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Well i know the nolva worked because i had some gyno flare up and its completely gone now. I actually just got back from getting my blood taken again. this time LabCorp is doing it and it should take aout 3 weeks to get the results. When i went to the endo last week he wrote me a script for it to be redone because he felt the other lab was very unreliable.

Good news is that i think it got messed up because i can still function "downstairs" fully, which wouldnt be possible with test levels of an 8 year old boy lol.
 
MikeGfilms said:
Well i know the nolva worked because i had some gyno flare up and its completely gone now. I actually just got back from getting my blood taken again. this time LabCorp is doing it and it should take aout 3 weeks to get the results. When i went to the endo last week he wrote me a script for it to be redone because he felt the other lab was very unreliable.

Good news is that i think it got messed up because i can still function "downstairs" fully, which wouldnt be possible with test levels of an 8 year old boy lol.
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Dude I was poppin boners at 9 u never know lol
 
MikeGfilms said:
Good news is that i think it got messed up because i can still function "downstairs" fully, which wouldnt be possible with test levels of an 8 year old boy lol.
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Maybe, but usually thats not a 1:1 indication of T levels.


Since you have received plenty of feedback on your T levels, I'll give you advice on your liver and lipids...

Use a bottle of Cycle Support, and 900mg of Pantethine daily.

(For T I'd run Clomid at 50 for 6 weeks.)
 
MikeGfilms said:
Good news is that i think it got messed up because i can still function "downstairs" fully, which wouldnt be possible with test levels of an 8 year old boy lol.
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Libido is not an indicator of test levels. I can think of 2 specific cases where test was in the single digits and the lucky fellas could still function. One was a 1test run, the other (you guessed it) superdrol.

Not trying to be a buzzkill, I'm hoping the updated draw shows more reasonable levels for you. I just think there's too many people that seem to refuse to believe the notion that many aren't recovering after a SD pct. So, I'm just trying to balance out the perspectives.
 
celc5 said:
Libido is not an indicator of test levels. I can think of 2 specific cases where test was in the single digits and the lucky fellas could still function. One was a 1test run, the other (you guessed it) superdrol.
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Trib increases libido by stimulating androgen receptors in the brain. Just like you said, there are other biological pathways to libido than just test levels.
 
MikeGfilms said:
Yea i know idk wtf is up with my test levels. I dont feel shutdown or anything.

Nolva was real, Got it from legit Research company.
I dont see LH, would it be under anything else?
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I know of only 1 research compnay that I would trust implicitly.

In any event, I actually think the nolva isn't the issue here. At, what, 6 weeks post-cycle, even if the nolva was nothing more than sugar water, you should have recovered some on your own. SD may shut you down completely, but 6 weeks is more than enough time for the HPTA to recover a good deal on its own. Time on is a much greater factor in recovery than choice of compound, and he was only on for 4 weeks.

I think the lab screwed up the sample somehow. Either that, or you have a medical condition.

deadaim said:
If this is your attitude, I no longer care, nor wish to provide you help or support with your terrible terrible blood work.
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WTF is everyone in this thread talking about??? His BW is actually pretty damn good; no - excellent, really, for being drawn 2 weeks post-PCT. Liver enzymes are in great shape (although I'd like to see ALP checked). Cholesterol is in decent shape. The only thing that is F'ed up for being a month removed from Superdrol is his test level, which was addressed above. OP, unless the doc found something on the ultrasound, or your ALP level is very high (unlikely), I think you are 100% fine.
 
Well thats true. Its just i havent been feeling shutdown so its pretty wierd.

I have been taking cycle support and milk thistle w/ Dandelion, Licorice, and Fennel (good for kidneys) since the day before the first test.

Idk my Endo told me it would take 3 weeks because the samples are being sent out to Cali to get tested. Also he had my test levels, GH, IGF, and some other odd things tested but nothing like lipids, liver, etc. Thought that was kinda wierd but w.e
 
Dragon13 said:
WTF is everyone in this thread talking about??? His BW is actually pretty damn good; no - excellent, really, for being drawn 2 weeks post-PCT. Liver enzymes are in great shape (although I'd like to see ALP checked). Cholesterol is in decent shape. The only thing that is F'ed up for being a month removed from Superdrol is his test level, which was addressed above. OP, unless the doc found something on the ultrasound, or your ALP level is very high (unlikely), I think you are 100% fine.
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Well that sure makes me feel a little better haha. :196:
 
epilogue said:
Yeah I agree that the lab was screwed up somehow... 15 is insanely low.. I don't think any compound could be that supressive.
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I disagree with what you are saying about his lab results. They sound spot on for a powerful compound like MDrol. As an experiment I ran 5-mg of Mdrol for 30 days and had a sht ton of blood work to document, my test was shutdown after 15-days on 5-mgs-completely shutdown- think about 20-mgs and its affect...?

Anyway, you'll be fine, it just takes time, time, time. You are 21 dude, EAT EAT EAT and lift, fk you have tons of natural test as is.

I just got blood work back and my test levels were a 694 prior to what I'm running now 1-T Tren. I'm pretty much done with oral PH compounds and will auction off my Mdrol and Hdrol at some point here. I have a ton of the stuff, oh and a few unopened bottles of PPlex.

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Just remember these things take a LOT of time, no OTC pill or "natural test booster" is going to be a magic restoral...TIME will though.

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My doc offered me some advice after taking a supplement that fkd up my bloodwork: "Just remember before you take something you have to say to yourself 'Ok at what cost to myself am I willing to ingest this compound?'" -

Food for thought - best of luck bro!
 
sonny4753 said:
My doc offered me some advice after taking a supplement that fkd up my bloodwork: "Just remember before you take something you have to say to yourself 'Ok at what cost to myself am I willing to ingest this compound?'" -

Food for thought - best of luck bro!
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10-15lbs of lbm
 
I took m-drol and my liver values weren't high enough for me to get any further tests, hell, they let me get on accutane like a week after m-drol was over...
 
sonny4753 said:
I disagree with what you are saying about his lab results. They sound spot on for a powerful compound like MDrol. As an experiment I ran 5-mg of Mdrol for 30 days and had a sht ton of blood work to document, my test was shutdown after 15-days on 5-mgs-completely shutdown- think about 20-mgs and its affect...?

Anyway, you'll be fine, it just takes time, time, time. You are 21 dude, EAT EAT EAT and lift, fk you have tons of natural test as is.

I just got blood work back and my test levels were a 694 prior to what I'm running now 1-T Tren. I'm pretty much done with oral PH compounds and will auction off my Mdrol and Hdrol at some point here. I have a ton of the stuff, oh and a few unopened bottles of PPlex.

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Just remember these things take a LOT of time, no OTC pill or "natural test booster" is going to be a magic restoral...TIME will though.

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My doc offered me some advice after taking a supplement that fkd up my bloodwork: "Just remember before you take something you have to say to yourself 'Ok at what cost to myself am I willing to ingest this compound?'" -

Food for thought - best of luck bro!
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THat is very true but the reason we all here choose to take these compounds is to get to the next level. But damn at 15 days of 5mg??? thats pretty insane. What did your PCT look like? and how long would you say it took to fully recover?

Thanks,
Mike
 
MikeGfilms said:
THat is very true but the reason we all here choose to take these compounds is to get to the next level. But damn at 15 days of 5mg??? thats pretty insane. What did your PCT look like? and how long would you say it took to fully recover?

Thanks,
Mike
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LOl thats not that intense, if your taking exogenous hormones that are stronger than your natural test production your going to shut down, its normal.

Hdrol will completely drop you off, but you rebound a bit quicker than with more supressive compounds.
 
deadaim said:
LOl thats not that intense, if your taking exogenous hormones that are stronger than your natural test production your going to shut down, its normal.

Hdrol will completely drop you off, but you rebound a bit quicker than with more supressive compounds.
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Im saying at 5mg 2 weeks in...most ppl do 20-30mg for 4-5 weeks, to hear that 5mg will do that to you in 2 weeks, to me, is pretty insane considering what its usually dosed at.
 
MikeGfilms said:
Im saying at 5mg 2 weeks in...most ppl do 20-30mg for 4-5 weeks, to hear that 5mg will do that to you in 2 weeks, to me, is pretty insane considering what its usually dosed at.
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Absolutely, Superdrol is the one drug im hoping gets banned by the US government.
 
deadaim said:
LOl thats not that intense, if your taking exogenous hormones that are stronger than your natural test production your going to shut down, its normal.

Hdrol will completely drop you off, but you rebound a bit quicker than with more supressive compounds.
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I was wondering how suppressive something like superdrol would be if say your running an "epi" cycle for 4 weeks, and you "pulse" something like superdrol only on days before lifting, and time out your blood levels. I have superdrol, not sure if it will ever see my blood stream.
 
Zero V said:
I was wondering how suppressive something like superdrol would be if say your running an "epi" cycle for 4 weeks, and you "pulse" something like superdrol only on days before lifting, and time out your blood levels. I have superdrol, not sure if it will ever see my blood stream.
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Are your stats correct?
 
Just hop on hCG when running these compounds. I don't know why hCG is not so popular amongst many people running these compounds....
 
deadaim said:
Are your stats correct?
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I was "wondering", you will see me wondering and talking alot. Spent about 3 years wondering so far. The more you ask, the more you learn.

Dont think thats my plan :P Waiting till 180ish to 190ish before I put my lil stashies to use.

But not sure, if they are I havent looked lately. 161.2 @ 5'10 currently. Usage is some time off(probably not till half way through 2011). Doesnt mean I cant plan, learn, theorize, etc.

I study it, am fascinated by it, but have had too many ups and downs over the last couple years to use it without it being a "risky waste"

chocolatemilk said:
Just hop on hCG when running these compounds. I don't know why hCG is not so popular amongst many people running these compounds....
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I have been asking myself this lately, its easy enough to get. They say an oral cycle is too short to worry about it, but technically cant you make an oral cycle's PCT a freaking synch then?
 
If your going to get hcg and inject then you might as well get test, that is the "issue".

Just like dbol solo cycles.
 
deadaim said:
If your going to get hcg and inject then you might as well get test, that is the "issue".

Just like dbol solo cycles.
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true, but SubQ injections are alot less tricky than IM. (I have done subQ with slin pins for a peptide experiment before)

Clean, simple, and a small amount in comparison to inject oh lets say 1ml into your quad/glute.

I dont think I will mind that day, but I am trying to figure out why Orals seem to cause more suppression issues than long lasting inject cycles.



As for dbol solo runs, I always think of a bloated body...
 
deadaim said:
If your going to get hcg and inject then you might as well get test, that is the "issue".

Just like dbol solo cycles.
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I never understood why you should use hCG only for longer cycles... Please explain that to me deadaim... I think hCG is perfect for 4 weeks of SD. You know SD is gonna suppress the sh*t outta you for a month, why wouldn't you just keep yourself unsuppressed for that month with hCG. It will keep your test levels decent until you hit PCT. It will be easier to recover.
 
Zero V said:
true, but SubQ injections are alot less tricky than IM. .
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Zero is right. If it's just the idea that "well if you're gonna inject you should inject steroids too" that is Bullsh*t.

hCG injects are the same kinds diabetics have to take lol. There is nothing to them AT ALL. I myself have never touched injectable steroids but after researching hCG injections (I am scared titties of steroid injections btw) there is absolutely nothing to hCG injections. It's so easy and simple and so much safer to do while on these harsh compounds I don't understand why people are not jumping on this. This is golden here for your balls!!!
 
People use HcG to prevent testicular atrophy, which you dont really experience too much of on short oral cycles, but you really DO on longer injectable cycles.
 
deadaim said:
People use HcG to prevent testicular atrophy, which you dont really experience too much of on short oral cycles, but you really DO on longer injectable cycles.
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But preventing testicular atrophy means preventing shut down. And we can clearly see these 4 weeker compounds make you shut down.
 
No i mean literal atrophy, when the testes atrophy it makes it harder to recover until they have resumed to full size, but i agree it could really help on SD and other harsh oral cycles.
 
deadaim said:
No i mean literal atrophy, when the testes atrophy it makes it harder to recover until they have resumed to full size, but i agree it could really help on SD and other harsh oral cycles.
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Straight up. Honestly I feel kinda like you about your hatred for SD I really agree it's pretty bad lol ....but I love the idea of using SD safely since it's so damn wicked! And I think adding hCG to SD cycles will make it a 100x safer because running SD for 4 weeks is proving to be WAY suppressive. My 2 cents.
 
I think I can out gain anyone lb for lb that wants to run SD with almost any other compound on the market.

The average user will gain 15-20 lbs on cycle and that will drop to about 10 a month later./

Ill gain a solid 10lbs and put on five more before PCT is over and my body will love me.
 
I am on day 8 of SD, will be running 28 days, and I am up just a hair shy from 8 lbs. Some/most of this is probably glyogen right now but my strength is already going up, and I am bridging with Epi because it's mild and should help me ease into PCT while retaining more mass then with just SD alone. SD blows people up and that's why people also lose it. I think the addition of HcG kind of depends on each individual, and since I am on day 8 I cannot give my two cents just yet. I also am running at 30mg with no sides, no lethargy, nothing. The only thing it makes me is super hungry and thirsty, and I am hardly over my maintanence while keeping carbs very moderate. People say it will suck carbs up but that is not the case for me.

I think the numbers you put up sound pretty legit deadaim, just wondering how you came to this conclusion? Have you ever run SD before? I remember earlier this thread you said you were 21, and called yourself a kid but I was wondering what you were basing your numbers off of if you have never run it.

I think also the compound you get makes a difference, even though the nomenclature is the same for every company that produces a clone, nothing is going to guarantee results/sides or the lack thereof. The key I think with any cycle is to listen to your body and adjust according. If I hit atrophy on this cycle, well then next time I may just in fact run hcg with it, but since 4 weeks is relatively short (6 weeks if you count my bridge) I don't really see a need for it. Also trying D aspartic acid and 6 bromo if I need during PCT.
 
SouthernCharm said:
I am on day 8 of SD, will be running 28 days, and I am up just a hair shy from 8 lbs. Some/most of this is probably glyogen right now but my strength is already going up, and I am bridging with Epi because it's mild and should help me ease into PCT while retaining more mass then with just SD alone. SD blows people up and that's why people also lose it. I think the addition of HcG kind of depends on each individual, and since I am on day 8 I cannot give my two cents just yet. I also am running at 30mg with no sides, no lethargy, nothing. The only thing it makes me is super hungry and thirsty, and I am hardly over my maintanence while keeping carbs very moderate. People say it will suck carbs up but that is not the case for me.

I think the numbers you put up sound pretty legit deadaim, just wondering how you came to this conclusion? Have you ever run SD before? I remember earlier this thread you said you were 21, and called yourself a kid but I was wondering what you were basing your numbers off of if you have never run it.

I think also the compound you get makes a difference, even though the nomenclature is the same for every company that produces a clone, nothing is going to guarantee results/sides or the lack thereof. The key I think with any cycle is to listen to your body and adjust according. If I hit atrophy on this cycle, well then next time I may just in fact run hcg with it, but since 4 weeks is relatively short (6 weeks if you count my bridge) I don't really see a need for it. Also trying D aspartic acid and 6 bromo if I need during PCT.
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Wow thats good to hear, no sides at all at 30mg. Deff keep us updated on how the sides are while on superdrol, especially test related things (atrophy, lethargy, etc)
 
chocolatemilk said:
OP did you experience any test atrophy while on the SD???
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It was really wierd, It was kinda on and off, like somedays the boys would be shrunk and other days they were dropped. Also during the morning they seemed to be shrunk up and more so throughout the day they would drop low, espically at night. Which i thought was wierd because arent your test levels suppossed to be higher in the am?
 
MikeGfilms said:
Wow thats good to hear, no sides at all at 30mg. Deff keep us updated on how the sides are while on superdrol, especially test related things (atrophy, lethargy, etc)
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I am running a log. Southern Charms Turns up the Heat.


And I'm not saying my results are typical.. This is my first cycle, but I am a bigger guy and responding GREAT to my dosage. I started at 15mg, felt like I could handle more and am listening to my body every day. I am experiencing zero lethargy, in fact I am pumped up all day and loving it.
 
MikeGfilms said:
It was really wierd, It was kinda on and off, like somedays the boys would be shrunk and other days they were dropped. Also during the morning they seemed to be shrunk up and more so throughout the day they would drop low, espically at night. Which i thought was wierd because arent your test levels suppossed to be higher in the am?
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Actually I believe your estrogen levels are higher in the AM.
 
SouthernCharm said:
Actually I believe your estrogen levels are higher in the AM.
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go down to the part thats titled "How to raise Testosterone Naturally"

says 30% higher in the am.

And ill deff chime in and check out your log, go big or go home :AR15firing: hahaha
 
estro is higher evening hence ppl dosing nolva in the evening during pct and clomid morning
 
sonny4753 said:
I disagree with what you are saying about his lab results. They sound spot on for a powerful compound like MDrol. As an experiment I ran 5-mg of Mdrol for 30 days and had a sht ton of blood work to document, my test was shutdown after 15-days on 5-mgs-completely shutdown- think about 20-mgs and its affect...?

Anyway, you'll be fine, it just takes time, time, time. You are 21 dude, EAT EAT EAT and lift, fk you have tons of natural test as is.


I just got blood work back and my test levels were a 694 prior to what I'm running now 1-T Tren. I'm pretty much done with oral PH compounds and will auction off my Mdrol and Hdrol at some point here. I have a ton of the stuff, oh and a few unopened bottles of PPlex.

----

Just remember these things take a LOT of time, no OTC pill or "natural test booster" is going to be a magic restoral...TIME will though.

----

My doc offered me some advice after taking a supplement that fkd up my bloodwork: "Just remember before you take something you have to say to yourself 'Ok at what cost to myself am I willing to ingest this compound?'" -

Food for thought - best of luck bro!
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wait I thought m Drol was made in 10mg pills only? How you get 5 mg dosing?
 
different clones different dosing. sd is sold under many different names.
 
ZamaMan said:
wait I thought m Drol was made in 10mg pills only? How you get 5 mg dosing?
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Two methods:

1. Prim Perf made a SD Liquavade so it could be dosed however

2. 10mg caps can be split, although it may not be exactly equal. I did this for 3 weeks with great results: slow maintainable gains.

I have a small frame so additional muscle really stands out on me so people really start asking if I'm juicing. At 5mg I see a difference but not so drastic as to cause questions.
 
Got some more bad news...

this doesnt have to do with steroids or bloodwork tho lol. so i just got home from on hell of a night. i was in my buddys truck heading back to my place when in my hood we hydroplaned and hit a concrete pole (right side of engine), the pole snapped immediately, and his truck flipped on its side where we had to crawl out the back window in pouring rain while police and ambulances showed up. we all both straight and no injuries. neither of us were wearing seatbelts too btw....yes i know, very stupid. Just glad were both ok, thought id share with you my night.
 
MikeGfilms said:
Got some more bad news...

this doesnt have to do with steroids or bloodwork tho lol. so i just got home from on hell of a night. i was in my buddys truck heading back to my place when in my hood we hydroplaned and hit a concrete pole (right side of engine), the pole snapped immediately, and his truck flipped on its side where we had to crawl out the back window in pouring rain while police and ambulances showed up. we all both straight and no injuries. neither of us were wearing seatbelts too btw....yes i know, very stupid. Just glad were both ok, thought id share with you my night.
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oh man that sucks. Glad your okay. My wife the week i was gonna propose lost control of her suv crashed in a ditch, car flipped on side and broke a telephone pole than clipped a tree! All while i was on the line to hear. Scariest momen of my life.
 
ZamaMan said:
oh man that sucks. Glad your okay. My wife the week i was gonna propose lost control of her suv crashed in a ditch, car flipped on side and broke a telephone pole than clipped a tree! All while i was on the line to hear. Scariest momen of my life.
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holy sh!t man ! that blows my story out of the water lol. i hope her the best and good luck with the proposal.
 
MikeGfilms said:
holy sh!t man ! that blows my story out of the water lol. i hope her the best and good luck with the proposal.
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oh no it was like 2 years ago. But shockingly she climbed out and was fine. She was slightly sore for a day or two. She didnt even need to keep going to the chiropractor because she had no pain. It was amazing... I had more pain from a low speed fender bender. I guess her isuzu rodeo was built amazing well.

thanks btw
 
wow ^
 
yea that just makes the story even more crazy. after all that i cant believe she crawled out fine.

But yea some of the paramedics there said that if we woulda hit the pole like a foot more back it woulda hit the passenger door (where i was sitting) and woulda have been in really deep sh!t. first time i prayed to thank god in a good month or so.
 
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