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ATD......banned

Chuck Diesel

Chuck Diesel

Are you Diesel?
fyi......ATD is going bye-bye.
 
I'm not sure its really "banned" but same difference. It's not DSHEA compliant so its not allowed to be sold as a "dietary supplement" and it seems that the FDA has noticed this and is starting to crack down. LG Sciences so far, we'll see if Gaspari gets hit this week. But it does sound like its going bye bye
 
Cordeen said:
This will have impact on the new DTP production?
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for sho' as in it wont be in there.


Letters went out to companies as said above.
 
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LG to destory 1.3mil in inventory :worried:
 
DAdams91982 said:
I never thought ATD was DSHEA compliant in the first place... come strait from Extemesan (sp?)

Adams
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6-bromo a case can be made for, but it was the only one of the AIs.... There is a particular species of mushroom that if grown in soil with the right amount of bromine salts in it will have 6-bromo as an extractable component of the mushroom.

Form isn't dshea compliant from what I understand.

Separate piss me off, is that after the hydroxycut incident (gasp 1 whole death) the FDA is talking about coming down harder on weight loss products in general, possibly treating claims of weight loss as a medical claim.
 
Random181 said:
If the FDA can ban things this easily, can they do the same to the pro hormones?
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the FDA didn't ban anything new, there is no criminalization of owning a bottle of Novedex-XT (like there is with a bottle of M1T). They are enforcing a law that companies use the grey area in to sell something listed as a "dietary supplement" that doesn't fit the definition of a "dietary supplement". But the way the law is written the FDA effectively has to send a letter (or show up) saying that they believe an ingredient in the product isn't a dietary supplement, and its up to the manufacturer at that point to prove that it does qualify, or stop selling it.
 
Good luck getting Pfizer, GlaxoSmithKline, etc. to jump off a cliff.
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Agreed... I wouldn't be surprised if they find some way to take over the rights to ATD like they did with the Vitamin B-6 analogue... the exact one escapes me at the moment
 
These banned supplements cause far less problems than cigarettes and alcohol yet these aren't banned.

The FDA says they don't have the time, money or resources to do any research on whether GMO foods are safe but they sure do have the time, money and resources to go out and ban all these supplements that effect a tiny proportion of the population, most of whom use responsibly. What a joke.
 
The FDA says they don't have the time, money or resources to do any research on whether GMO foods are safe but they sure do have the time, money and resources to go out and ban all these supplements that effect a tiny proportion of the population, most of whom use responsibly. What a joke.
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I took an FDA centered food safety course last semester taught by a leading food microbiologist at my university and while I definitely am not a fan of the FDA, I learned a lot of people give them a bad rap that they don't necessarily deserve.

*Whips out the marshmellows in anticipation of the flames coming*

IMO opinion the supplement industry should be grateful that it, for the most part, is largely self-regulated and has continued to stay, on a whole, very responsible from the corporate end. The DSHEA act could have been much harsher on the industry. Even though all the *good stuff* was banned, the industry was forced to innovate and has left all the politicians scratching their heads in trying to keep up with what is and isn't DSHEA compliant.

The FDA has a hard enough time, with its low budget, trying to keep the U.S. food supply industries incident free and as safe as they are. It doesn't have the resources to devote unbiased attention to the supplement industry which is why pharmaceutical lobbyists can have their hay-days. Throw into the mix the irresponsible companies trying to make a quick buck and idiots who don't know how to use labels and its easy to understand the low tolerance they have towards the supplement industry.

My opinion is that the supplement industry runs a fine line with the FDA. Everytime a screw up happens they take it as a sign of irresponsibility and go around with a DSHEA checklist trying to find everything that *violates* it. The supplement industry has done a very good internal job of maintaining product integrity, but IMO its a matter of time before crack down on a breakthrough, it just depends on how long their attention is diverted.
 
PublicEnemy said:
I took an FDA centered food safety course last semester taught by a leading food microbiologist at my university and while I definitely am not a fan of the FDA, I learned a lot of people give them a bad rap that they don't necessarily deserve.

*Whips out the marshmellows in anticipation of the flames coming*

IMO opinion the supplement industry should be grateful that it, for the most part, is largely self-regulated and has continued to stay, on a whole, very responsible from the corporate end. The DSHEA act could have been much harsher on the industry. Even though all the *good stuff* was banned, the industry was forced to innovate and has left all the politicians scratching their heads in trying to keep up with what is and isn't DSHEA compliant.

The FDA has a hard enough time, with its low budget, trying to keep the U.S. food supply industries incident free and as safe as they are. It doesn't have the resources to devote unbiased attention to the supplement industry which is why pharmaceutical lobbyists can have their hay-days. Throw into the mix the irresponsible companies trying to make a quick buck and idiots who don't know how to use labels and its easy to understand the low tolerance they have towards the supplement industry.

My opinion is that the supplement industry runs a fine line with the FDA. Everytime a screw up happens they take it as a sign of irresponsibility and go around with a DSHEA checklist trying to find everything that *violates* it. The supplement industry has done a very good internal job of maintaining product integrity, but IMO its a matter of time before crack down on a breakthrough, it just depends on how long their attention is diverted.
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Interesting stuff.

I think a big problem is that the average joe thinks the FDA is protecting them from everything that is possibly harmful. Maybe it isn't the FDA's fault as they are doing the best they can and are probably being influenced from higher ups.
 
I know now that my company has started to pull many of our more anabolic supplements, such as Methyl Masterdrol and Novedex, just because we turn tail and run at the first sign of a government ban. I really hope this doesn't escalate further.
 
lame! just order from the UK guys :)
 
"Both of these substances are steroids that inhibit the activity of the enzyme aromatase and may be found in dietary supplements promoted to boost testosterone levels, said FDA."

ATD AND 6-OXO ARE STEROIDS.... GOD HELP US!!!!!!!!!

:(
 
First they came for my M4OHN.

Then they came for my ATD.

Now they take my breakfast :(

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this sucks ass.

ATD wasnt that amazing though at least.

Should we start stocking up on designers now???
 
Skigazzi said:
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LG to destory 1.3mil in inventory :worried:
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Any LG Reps have any info to share on this?

When you have it, please give us a heads up.

Just unreal.

I'm sure there may be some cats from the FDA looking around.
Hey.. If you see this post I have to say I eat frosted wheats in the am, somtimes I change it up with cinnamon toast crunch. Other times I stack both and seem to have more energy.
Hmmm.
Might want too look into them.

JP.
 
FDA banning sh1t will only make people resort to the black market. Essentially, the government is promoting the black market with these unreasonable bans.

ZOMG my buddy was arrested for making an illegal Vit B6 purchase. On top of that, his Vit B6 drug dealer was raided by the feds...
 
This blows, nothing else to say.....
 
whats doing into DTP instead chuck?
 
jp17815 said:
Any LG Reps have any info to share on this?

When you have it, please give us a heads up.

Just unreal.

I'm sure there may be some cats from the FDA looking around.
Hey.. If you see this post I have to say I eat frosted wheats in the am, somtimes I change it up with cinnamon toast crunch. Other times I stack both and seem to have more energy.
Hmmm.
Might want too look into them.

JP.
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Our new M1D and Formadrol products don't contain ATD; this will only effect the products manufactured before 2009.
 
“The FDA is responsible for taking action against any unsafe dietary supplement product after it reaches the market”. The key word is unsafe…there are more serious issues the FDA could be taking on opposed to the supplement community. I guess there is money to be made and the FDA has to “protect” us. Instead these shameful bastards are using some of our money and the G@# D@#* ignorance of politicians to go after these so called “underground” and “evil” supplement companies. Too bad our voices will never be heard and the ones who have the power to speak out are silenced by morons in the media along with uneducated politicians. What a waste of resources!
 
Jeff said:
First they came for my M4OHN.

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Wow....I remember M4MOHN...good stuff. Those were the days.
Not to mention T-1Pro, etc.

Funny. It seems like these types of crack downs happen maybe every 4 years or so...some, luckily, to lesser degrees. Hopefully this is one of those.
 
gymdevil25 said:
“The FDA is responsible for taking action against any unsafe dietary supplement product after it reaches the market”. The key word is unsafe…there are more serious issues the FDA could be taking on opposed to the supplement community. I guess there is money to be made and the FDA has to “protect” us. Instead these shameful bastards are using some of our money and the G@# D@#* ignorance of politicians to go after these so called “underground” and “evil” supplement companies. Too bad our voices will never be heard and the ones who have the power to speak out are silenced by morons in the media along with uneducated politicians. What a waste of resources!
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Yup. Look how long it took them to even think about doing anything about transfats. Not to mention HFCS is linked to cancer and all kinds of maladies, but that's pumped into all kind of food on a day to day basis.

Hmmm.... 110,000 deaths each year from obesity related issues, but your attacking a supplement to assist athletic individuals?
The misplaced efforts are mind boggling.
 
-2z- said:
Yup. Look how long it took them to even think about doing anything about transfats. Not to mention HFCS is linked to cancer and all kinds of maladies, but that's pumped into all kind of food on a day to day basis.

Hmmm.... 110,000 deaths each year from obesity related issues, but your attacking a supplement to assist athletic individuals?
The misplaced efforts are mind boggling.
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Spot on. Don't get me started on HFCS and poor diet leading to all sorts of diseases.

Maybe Muscletech is paying the FDA under the table to ban supps. :nervous:
 
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