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fightbackhxc

fightbackhxc

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Creatine Nitrate vs GPLC. GO!
 
fightbackhxc said:
Creatine Nitrate vs GPLC. GO!
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I've never used creatine nitrate (but keep hearing good things about it), and Invalid Link Removed does nothing for me (I am one of the rare people who are non-responders to NO and similar products).

Manipulating training and nutrition is what gives me a pump :)

~Rosie~
 
fightbackhxc said:
Creatine Nitrate vs GPLC. GO!
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I have used Pre-max I am still using it.. 4.5g GPLC..... I am currently using Creatine Nitrate plus Pre-max.... I can tell that those two combo is crazy and the pump I got the other day doing Bi was volcanic... I did try the CN by it self for leg day and went sking yeterday well I can say that I could not get my ski boots on becasue my Calf did not fit!!! I have never tried GPLC stright up... But Can tell you CN is the real deal and GPLC wel lI have allways used Pre-max since last year and that supp is the bomb.. put those two togather you will not be able to fit into your T's or Jeans!!!!!! good Stuff.

.I want to try APS Mesomorph that alos has 4.5g of GPLC
 
islandmagic said:
I have used Pre-max I am still using it.. 4.5g GPLC..... I am currently using Creatine Nitrate plus Pre-max.... I can tell that those two combo is crazy and the pump I got the other day doing Bi was volcanic... I did try the CN by it self for leg day and went sking yeterday well I can say that I could not get my ski boots on becasue my Calf did not fit!!! I have never tried GPLC stright up... But Can tell you CN is the real deal and GPLC wel lI have allways used Pre-max since last year and that supp is the bomb.. put those two togather you will not be able to fit into your T's or Jeans!!!!!! good Stuff.

.I want to try APS Mesomorph that alos has 4.5g of GPLC
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The newer version does not contain GPLC now...
 
islandmagic said:
I have used Pre-max I am still using it.. 4.5g GPLC..... I am currently using Creatine Nitrate plus Pre-max.... I can tell that those two combo is crazy and the pump I got the other day doing Bi was volcanic... I did try the CN by it self for leg day and went sking yeterday well I can say that I could not get my ski boots on becasue my Calf did not fit!!! I have never tried GPLC stright up... But Can tell you CN is the real deal and GPLC wel lI have allways used Pre-max since last year and that supp is the bomb.. put those two togather you will not be able to fit into your T's or Jeans!!!!!! good Stuff.

.I want to try APS Mesomorph that alos has 4.5g of GPLC
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I want to try this, so far I have only used GPLC/Pre Max, and would love to add in creatine nitrate. For now GPLC is the best, actually it's just right, not overpowering.
 
imma go for the knockout and say both
 
islandmagic said:
WTF No and it still cost so same--Are BSing me???
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If you look hard enough you can find it for $32.50 a bottle and we just had the bogo deal going on.

Mesomorph contains high amounts of Beta Alanine, Citrulline Malate, Icarrin, Agmatine Sulfate, Glucoronolactone and also added Creatine Nitrate to the new formula. Everyone doing logs on Mesomorph are saying it's the best Pre-workout they have ever used....that says it all right there.

The old formula had 3g's which wasn't the clinical dose so we made Nitrozine which has 4.5g's of GPLC and 1g of Agmatine Sulfate.

I'm using Mesomorph/Creatine Nitrate/Nitrozine at the moment and you can't get a better pump then Creatine Nitrate, I feel GPLC is more for endurance and performance, also helps with Vascularity and other positives, but can't compare the pump effect from Creatine Nitrate.

Mesomorph/Creatine Nitrate/ Nitrozine <---Best Natural stack on the planet IMO
 
HereToStudy said:
This is not accurate at all. PreMax still contains the clinically proven 4.5g dose of GPLC that it always has. Which IMO is the king of pumps.
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dosent ur site sell pure gplc? any discounts i was thinking of adding it to jacked?
 
JudgementDay said:
If you look hard enough you can find it for $32.50 a bottle and we just had the bogo deal going on.

Mesomorph contains high amounts of Beta Alanine, Citrulline Malate, Icarrin, Agmatine Sulfate, Glucoronolactone and also added Creatine Nitrate to the new formula. Everyone doing logs on Mesomorph are saying it's the best Pre-workout they have ever used....that says it all right there.

The old formula had 3g's which wasn't the clinical dose so we made Nitrozine which has 4.5g's of GPLC and 1g of Agmatine Sulfate.

I'm using Mesomorph/Creatine Nitrate/Nitrozine at the moment and you can't get a better pump then Creatine Nitrate, I feel GPLC is more for endurance and performance, also helps with Vascularity and other positives, but can't compare the pump effect from Creatine Nitrate.

Mesomorph/Creatine Nitrate/ Nitrozine <---Best Natural stack on the planet IMO
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I take your world because u did tell me CN Was the truth.. Why not just add the full serving of GPLC?
 
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the best pump i have had is on n.o. bomb at 6 caps and carnobolic at 4 caps. i also take a black cat for a stim. it doesnt get any better than this for me.
 
Not totally OT, but I thought "pumps" were proven to be relatively "useless" aside from the short term aesthetic effects.
 
Whacked said:
Not totally OT, but I thought "pumps" were proven to be relatively "useless" aside from the short term aesthetic effects.
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lol-useless!!!!!


not useless when pumps translate into growth. i have put a full 3/4 inch on my arms in the last month and a half using APS products. gplc is overrated as well as being over priced-the results i have gotten from mesomorph/creatine nitrate blow away what i got from gplc.


APS is on the cutting edge....:biggthumpup:
 
Whacked said:
Not totally OT, but I thought "pumps" were proven to be relatively "useless" aside from the short term aesthetic effects.
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Pumps are no indication of the quality of a training session, no (they're more a "feel good/look good" thing, IMO), so one should never focus on this. Your blood vessels can be dilated without you getting a pump.

~Rosie~
 
thebigt said:
lol-useless!!!!!


not useless when pumps translate into growth. i have put a full 3/4 inch on my arms in the last month and a half using APS products. gplc is overrated as well as being over priced-the results i have gotten from mesomorph/creatine nitrate blow away what i got from gplc.


APS is on the cutting edge....:biggthumpup:
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T, I don't doubt your results with the aps products (I myself will eventually try them out) but to compare using multiple products (one with multiple ingredients) to a one ingredient product is pretty worthless, it's like saying "you know bread doesn't do it for me, because it doesn't taste like a peanut butter and jelly sandwich."
 
HereToStudy said:
T, I don't doubt your results with the aps products (I myself will eventually try them out) but to compare using multiple products (one with multiple ingredients) to a one ingredient product is pretty worthless, it's like saying "you know bread doesn't do it for me, because it doesn't taste like a peanut butter and jelly sandwich."
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creatine nitrate versus gplc.

try the creatine nitrate then we will talk.

there is no comparison.
 
thebigt said:
creatine nitrate versus gplc.

try the creatine nitrate then we will talk.

there is no comparison.
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but the pumps are secondary to any growth, it happens that creatine nitrate does both. Try 2 tbsp of vegetable glycerine plus 3g beta alanine pre- workout. You'll get the most insane pumps, but that doesn't mean you'll get growth.

Add viagra or cialis to make it even crazier.
 
Agreed ;)

Rosie Chee Scott said:
Pumps are no indication of the quality of a training session, no (they're more a "feel good/look good" thing, IMO), so one should never focus on this. Your blood vessels can be dilated without you getting a pump.

~Rosie~
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EasyEJL said:
but the pumps are secondary to any growth, it happens that creatine nitrate does both. Try 2 tbsp of vegetable glycerine plus 3g beta alanine pre- workout. You'll get the most insane pumps, but that doesn't mean you'll get growth.

Add viagra or cialis to make it even crazier.
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you are correct-creatine nitrate does both.

if you try mesomorph it has a whopping 4 gms of beta alanine in every scoop-plus the creatine nitrate.
 
thebigt said:
you are correct-creatine nitrate does both.

if you try mesomorph it has a whopping 4 gms of beta alanine in every scoop-plus the creatine nitrate.
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And how about I add GPLC to this mix:grouphug:

By the way, it is apparent to me that from feedback and from the science and research, that the creatine nitrate and GPLC are the only products that actually show improved performance for "NO" type supplements.

"The truth is, research clearly shows that oral supplementation of arginine based amino acids do not increase circulating NO levels or enhance blood flow, even at doses as high as 20g/day. (1-3) The only time arginine has ever shown a positive effect on blood flow is by large dosages given via intravenouss injection. (1)

While arginine may be the primary precursor to NO biosynthesis, it has not been found to be the rate limiting component of NO production. Rather, nitric oxide synthases such as endothelial nitric oxide synthase (eNOS) appears to be the primary rate limiting factor. (4)

This is where Glycine Propionyl-L-Carnitine (GlycoCarn) comes to dominate the market. GlycoCarn has been proven to increase the endothelial nitric oxide synthase and nitric oxide (NO) levels in human muscle. (5) Human clincal trials have also demonstrated Glycocarn to increase nitric oxide (NO) levels from exercise stimulation"
 
ryansm said:
And how about I add GPLC to this mix:grouphug:

By the way, it is apparent to me that from feedback and from the science and research, that the creatine nitrate and GPLC are the only products that actually show improved performance for "NO" type supplements.

"The truth is, research clearly shows that oral supplementation of arginine based amino acids do not increase circulating NO levels or enhance blood flow, even at doses as high as 20g/day. (1-3) The only time arginine has ever shown a positive effect on blood flow is by large dosages given via intravenouss injection. (1)

While arginine may be the primary precursor to NO biosynthesis, it has not been found to be the rate limiting component of NO production. Rather, nitric oxide synthases such as endothelial nitric oxide synthase (eNOS) appears to be the primary rate limiting factor. (4)

This is where Glycine Propionyl-L-Carnitine (GlycoCarn) comes to dominate the market. GlycoCarn has been proven to increase the endothelial nitric oxide synthase and nitric oxide (NO) levels in human muscle. (5) Human clincal trials have also demonstrated Glycocarn to increase nitric oxide (NO) levels from exercise stimulation"
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well with creatine nitrate not only do you get the added benefit of the nitrates, but APS NUTRITION said on shr that studies showed that bonding the nitrate to creatine made creatine's solubility 1000x better- and we already know that creatine by itself is very proven.
 
thebigt said:
you are correct-creatine nitrate does both.

if you try mesomorph it has a whopping 4 gms of beta alanine in every scoop-plus the creatine nitrate.
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It sure does! Another great pump product I've used is Glycergrow, ya get some crazy pumps but no growth what so ever, Creatine Nitrate seems to add nice mass and strength, pumps are just a bonus:D
 
Pumps can be a bonus, I am looking for actual improved performance from an NO product, which is why I use Glycocarn, trust me I will be using the creatine nitrate soon and I will definitely be logging it.
 
ryansm said:
Pumps can be a bonus, I am looking for actual improved performance from an NO product, which is why I use Glycocarn, trust me I will be using the creatine nitrate soon and I will definitely be logging it.
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ryan-i damn near guarantee you will be impressed by creatine nitrate. :stick:
 
Rosie Chee Scott said:
Pumps are no indication of the quality of a training session, no (they're more a "feel good/look good" thing, IMO), so one should never focus on this. Your blood vessels can be dilated without you getting a pump.

~Rosie~
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Amen
 
I see on Nutra that Mesomorph has been disco'd by APS.. Anything compare, or anywhere else I can find it?
 
enhanced said:
I see on Nutra that Mesomorph has been disco'd by APS.. Anything compare, or anywhere else I can find it?
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nutra i supposed to be carrying aps products soon-starting this coming week i hope!!!!!




aps is a very hot brand on this forum-can't believe nutra is dragging their feet on picking them up-amazing?????
 
I'm curiois what's so uniqye about nitrate, what is it
 
I just picked up some APS Creatine Nitrate... Been using GLPC for a while. We'll see the verdict soon enough.
 
Yes pls post on here
 
sluggy said:
I just picked up some APS Creatine Nitrate... Been using GLPC for a while. We'll see the verdict soon enough.
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I would like to hear your feedback too, and perhaps you can stack the two down the line and let us know how effective it is as well.
 
having a pump where the nitric oxide is actually in the muscle can stretch the fascia which is a good benefit.
 
I have done quite a bit of both by themselves.Creatine nitrate provides a much more noticeable effect on performance for sure.When i ran glycocarn at 6grms/day i felt really good in an overall sense,my recovery and endurance seemed to be enhanced but other then that not too much more of a performance boost.Just remember feeling great the whole time.For glcocarn i think the performance effects are over rated and the general health aspect is under rated.For creatine nitrate....The sh!t just flat out works great.Nothing has ever had such impact on my workouts like creatine nitrate except for "hormonal supplements",i am blown away.So they are both great supplements for very different reasons.
 
fightbackhxc said:
having a pump where the nitric oxide is actually in the muscle can stretch the fascia which is a good benefit.
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Which product are you refering too?
 
more knowledge said:
I have done quite a bit of both by themselves.Creatine nitrate provides a much more noticeable effect on performance for sure.When i ran glycocarn at 6grms/day i felt really good in an overall sense,my recovery and endurance seemed to be enhanced but other then that not too much more of a performance boost.Just remember feeling great the whole time.For glcocarn i think the performance effects are over rated and the general health aspect is under rated.For creatine nitrate....The sh!t just flat out works great.Nothing has ever had such impact on my workouts like creatine nitrate except for "hormonal supplements",i am blown away.So they are both great supplements for very different reasons.
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i know i am gonna get flamed for this, but here goes: i honestly feel that the mesomorph/creatine nitrate combo compares favorably to a ph cycle. the strength and size gains have been incredible. i just simply can't say enough good things about it.



IT'S GREAT!!!!!
 
thebigt said:
i know i am gonna get flamed for this, but here goes: i honestly feel that the mesomorph/creatine nitrate combo compares favorably to a ph cycle. the strength and size gains have been incredible. i just simply can't say enough good things about it.



IT'S GREAT!!!!!
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Ok, I am sold on trying C-Nitrate at some point, but this comment is :lmao:
 
thebigt said:
i know i am gonna get flamed for this, but here goes: i honestly feel that the mesomorph/creatine nitrate combo compares favorably to a ph cycle. the strength and size gains have been incredible. i just simply can't say enough good things about it.



IT'S GREAT!!!!!
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Why would you get flamed.Couple guys already made that analogy,plus carl lanore from super human radio said he feels just like he did when he took m1t,when he takes the creatine nitrate.So they beat you to it big t!:poke:
 
thebigt stop TROLLING! :) hahahahaha

im reallly debating on CN too, how long does a bottle last
 
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