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Many nutritionists also think that a high-protein diet is dangerous. They are the last group of people I'd ever consult for diet advice.
4wk Androhard/Androlean 4wkPCT log
- Thread starter TurningGreen
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Many nutritionists also think that a high-protein diet is dangerous. They are the last group of people I'd ever consult for diet advice.
thetinyguy
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Alright i see, i usually take in 270-300 but i'm going to try lowering it little by little and just have some more carbohydrates.
thetinyguy
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That's a really good point, i guess we all have to find a median between the two?
Rodja
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Trial and error; no 2 metabolisms are the same.
thetinyguy
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Now that i think about it, When i first started bulking i was more focused on carbs than anything else. I'm definitely gonna add some more carbs and slowly lower protein to see what happens..
HereToStudy
Primordial Performance Rep
Experimentation is the best way to find what works for you.
thetinyguy
Well-known member
I agree, That's the approach i took to training and i should have realized i should just do the same with diet. Starting today changing some things around!
thetinyguy
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Something really funny is Post-workout i tend to eat like 2 cups of prunes for carbs haha, I get almost a sugar rush like feel and it makes me feel 10x better right after a grueling session. I used to have Muscle-Tech Cell-Tech but even that didn't make me feel as energetic as prunes do.
ScottyDoc
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Prunes = Good (high in dietary fiber and keep the bowels a flowing) Healthy!!!
thetinyguy
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I absolutely love them, 1 cup of them is over 100 carbs and a bunch of fiber!
I don't think i'll ever change my Post workout setup!
TurningGreen
Well-known member
Hey guys, just checking in. Ill be back on the road tomorrow and should be home by monday. I decided to take a small break from the log for convenience reasons. Ill be back to the daily progress and pics next week. Im sure I gained a little vacation weight but shouldnt be a problem jumping right back on the ball. As for PCT its going well. I havent noticed any negatives from coming off the AH/AL, and im looking forward to getting some DAA in the mix. Im still following the lean gains 16/8 protocol even though I may not be getting adequate macros (I havent been tracking my cals for the last couple of days). As previously stated, I will be back to full strenght monday and Im looking forward to getting back to action.
thetinyguy
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Sounds good!
ScottyDoc
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Still got yo Back like the good little CHIRO I am, Heh!
packers6211
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Nice bro! Be safe out there, and which DAA product are you going with?
thetinyguy
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Sorry guys for me being so nooby but what is DAA?
thetinyguy
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packers6211
Well-known member
The stuff works really well and easily stacked. I tried some different ones, but Athletix Adamantium used with Titanium and Erase was really sweeet.
HereToStudy
Primordial Performance Rep
thetinyguy
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Ah i'll have to look into that for future reference..
On a side note Stat's 5' 5" 250 :smileeek:
musclerican
Member
Glad evething it ok green
ScottyDoc
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Trivia Time is NOW...
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thetinyguy
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Damn i missed it... Gotta be quick!
TurningGreen
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Im back in NC and exhausted. May be able to get some cardio in today, but tomorrow im back baby!
ScottyDoc
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Welcome Back Bro, I'm doing my RUN as well now, let's see if I can catch up with your lean Monstrous A$$, LoL, Friendly competition only!!!
TurningGreen
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Thanks Doc. Feeling a little tubby right now but Ill be back by the end of the week. Nothing wrong with a little friendly comp. for motivation. I got my brother started on a finaflex cycle. I think hes running 1-andro with pure test and pct black (hes new on AM I think his name is TheRoc). Im thinking when it comes time again Ill go with 1-andro and epi-v. Ill have to chat you up on that when it comes time.
ScottyDoc
Well-known member
I remember he emailed me and told me he was your brother and I sent him a care-package of samples, but I wasn't really sure if he was asking me to purchase products, which I cannot do! FINAFLEX only sells to distributors who in turn sell to the retailers who in turn sell to us the consumers! If we sell to anyone, our distributors (Big $$$) will get pissed and drop us!
TurningGreen
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Pretty sure he was just asking about the care package. He bought his stuff the other day while we were back home, thanks for helping him out though I appreciate it. I think he's going to log his cycle, not sure though.
packers6211
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Glad to have you back safe my friend!1 Ready for some wicked updates!
musclerican
Member
Glad you have a safe trip, time to kill the weights, tighten uP the diet and can't wait for pics and updates bro
ScottyDoc
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Here...here, I second this! You had your play-time, now it is time to get back to work!
It's Game Time...
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TurningGreen
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Had this ready for last night, but my power went out for 12 damn hours (as I was posting)
Back in the game. Felt really good today, PCT is going well no negative sides. I started DAA yesterday (AI Sports Nutrition…gave my Pure Test to friend in need). Still using the Lean Gains Protocol, and attempting to shred down my vacation weight (about 2.5lbs.). I feel a lot better being back home and back in control of my nutrition…man does mom like to feed us when were home. Really stuffed after my post-workout meal (50% of cal. Is about 1,600 cal.) but I’m making due. I’m in the process of changing up my workouts, so today I just humored one of my friends by lifting with him.
Macro-Nutrients:
Protein -259g (32%)
Carbohydrates -302.9g (38%)
Fats -106g (30%)
Total Calories -3,171
Training:
A.M.
Elliptical (30 min.)
P.M.
Random upper body workout
Back in the game. Felt really good today, PCT is going well no negative sides. I started DAA yesterday (AI Sports Nutrition…gave my Pure Test to friend in need). Still using the Lean Gains Protocol, and attempting to shred down my vacation weight (about 2.5lbs.). I feel a lot better being back home and back in control of my nutrition…man does mom like to feed us when were home. Really stuffed after my post-workout meal (50% of cal. Is about 1,600 cal.) but I’m making due. I’m in the process of changing up my workouts, so today I just humored one of my friends by lifting with him.
Macro-Nutrients:
Protein -259g (32%)
Carbohydrates -302.9g (38%)
Fats -106g (30%)
Total Calories -3,171
Training:
A.M.
Elliptical (30 min.)
P.M.
Random upper body workout
ScottyDoc
Well-known member
Well... humor us and tell us the workout, you got me curious now, LoL!
thetinyguy
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I wish my mom made huge home cooked family meals.... She's never been the cooking type it sucks SO much, It would come in handy especially for bulking
TurningGreen
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I feel awesome today. I’m definitely getting more lean since I’ve reestablished my nutrition and training. Lean Gains is going well, even though I’m having trouble getting in all those calories. My body is saying stop and I find myself not able to stuff all that food down. I think I may try changing up my calorie intake putting my cap on training days at a max of 3,000 calories as opposed to 3,400. Other than that all is well with PCT. (don’t mix DAA powder with chocolate protein…tastes like sour milk)
Macro-Nutrients:
Protein -226.5g (32%)
Carbohydrates -313.3g (44%)
Fats -73.4g (23%)
Total Calories -2,774
Training:
A.M.
Elliptical (30 min.)
P.M.
Squat -3x8 @ 135lbs, 225lbs, 315lbs (A$$ to the floor)
RDL -3x10 @ 135lbs, 225lbs, 135lbs
Cable Squat Jump - 3x10 @ 80lbs
Forward Squat Jump to Medicine Ball Slam -1x15 @ 10lb ball
Bar Bell Calf Raise -3x20 @ 275lbs
Sounds pretty easy, but after a week of no legs…I felt it.
Macro-Nutrients:
Protein -226.5g (32%)
Carbohydrates -313.3g (44%)
Fats -73.4g (23%)
Total Calories -2,774
Training:
A.M.
Elliptical (30 min.)
P.M.
Squat -3x8 @ 135lbs, 225lbs, 315lbs (A$$ to the floor)
RDL -3x10 @ 135lbs, 225lbs, 135lbs
Cable Squat Jump - 3x10 @ 80lbs
Forward Squat Jump to Medicine Ball Slam -1x15 @ 10lb ball
Bar Bell Calf Raise -3x20 @ 275lbs
Sounds pretty easy, but after a week of no legs…I felt it.
musclerican
Member
Nice workout bro, shape up those tree trunks lol
HereToStudy
Primordial Performance Rep
Glad PCT is going smooth.
ScottyDoc
Well-known member
Glad you are both Back and Back on Track Brotha, still following! Your brother PMed me and posted on my sample thread that he received his sample package, I'm sure he will love them! Now I know how you got that cool picture of you in a jail/prison, LoL, was wondering how you got that shot and with your shirt off, LoL, were there any inmates in there at the time?
musclerican
Member
His muscle scared them away lol
ScottyDoc
Well-known member
I know huh, that is why I can't believe the kids he teach dare to have attitudes with him, bulky muscle, biker looking Tats, as a kid... I would have been scared to say Boo to him!!! I'd have probably pissed my pants before asking him for permission to use the bathroom, LoL!
TurningGreen
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Took a rest day today, and I’ve been researching German volume training. I’m going to start Monday with this style of training (this will be my first experience). I’m am going to attempt to push in those calories on my lift days to really reap the benefits of GVT. As of right now I’m really happy with how everything is going. My muscles still feel very hard and full, my energy is still high, and I feel with this new style of training I will be able to push further.
Macro-Nutrients:
Protein -238.8g (45%)
Carbohydrates -114.5g (22%)
Fats -78.9g (33%)
Total Calories -2,102
Training:
A.M.
Elliptical (30 min.)
P.M.
Rest Day
Macro-Nutrients:
Protein -238.8g (45%)
Carbohydrates -114.5g (22%)
Fats -78.9g (33%)
Total Calories -2,102
Training:
A.M.
Elliptical (30 min.)
P.M.
Rest Day
TurningGreen
Well-known member
Man kids can be punks. I actually had a kid want to fight me my first year of teaching. I had to talk him out of it by explaining to him that the beat down he would receive after he threw the first punch wouldnt be worth it. Needless to say he left the building peacefully.
As for the Jail pic, I actually made that in photoshop. Im sure my brother could get me in to the jail for some mug shots, but ill pass. I was actually a corrections officer in NY for about five years while I was getting my teaching degree...so I think Ive seen enough of the inside of prisons for a life time.
HereToStudy
Primordial Performance Rep
Good luck with the GTV. I have yet to try it, but I hear it can be exhausting.
musclerican
Member
I never heard of gvt training but I will look into it also it sounds bad ass
TurningGreen
Well-known member
The new AM iphone app Is the SHEET
packers6211
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Dang bro How much do you charge to train!!!! I'll bet most of the guys that go to my gym couldn't hang with those workouts. There to much into checking out the girls. Not that hot girls aren't nice lol. Anyway glad that your back and feeling good and that the pct is working. This Anabeta and Combustion is unreal bro, I'm like a constant mass of energy that doesn't want to stop working out. Keep up the work.
ScottyDoc
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GVT = German Volume Training, it is very intense and IMO, I would not recommend anyone do it for any said length of time, again in my opinion 6wks tops! On the other hand, I think it is awesome and if you throw it into your workout every so often, lets say 1-week per month, talk about shock the system, and that my friends is how growth takes place!
This is what I found that a buddy of mine wrote on Muscle&Strength forum about it...
German Volume Training for Shocking Muscle Growth
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Sprechen sie Deutsch? Translated, that means do you speak German?
You don’t need to speak German to master German Volume Training. You only need to master your threshold for pain. Because German Volume Training is pain. It’s an insane and effective method of shocking your muscles.
Call German Volume Training the slumpbuster. If you’re in a rut, seeing no muscle gains, and need a dramatic change, look no further. Consider your muscle building slump to be over.
Core Principles of German Volume Training... German Volume Training isn’t rocket science. There’s no elaborate formulas to figure out, and no training techniques to be mastered. GVT is built around three simple, core principles:
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- 100 Reps. For each exercise, you will be performing 10 sets of 10 reps. Start with 50 to 60% of your one rep max for that lift. Perform as many reps as possible for each of the 10 sets. There is no need to train to failure. Train close to failure. GVT is taxing enough without training to failure. When you can perform 100 total reps, or 10 sets of 10 reps, add 5 pounds to the bar the next time you use the same movement.
- Rest Pause. You will be resting approximately 60-90 second between sets. There are numerous forms of GVT floating around the Internet, some a variation of Vince Gironda’s 8x8 training, and some with incredibly short rest periods. Resist the urge to lower your rest periods under the 60 second mark. Limiting rest like this will force you to decrease the load. You’re already working with weights slightly above half of your 1RM. It does you no good to use lighter weights then this. For most Invalid Link Removed, a 60 second rest works best. For big, beefy and taxing exercises like the Invalid Link Removed, 90 seconds is needed. (And then some!)
Hang in there. Over time, your strength endurance will noticeably increase. Push for one more rep on every set. As long as you focus on progression, the weight will take care of itself.
On the first few sets of an exercise, the weight will feel too light. You’ll start to wonder if you’ve made a mistake. You didn’t. Be patient. By sets 7, 8, 9 and 10, you’ll be in tremendous pain. GVT is very deceiving. On paper it looks too easy. After 2 sets, it feels too easy. After a week of GVT, you’ll be ready to quit the program, and never run it again. It’s tough! But it works!
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The structure of the workouts is as follows:
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- Day 2: Rest
- Day 3: Invalid Link Removed, Invalid Link Removed, Invalid Link Removed (PULL)
- Day 4: Rest
- Day 5: Invalid Link Removed, Invalid Link Removed, Invalid Link Removed (LEGS)
- Day 6: Rest
- Day 7: Rest
After working your chest and shoulders, your triceps may already be fried. Use your best judgment when working triceps. I recommend using 3 sets of 6-12 reps instead of the 10x10 method. But if you have it in the tank, by all means hammer out 10 sets on triceps.
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- Shoulders. Pick some form of standing or seated overhead press, such as Invalid Link Removed or Invalid Link Removed.
- Triceps. Invalid Link Removed, Invalid Link Removed, Invalid Link Removed, etc.
- Back. Invalid Link Removed or Invalid Link Removed, Invalid Link Removed, Invalid Link Removed, Invalid Link Removed, etc.
- Biceps. Invalid Link Removed, Invalid Link Removed, etc.
- Abs. Invalid Link Removed, Invalid Link Removed, etc.
- Quads. Invalid Link Removed, Invalid Link Removed, Invalid Link Removed, etc.
- Hamstrings. Invalid Link Removed, Invalid Link Removed, sumo Invalid Link Removed, etc.
- Calves. Standing or Invalid Link Removed, etc.
musclerican
Member
Nice bro I think I may try this sounds like I'm going to destroy myself lol
musclerican
Member
TurningGreen said:
Agree it is