Chocolatemilk hangs low with hCG; and builds high with SD/Epi (Pic Log)

honestly i just fought through it for the most part. i ordered some cissus but i havent gotten it... ive been eeating fish oils like crazy but thats it bro. i really dont like to take alot of pills and potions outside what i deem to be compltely necessary... that being steroids and liver supps.
 
chocolatemilk said:
Np. Well if I'm reading this right, 6 weeks of SD at 20 mg a day is not recommended by anyone on here. And SD is serious stuff you need a SERM for PCT.

Do
1-4 1 cap beastdrol twice a day
1-4 fordged liver 1-2 caps ed
4-8 Nolva 20/20/20/10
4-8 post cycle
7-12 unleashed
7-12 sustain alpha

I don't know your experience with PH/DS, or your diet and stats but it might be hard to keep SD gains running SD solo. Also if it's your first time you should try 10 mg for th first week or jump on a milder PH/DS but it's your choice in the end.

Read Unreals guide to superdrol about this it's in the anabolics section right here. It will answer many questions for you. That's where I started.
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Thanks man. Yes, I was kind of skeptic on doing it for 6 week as it is my first time. Can you please elaborate on why it is hard to keep SD gains running SD solo (will I lose some % of the gain or the whole of it?). I have been reading and searching for sometime. Unreal's guide is definately among the best :veryhappy: .

HumpTheCook said:
good advice CM, you're a quick learner... its what i like about you ha

sameerkhan
six wks of SD is a bad idea. six wks at the same dose is a worse idea. six wks at the same dose with no SERM is just straight f ucking retarded. if you took even one minute to read anything on this here site about superdrol you would know better.
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Yes, you are right!:gotsearch
 
sameerkhan51 said:
Yes, you are right!:gotsearch
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thank you for recieving that.

because sd gains are so quick and so explosive its hard to keep them, this is true for any compound that works this quickly and you have to stop so abruptly as well. it makes PCT that much more important. because if thats done wrong, all your gains are gone. like most aspects of bodybuilding, diet will be key tp your gains as well as keeping them.
 
HumpTheCook said:
thank you for recieving that.

because sd gains are so quick and so explosive its hard to keep them, this is true for any compound that works this quickly and you have to stop so abruptly as well. it makes PCT that much more important. because if thats done wrong, all your gains are gone. like most aspects of bodybuilding, diet will be key tp your gains as well as keeping them.
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Thanks man. I am gonna dig and find a legit SERM (Clomid, Nolva ...). Hope it will be legit. I am currently around 400-500 calories above my maintenance with around 220g of protein and the rest from carbs and fats. I weight around 195 lb and 6ft.

While on SD, should keep my calorie intake same as above or bump it by another 500 or so?
 
if you arent a real hard gainer. 500-700 should do the trick. really it depends on your goals. when bulking, aim for 1.4 g of protein per pound that you weigh

you shouldnt have any problem finding any research chems for your rats
 
Hump is that another picture of gamer in your avatar? The guys legs are comin along nicely with the LG products huh haha... jk gamer

DAY 7 (yesterday)

Yesterday was handicapped from my shoulder so I did an hour of basketball and half hour on treadmill.

I think I'm burning a lot of calories and it's causing a slow weight gain while I burn fat. My body composition is changing daily looking really good. I'm gonna keep this up.
 
DAY 8

DAY 8

Back day.

10 mg in the mornig, 10 mg in the afternoon

Did a full back, biceps, and traps workout in late afternoon followed by cardio.

WOW the strength gains are amazing. The weights I was sweating with last back workout honestly feel so much easier and lighter.

I was doing the machine where you sit and do rows with actual weights you put on. I was doing 3 plates on each side last week for 10 reps. I was doing 4 plates on each side today for 10 reps and it honestly felt so easy.

The bicep pump was intense. I flexed for my girlfriend and she screamed "What are you taking!?! I know you're taking something?!?!" haha I explained that my biceps were merely pumped from working out and I was on creatine HAHA. Girls, so gullible.

Shoulder is feeling a lot better after dosing the Glucosamine and MSM and upped fish oil to 15 caps a day.
 
chocolatemilk said:
Hump is that another picture of gamer in your avatar? The guys legs are comin along nicely with the LG products huh haha... jk gamer

DAY 7 (yesterday)

Yesterday was handicapped from my shoulder so I did an hour of basketball and half hour on treadmill.

I think I'm burning a lot of calories and it's causing a slow weight gain while I burn fat. My body composition is changing daily looking really good. I'm gonna keep this up.
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that is gamer, in the flesh and if you lok real close... thats my initials tatted on his leg.
 
Haha play nice.

Thereeee wee goooo... my weight is up +5 today finally on day 9. I upped the cals a little bit in the past few days and might keep the little increase in cals since I'm doing cardio too.

Missed my morning workout today thanks to the long weekend so will hit up chest,tris, and shoulders today. If my shoulder is good to go (iced it all night and while I slept), I can't wait for the strength increase today :)

That bone where your traps end and your shoulder starts that sticks out like a little ball is very enlarged on my right shoulder. The pain started last chest day when it was bulging out. Has anyone had this before?
 
thats pretty much where my shoulder hurts.....
 
careful with your shoulders I have hurt myself going for ego benching and it's not worth it
 
gamer2be08 said:
Hope you get in a good chest workout!! I did back today and it was noice!

And me and Hump like it rough ;), there aint no playin nice
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Haha

UnrealMachine said:
careful with your shoulders I have hurt myself going for ego benching and it's not worth it
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I'm gonna start easy and gauge the pain tolerance see if I can move some good weight around with the pain. I'm definitely not stopping. I don't know what the f*** happened I'm so pissed.
 
chocolatemilk said:
Haha



I'm gonna start easy and gauge the pain tolerance see if I can move some good weight around with the pain. I'm definitely not stopping. I don't know what the f*** happened I'm so pissed.
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I implore you to be careful. You don't want to F yourself up and not be able to train at all, or at very little capability. Better to err on the side of caution. This is from experience.
 
everybody hurts there shoulders. i dont know a single bodybuilder without shoulder problems. because you shoulder is the one joint that is able to move it any direction rather than one just one motion as with most joints... it makes it structurally the weekest and most susceptible to injury.
 
HumpTheCook said:
everybody hurts there shoulders. i dont know a single bodybuilder without shoulder problems. because you shoulder is the one joint that is able to move it any direction rather than one just one motion as with most joints... it makes it structurally the weekest and most susceptible to injury.
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I agree with this!
 
Mannnn I'll see how my workout goes today and let you guys know whats up. I'm just gonna ice the damn thing to death today. My chest was the one thing I wanted to row the most out of this. I'm so heartbroken right now it's not even funny. I'm gonna go crawl in a hole and die.
 
chocolatemilk said:
Mannnn I'll see how my workout goes today and let you guys know whats up. I'm just gonna ice the damn thing to death today. My chest was the one thing I wanted to row the most out of this. I'm so heartbroken right now it's not even funny. I'm gonna go crawl in a hole and die.
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My advice, since your taking HCG, would be to take a low dose of deca each week to sooth and heal your joints.. 100mg a week would be perfect.
 
gamer2be08 said:
My advice, since your taking HCG, would be to take a low dose of deca each week to sooth and heal your joints.. 100mg a week would be perfect.
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I wouldn't know where to start with that. Where to find it, getting the right needles... If I truly tried to get it it would take a good 2-3 weeks to set it all up.
 
honestly CM this is why ive been a pu$$y and hit the hammer strengths... i got up to 360 and 450 on the two machines... i did 300 on bench the other day and I was like woah im gonna hurt myself. just cuz you can power through it doesnt mean you should.

take some extra fishoils and grab some additional joint supps if you can get em
 
chocolatemilk said:
I wouldn't know where to start with that. Where to find it, getting the right needles... If I truly tried to get it it would take a good 2-3 weeks to set it all up.
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Well, when ever you take a dry compound in the future, just know your joints will suffer to an extent. So, have some deca amps on hand and take deca during cycle.. Looky at PM..
 
SouthernCharm said:
honestly CM this is why ive been a pu$$y and hit the hammer strengths... i got up to 360 and 450 on the two machines... i did 300 on bench the other day and I was like woah im gonna hurt myself. just cuz you can power through it doesnt mean you should.

take some extra fishoils and grab some additional joint supps if you can get em
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I know SC.. we'll see what happens with todays workout.
 
chocolatemilk said:
I wouldn't know where to start with that. Where to find it, getting the right needles... If I truly tried to get it it would take a good 2-3 weeks to set it all up.
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; / I just drink a lot of water n take some joint support when sht1 acts up.

I also do some shoulder rehab exercises for about 1-2 weeks during it tool.
chocolatemilk said:
Lol I don't trust my dead body with you geek haha
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:box::hump:

why? haha
 
gamer2be08 said:
My advice, since your taking HCG, would be to take a low dose of deca each week to sooth and heal your joints.. 100mg a week would be perfect.
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yeah but he'll be done with his cycle by the time the deca can do anything, and he's probably not going to start injecting right now

another option is to do lifts that don't hurt to press, such as incline, or dumbells, i guess you will have to see.

I've been getting some pain in my left pectoral/shoulder region when i flat bench but don't notice it on incline.
 
gamer2be08 said:
Well, when ever you take a dry compound in the future, just know your joints will suffer to an extent. So, have some deca amps on hand and take deca during cycle.. Looky at PM..
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Yeah.. SD is pretty damn dry... and then epi on top of that... me u and hump ALL got joint problems right now bud... Dont let it get you down tho, work everything out just as hard as you have been its not the end of your training you know? hopefully its nothing and will be fine in a few days
 
UnrealMachine said:
yeah but he'll be done with his cycle by the time the deca can do anything, and he's probably not going to start injecting right now

another option is to do lifts that don't hurt to press, such as incline, or dumbells, i guess you will have to see.

I've been getting some pain in my left pectoral/shoulder region when i flat bench but don't notice it on incline.
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I felt decas joint healing properties my first dose.. After I got of deca, my joints were like **** you..
 
Thanks guys and thanks gamer and SC I love you guys lol.

We'll see what happens today at the gym. If you don't hear from me tonight I crawled into my hole and died and no geek you can't come lol :)
 
if it helps give you hope for some reaason my joints are feeling better the last couple days. i did 1 on 1 off for the past 5 days or so to give a lil more rest and i feel a fair bit better than i did... you'll be alright. the life of a bodybuilder is a painful one but its worth it.
 
HumpTheCook said:
if it helps give you hope for some reaason my joints are feeling better the last couple days. i did 1 on 1 off for the past 5 days or so to give a lil more rest and i feel a fair bit better than i did... you'll be alright. the life of a bodybuilder is a painful one but its worth it.
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if it would let me this would be in my sig too lol
 
chocolatemilk said:
Thanks guys and thanks gamer and SC I love you guys lol.

We'll see what happens today at the gym. If you don't hear from me tonight I crawled into my hole and died and no geek you can't come lol :)
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lol, i think i just dug my own hole today :( dammit
 
DAY 9

DAY 9

Well............ I went in today with my shoulder problem to work out and I got some good news and some bad news.

Bad news is... I absolutely cannot do flat bench as of right now.

Good news is... I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by switching to Geiko lol. Had to.

On a serious note. I went in today to do chest, tris, and shoulders, and with how my shoulder is feeling I absolutely cannot do flat bench. The only chest exercise I could do was incline. Shoulder and tricep workouts are fine. But flat, and decline hell no.

For the record, I have never done incline in my life.. ever. I do have a lagging upper chest so maybe this will work out for the better.

I am looking absolutely amazing right now on SD. I'm looking very big, and ripped not bloated whatsoever and the pumps are ridiculous. I love this stuff. I'm so pissed right now I wanted to improve my flat bench so much for this cycle it was my main goal.

Guys will this hinder my strength gains on flat bench if I only do incline for maybe a few weeks? Like if I get stronger on the incline will that translate into getting stronger on flat bench eventually as my shoulder heals?

And is your incline normally weaker than your flat bench? I was doing 225 for 4 reps on flat last workout and today I was doing 205 for like 3-4 reps on incline.

I honestly don't know what happened to my shoulder. It's not like I was working out and POP something happened. I worked out, went home, felt great, was watching tv with the GF and about 11 pm, this dull ache started in my shoulder. By morning I was a cripple. A little better day by day as I ice it tho.

Please answer some of my questions if you guys can about the incline and flat dilemma.
 
it's a good idea to switch it up and do some incline especially if you've never done it before. I think most bodybuilders would agree, if you could do EITHER bench or incline for your chest, you'd be better off with incline. Most people flat bench because they can do more weight and that's it.

So keep up the incline. I mentioned how i had hurt myself with heavy benching so right now i'm not doing much on flat, mostly sticking with the incline.
 
HumpTheCook said:
if you arent a real hard gainer. 500-700 should do the trick. really it depends on your goals. when bulking, aim for 1.4 g of protein per pound that you weigh

you shouldnt have any problem finding any research chems for your rats
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I like this advice- but in winter mr hump Im just going to BIG MASH (As we say down south) on ERYTHANG
 
UnrealMachine said:
it's a good idea to switch it up and do some incline especially if you've never done it before. I think most bodybuilders would agree, if you could do EITHER bench or incline for your chest, you'd be better off with incline. Most people flat bench because they can do more weight and that's it.

So keep up the incline. I mentioned how i had hurt myself with heavy benching so right now i'm not doing much on flat, mostly sticking with the incline.
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Seriously? Thanks Unreal that just made my day lol.
 
chocolatemilk said:
DAY 9

Well............ I went in today with my shoulder problem to work out and I got some good news and some bad news.

Bad news is... I absolutely cannot do flat bench as of right now.

Good news is... I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by switching to Geiko lol. Had to.

On a serious note. I went in today to do chest, tris, and shoulders, and with how my shoulder is feeling I absolutely cannot do flat bench. The only chest exercise I could do was incline. Shoulder and tricep workouts are fine. But flat, and decline hell no.

For the record, I have never done incline in my life.. ever. I do have a lagging upper chest so maybe this will work out for the better.

I am looking absolutely amazing right now on SD. I'm looking very big, and ripped not bloated whatsoever and the pumps are ridiculous. I love this stuff. I'm so pissed right now I wanted to improve my flat bench so much for this cycle it was my main goal.

Guys will this hinder my strength gains on flat bench if I only do incline for maybe a few weeks? Like if I get stronger on the incline will that translate into getting stronger on flat bench eventually as my shoulder heals?

And is your incline normally weaker than your flat bench? I was doing 225 for 4 reps on flat last workout and today I was doing 205 for like 3-4 reps on incline.

I honestly don't know what happened to my shoulder. It's not like I was working out and POP something happened. I worked out, went home, felt great, was watching tv with the GF and about 11 pm, this dull ache started in my shoulder. By morning I was a cripple. A little better day by day as I ice it tho.

Please answer some of my questions if you guys can about the incline and flat dilemma.
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dude on flat bench I work out with 205x8 for 3 sets

Incline is like 160-180 depending on the day

I like to do incline/flat/decline/flys/decline cable flys for my standard chest workout switch from dumbells to bar ball from week to week to keep the muscles guessing

But you will be fine work that upper area of ur chest and heal up
 
dont sweat it all bro. i do six week increments of flat becnh then six weeks of incline followed by the opposite DB. you'll be fine... and the mirror will keep loving on you.
 
UnrealMachine said:
it's a good idea to switch it up and do some incline especially if you've never done it before. I think most bodybuilders would agree, if you could do EITHER bench or incline for your chest, you'd be better off with incline. Most people flat bench because they can do more weight and that's it.

So keep up the incline. I mentioned how i had hurt myself with heavy benching so right now i'm not doing much on flat, mostly sticking with the incline.
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See, about that.. I feel it more in my whole pec area from flat bench. In incline bench, it devours my front delts... I do incline DB press now and its easier on the shoulders, but I can def feel it in my upper pecs better than incline bench.
 
schwellington said:
dude on flat bench I work out with 205x8 for 3 sets

Incline is like 160-180 depending on the day

I like to do incline/flat/decline/flys/decline cable flys for my standard chest workout switch from dumbells to bar ball from week to week to keep the muscles guessing

But you will be fine work that upper area of ur chest and heal up
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Thanks shwell

HumpTheCook said:
dont sweat it all bro. i do six week increments of flat becnh then six weeks of incline followed by the opposite DB. you'll be fine... and the mirror will keep loving on you.
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Humpy... the mirror was eye fu*king the sh*t outta me today. I have never seen or felt my chest so pumped. My upper chest and shoulders were bulging over and out of my under shirt. I really liked incline I'm not gonna lie.

I sometimes walk up to a mirror and just flex my guns and start throwing poses and I see people watch from the corner of my eye. I see some people with the expression "what a show off" and some people I can see them admiring haha. I was doing it all day today. You sure make me love being shallow humps.
 
some people may take what you are saying as being c0cky but to them i must ask...

is it really c0cky if you know that its true?
 
DAMNNNN HUMPS I didn't know you're a god damn philosopher in your free time. Yea I just play the song "Haterzzzz everywhere I go" and keep on posing haha.

You must spread some rep before giving it to humpthecook again

Humps, if there is one thing I want you to remember from chocolatemilk, is read the book "I hope they serve beer in hell"

It's not a novel or anything so don't trip lol it's like short stories every chapter about this guy he reminds me of you exaclty, the sh*t he does and the sh*t he gets into. You'll like it a lot bro.

Just putting it out there. Now that the ripper is out and you got some free time, trust me it will be time well spent to read this guys book here and there. it's absolutely fu*ked up lol I don't know if anyone on here has read it or heard of it.
 
bro not gonna lie, ive read the book, seen the movie and read all of tucker max's stories online too ha. he's a role model of life.
 
chocolatemilk said:
Humps, if there is one thing I want you to remember from chocolatemilk, is read the book "I hope they serve beer in hell"
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Great Book. I honestly hate reading for pleasure books, but I couldn't put this down and read it in 2 days. And don't let the movie sway you from reading the book. The movie was ok-funny, the book is damn hilarious. ****, I am going to have to read that again.
 
HereToStudy said:
Great Book. I honestly hate reading for pleasure books, but I couldn't put this down and read it in 2 days. And don't let the movie sway you from reading the book. The movie was ok-funny, the book is damn hilarious. ****, I am going to have to read that again.
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Now I am gonna have to check it out..
 
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