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AX d/c products??!!??!?!

Say what? Sometimes I feel like i'm just spinning in circles with people's responses...

Right now there are three possible(so far) drugs that have three distinct methods of action with varying degrees of symptoms and as such, there have been many posted responses with people's descriptions on how SX affected them. As far as I can tell, it's a good way to get an idea on which of these possible drugs it could actually be.

How the hell did you come up with a Celltech analogy. The debate here isn't even if SX does what it says it does. It's whether or not in the process of doing it, it will cause addiction,psychosis and cardiac arrest in the process... Christ, it's like a bunch of retards ****ing a doorknob around here.
 
Jayhawkk said:
Say what? Sometimes I feel like i'm just spinning in circles with people's responses...

Right now there are three possible(so far) drugs that have three distinct methods of action with varying degrees of symptoms and as such, there have been many posted responses with people's descriptions on how SX affected them. As far as I can tell, it's a good way to get an idea on which of these possible drugs it could actually be.

How the hell did you come up with a Celltech analogy. The debate here isn't even if SX does what it says it does. It's whether or not in the process of doing it, it will cause addiction,psychosis and cardiac arrest in the process... Christ, it's like a bunch of retards ****ing a doorknob around here.
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i was making an analogy of the fda targeting supplements that get good reviews. so if everyone started posting how great that thar cel tech is...
 
I think with blulight and GC pictures everywhere it's pretty much documented at this point and no amount of covering it up now will undo that damage. I am only really interested in finding out exactly what is in it. There is still a chance according to AX that this is all an error... We'll see but in the meantime i'd like to know what the hell this analog is.

Edit: I also think the effects I posted were probably not in line with something that would add to FDA scrutiny... The guy saying he had mouth sores,meth mouth and hospitalization due to paranoia is more of a red flag in this particular situation. The above reactions of SX that I posted are pretty much in line with every energy drink and supp claim out there right now.
 
Jayhawkk said:
.. I know that isn't proof of safety in the slightest but using my experience I've come to believe that those experiencing these extreme sides may be either dosing far higher than 1-2 caps or for far longer than a few weeks. This would pretty much be in line with most things out there; namely don't abuse a product and more is not always better.
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also don't forget that different people can respond differently to the same dose. I have no doubts that some people could not sleep for 36 h from just one pill while others barely felt anything from 3 pills.
It is absolutely normal to have a bell shape with some people being on one extreme side and other people being on the opposite side of it.
 
Jayhawkk said:
I think at this point with blulight and GC pictures everywhere it's pretty much documented at this point and no amount of covering it up now will undo that damage. I am only really interested in finding out exactly what is in it. There is still a chance according to AX that this is all an error... We'll see but in the meantime i'd like to know what the hell this analog is.
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jayhawk, in all seriousness i was randomly selected to take a urine test at work while i was taking slimx and had been on it for at least a week. my test came out clean. this was maybe a month ago and i had forgotten all about it.
 
It's been said that it will not test under amphetamines. I keep reading more and more of these supposed drugs that are being said are in SX and I still think there has to be more to it.
Ottonis-You're correct and I will try to emphasize (looong) I took a dose of standard OTC sleeping pills about an hour before I needed to sleep because I had a feeling I wouldn't be sleeping. I fell asleep soon thereafter but it took two days of no sleep and no sense of needing sleep that led me to use the sleeping pills. I can definitely see how someone could put themselves into a nasty state of mind and health if they were to ignore what their body needed versus what they felt it needed and continued to use too much, too long or were overly affected and didn't adjust accordingly.

I am currently under strong opinion that one could very easily take SX to a unhealthy level fairly easily given my brief experience.
 
F355 said:
WOW. If there is a time when I couldn't be more pissed, that time is now. Right when this bluelight drama was going on, I sent identical PMs to all the AX reps I could find and pleaded to not have SX pulled before I got a chance to try it. And now I will never get a chance to try it, great just freakin great. Physics, Calculus and Computer Science, along with other classes this term, fckin great. I was so looking forward to my next order. The FDA will find any damn reason to bring up a raid. I could careless about the PHs because I don't touch them, but I was HIGHLY, HIGHLY looking forward to trying out SX because of the enormous positive reviews I've read about it's focus and motivation.

Does anyone know if SX is still available in stores and other retailers? I'll be damned if I don't get to try at least 1 run at this. I could use all the help I can get this term for school.

Fckin damnit.
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I can imagine that people with ADD would get tremendous effects on concentration and learning- much more than non-ADD people.
If you suffer from ADD, visit a physician and get a prescription for ritaline. it's tested in animals and humans and you exactely know what you get - tried and proven, transparent risk profile, and you get free monitoring by your doc.

If you don't have ADD, the effects from such drugs will be much smaller and adverse effects larger, leaving you with just a little net benefit, if any. On top of that, when you resort to OTC products with "proprietary formulas", you would always have that damned feeling of being unaware of potential sides.
 
There are other Stim products out there that provide excellent focus too but to answer your question; SX isn't illegal or banned. it's being pulled from some shelves and the manufacturers are halting production until more behind the scenes things take place.

Google is good for locating things...
 
Jayhawkk said:
There are other Stim products out there that provide excellent focus too but to answer your question; SX isn't illegal or banned. it's being pulled from some shelves and the manufacturers are halting production until more behind the scenes things take place.

Google is good for locating things...
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I thought AX was shutting down completely?

Waaay too much speculation going on across multiple boards...at least 50% of it is going to be off or wrong.
 
F355 said:
WOW. If there is a time when I couldn't be more pissed, that time is now. Right when this bluelight drama was going on, I sent identical PMs to all the AX reps I could find and pleaded to not have SX pulled before I got a chance to try it. And now I will never get a chance to try it, great just freakin great. Physics, Calculus and Computer Science, along with other classes this term, fckin great. I was so looking forward to my next order. The FDA will find any damn reason to bring up a raid. I could careless about the PHs because I don't touch them, but I was HIGHLY, HIGHLY looking forward to trying out SX because of the enormous positive reviews I've read about it's focus and motivation.

Does anyone know if SX is still available in stores and other retailers? I'll be damned if I don't get to try at least 1 run at this. I could use all the help I can get this term for school.

Fckin damnit.
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Patience, young one. ;) Things just might pan out to your liking.

Jayhawkk said:
Say what? Sometimes I feel like i'm just spinning in circles with people's responses...
Christ, it's like a bunch of retards ****ing a doorknob around here.
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:scratchchin: :think: :nana::icon_lol: Epic!!!!

thebigt said:
i was making an analogy of the fda targeting supplements that get good reviews. so if everyone started posting how great that thar cel tech is...
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Perhaps it's because google users who use dat dere term for search understand sarcasm in dem dere product reviews?

Zero V said:
I thought AX was shutting down completely?

Waaay too much speculation going on across multiple boards...at least 50% of it is going to be off or wrong.
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Wait, taking AX will shut you down completely? Oh, that's not a nice rumor to spread about our brethren over at An. Innovations. ;) I kid! I kid!!!!

We have no plans to shut down, and the rumors of my death were greatly exaggerated. :speechless:
 
Wait, taking AX will shut you down completely? Oh, that's not a nice rumor to spread about our brethren over at An. Innovations. ;) I kid! I kid!!!!

We have no plans to shut down, and the rumors of my death were greatly exaggerated.
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Come on now T, don't drag my buds at AI into this circle jerk. I know you were kidding but their name shouldn't even appear in this tread.
 
T-AD said:
Patience, young one. ;) Things just might pan out to your liking.



:scratchchin: :think: :nana::icon_lol: Epic!!!!



Perhaps it's because google users who use dat dere term for search understand sarcasm in dem dere product reviews?



Wait, taking AX will shut you down completely? Oh, that's not a nice rumor to spread about our brethren over at An. Innovations. ;) I kid! I kid!!!!

We have no plans to shut down, and the rumors of my death were greatly exaggerated. :speechless:
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Yayy big T is alive!!!!

I knew no one could kill him, hes a super AXhole.

:party:
 
Jayhawkk said:
There are other Stim products out there that provide excellent focus too but to answer your question; SX isn't illegal or banned. it's being pulled from some shelves and the manufacturers are halting production until more behind the scenes things take place.

Google is good for locating things...
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But yet not DSHEA compliant (Assuming the compound is what I think it is). So if the said is correct, how is it legal? Of course my conjecture is based on assumptions.
 
Going in to hiding only raises my assumptions / speculations. That's just my opinion. I have not heard them own the issue yet.
DAdams91982 said:
But yet not DSHEA compliant (Assuming the compound is what I think it is). So if the said is correct, how is it legal? Of course my conjecture is based on assumptions.
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Tells me their attorney(s) is doing his/her job.
 
Hey, did you catch my question in the Forum Suggestion sub-forum?

On a related note: If their attorney is indeed doing his/her job, and is the reason that their sub-forum/posts are gone from many boards, can't the cache pages be used? I'm not sure I understand why pulling a web-page can help them.
Cosmo Kramer said:
Tells me their attorney(s) is doing his job.
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similar but not the same hmm, maybe we should be stocking up on hershey/nestle? just kidding.
 
Iron Lungz said:
Hey, did you catch my question in the Forum Suggestion sub-forum?

On a related note: If their attorney is indeed doing his/her job, and is the reason that their sub-forum/posts are gone from many boards, can't the cache pages be used? I'm not sure I understand why pulling a web-page can help them.
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You could pay $500/hr to find out.
 
DAdams91982 said:
Already done... with this new world order coming.. trust me... i have my stock pile of guns and religion... scores of religion.
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the worst part of it is when i enlisted back in late 70's i was the most patriotic sob you ever wanted to meet. i still love this country very much, i just don't care much for the people running it.
 
DAdams91982 said:
Good point. Unfortunately it is possibly at the expense of the consumer.
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It is in the nature of things. Attorneys would aim to minimize the risks for their clients first. Hardly win-win.
 
thebigt said:
the worst part of it is when i enlisted back in late 70's i was the most patriotic sob you ever wanted to meet. i still love this country very much, i just don't care much for the people running it.
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I enlisted in '85, AF. Tried to get transfered from my last assignment due to the fact that I HATED it. They said no, I said bye. Otherwise, I would've stayed to retirement, I miss the lifestyle believe it or not.
 
F355 said:
WOW. If there is a time when I couldn't be more pissed, that time is now. Right when this bluelight drama was going on, I sent identical PMs to all the AX reps I could find and pleaded to not have SX pulled before I got a chance to try it. And now I will never get a chance to try it, great just freakin great. Physics, Calculus and Computer Science, along with other classes this term, fckin great. I was so looking forward to my next order. The FDA will find any damn reason to bring up a raid. I could careless about the PHs because I don't touch them, but I was HIGHLY, HIGHLY looking forward to trying out SX because of the enormous positive reviews I've read about it's focus and motivation.

Does anyone know if SX is still available in stores and other retailers? I'll be damned if I don't get to try at least 1 run at this. I could use all the help I can get this term for school.

Fckin damnit.
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You ever heard of the buy,sell,trade sections? I hear you may find gold at the end of your rainbow.
 
ottonis said:
also don't forget that different people can respond differently to the same dose. I have no doubts that some people could not sleep for 36 h from just one pill while others barely felt anything from 3 pills.
It is absolutely normal to have a bell shape with some people being on one extreme side and other people being on the opposite side of it.
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Right. We are all wired differently. For me, one SX a day equals sharp focus and consistent energy without feeling any jitters. Some stim products, particularly the Stacker line made me nauseous and gave a head-rush feeling even at the lowest dose. All I have to go on is personal experience. As I said, we're all wired differently.
 
Jayhawkk said:
I think with blulight and GC pictures everywhere it's pretty much documented at this point and no amount of covering it up now will undo that damage. I am only really interested in finding out exactly what is in it. There is still a chance according to AX that this is all an error... We'll see but in the meantime i'd like to know what the hell this analog is.

Edit: I also think the effects I posted were probably not in line with something that would add to FDA scrutiny... The guy saying he had mouth sores,meth mouth and hospitalization due to paranoia is more of a red flag in this particular situation. The above reactions of SX that I posted are pretty much in line with every energy drink and supp claim out there right now.
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There were many postings on various sites where people said they took it and had 'serious' adverse side effects...
 
I feel for them. I've had adverse sides from others. Not enough to put me in the ER, but very uncomfortable and often kind of scary such as rapid heartbeat with sweats and breathing issues, and one caused extreme lower GI problems. I've learned to buy ony ONE bottle of anything new til I see how my body accepts and processes it.
 
hardknock said:
There were many postings on various sites where people said they took it and had 'serious' adverse side effects...
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I don't doubt that some people have adverse effects from SX and I agree that every one should know what it is that they are consuming. That being said, if it turns out that the speculations are wrong and it is safe, some people even knowing what it is will still have adverse effects. If people insist on taking it off the market then, I think peanut butter and anything with peanut extract should be removed also. My niece is highly allergic to PB. Guess what, she had a reaction, we found out why, and now she doesn't eat it anymore.

Let me add that I will not advise any one to take SX until we hear the results of all the testing.
 
jim623 said:
I don't doubt that some people have adverse effects from SX and I agree that every one should know what it is that they are consuming. That being said, if it turns out that the speculations are wrong and it is safe, some people even knowing what it is will still have adverse effects. If people insist on taking it off the market then, I think peanut butter and anything with peanut extract should be removed also. My niece is highly allergic to PB. Guess what, she had a reaction, we found out why, and now she doesn't eat it anymore.

Let me add that I will not advise any one to take SX until we hear the results of all the testing.
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Jim, I think the point is this... when you eat peanut butter, you know you are getting peanuts. When you take SX, even some AX said they didn't know. No matter if it is safe or not, that is not my personal gripe.... it is letting all know WTF they are taking. But as I said earlier, I doubt SX is DSHEA compliant, and most likely with the scrutiny that is coming with companies skirting that, I dont think it will be around for long.
 
jim623 said:
... That being said, if it turns out that the speculations are wrong and it is safe,
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If it is a novel compound, then it cannot just "turn out to be safe", except the company has run toxicity tests in animals and then clinical tests in humans.

Or, it is not a novel but a well studied substance, on which toxicity and safety data already exist and are well documented.

Do you see any other options beside these two?
 
DAdams91982 said:
Jim, I think the point is this... when you eat peanut butter, you know you are getting peanuts. When you take SX, even some AX said they didn't know. No matter if it is safe or not, that is not my personal gripe.... it is letting all know WTF they are taking. But as I said earlier, I doubt SX is DSHEA compliant, and most likely with the scrutiny that is coming with companies skirting that, I dont think it will be around for long.
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I know, that's why I said I agree that every one show know what it is they are consuming. Honestly, I didn't read the ingredients at all the first time I took SX.
 
ottonis said:
If it is a novel compound, then it cannot just "turn out to be safe", except the company has run toxicity tests in animals and then clinical tests in humans.

Or, it is not a novel but a well studied substance, on which toxicity and safety data already exist and are well documented.

Do you see any other options beside these two?
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I see your point!
 
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