't have a license...lol).

so is the limiting factor monetary restrictions by the company or a lack of sensitivity for a products feel? (i am very sensitive to different neurotransmitters and can actually tell their effects apart very well)
from the feedback, all the formulas i have mixed for fun or advised compaies on etc. have been described by the people who tried as the best they ever had.
so i am asking, how is this possible. with all the ingredients there are ans a scientific background, one should be able to make something much better than i can.
the only explanations to me can be that i don't look at the cost or my high sensitivity to substances effects.
i am genuinely interested, this is not meant as some kind of attack, it really isn't. i hope i got the tone right (it is hard sometimes online), so that nobody misunderstands my true curiosity.
 
sorry, i cannot help writing things in detail, i a grateful for anyone who takes the 5 min. it takes to read my posts.
thanks
 
Danes said:
Honestly i havent been using it lately. I dont know if its me or, but felt like i got anxiety from it. Made me worried .. i was worried over things i didnt used to worry about. Seriously.
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hmm, that sux. If youre sitting on more than 2 bottles and you wanna sell pm me
 
My earlier reported sleep issues were unfounded or simply a matter of adjustment of timing. I've been sleeping great now that I am taking this in the a.m. prior to training.

Question: I had a very weak workout this morning compared to the last 9 days and I remembered afterwards that I did not take the Amento prior. I would say placebo, but I did not even remember that I did not take it. Coincidence, or is this a supplement that is needed daily?
 
kisaj said:
My earlier reported sleep issues were unfounded or simply a matter of adjustment of timing. I've been sleeping great now that I am taking this in the a.m. prior to training. Question: I had a very weak workout this morning compared to the last 9 days and I remembered afterwards that I did not take the Amento prior. I would say placebo, but I did not even remember that I did not take it. Coincidence, or is this a supplement that is needed daily?
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Not exactly positive if you would notice that difference from not dosing one day but I do know that people have been commenting on the difference of being on Amento versus cycling off. Usually most are noticing the difference in workout 3-4 days of cycling off.
 
I noticed when I cycled off of my first bottle and AS was out of stock for a while. Strength gains stopped. I hit a plateau. The ability to do the entire workout without slacking also stopped. I would cut out 1-2 exercises when not taking Amentomax. Mental focus was gone which aided me in not being able to complete my workouts.

So for me AM helps big time
 
You'll obviously still make strength gains without it (progression), but I noticed my strength gains were more consistent while continuously using AmentoMax.
 
Dosed 120mg pre-workout today and man, I felt like a beast. I love how strong I feel on this stuff.
 
Synapsin said:
You'll obviously still make strength gains without it (progression), but I noticed my strength gains were more consistent while continuously using AmentoMax.
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I felt this to. I didn't take it yesterday and this morning upped my dose to 3 caps from 2 caps pre w/o and felt good but as not good as 1 cap twice a day on non training days and 2 pre w/o.

The only reason i dropped it on the rest day is because i was getting tired during the day. Not sure if it was the Amento or not but i'll try some caffeine with it tomorrow.

Fat loss and feeling trimmer around the middle was much better taking it every day.

Just wondering though how it affects yout hormonal system? I read somewhere it can have positive benefits for GH and LH.
 
Jag said:
I felt this to. I didn't take it yesterday and this morning upped my dose to 3 caps from 2 caps pre w/o and felt good but as not good as 1 cap twice a day on non training days and 2 pre w/o.

The only reason i dropped it on the rest day is because i was getting tired during the day. Not sure if it was the Amento or not but i'll try some caffeine with it tomorrow.

Fat loss and feeling trimmer around the middle was much better taking it every day.

Just wondering though how it affects yout hormonal system? I read somewhere it can have positive benefits for GH and LH.
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That would be very minor, I wouldn't even think of it for that purpose (not to mention no real reason to raise GH).
 
ma70 said:
Dosed 120mg pre-workout today and man, I felt like a beast. I love how strong I feel on this stuff.
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Nice. Is that your favorite dose?
 
Added an amento cap to conqu3r demigod today on upper body strength and hit pb's on 3 lifts, felt added benefit over 100mg.
 
bolt10 said:
Nice. Is that your favorite dose?
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I used to dose 2 caps of Norcodrene and notice some strength gains....so I can't say what my favorite dose really is since I don't know how much Norco has in 2 caps, but 3 caps of standalone Amentoflavone is great. Figured I'd try the max dose to see some drastic effects. I will test it at 80mg in two days and see if its just as good so I can make the bottles last longer.
 
Been taking 400mg caffeine anhydrous, 80mg amentoflavone the past week, having previously dosed 200mg caffeine anhydrous, 120mg amentoflavone. PRs on everything with the 400/80 dose.
 
Prior to purchasing AmentoMax // Norcodrene, I took 400mg caffeine anhydrous solo. I perform much better with amentoflavone. I have yet to try amentoflavone solo.
 
Solid feedback dubson!
 
kdubson14 said:
Been taking 400mg caffeine anhydrous, 80mg amentoflavone the past week, having previously dosed 200mg caffeine anhydrous, 120mg amentoflavone. PRs on everything with the 400/80 dose.
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this is interesting because I dose 250mg caffeine and 120mg amento. But I've noticed with other ingredients in my pre if I up the doses sometimes it makes things worse. So this is interesting, I may give it a try
 
Alot of chatter on other forums about amento having piss poor absorption and the effects we are all seeing are placebo. Thoughts?
 
NewAgeMayan said:
consistently setting new pr's improves my mood, too
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What are your thoughts on amentoflavone? I noticed you were in talks about it on another forum I believe?
 
I can of course only really speak with any authority about my own experiences.

My main concern with any supp is its utility: its worth is in its capacity to consistently produce results (as long as nothing is done to jeopardise its efficacy, of course).

As long as I see results from a product, I will continue to purchase and use it, regardless if those results are due to placebo or not.

I will continue purchasing and using amentoflavone until such time that my results with it diminish to the point of no return on cost.
 
NewAgeMayan said:
I can of course only really speak with any authority about my own experiences. My main concern with any supp is its utility: its worth is in its capacity to consistently produce results (as long as nothing is done to jeopardise its efficacy, of course). As long as I see results from a product, I will continue to purchase and use it, regardless if those results are due to placebo or not. I will continue purchasing and using amentoflavone until such time that my results with it diminish to the point of no return on cost.
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Fair enough and good explanation.

Glad to hear you continue to see results with amentoflavone.
 
NoAddedHmones said:
Alot of chatter on other forums about amento having piss poor absorption and the effects we are all seeing are placebo. Thoughts?
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Lots of chatter by arm chair scientist who don't fully understand concepts they are so adamantly pretending to be an expert in.

That said, neuron does a pretty decent job addressing the questioning on amento in the comments section of his amento blog post if you are interested - hightowerpharmacology.blogspot.com/2012/09/future-pharmacy-amentoflavone.html

Furthermore, worst case here, even if the MOA was wrong, that is nit the measuring stick you use to determine if a compound is worthless. Of course human placebo controlled studies would be great but as we know, these are VERY hard to come by in this industry. Anecdotal reports, while are limited in their ability to determine effectiveness, still do carry weight (just not as much as a clinical study would) and we have an overwhelming amount of reports in favor of amentoflavone to suggest there is a mechanism at play here, even if it isn't the increased calcium one.
 
How long does the "mood boosting" effect last? Just wondering, because I know it helps my mood out.
 
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