Bulk Creatine Nitrate

[JudgementDay]

I already posted the blurb from the suppliers website, it's pure Creatine Nitrate. I didn't weigh my capsules after I made them, they are 00 size, so I am assuming I was able to fit in about 6-800mg each, and I took 6 pre and 6 post.

I felt absolutely zero negative side effects, but I did get a body rocking pump.

Here's the information from the Creatrate providers site again:

Well then you are a brave man because that would = 21.3 caps of APS Creatine Nitrate and I'm not sure if many people can take that much and stand up lol

Let us know how that high CN dosing goes, I'm interested to see what kind of effects you experience.

 

[southpaw23]

I use APS CN myself. How many grams pre and post should I be taking to achieve the best possible results? Specifically thhe max amounts not the conservative number.

 

[JudgementDay]

I use APS CN myself. How many grams pre and post should I be taking to achieve the best possible results? Specifically thhe max amounts not the conservative number.

Everyone seems to be a bit different, I get the best results from 6 caps(2250mg), Milas got the best results off 8 caps, he tried 12 caps and it didn't do anything more for him then 8 caps did.

 

[Royd The Noyd]

You guys are playing with fire at those doses. Not to mention killing your tolerance.
CN is more soluble than mono, which means you need less, not more.

 

[Outstanding]

Well then you are a brave man because that would = 21.3 caps of APS Creatine Nitrate and I'm not sure if many people can take that much and stand up lol

Let us know how that high CN dosing goes, I'm interested to see what kind of effects you experience.

What are some signs to looks out for? I had an excellent workout, but it was my first day on CN.

Let's say I was only able to fit in 600mg per capsules since it is a slightly powdery substance that is hard to tamp down into the shells. So, that would be 600mg x 12 capsules of pure powder, or 3.6 grams. Doesn't seem that insane to me, but I am a classic by-the-book epitome of a non-responders, I always have to increase dosages.

 

[JudgementDay]

What are some signs to looks out for? I had an excellent workout, but it was my first day on CN.

Let's say I was only able to fit in 600mg per capsules since it is a slightly powdery substance that is hard to tamp down into the shells. So, that would be 600mg x 12 capsules of pure powder, or 3.6 grams. Doesn't seem that insane to me, but I am a classic by-the-book epitome of a non-responders, I always have to increase dosages.

You should notice a good body mass increase from CN with in a few days of use, well I'm sure you know now the pumps are just crazy, I got great strength gains off CN as well.

 

[Frank Reynolds]

What are some signs to looks out for? I had an excellent workout, but it was my first day on CN.

Let's say I was only able to fit in 600mg per capsules since it is a slightly powdery substance that is hard to tamp down into the shells. So, that would be 600mg x 12 capsules of pure powder, or 3.6 grams. Doesn't seem that insane to me, but I am a classic by-the-book epitome of a non-responders, I always have to increase dosages.

What scale are you using? Or are you just going by how much powder you can fit into a capsule?

 

[WhatsaRoid?]

You guys are playing with fire at those doses. Not to mention killing your tolerance.
CN is more soluble than mono, which means you need less, not more.

Great point here, I just did it to try but honestly buy in bulk powder and that's a year supply at one dose a day pretty much.

 

[Outstanding]

What scale are you using? Or are you just going by how much powder you can fit into a capsule?

It's a digital scale accurate to .00, I don't want to mention where I bought it online, because it's already broke and I've only owned it for three months. Lame.

That reminds me, have to buy another one

 

[Frank Reynolds]

I would like to know what the Nitrate ratio is in the bulk, for instance powershock 6gs of bcca doesn't give crazy pumps like 2gs of APS CN so there has to be a big difference in amount of Nitrates, which makes me curious because if Outstanding is taking 4g's pre and 4g's post I would think you would pass out if you took that much of APS CN.

I don't see any reason to go over 3g's of CN pre-workout...

I'm still concerned that they won't sell to nutra and say that they are not doing bulks but yet someone has it? If they were going to sell bulks it would be very poor business not to sell to nutra. It just doesnt make sense...

200 caps for $28!!! not bad for a product you KNOW will work from a TRUSTWORTHY company and not some shady sites selling bulks

Well with all this skepticism, I emailed the owner again, to get some concrete proof.

I hope this clears up some of the confusion. I was already certain they were legit, after my first exchange of emails, but there should be no disputing this.

They will continue to get my business, and recommendation.

my dad once told me-if it sounds to good to be true, it probably is.:wink1:

And then there is other times when it seems too good to be true, and it actually is THAT good.

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[Milas]

Everyone seems to be a bit different, I get the best results from 6 caps(2250mg), Milas got the best results off 8 caps, he tried 12 caps and it didn't do anything more for him then 8 caps did.

Yep, 8 caps is my sweet spot for results vs. cost. Any improvement over 8 caps (3g CN) is marginal.

If I had CN in bulk, I might take some post workout too just for more pumps later in the day.

 

[vudoo]

Ordered my CN Monday night and got it Thursday. Pretty fast.

 

[JudoJosh]

The raw site I bought from it totally legit, all manufactured under cGMP and tested. Are you referring to another site we don't know about, or just trying to downplay and vilify the competition for no tangible reason?

No sir that is not my intention at all, I am simply looking at the information presented and am skeptical about them, and yes I am referring to the same site (MF)

Basis for my skepticism

Lets look at the information together and see if maybe I am missing something here...

* Thermolife holds the patent to the term creatrate
* Nutraplanet (customs) contacted Themolife and inquired about purchasing creatrate for bulk resell
* Nutraplanet was denied and was told by thermolife that "none of the Nitrate products would ever be green-lighted for bulk sales"
*Custom then went on to further inform us and warn us that "there are Chinese companies selling these nitrate products in opposition to Thermolife's patent"[\indent]

So this makes me wonder how is MF able to sell creatrate in bulk when thermolife specifically said that NONE of their nitrates products would be for sale in bulk form

Then theres more..

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states that their "Creatrate" consit of a blend of Creatine Nitrate, Creatine Anhydrous, Creatine HCL
* Yet MF states THIER creatrate contains no other creatines and is only creatine nitrate[\indent]

How is this possible when the trademarked term is a blend but yet their creatrate isnt?

From the Thermolife website

* Creatate™: ... C-BOL™ had to pass through ThermoLife’s rigid Scientific Product Formulation process (SPF; pronounced “Spif”) before getting placed on the shelf. During this process ThermoLife scientists determined that by strategically placing Creatine Nitrate alongside Anhydrous Creatine and Creatine Hydrochloride (HCl), they could give users an unforgettably surreal pharmacokinetic and pharmacodynamic experience characterized by drastic increases in phosphocreatine and ATP resynthesis, postponing of muscle contractile fatigue, increases in lifting strength and endurance, and greater lean (fat-free) body mass.

Not to mention anytime creatrate is mentioned on the thermolife websiteit is followed by (Creatine Nitrate, Creatine Anhydrous, Creatine HCL)

Creatrate isnt trademarked to strictly creatine nitrate but their blend and yet MF states their creatrate is ONLY creatine nitrate, plus thermolife said NO BULKS will EVER be sold and yet MF is selling it in bulk. Now take into consideration that there are chinese companies that are knocking off creatine nitrates and you can see why I am skepical

I have nothing to gain from APS I just believe them to be a honest company and I have delt with this company before. MF I never heard of, never delt with, and have no clue anything about them. Only plus here is dsade vouched for the owner.

To be honest I will be putting in a order with MF too. All I am doing is simply warning people to be cautious.​

 

[james122]

I can't take stimulants such as Meso, but I'm interested to see what you think of Creatine Nitrate samples. The only thing I've ever experiences painful pumps on have been hormones, the day after a massive cheat meal, when my water intake is extremely high and nutrition is perfect, and with a VERY select grouping of supplements from over the years.

c/n @ 6 caps preworkout will give you those pumps

 

[Frank Reynolds]

No sir that is not my intention at all, I am simply looking at the information presented and am skeptical about them, and yes I am referring to the same site (MF)

Basis for my skepticism

Lets look at the information together and see if maybe I am missing something here...

* Thermolife holds the patent to the term creatrate
* Nutraplanet (customs) contacted Themolife and inquired about purchasing creatrate for bulk resell
* Nutraplanet was denied and was told by thermolife that "none of the Nitrate products would ever be green-lighted for bulk sales"
*Custom then went on to further inform us and warn us that "there are Chinese companies selling these nitrate products in opposition to Thermolife's patent"

So this makes me wonder how is MF able to sell creatrate in bulk when thermolife specifically said that NONE of their nitrates products would be for sale in bulk form

Then theres more..

*Thermolife states that their "Creatrate" consit of a blend of Creatine Nitrate, Creatine Anhydrous, Creatine HCL
* Yet MF states THIER creatrate contains no other creatines and is only creatine nitrate

How is this possible when the trademarked term is a blend but yet their creatrate isnt?

From the Thermolife website



Not to mention anytime creatrate is mentioned on the thermolife websiteit is followed by (Creatine Nitrate, Creatine Anhydrous, Creatine HCL)

Creatrate isnt trademarked to strictly creatine nitrate but their blend and yet MF states their creatrate is ONLY creatine nitrate, plus thermolife said NO BULKS will EVER be sold and yet MF is selling it in bulk. Now take into consideration that there are chinese companies that are knocking off creatine nitrates and you can see why I am skepical

I have nothing to gain from APS I just believe them to be a honest company and I have delt with this company before. MF I never heard of, never delt with, and have no clue anything about them. Only plus here is dsade vouched for the owner.

To be honest I will be putting in a order with MF too. All I am doing is simply warning people to be cautious.

So what part of the COA, and purchase order confuse you? lol Do you not see the COA direct from Thermolife? Or the purchase order direct from Primeium Ingredients, to Muscle Feast? Do you see any mention of any other forms of Creatine?

I think the problem is, we might be misinterpreting the label of Cbol. I believe Creatrate is just CN, and they add Creatine Anhydrous, Creatine HCL to the prop blend to make 3000mg. I think it just reads funny.

Ie. Creatrate+Creatine Anhydrous+Creatine HCL= 3000mg

But Creatrate itself is just the nitrate portion.

That is like saying. Thermolife holds the patent on CN, how is APS buying it, without the other two forms?

Here is a study on Creatrate. No mention of any other forms.
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Sell Sheet from the distributor makes no mention of any other forms. In fact at the top it says Creatrate(Patented Creatine Nitrate)
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How about you call Thermolife, and ask them to clarify Creatrate.

 

[thebigt]

c/n @ 6 caps preworkout will give you those pumps

exactly, price is reasonable and you get a proven product-that is already in capped doses.:wink1:

 

[monstermash]

So what part of the COA, and purchase order confuse you? lol Do you not see the COA direct from Thermolife? Or the purchase order direct from Primeium Ingredients, to Muscle Feast? Do you see any mention of any other forms of Creatine?

I think the problem is, we might be misinterpreting the label of Cbol. I believe Creatrate is just CN, and they add Creatine Anhydrous, Creatine HCL to the prop blend to make 3000mg. I think it just reads funny.

Ie. Creatrate+Creatine Anhydrous+Creatine HCL= 3000mg

But Creatrate itself is just the nitrate portion.

That is like saying. Thermolife holds the patent on CN, how is APS buying it, without the other two forms?

Here is a study on Creatrate. No mention of any other forms.
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Sell Sheet from the distributor makes no mention of any other forms. In fact at the top it says Creatrate(Patented Creatine Nitrate)
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How about you call Thermolife, and ask them to clarify Creatrate.

I feel good about my purchse. been using it two days now and gotta say it feels legit. Take 2g with 500mg buffered Vitamin C and Premax.

 

[WhatsaRoid?]

Why not just try the CN bulk instead of complaining about this or that, I tried it and it does the trick feels just like APS CN to me. Also taking 10 pills APS CN had me a lil light headed during my workout but I had a great workout and I hope you all can try CN in caps or bulk so you can understand how nice this product is. (I wont be taking ten pills again)

Oh btw their Premium Protein unflavored mixed with orange Gatorade is very good. I drink 4 a day not for reaching my protein goal but because it tastes so good.

 

[Frank Reynolds]

Is the site legit? Do they have the rights to sell Creatrate?

Has anyone received their CN?

Have you read a single post in this thread, or better yet this post with the purchase order, and COA?
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I am not sure what more proof one would want. That is more proof right there then 98% of the companies out there, provide to their customers.

 

[Frank Reynolds]

I'm just finding it hard to believe that NP got denied, but this random site was approved.

I have a rep from Thermolife talking to Ron Kramer right now.

Once he has confirmed that MF is a verified seller, i'm all in.

I am surprised people are still this skeptical, especially in this industry, where almost every one of you is popping pills with no coa's at all, and honestly no verification what is on the label is even in the product.

For them not to be buying from PII/Thermolife, that would mean Muscle Feast forged the COA, and Purchase order, which would be a pretty retarded move.

Why not ask APS for their purchase order, and COA?

Maybe this company slipped through the cracks, and they won't be able to order again? Maybe they did it first, and have some sort of agreement with PII? I have no clue.

What I do know is as of now I put faith in them having CN for an incredible price. If people want to pay 6x the price for the same stuff, from the same supplier, then be my guest.

 

[T-Bone]

Yeah but APS has Pretty bottles....

 

[Hawk]

Is the site legit? Do they have the rights to sell Creatrate?

Has anyone received their CN?

Doubletap

 

[Hawk]

*Snip*Has anyone received their CN?

Yes.

 

[Frank Reynolds]

Yeah but APS has Pretty bottles....

Funny, I once saw a post by Dante from True Protein, who also has a supplement manufacturing firm called Primarch Manufacturing, who makes supplements for a lot of these big companies.

That little container with the cap, heat seal, color, graphic design, fancy label, in a great deal of cases cost more than the 100 capsules that are inside of it.

Makes ya think.

 

[thebigt]

I am surprised people are still this skeptical, especially in this industry, where almost every one of you is popping pills with no coa's at all, and honestly no verification what is on the label is even in the product.

For them not to be buying from PII/Thermolife, that would mean Muscle Feast forged the COA, and Purchase order, which would be a pretty retarded move.

Why not ask APS for their purchase order, and COA?

Maybe this company slipped through the cracks, and they won't be able to order again? Maybe they did it first, and have some sort of agreement with PII? I have no clue.

What I do know is as of now I put faith in them having CN for an incredible price. If people want to pay 6x the price for the same stuff, from the same supplier, then be my guest.

you are pimping another site pretty hard on a forum that is sponsored by nutraplanet!!!!!:wink1:

 

[Frank Reynolds]

you are pimping another site pretty hard on a forum that is sponsored by nutraplanet!!!!!:wink1:

I am not pimping anything. I have said multiple times I could care less who buys what from where, all I did was clear up some confusion, because I myself was unsure at one point.

I never brought up Muscle Feast, nor even had heard of them before I read this thread. I just don't like to see misinformation, or speculation, especially regarding a company who appears to be doing everything RIGHT, in an industry full of con men.

People are portraying MF as shady, or questioning the purity of their product, which is a bit unfair based on no facts. So I took it upon myself to provide the facts, for anyone considering the product.

Coming from one of AM's #1 product pimpers, I find your post a bit ironic..lol

 

[Hawk]

I am not pimping anything. I have said multiple times I could care less who buys what from where, all I did was clear up some confusion, because I myself was unsure at one point.

I never brought up Muscle Feast, nor even had heard of them before I read this thread. I just don't like to see misinformation, or speculation, especially regarding a company who appears to be doing everything RIGHT, in an industry full of con men.

Coming from one of AM's #1 product pimpers, I find your post a bit ironic..lol

I, for one, appreciate your contributions to this thread.

 

[JudoJosh]

I'm just finding it hard to believe that NP got denied, but this random site was approved.

I have a rep from Thermolife talking to Ron Kramer right now.

Once he has confirmed that MF is a verified seller, i'm all in.

Please let us know the outcome of that call with thermolife

 

[thebigt]

I am not pimping anything. I have said multiple times I could care less who buys what from where, all I did was clear up some confusion, because I myself was unsure at one point.

I never brought up Muscle Feast, nor even had heard of them before I read this thread. I just don't like to see misinformation, or speculation, especially regarding a company who appears to be doing everything RIGHT, in an industry full of con men.

People are portraying MF as shady, or questioning the purity of their product, which is a bit unfair based on no facts. So I took it upon myself to provide the facts, for anyone considering the product.

Coming from one of AM's #1 product pimpers, I find your post a bit ironic..lol

ironic considering the #1 thing i have been pimping is the very thing you are pimping here-only the product i was pimping is sold by a board sponsor-not an entirely different etailer site altogether.

right, ironic. it's ironic that you come on a nutraplanet sponsored forum to defend a competitor-now that is ironic.:think:

 

[WhatsaRoid?]

ironic considering the #1 thing i have been pimping is the very thing you are pimping here-only the product i was pimping is sold by a board sponsor-not an entirely different etailer site altogether.

right, ironic. it's ironic that you come on a nutraplanet sponsored forum to defend a competitor-now that is ironic.:think:

Damn this is getting good but also off topic so lets drop it guys. Bulk CN is here if you want it Google it if not nutraplanet has it at a good price in caps. Also I will say I like SAN's creatine nitrate caps more as its more bang for your buck, you can Google that also.

 

[Frank Reynolds]

ironic considering the #1 thing i have been pimping is the very thing you are pimping here-only the product i was pimping is sold by a board sponsor-not an entirely different etailer site altogether.

right, ironic. it's ironic that you come on a nutraplanet sponsored forum to defend a competitor-now that is ironic.:think:

It would be one thing if I brought them up, which I didn't. Or if I kept bringing them up, which I didn't. All my responses in this thread, were based on other people talking about this very company. All I did was try and get some facts, so we can all stop speculating, and spreading mis-information.

So it is fine for APS fans, or reps to bring up the company, and question them, or imply they are shady, but it is not OK for someone to respond to that, with facts answering those questions? Makes sense.

Again I have never even heard of this company until I read through this thread. I had questions of my own regarding who they got their product from, and the quality of it.

They were getting brought up, by multiple people in here, so I guess it is OK to discuss another site if you are **** talking them, but not if you are posting factual information supporting their product in question. Got ya.

Funny NP was in this thread, and they didn't seem to mind, why do you care so much? Are you bitter?

 

[thebigt]

It would be one thing if I brought it up, which I didn't. Or if I kept bringing them up, which I didn't. All my responses in this thread, were based on other people talking about this very company. All I did was try and get some facts, so we can all stop speculating, and spreading mis-information.

So it is fine for APS fans, or reps to bring up the company, and question them, or imply they are shady, but it is not OK for someone to respond to that, with facts answering those questions? Makes sense.

Funny NP was in this thread, and they didn't seem to mind, why do you care so much? Are you bitter?

look, if it wasn't for aps running a promo for their creatine nitrate product, and myself and others raving about how good it is this thread probably wouldn't even exist.

 

[StackedCop]

Damn this is getting good but also off topic so lets drop it guys. Bulk CN is here if you want it Google it if not nutraplanet has it at a good price in caps. Also I will say I like SAN's creatine nitrate caps more as its more bang for your buck, you can Google that also.

Agreed

 

[Frank Reynolds]

look, if it wasn't for aps running a promo for their creatine nitrate product, and myself and others raving about how good it is this thread probably wouldn't even exist.

And what does that have to do with me? I didn't start this thread, nor am I the one in here questioning you, or anybody else..lol

I am glad you like CN, I have no issues with you at all.

You came in here, and acted like I am a shill for MF, when all I have done is answer questions people had on their bulk CN.

If I see questions I can answer, should I just keep it to myself rather then help people? Should I let people discredit a company, sponsor or not, when I have the information to set the record straight?

Bottom line is this. I am a no BS kind of guy. If I was on another board that APS wasn't a sponsor on, and saw someone say "I heard APS sources their CN from Bin Laden" and I knew, and could prove otherwise, I would set them straight as well.

There are A LOT of bull**** companies out there, selling snake oil, to supplement junkies, so when I see someone doing things right, be it a sponsor of this forum, or not, I will commend them. The same way I would speak in favor of Nutra on other forums.

 

[WhatsaRoid?]

And what does that have to do with me? I didn't start this thread, nor am I the one in here questioning you, or anybody else..lol

I am glad you like CN, I have no issues with you at all.

You came in here, and acted like I am a shill for MF, when all I have done is answer questions people had on their bulk CN.

If I see questions I can answer, should I just keep it to myself rather then help people? Should I let people discredit a company, sponsor or not, when I have the information to set the record straight?

Bottom line is this. I am a no BS kind of guy. If I was on another board that APS wasn't a sponsor on, and saw someone say "I heard APS sources their CN from Bin Laden" and I knew, and could prove otherwise, I would set them straight as well.

There are A LOT of bull**** companies out there, selling snake oil, to supplement junkies, so when I see someone doing things right, be it a sponsor of this forum, or not, I will commend them. The same way I would speak in favor of Nutra on other forums.

Great point, I kinda wish this thread would close already. Honestly I see where this guy is coming from, since I started MF premium protein I cant stop drinking it or talking about it. So if you like a product or know facts about a product you share that information sponsor or not. SAN isn't a sponsor here but their CN caps are better then APS in my opinion so I purchased both because I couldn't decide. I suggest if your into bulk powder to get CN in bulk and save funds but if your on the go a lot try SAN's CN caps.

 

[thebigt]

And what does that have to do with me? I didn't start this thread, nor am I the one in here questioning you, or anybody else..lol

I am glad you like CN, I have no issues with you at all.

You came in here, and acted like I am a shill for MF, when all I have done is answer questions people had on their bulk CN.

If I see questions I can answer, should I just keep it to myself rather then help people? Should I let people discredit a company, sponsor or not, when I have the information to set the record straight?

Bottom line is this. I am a no BS kind of guy. If I was on another board that APS wasn't a sponsor on, and saw someone say "I heard APS sources their CN from Bin Laden" and I knew, and could prove otherwise, I would set them straight as well.

There are A LOT of bull**** companies out there, selling snake oil, to supplement junkies, so when I see someone doing things right, be it a sponsor of this forum, or not, I will commend them. The same way I would speak in favor of Nutra on other forums.

:cheers:

 

[WhatsaRoid?]

:cheers:

I've been thinking I want a drink the whole day haha (sipping on my premium protein)

 

[thebigt]

I've been thinking I want a drink the whole day haha (sipping on my premium protein)

lol-that must be some damn good stuff!!!

 

[WhatsaRoid?]

This is a TL rep quoting Ron Kramer:

"As far as I know, my distributor did NOT send it to them(MF). I will confirm with him but I sure didn't send them any. That means they are selling black market goods".

I asked them if they could explain the certificate of analysis, and Ron's signature.

They have not responded yet.

I like how you have five posts so far.

 

[WhatsaRoid?]

What's your point?

I have 1,059 posts on BB.com.

Feel free to check out the thread. It is on the first page of the supplement section.

So you came here from body building.com just to post about MF bulk CN? Why is my point lets drop it, I have the bulk from MF and caps from aps and san. They all feel the same except sans give the ba tingle after so many pills. Whats the point in beating a dead horse here?

 

[oufinny]

So you came here from body building.com just to post about MF bulk CN? Why is my point lets drop it, I have the bulk from MF and caps from aps and san. They all feel the same except sans give the ba tingle after so many pills. Whats the point in beating a dead horse here?

Thank you! I am sick of this back and forth. Take the damn CN, post your thoughts, and STFU already. Some of you people are so polar in one way or the other I question if you are capable of an objective thought. You know what, I am going to take CN for myself and give an honest log regardless of if I got it free from APS or not. If a supplement sucks, you could pay me a G and I will still trash it. End rant/ :think:

 

[southpaw23]

I agree with oufinny. This shouldn't be about brand loyalty, or sponsors vs non-sponsors, this is about providing honest reviews regarding products that help people reach their fitness goals, or at least that's what it should be about.

This back and forth is pointless. If bulk CN works, then go for it and post a review so that people can benefit from it. It's as simple as that. DAdams and someone else mentioned Dsade, both vouched for the guy at MF. I doubt that both of these guys would risk their reputation on dealing with a shady company, in lieu of the fact that they operate their own.

 

[Outstanding]

Basis for my skepticism

Thermolife holds the patent to the term creatrate
* Nutraplanet (customs) contacted Themolife and inquired about purchasing creatrate for bulk resell
* Nutraplanet was denied and was told by thermolife that "none of the Nitrate products would ever be green-lighted for bulk sales"
*Custom then went on to further inform us and warn us that "there are Chinese companies selling these nitrate products in opposition to Thermolife's patent"[\indent]

So this makes me wonder how is MF able to sell creatrate in bulk when thermolife specifically said that NONE of their nitrates products would be for sale in bulk form

Then theres more..

*

states that their "Creatrate" consit of a blend of Creatine Nitrate, Creatine Anhydrous, Creatine HCL
* Yet MF states THIER creatrate contains no other creatines and is only creatine nitrate[\indent]

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This is VERY interesting - reps. I've always thought (the company selling bulk Creatrate) was well above this type of business. Creatrate shouldn't even be used, since it's a trademarked term, if it was purchased from China and not Thermolife, right? Anyway, I'm not educated on this subject, so I don't want to assume anything or jump to conclusions.

PS: Has anyone requested or seen a lab assay, I know they have a CoA on the site, right? (the company selling Creatrate) certifies everything they sale, so if they found a true Creatine Nitrate from China, there's really no difference between that and Thermolife's raw.
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[Outstanding]

Is the site legit? Do they have the rights to sell Creatrate?

Has anyone received their CN?

I've been using it for a few days now, bought a pound last week - shipping was quick. I have to say, I trained back on it, along with legs, and both workouts seemed to have some pretty phenomenal pumps. I will say I could tell a huge difference between the two workouts, because I ran Creatine Nitrate + Vitamin C solo before one session, and CN/Vit-C/Power Shock/Agmatine Sulfate before the other. The additional BCAA Nitrates and Agmatine Sulfate really made a difference (and I felt zero side effects, as I only take the nitrates once-or-twice a day at most, and only take Power Shock on workout days).

 

[JudoJosh]

This is VERY interesting - reps. I've always thought (the company selling bulk Creatrate) was well above this type of business. Creatrate shouldn't even be used, since it's a trademarked term, if it was purchased from China and not Thermolife, right? Anyway, I'm not educated on this subject, so I don't want to assume anything or jump to conclusions.

PS: Has anyone requested or seen a lab assay, I know they have a CoA on the site, right? (the company selling Creatrate) certifies everything they sale, so if they found a true Creatine Nitrate from China, there's really no difference between that and Thermolife's raw.

Thanks.. again I am NOT asserting that MF is selling fake CN I am only questioning the probability of it being what it says it is. If the creatine nitrate is from China then you are correct they are not legally allowed to use the term creatrate and that is trademarked to thermolife. By them putting creatrate on the bag means it HAS to be from thermolife or a distributor of thermolife. Only way to know for sure is to contact thermolife and ask them to verify if MF creatrate is theirs or not. The problem with this is several things can result. Either the CN is from china and MF will most likely get sued for using thermolifes trademarked name, or it is thermolifes CN but they dont have the right to sell bulk in which case will be asked to stop and then bye bye bulk OR it is thermolifes creatrate product and everything is all good.

Who knows :dunno: I for sure dont, as I said before I am not making any definitive statements about MF or their products I only posted some points because a lot of people were posting so confidently without any objective thoughts about it. It was made to seem like a black and white issue but if you take into account all the info it gets a little gray.

We all know in the supplement game it is unregulated and any company can bottle what ever they want and put what ever they want on the label. We have seen this done before, especially with companies that pop up overnight. I PERSONALLY have never heard of them or dealt with them before so I am just exercising a little caution. I know people have said they purchased from them before in the past and for those people I am sure there is a little more confidence in the company but for someone who has never heard of them I think more skepticism is very reasonable

As to if it will be the same even if it is from china? I can not really answer that question. I am not a chemist so I dont know all that is involved in creating a creatine nitrate.

 

[Frank Reynolds]

PS: Has anyone requested or seen a lab assay, I know they have a CoA on the site, right? (the company selling Creatrate) certifies everything they sale, so if they found a true Creatine Nitrate from China, there's really no difference between that and Thermolife's raw.

Read a page or so back, this has all been posted.

Of course other companies are scared. This place is selling it at a fraction of the cost, and showing how cheap these supplements REALLY are.

What will happen if it is legit is, all these other companies are going to bulldoze them, and try to get PI/TL to make them stop selling the bulk.

Even if another company beat them to the bulk, there is no telling what it would have been priced at. MF brought this out for dirt cheap, when in actuality could have sold t for $30 for 150g and people would have still bought it.

I really want to see how this plays out, but personally, I may buy another 5lbs, before this whole thing disappears.

 

[kfairhurst]

Please let us know the outcome of that call with thermolife

Ron will be contacting Muscle Feast, and I'll post up an official statement as soon as I get one.

If anyone has direct contact to the owner of Muscle Feast, that would be much appreciated.

Thank you.

 

[mw1]

If they purchased it from Premium ingreds then it shouldn't be a problem.

 

[kfairhurst]

If they purchased it from Premium ingreds then it shouldn't be a problem.

The problem is we aren't sure if Premium indeed sent it to them, and if they should have sent it to them.

IMO Bulk CN isn't safe, how many times have you heard of people confusing a tsp with a tablespoon and etc?

 

[WhatsaRoid?]

The problem is we aren't sure if Premium indeed sent it to them, and if they should have sent it to them.

IMO Bulk CN isn't safe, how many times have you heard of people confusing a tsp with a tablespoon and etc?

Haha great post. I like how this thread went from I want CN to OMG where did they get their bulk CN and is it safe all of a sudden. If Nutra would have gotten this none of these questions would have came up. I like how everyone trusts nutra so much, if you guys only knew.