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Bulk Creatine Nitrate

I've used Powershock myself and can't tell the difference between that or any other BCAA product. From my understanding, Powershock requires 2 scoops to be effective and I add another scoop of 4:1:1 bulk BCAA along with that.

I believe the same supplier of the bulk creatine product creatrate, is also working on a BCAA nitrate product, scheduled to be posted up on their site Wednesday. I see they also offer bulk protein products, are those a good value as well? I've never purchased bulk protein, but if anyone has taken a look at their pricing and can tell me how it compares to other bulk protein suppliers, it would be greatly appreciated! =)
 
MidwestBeast said:
Just make sure to keep an eye on your total nitrate intake.

I like VPX, but Power Shock didn't do anything extra for me than bulk BCAAs or other amino products did. Yok3d also didn't do anything significant for me. Creatine Nitrate is the only nitrate product I've used so far that's been effective (for me).
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StakedCop said:
I went thru 2 tubs of power shock and it's the same as purple wrath IMO no better of a pump or recovery.
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You guys still got those nitrate products? Try stacking them with some creatine mono and see if you notice anything compareable to the creatine nitrate
 
JudoJosh said:
You guys still got those nitrate products? Try stacking them with some creatine mono and see if you notice anything compareable to the creatine nitrate
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Didn't even think about that.

I ran the PS quite a ways back. I do still have some more of the beta Yok3d, though. However, the dosing time on it was so far out in advance that I'd hate wasting creatine nitrate that far out lol.
 
southpaw23 said:
I've used Powershock myself and can't tell the difference between that or any other BCAA product. From my understanding, Powershock requires 2 scoops to be effective and I add another scoop of 4:1:1 bulk BCAA along with that.

I believe the same manufacturer of the bulk creatine product creatrate, is also working on a BCAA nitrate product, scheduled to be posted up on their site Wednesday. I see they also offer bulk protein products, are those a good value as well? I've never purchased bulk protein, but if anyone has taken a look at their pricing and can tell me how it compares to other bulk protein suppliers, it would be greatly appreciated! =)
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my FAVORITE protein - $75 for 10lbs Invalid Link Removed

I never had their vanilla but the chocolate is :food:
 
MidwestBeast said:
Didn't even think about that.

I ran the PS quite a ways back. I do still have some more of the beta Yok3d, though. However, the dosing time on it was so far out in advance that I'd hate wasting creatine nitrate that far out lol.
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it should give a somewhat effect.. might be tricky to figure out the timing to take each to get the optimal effect but in theory the creatine and nitrate work separately and the reason CN is so effective is because the raised amount of nitrate so if you take creatine mono along with something that released nitrates it should give the same effect. Will have to be a lot of trial and error trying to find out timing and how much to take. Prolly will be more cost effective to just get APS CN, just an idea if you already have a nitrate product on hand
 
JudoJosh said:
my FAVORITE protein - $75 for 10lbs Invalid Link Removed

I never had their vanilla but the chocolate is :food:
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Thanks for the heads up Judo! It looks like the basic concentrate/isolate blend like they have at Walmart. How does it taste? Protein powders are the only products that I'd prefer taste good, since I take in 3 shakes a day, anything else I'm game.
 
southpaw23 said:
Thanks for the heads up Judo! It looks like the basic concentrate/isolate blend like they have at Walmart. How does it taste? Protein powders are the only products that I'd prefer taste good, since I take in 3 shakes a day, anything else I'm game.
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it taste good and is aspartame free. get a 2lb jar to taste it or try the scivation website to see if they got samples
 
JudoJosh said:
it taste good and is aspartame free. get a 2lb jar to taste it or try the scivation website to see if they got samples
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Thanks, I will definitely check it out.

What's the consensus regarding BCAA supplementation as an intra-aid, with respect to dosing? I usually do CN pre and use powershock as my intra. How many grams of BCAA's in everyone taking in?
 
southpaw23 said:
Thanks, I will definitely check it out.

What's the consensus regarding BCAA supplementation as an intra-aid, with respect to dosing? I usually do CN pre and use powershock as my intra. How many grams of BCAA's in everyone taking in?
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Approximately 40 grams thru out the day with my largest dose post working and upon waking. Google layne norton Bcaas
 
MidwestBeast said:
Just make sure to keep an eye on your total nitrate intake.

I like VPX, but Power Shock didn't do anything extra for me than bulk BCAAs or other amino products did. Yok3d also didn't do anything significant for me. Creatine Nitrate is the only nitrate product I've used so far that's been effective (for me).
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I keep hearing so much great information about Creatine Nitrate, really looking forward to it. I actually do feel a difference on Power Shock, especially when paired with Agmatine Sulfate.

southpaw23 said:
I've used Powershock myself and can't tell the difference between that or any other BCAA product. From my understanding, Powershock requires 2 scoops to be effective and I add another scoop of 4:1:1 bulk BCAA along with that.

I believe the same supplier of the bulk creatine product creatrate, is also working on a BCAA nitrate product, scheduled to be posted up on their site Wednesday. I see they also offer bulk protein products, are those a good value as well? I've never purchased bulk protein, but if anyone has taken a look at their pricing and can tell me how it compares to other bulk protein suppliers, it would be greatly appreciated! =)
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Yes, actually 'that' supplier has the BCAA Nitrate product in stock they said, but has not put it up on the site yet. I like the flavoring of VPX's product, so I think I'll stick with it, but who knows I'm always open to try new things. HEY NOT LIKE THAT!

JudoJosh said:
You guys still got those nitrate products? Try stacking them with some creatine mono and see if you notice anything compareable to the creatine nitrate
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This is what I was planning on doing, I'll be going into more detail on my experiences over in my journal. I also have some Creatine MagnaPOWER left, but I really can't tell any difference. Over all the years, I KEEP coming right back to Monohydrate. Hopefully, Creatine Nitrate pans out!

southpaw23 said:
Thanks, I will definitely check it out.

What's the consensus regarding BCAA supplementation as an intra-aid, with respect to dosing? I usually do CN pre and use powershock as my intra. How many grams of BCAA's in everyone taking in?
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I used to take Power Shock intra workout as well, until I read that Nitrates take about 30 minutes to kick in. So now I make sure to take it with my other supplements prior.
 
For everyone who is interested, they now have APS Creatine Nitrate at Nutraplanet and for a pretty good price!
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200 caps for $28!!! not bad for a product you KNOW will work from a TRUSTWORTHY company and not some shady sites selling bulks
 
JudoJosh said:
200 caps for $28!!! not bad for a product you KNOW will work from a TRUSTWORTHY company and not some shady sites selling bulks
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Well, good thing the bulk Creatrate comes from a well known and trustworthy company! :smirk:

StakedCop said:
I might be willing to pay the extra buck for a capped product. CN taste like battery acid!!!!
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Have you tried mixing it with anything flavored, or are you just parachuting it?
 
hoopem6 said:
Well, good thing the bulk Creatrate comes from a well known and trustworthy company! :smirk:



Have you tried mixing it with anything flavored, or are you just parachuting it?
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I'm mixing it with grape crystal light and random pre work out samples. I'm crazy but not that crazy
 
StakedCop said:
I'm mixing it with grape crystal light and random pre work out samples. I'm crazy but not that crazy
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Gotcha. Yeah, I mixed ~1.5gm with a scoop of the Orange flavored Cellucor C4 Extreme and didn't notice anything out of the ordinary in terms of taste.
 
hoopem6 said:
Gotcha. Yeah, I mixed ~1.5gm with a scoop of the Orange flavored Cellucor C4 Extreme and didn't notice anything out of the ordinary in terms of taste.
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I mixed 3 grams and it taste like death lol I normally love my home made drinks from bulk powders. Last thing to taste this nasty IMO was CEE and that stuff ****ed my liver up
 
vudoo said:
how much CN is in a serving of APS caps?
Did anyone get their delivery from the bulk CN place yet?
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beleive 4 caps = 3g, and its now on NP for $29 a bottle @ 200 caps
 
vudoo said:
how much CN is in a serving of APS caps?
Did anyone get their delivery from the bulk CN place yet?
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8 cap daily serving is 3g's of Creatine Nitrate, I recommend taking 6 caps pre-workout and 2 caps post for best results imo, some other do like taking all 8 caps pre-workout tho, everyone seems to be a bit different.

We also have Dicreatine Malate and Vit C in our product.
 
imprezivr6 said:
$29 for 75g of CN -VS- $32 for 453g of CN. I guess it comes down to just how important it being capped is.
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It includes more than just CN. It has creatine malate and vitamin c. You can't take more than a couple grams of CN without side effects so you would need to supplement with another form of creatine if you wanted a standard dose of creatine.
 
Ev52 said:
It includes more than just CN. It has creatine malate and vitamin c. You can't take more than a couple grams of CN without side effects so you would need to supplement with another form of creatine if you wanted a standard dose of creatine.
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Clearly there is other ingredients, BUT the bottom line is people are buying this for the CN.

Both of those are DIRT cheap. It would cost practically nothing to add those 2 ingredients, separately. You are talking maybe 7-8 cents, per serving to add 3g additional creatine malate.

If capping is worth the price to you, go for it. Bulks aren't for everyone.
 
JudoJosh said:
200 caps for $28!!! not bad for a product you KNOW will work from a TRUSTWORTHY company and not some shady sites selling bulks
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The raw site I bought from it totally legit, all manufactured under cGMP and tested. Are you referring to another site we don't know about, or just trying to downplay and vilify the competition for no tangible reason?

StakedCop said:
I might be willing to pay the extra buck for a capped product. CN taste like battery acid!!!!
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I got my Creatrate in the other day, made a couple hundred 00 capsules, and I've been on it for a few days now - LOVE IT!!! I already wrote about it in my journal, wow, it's solid. Looks like all the reviews about Creatine Nitrate were true.

All I have to do is add in some dirt cheap Vitamin-C, and I'm good to go, for MUCH less than a labeled pre-made product. I just watched a Netflix movie on PS3 while I capped some powders :)

imprezivr6 said:
If CN is patented, wouldn't that mean both companies are using the same raws?
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Yes - no difference, except price.

imprezivr6 said:
$29 for 75g of CN -VS- $32 for 453g of CN. I guess it comes down to just how important it being capped is.
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WOW, I had no idea it was that drastic of a difference! I just bought the product because I knew it was better prices, but not that dramatic. Thanks for doing the math!

imprezivr6 said:
Clearly there is other ingredients, BUT the bottom line is people are buying this for the CN.

Both of those are DIRT cheap. It would cost practically nothing to add those 2 ingredients, separately. You are talking maybe 7-8 cents, per serving to add 3g additional creatine malate.

If capping is worth the price to you, go for it. Bulks aren't for everyone.
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True, capping might not be for everyone. But, it is just so easy. I always use 00 or 000 and I get a lot of powder in there after tamping it down, throw a good Liam Neeson movie on the TV, and grind out a few hundred capsules of whatever I'm making any given day. I love the process, like waxing a car, gives you that pride-full feeling, haha! ;)

Anyway, to touch on my first experience training back on Creatrate (Creatine Nitrate bulk power) it was phenomenal. I took 4g pre and 4g post, along with Power Shock pre and 500mg Agmatine Sulfate.

I don't believe in Power Shock as an intra-workout aid at all, since the Nitrates take at least 30 minutes to become active in the blood.
 
Got my bulk CN yesterday...Unfortunately, UPS came after my workout. Can't wait to try it out today though.
 
I would like to know what the Nitrate ratio is in the bulk, for instance powershock 6gs of bcca doesn't give crazy pumps like 2gs of APS CN so there has to be a big difference in amount of Nitrates, which makes me curious because if Outstanding is taking 4g's pre and 4g's post I would think you would pass out if you took that much of APS CN.

I don't see any reason to go over 3g's of CN pre-workout...
 
JudgementDay said:
I would like to know what the Nitrate ratio is in the bulk, for instance powershock 6gs of bcca doesn't give crazy pumps like 2gs of APS CN so there has to be a big difference in amount of Nitrates, which makes me curious because if Outstanding is taking 4g's pre and 4g's post I would think you would pass out if you took that much of APS CN.

I don't see any reason to go over 3g's of CN pre-workout...
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Good point, since I have three bottles of APS CN and my Bulk CN came today I'll test 4g of APS right now and go for a jog haha. If I feel light headed at all I'll post back regarding but I'm still trying to decide how the hell I'm going to use CN in bulk I might try mixing with Gatorade :/
 
I'm still concerned that they won't sell to nutra and say that they are not doing bulks but yet someone has it? If they were going to sell bulks it would be very poor business not to sell to nutra. It just doesnt make sense...
 
JudgementDay said:
I would like to know what the Nitrate ratio is in the bulk, for instance powershock 6gs of bcca doesn't give crazy pumps like 2gs of APS CN so there has to be a big difference in amount of Nitrates, which makes me curious because if Outstanding is taking 4g's pre and 4g's post I would think you would pass out if you took that much of APS CN.

I don't see any reason to go over 3g's of CN pre-workout...
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Why would the nitrate ratio be any different, on a patented product, from the same supplier?

Just curious.
Ev52 said:
I'm still concerned that they won't sell to nutra and say that they are not doing bulks but yet someone has it? If they were going to sell bulks it would be very poor business not to sell to nutra. It just doesnt make sense...
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I would like to know why that is as well, maybe there is more to the story though.
 
WhatsaRoid? said:
Good point, since I have three bottles of APS CN and my Bulk CN came today I'll test 4g of APS right now and go for a jog haha. If I feel light headed at all I'll post back regarding but I'm still trying to decide how the hell I'm going to use CN in bulk I might try mixing with Gatorade :/
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Well there is 3g's of Creatine Nitrate in 8 caps, I really wouldn't recommend trying 4g's, 4gs all at once is too much imo
 
my dad once told me-if it sounds to good to be true, it probably is.:wink1:
 
Outstanding said:
The raw site I bought from it totally legit, all manufactured under cGMP and tested. Are you referring to another site we don't know about, or just trying to downplay and vilify the competition for no tangible reason?



I got my Creatrate in the other day, made a couple hundred 00 capsules, and I've been on it for a few days now - LOVE IT!!! I already wrote about it in my journal, wow, it's solid. Looks like all the reviews about Creatine Nitrate were true.

All I have to do is add in some dirt cheap Vitamin-C, and I'm good to go, for MUCH less than a labeled pre-made product. I just watched a Netflix movie on PS3 while I capped some powders :)



Yes - no difference, except price.



WOW, I had no idea it was that drastic of a difference! I just bought the product because I knew it was better prices, but not that dramatic. Thanks for doing the math!



True, capping might not be for everyone. But, it is just so easy. I always use 00 or 000 and I get a lot of powder in there after tamping it down, throw a good Liam Neeson movie on the TV, and grind out a few hundred capsules of whatever I'm making any given day. I love the process, like waxing a car, gives you that pride-full feeling, haha! ;)

Anyway, to touch on my first experience training back on Creatrate (Creatine Nitrate bulk power) it was phenomenal. I took 4g pre and 4g post, along with Power Shock pre and 500mg Agmatine Sulfate.

I don't believe in Power Shock as an intra-workout aid at all, since the Nitrates take at least 30 minutes to become active in the blood.
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That's a ****load of nitrates.
 
JudgementDay said:
Well there is 3g's of Creatine Nitrate in 8 caps, I really wouldn't recommend trying 4g's, 4gs all at once is too much imo
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Unless the supplier of the bulk is lying about its origin, it would have to be the same raw.

Speaking to the owner it sounds as if they get all their raws from Premium Ingredients(protein, bcaas, etc). That would be quite a lie, and fairly easy to prove/disprove.
 
JudgementDay said:
I have no idea if it's different, but if someone is taking 8gs a day thats what makes me wonder if it is...
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Good point although he never tried APS CN so he might not have known how much he should take, I know the bulk bag doesn't suggest taking that much. I took 10 caps APS CN and so far so good although I don't plan to do this again.
 
WhatsaRoid? said:
Good point, since I have three bottles of APS CN and my Bulk CN came today I'll test 4g of APS right now and go for a jog haha. If I feel light headed at all I'll post back regarding but I'm still trying to decide how the hell I'm going to use CN in bulk I might try mixing with Gatorade :/
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Remember to carry a note telling the medics what you took and your contact and in case of emergency numbers...
 
Outstanding said:
Finally pulled the trigger and purchased some bulk Creatine Nitrate, looking forward to reporting back. It's a small risk, and if I love it like many of the members say I will (BigT, where are you?) then all the better.

Power Shock (BCAA Nitrates) will stack very well with it.
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creatine nitrate is the real deal. i would not have been yelling that from the roof tops if it weren't. just be careful, i get horrible doms if dosed too high, for too long. be careful not to overdo it.
 
JudgementDay said:
I have no idea if it's different, but if someone is taking 8gs a day thats what makes me wonder if it is...
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I already posted the blurb from the suppliers website, it's pure Creatine Nitrate. I didn't weigh my capsules after I made them, they are 00 size, so I am assuming I was able to fit in about 6-800mg each, and I took 6 pre and 6 post.

I felt absolutely zero negative side effects, but I did get a body rocking pump.

Here's the information from the Creatrate providers site again:

Purity and Concentration of our Creatine Nitrate

Our Creatine Nitrate powder is assayed by the manufacturer to be 99.5% pure, according to HPLC standardized testing methods. It contains no fillers, taste additives, or anti-caking agents.
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