4wk Androhard/Androlean 4wkPCT log

[Rodja]

Don't sweat the protein consumption. I know people who NEVER go over .8 grams of protein per pound of LBM and still grow. Barry Sears from The Zone Diet touts .8 as the maximum amount of protein needed. Many nutritionist will tell you the same thing. However one day won't make to much of a difference regarding the final body composition.

Many nutritionists also think that a high-protein diet is dangerous. They are the last group of people I'd ever consult for diet advice.

 

[thetinyguy]

About 225 and I am a lil over 200 right now.

Alright i see, i usually take in 270-300 but i'm going to try lowering it little by little and just have some more carbohydrates.

 

[thetinyguy]

Many nutritionists also think that a high-protein diet is dangerous. They are the last group of people I'd ever consult for diet advice.

That's a really good point, i guess we all have to find a median between the two?

 

[Rodja]

That's a really good point, i guess we all have to find a median between the two?

Trial and error; no 2 metabolisms are the same.

 

[thetinyguy]

Trial and error; no 2 metabolisms are the same.

Now that i think about it, When i first started bulking i was more focused on carbs than anything else. I'm definitely gonna add some more carbs and slowly lower protein to see what happens..

 

[HereToStudy]

Now that i think about it, When i first started bulking i was more focused on carbs than anything else. I'm definitely gonna add some more carbs and slowly lower protein to see what happens..

Experimentation is the best way to find what works for you.

 

[thetinyguy]

Experimentation is the best way to find what works for you.

I agree, That's the approach i took to training and i should have realized i should just do the same with diet. Starting today changing some things around!

 

[Rodja]

I prefer to have most of my carbs from fruits and potatoes. All flesh is fair game, though.

 

[thetinyguy]

I prefer to have most of my carbs from fruits and potatoes. All flesh is fair game, though.

Something really funny is Post-workout i tend to eat like 2 cups of prunes for carbs haha, I get almost a sugar rush like feel and it makes me feel 10x better right after a grueling session. I used to have Muscle-Tech Cell-Tech but even that didn't make me feel as energetic as prunes do.

 

[ScottyDoc]

Something really funny is Post-workout i tend to eat like 2 cups of prunes for carbs haha, I get almost a sugar rush like feel and it makes me feel 10x better right after a grueling session. I used to have Muscle-Tech Cell-Tech but even that didn't make me feel as energetic as prunes do.

Prunes = Good (high in dietary fiber and keep the bowels a flowing) Healthy!!!

 

[thetinyguy]

Prunes = Good (high in dietary fiber and keep the bowels a flowing) Healthy!!!

I absolutely love them, 1 cup of them is over 100 carbs and a bunch of fiber! I don't think i'll ever change my Post workout setup!

 

[TurningGreen]

Hey guys, just checking in. Ill be back on the road tomorrow and should be home by monday. I decided to take a small break from the log for convenience reasons. Ill be back to the daily progress and pics next week. Im sure I gained a little vacation weight but shouldnt be a problem jumping right back on the ball. As for PCT its going well. I havent noticed any negatives from coming off the AH/AL, and im looking forward to getting some DAA in the mix. Im still following the lean gains 16/8 protocol even though I may not be getting adequate macros (I havent been tracking my cals for the last couple of days). As previously stated, I will be back to full strenght monday and Im looking forward to getting back to action.

 

[thetinyguy]

Hey guys, just checking in. Ill be back on the road tomorrow and should be home by monday. I decided to take a small break from the log for convenience reasons. Ill be back to the daily progress and pics next week. Im sure I gained a little vacation weight but shouldnt be a problem jumping right back on the ball. As for PCT its going well. I havent noticed any negatives from coming off the AH/AL, and im looking forward to getting some DAA in the mix. Im still following the lean gains 16/8 protocol even though I may not be getting adequate macros (I havent been tracking my cals for the last couple of days). As previously stated, I will be back to full strenght monday and Im looking forward to getting back to action.

Sounds good!

 

[ScottyDoc]

Sounds good!

Still got yo Back like the good little CHIRO I am, Heh!

 

[packers6211]

Hey guys, just checking in. Ill be back on the road tomorrow and should be home by monday. I decided to take a small break from the log for convenience reasons. Ill be back to the daily progress and pics next week. Im sure I gained a little vacation weight but shouldnt be a problem jumping right back on the ball. As for PCT its going well. I havent noticed any negatives from coming off the AH/AL, and im looking forward to getting some DAA in the mix. Im still following the lean gains 16/8 protocol even though I may not be getting adequate macros (I havent been tracking my cals for the last couple of days). As previously stated, I will be back to full strenght monday and Im looking forward to getting back to action.

Nice bro! Be safe out there, and which DAA product are you going with?

 

[thetinyguy]

Nice bro! Be safe out there, and which DAA product are you going with?

Sorry guys for me being so nooby but what is DAA?

 

[Rodja]

D-Aspartic Acid

 

[thetinyguy]

D-Aspartic Acid

Thanks

 

[packers6211]

The stuff works really well and easily stacked. I tried some different ones, but Athletix Adamantium used with Titanium and Erase was really sweeet.

 

[HereToStudy]

Hey guys, just checking in. Ill be back on the road tomorrow and should be home by monday. I decided to take a small break from the log for convenience reasons. Ill be back to the daily progress and pics next week. Im sure I gained a little vacation weight but shouldnt be a problem jumping right back on the ball. As for PCT its going well. I havent noticed any negatives from coming off the AH/AL, and im looking forward to getting some DAA in the mix. Im still following the lean gains 16/8 protocol even though I may not be getting adequate macros (I havent been tracking my cals for the last couple of days). As previously stated, I will be back to full strenght monday and Im looking forward to getting back to action.

Safe travels, and looking forward to your return to the log

 

[thetinyguy]

The stuff works really well and easily stacked. I tried some different ones, but Athletix Adamantium used with Titanium and Erase was really sweeet.

Ah i'll have to look into that for future reference..

On a side note Stat's 5' 5" 250 :smileeek:

 

[musclerican]

Glad evething it ok green

 

[ScottyDoc]

Trivia Time is NOW...

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/company-promotions/168461-redefine-nutriton-weightlifting-44.html

 

[thetinyguy]

Trivia Time is NOW...

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/company-promotions/168461-redefine-nutriton-weightlifting-44.html

Damn i missed it... Gotta be quick!

 

[TurningGreen]

Im back in NC and exhausted. May be able to get some cardio in today, but tomorrow im back baby!

 

[ScottyDoc]

Im back in NC and exhausted. May be able to get some cardio in today, but tomorrow im back baby!

Welcome Back Bro, I'm doing my RUN as well now, let's see if I can catch up with your lean Monstrous A$$, LoL, Friendly competition only!!!

 

[TurningGreen]

Thanks Doc. Feeling a little tubby right now but Ill be back by the end of the week. Nothing wrong with a little friendly comp. for motivation. I got my brother started on a finaflex cycle. I think hes running 1-andro with pure test and pct black (hes new on AM I think his name is TheRoc). Im thinking when it comes time again Ill go with 1-andro and epi-v. Ill have to chat you up on that when it comes time.

 

[ScottyDoc]

Thanks Doc. Feeling a little tubby right now but Ill be back by the end of the week. Nothing wrong with a little friendly comp. for motivation. I got my brother started on a finaflex cycle. I think hes running 1-andro with pure test and pct black (hes new on AM I think his name is TheRoc). Im thinking when it comes time again Ill go with 1-andro and epi-v. Ill have to chat you up on that when it comes time.

I remember he emailed me and told me he was your brother and I sent him a care-package of samples, but I wasn't really sure if he was asking me to purchase products, which I cannot do! FINAFLEX only sells to distributors who in turn sell to the retailers who in turn sell to us the consumers! If we sell to anyone, our distributors (Big $$$) will get pissed and drop us!

 

[TurningGreen]

I remember he emailed me and told me he was your brother and I sent him a care-package of samples, but I wasn't really sure if he was asking me to purchase products, which I cannot do! FINAFLEX only sells to distributors who in turn sell to the retailers who in turn sell to us the consumers! If we sell to anyone, our distributors (Big $$$) will get pissed and drop us!

Pretty sure he was just asking about the care package. He bought his stuff the other day while we were back home, thanks for helping him out though I appreciate it. I think he's going to log his cycle, not sure though.

 

[packers6211]

Glad to have you back safe my friend!1 Ready for some wicked updates!

 

[musclerican]

Glad you have a safe trip, time to kill the weights, tighten uP the diet and can't wait for pics and updates bro

 

[ScottyDoc]

Glad you have a safe trip, time to kill the weights, tighten uP the diet and can't wait for pics and updates bro

Here...here, I second this! You had your play-time, now it is time to get back to work!

It's Game Time...

 

[TurningGreen]

Had this ready for last night, but my power went out for 12 damn hours (as I was posting)

Back in the game. Felt really good today, PCT is going well no negative sides. I started DAA yesterday (AI Sports Nutrition…gave my Pure Test to friend in need). Still using the Lean Gains Protocol, and attempting to shred down my vacation weight (about 2.5lbs.). I feel a lot better being back home and back in control of my nutrition…man does mom like to feed us when were home. Really stuffed after my post-workout meal (50% of cal. Is about 1,600 cal.) but I’m making due. I’m in the process of changing up my workouts, so today I just humored one of my friends by lifting with him.

Macro-Nutrients:

Protein -259g (32%)
Carbohydrates -302.9g (38%)
Fats -106g (30%)
Total Calories -3,171

Training:

A.M.
Elliptical (30 min.)

P.M.
Random upper body workout

 

[ScottyDoc]

I’m in the process of changing up my workouts, so today I just humored one of my friends by lifting with him.

Well... humor us and tell us the workout, you got me curious now, LoL!

 

[thetinyguy]

Had this ready for last night, but my power went out for 12 damn hours (as I was posting)

Back in the game. Felt really good today, PCT is going well no negative sides. I started DAA yesterday (AI Sports Nutrition…gave my Pure Test to friend in need). Still using the Lean Gains Protocol, and attempting to shred down my vacation weight (about 2.5lbs.). I feel a lot better being back home and back in control of my nutrition…man does mom like to feed us when were home. Really stuffed after my post-workout meal (50% of cal. Is about 1,600 cal.) but I’m making due. I’m in the process of changing up my workouts, so today I just humored one of my friends by lifting with him.

Macro-Nutrients:

Protein -259g (32%)
Carbohydrates -302.9g (38%)
Fats -106g (30%)
Total Calories -3,171

Training:

A.M.
Elliptical (30 min.)

P.M.
Random upper body workout

I wish my mom made huge home cooked family meals.... She's never been the cooking type it sucks SO much, It would come in handy especially for bulking

 

[TurningGreen]

I feel awesome today. I’m definitely getting more lean since I’ve reestablished my nutrition and training. Lean Gains is going well, even though I’m having trouble getting in all those calories. My body is saying stop and I find myself not able to stuff all that food down. I think I may try changing up my calorie intake putting my cap on training days at a max of 3,000 calories as opposed to 3,400. Other than that all is well with PCT. (don’t mix DAA powder with chocolate protein…tastes like sour milk)

Macro-Nutrients:

Protein -226.5g (32%)
Carbohydrates -313.3g (44%)
Fats -73.4g (23%)
Total Calories -2,774

Training:
A.M.
Elliptical (30 min.)

P.M.
Squat -3x8 @ 135lbs, 225lbs, 315lbs (A$$ to the floor)
RDL -3x10 @ 135lbs, 225lbs, 135lbs
Cable Squat Jump - 3x10 @ 80lbs
Forward Squat Jump to Medicine Ball Slam -1x15 @ 10lb ball
Bar Bell Calf Raise -3x20 @ 275lbs
Sounds pretty easy, but after a week of no legs…I felt it.

 

[musclerican]

Nice workout bro, shape up those tree trunks lol

 

[HereToStudy]

Glad PCT is going smooth.

 

[ScottyDoc]

I feel awesome today. I’m definitely getting more lean since I’ve reestablished my nutrition and training. Lean Gains is going well, even though I’m having trouble getting in all those calories. My body is saying stop and I find myself not able to stuff all that food down. I think I may try changing up my calorie intake putting my cap on training days at a max of 3,000 calories as opposed to 3,400. Other than that all is well with PCT. (don’t mix DAA powder with chocolate protein…tastes like sour milk)

Glad you are both Back and Back on Track Brotha, still following! Your brother PMed me and posted on my sample thread that he received his sample package, I'm sure he will love them! Now I know how you got that cool picture of you in a jail/prison, LoL, was wondering how you got that shot and with your shirt off, LoL, were there any inmates in there at the time?

 

[musclerican]

His muscle scared them away lol

 

[ScottyDoc]

His muscle scared them away lol

I know huh, that is why I can't believe the kids he teach dare to have attitudes with him, bulky muscle, biker looking Tats, as a kid... I would have been scared to say Boo to him!!! I'd have probably pissed my pants before asking him for permission to use the bathroom, LoL!

 

[TurningGreen]

Took a rest day today, and I’ve been researching German volume training. I’m going to start Monday with this style of training (this will be my first experience). I’m am going to attempt to push in those calories on my lift days to really reap the benefits of GVT. As of right now I’m really happy with how everything is going. My muscles still feel very hard and full, my energy is still high, and I feel with this new style of training I will be able to push further.

Macro-Nutrients:

Protein -238.8g (45%)
Carbohydrates -114.5g (22%)
Fats -78.9g (33%)
Total Calories -2,102

Training:

A.M.
Elliptical (30 min.)

P.M.
Rest Day

 

[TurningGreen]

I know huh, that is why I can't believe the kids he teach dare to have attitudes with him, bulky muscle, biker looking Tats, as a kid... I would have been scared to say Boo to him!!! I'd have probably pissed my pants before asking him for permission to use the bathroom, LoL!

Man kids can be punks. I actually had a kid want to fight me my first year of teaching. I had to talk him out of it by explaining to him that the beat down he would receive after he threw the first punch wouldnt be worth it. Needless to say he left the building peacefully.

As for the Jail pic, I actually made that in photoshop. Im sure my brother could get me in to the jail for some mug shots, but ill pass. I was actually a corrections officer in NY for about five years while I was getting my teaching degree...so I think Ive seen enough of the inside of prisons for a life time.

 

[HereToStudy]

Took a rest day today, and I’ve been researching German volume training. I’m going to start Monday with this style of training (this will be my first experience). I’m am going to attempt to push in those calories on my lift days to really reap the benefits of GVT. As of right now I’m really happy with how everything is going. My muscles still feel very hard and full, my energy is still high, and I feel with this new style of training I will be able to push further.

Macro-Nutrients:

Protein -238.8g (45%)
Carbohydrates -114.5g (22%)
Fats -78.9g (33%)
Total Calories -2,102

Training:

A.M.
Elliptical (30 min.)

P.M.
Rest Day

Good luck with the GTV. I have yet to try it, but I hear it can be exhausting.

 

[musclerican]

I never heard of gvt training but I will look into it also it sounds bad ass

 

[TurningGreen]

The new AM iphone app Is the SHEET

 

[packers6211]

Dang bro How much do you charge to train!!!! I'll bet most of the guys that go to my gym couldn't hang with those workouts. There to much into checking out the girls. Not that hot girls aren't nice lol. Anyway glad that your back and feeling good and that the pct is working. This Anabeta and Combustion is unreal bro, I'm like a constant mass of energy that doesn't want to stop working out. Keep up the work.

I feel awesome today. I’m definitely getting more lean since I’ve reestablished my nutrition and training. Lean Gains is going well, even though I’m having trouble getting in all those calories. My body is saying stop and I find myself not able to stuff all that food down. I think I may try changing up my calorie intake putting my cap on training days at a max of 3,000 calories as opposed to 3,400. Other than that all is well with PCT. (don’t mix DAA powder with chocolate protein…tastes like sour milk)

Macro-Nutrients:

Protein -226.5g (32%)
Carbohydrates -313.3g (44%)
Fats -73.4g (23%)
Total Calories -2,774

Training:
A.M.
Elliptical (30 min.)

P.M.
Squat -3x8 @ 135lbs, 225lbs, 315lbs (A$$ to the floor)
RDL -3x10 @ 135lbs, 225lbs, 135lbs
Cable Squat Jump - 3x10 @ 80lbs
Forward Squat Jump to Medicine Ball Slam -1x15 @ 10lb ball
Bar Bell Calf Raise -3x20 @ 275lbs
Sounds pretty easy, but after a week of no legs…I felt it.

 

[ScottyDoc]

I never heard of gvt training but I will look into it also it sounds bad ass

GVT = German Volume Training, it is very intense and IMO, I would not recommend anyone do it for any said length of time, again in my opinion 6wks tops! On the other hand, I think it is awesome and if you throw it into your workout every so often, lets say 1-week per month, talk about shock the system, and that my friends is how growth takes place!

This is what I found that a buddy of mine wrote on Muscle&Strength forum about it...

German Volume Training for Shocking Muscle Growth
Author: Steve Shaw

Sprechen sie Deutsch? Translated, that means do you speak German?

You don’t need to speak German to master German Volume Training. You only need to master your threshold for pain. Because German Volume Training is pain. It’s an insane and effective method of shocking your muscles.

Call German Volume Training the slumpbuster. If you’re in a rut, seeing no muscle gains, and need a dramatic change, look no further. Consider your muscle building slump to be over.

Core Principles of German Volume Training... German Volume Training isn’t rocket science. There’s no elaborate formulas to figure out, and no training techniques to be mastered. GVT is built around three simple, core principles:

1. One Exercise. You perform one exercise per body part. That’s it. Stick with heavier, compound-style lifts that tax major muscle groups. Because you will be performing a limited number of exercises per week, proper exercise selection is critical in maximizing the effects of GVT.
2. 100 Reps. For each exercise, you will be performing 10 sets of 10 reps. Start with 50 to 60% of your one rep max for that lift. Perform as many reps as possible for each of the 10 sets. There is no need to train to failure. Train close to failure. GVT is taxing enough without training to failure. When you can perform 100 total reps, or 10 sets of 10 reps, add 5 pounds to the bar the next time you use the same movement.
3. Rest Pause. You will be resting approximately 60-90 second between sets. There are numerous forms of GVT floating around the Internet, some a variation of Vince Gironda’s 8x8 training, and some with incredibly short rest periods. Resist the urge to lower your rest periods under the 60 second mark. Limiting rest like this will force you to decrease the load. You’re already working with weights slightly above half of your 1RM. It does you no good to use lighter weights then this. For most exercises, a 60 second rest works best. For big, beefy and taxing exercises like the squat, 90 seconds is needed. (And then some!)

German Volume Training Notes... You will also find that on certain exercises, you will lose strength fairly quickly. My strength dives when trying to hammer out sets of overhead presses. I don’t think I’d be able to perform 10 sets of 10 reps with 20% of my 1RM for this exercise.
Hang in there. Over time, your strength endurance will noticeably increase. Push for one more rep on every set. As long as you focus on progression, the weight will take care of itself.

On the first few sets of an exercise, the weight will feel too light. You’ll start to wonder if you’ve made a mistake. You didn’t. Be patient. By sets 7, 8, 9 and 10, you’ll be in tremendous pain. GVT is very deceiving. On paper it looks too easy. After 2 sets, it feels too easy. After a week of GVT, you’ll be ready to quit the program, and never run it again. It’s tough! But it works!

The German Volume Training Routine... German Volume Training involves only three workouts per week. Resist the urge to break this routine up into a four or five day split before actually trying it. It’s best to try GVT for several weeks before tweaking with it. My first GVT squat day left me so sore that I had a hard time squatting 8 days later, so I recommend not changing the program at all.

The three workouts are push, pulls and legs. I’ve modified this workout from the original structure. The original GVT program advocated working arms and shoulders together, and then hitting back and chest three days later. The problem with this approach is that your arms get so blasted tired and sore that it is very difficult to properly workout your chest and back.
The structure of the workouts is as follows:

• Day 1: Chest, Shoulders, Triceps (PUSH)
• Day 2: Rest
• Day 3: Back, Biceps, Abs (PULL)
• Day 4: Rest
• Day 5: Quads, Hamstrings, Calves (LEGS)
• Day 6: Rest
• Day 7: Rest

For abs and calves, there is no need to destroy yourself with a 10x10 set/rep scheme. Perform 3 sets of 10-25 reps for these body parts.
After working your chest and shoulders, your triceps may already be fried. Use your best judgment when working triceps. I recommend using 3 sets of 6-12 reps instead of the 10x10 method. But if you have it in the tank, by all means hammer out 10 sets on triceps.

The original German Volume Training method advocated only 3 sets for both biceps and triceps, and involved no direct hamstring work. You can stick with 3 sets for biceps, or jump up to 10x10. I prefer to go 10x10.

Do whatever is most effective for your body. For hamstrings, I recommend a 10x10 approach. Since you won’t be able to walk anyway from the squats, you might as well sell out completely to the pain.

German Volume Training Exercise Selection... Don’t get fancy with GVT. Stick with basic exercises, and avoid isolation work. A GVT program generally runs between 4-6 weeks. Pick exercises and stick with them. There is no need to worry about muscle confusion or isolation on GVT.

• Chest. Bench press, weighted chest dip, decline dumbbell press, etc.
• Shoulders. Pick some form of standing or seated overhead press, such as military press or seated dumbbell press.
• Triceps. Skullcrushers, seated French press, close grip bench press, etc.
• Back. Barbell rows or Yates rows, T-Bar rows, low pulley rows, pull ups, etc.
• Biceps. Barbell curls, preacher curls, etc.
• Abs. Sit ups, leg lifts, etc.
• Quads. Squats, front squats, leg press, etc.
• Hamstrings. Romanian deadlifts, leg curls, sumo deadlifts, etc.
• Calves. Standing or seated calf raises, etc.

Time to Hit the Gym... Expect extreme muscle soreness on this program. I recommend sticking with GVT no longer then 4-6 weeks. After that point, take a break. Your body will need it. Perform a more standard hypertrophy routine at this time. Push yourself on every set. Try for one more rep. GVT is known for its ability to add 10 pounds of muscle over a 4-6 week cycle. Eat big, and rest big!

 

[musclerican]

Nice bro I think I may try this sounds like I'm going to destroy myself lol

 

[musclerican]

The new AM iphone app Is the SHEET

Agree it is