Anyone who hasn't please feel free to see the "Pulsing Results" thread in my signature for cycles and plans that have already been run suxsexfully
When you subtract the aggression and drive as you stated, you CAN go with a M/W/F dosing. I ask you WHY you purposely forgo the known, added bennifit, but it doesn't matter.Just to recheck on a little detail (no, not about neo, we all no about his *cough* issues)... The primary reasoning behind pulsing is splitting the dose and lowering the overall total mg ingested per week. So even if someone is doing a 5 day a week workout scheme, theres no reason particularly (other than stim value of high androgenic compounds) to have the pulse days match the workout days correct? Its a question that was touched in another thread, but I see a lot of people asking about higher # of days workout scheme here. And it makes me wonder whether it wouldn't be simpler to stick to a M/W/F for the pulse, regardless of what days you work out.
Yes to some degree. But not as much as a reg cycle. When I pulsed it my bloodwork came back fine. I try to run CoQ-10 year round if I have the money. I will be running lose dose of Hawthrone berry too. Just for overall heart health. Hope that helps some.ok, ive been meaning to catch up with this thread for a long time now. ive read mention of liver and heart/blood pressure support supps but no one ever goes into detail. i recall D saying that they arent as crucial for pulsing but are people using them anyways? only on certain days or throughout the cycle? either way, pulsing superdrol would do some damage to the interior, wouldnt it?
If it makes u feel better I took nothing. Well I continued to take Advanced PCT and Retain 2 but it was only for week. I had some torem on hand just in case.thanks for the replies EasyEJL and UNCfan1! 1 more question about post cycle therapy's. from what ive gathered, pulsing is also much more firendly on the shutdown, and not much is needed. could you get away with ATD and a cortisol blocker? is it necessary to run a SERM? maybe for a week following the cycle? i havent identified a standard protocol cause everyone does something different.
No, never had this before bro.im not D but im almost certain that woulent be from the epi as ive dosed 60mg ED for 3 weeks straight and came no where close to experiencing any pain like that, may be the 6-oxo causing it... but in all honestly i think it may be a coincidence, have you EVER had this happen before?
Thank youprocess of elimination bud. I, personally, Would drop the 6oxo first and if the pain subsides then you know what the dealio. If it persists, drop the epi alltogether. If it still persists, call your doc. One can never be too careful, especialy with your nuts. I am thinking, like poopy said, its probably a coinsidence but you might as well take precautionary measures.
Keep us posted
I still do health oils for cholesterol support daily, and a test booster daily for that extra testosterone kick and anti-suppression insurance, but no "direct" BP or liver support at all. MFX is my only prostate support.seems like its more a recommendation to save any liver support supps for after the pulse, as there have been comments made that they interfere with the absorption of the ph/designer during the pulse. In theory, you are probably only taking half as much, maybe less - superdrol for instance you might only be taking 60-90mg a week (at 20-30/pulse day) vs 140-210. So it does make sense that the damage would be lower during the pulse, and require less support. As far as blood pressure goes, you are right, I havent really noticed anyone posting about it. Maybe it just spikes on the pulse days tho and drops back down on off days? not sure really, but i'm interested as i'm pretty sure superdrol will be my first pulse
you know what i remember having a similar problem a WHILE back.... but all i was dosing was NO2 back then... BUT i was having sex like 2-3 times ED and for hours at a time then just quit cold turkey when i dumped my gf...... i didnt keep up with the expenditure of seed and.... ya basically i had the worst nutpain ever, totally painful if they even brushed my leg and just felt like crap, think this is reffered to as blue balls by some but i had no actual discoloration.... so have you been sexually active and had a decrease in rate recently???Yesterday I stopped dosing 6-OXO Extreme, and today morning I woke up the pain has reduced, I still feel slight discomfort, but it is almost non-existant.
I just came back from training, today's pre-workout I dose 2 caps epidrol and another 2 caps post-workout, so far I felt no change yet, the slight discomfort is still there, still the same like this morning, but I don't get any increase in pain.
So I'll stay away from 6-OXO for now, and I'll keep on a lookout if tonight or tomorrow the pain comes back, if the pain comes back tonight or tomorrow then I conclude it must be the Epidrol, maybe my lefty cannot handle 40 mg dosed at such a closed distance, maybe I should spread out the dosage further, or maybe I should cut back to 30 mg, but if it doesn't come back or the pain totally disappears by tomorrow then it must be caused by 6-OXO.
Well the bad news is if 6-OXO is really the culprit, then I won't have any AI to be used on my off-days, would it be ok if I don't use any AI at all during off-days?
I also have another question, I'm thinking of experimenting with the dosing of epidrol. I workout at 11.30 AM, and before that I usually have 2 meals beforehand.
First Meal -> 6 AM = Wake up and have a protein shake
Second Meal -> 8.30 AM - 9.30 AM = Have solid whole food meal as my pre-workout meal.
Two hours later 11.30 AM = Train
Third Meal 1 PM = Protein shake as my post-workout meal
Fourth Meal 2.30 PM - 3.30 PM = Another solid whole food meal as my post post workout meal.
and fifth and six meals consumed at every 2.5 hours apart.
Now my usual dosing is 2 caps taken pre-workout (at around an hour after finishing the pre-workout meal, usually around 10.45 AM) and 2 caps taken straight post-workout with my post-workout shake.
I'm thinking of changing my dosing to 1 cap taken in the morning right at the moment I woke up (at 6am together with the first meal) to get my body in anabolic mode so that my body will absorb and utilize the two morning meals better, then I dose 2 caps pre-workout for pre-workout strength and energy and 1 cap post-workout for post-workout anabolism so that the body will better utilize the post-workout meals.
The problem I see with this is probably longer suppression, judging from epi's half-life of 6-8 hours, with my normal dosing (2 caps pre and 2 caps post) I will be suppressed for roughly about 10-12 hours probably.
But if I start at 6am then I will be suppressed for roughly about 14-16 hours.
What do you guys think of this? Is it a good idea or a bad idea?
General Feelings on an Epidrol Pulse:
Aside from the nut problem, so far I've been really enjoying my pulse cycle experience, strength gains are apparent, I look bigger in the mirror, I feel hungry all the time forcing me to change from my recomp cycle to a bulking cycle, cause I've been eating so much.
On the day where I took the dose sometimes for no reason whatsoever I suddenly feel happy, it's pretty weird, but I'm really enjoying the feeling, probably this is what people called the feeling of well-being.
I really hope that Epidrol won't be the cause of my lefty to suffer in agony, I'm having so much fun and I really don't want to drop out from my cycle because of that.
I haven't tested Epidrol, so I can't make claims, but I have stated before that only Epistane to my knowledge is the real deal what the label says it is. IBE has an exclusive source and it's the only source that tests pure so far. The rest of the clones I've tested as well as the other labs that have tried to prepare it contain at least 2-12 different compounds! I don't recommend them, but I can't say that's what is causing your pain.Dr. D or anyone
I'm on my 13th day of my epidrol pulsing cycle (Today and Yesterday was Off-Days), and I've been pulsing for 5 workout days out of that 13 days. I'm feeling a slight pain in my left nut has anybody ever experience such a thing? ...
I've never used this compound. I had a bottle but tossed it because I chickened out, lol. It's just too progestinic looking for me and I hate puffy nipples! You could pulse it just like any other non-methyl though and some guys I highly respect (like Leggo) tell me they really like it.alri max lmg clone. 13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17-one
Just lower the dose. I finished reading Dan's thesis on this product yesterday and he states that 600mg lowered LH! I would certainly stick to 300mg or less, it worked better and looked less toxic from his report.... Well the bad news is if 6-OXO is really the culprit, then I won't have any AI to be used on my off-days, would it be ok if I don't use any AI at all during off-days? ...
Yeah! And if you were a lady, I might post them, lol. You would certainly be much more impressed with the lower body picture.Sigh....any full body shots D?
no not really.you know what i remember having a similar problem a WHILE back.... but all i was dosing was NO2 back then... BUT i was having sex like 2-3 times ED and for hours at a time then just quit cold turkey when i dumped my gf...... i didnt keep up with the expenditure of seed and.... ya basically i had the worst nutpain ever, totally painful if they even brushed my leg and just felt like crap, think this is reffered to as blue balls by some but i had no actual discoloration.... so have you been sexually active and had a decrease in rate recently???
I was using 2 caps ED (2 caps of 6-OXO Extreme is about 120 grams of 6-OXO).Just lower the dose. I finished reading Dan's thesis on this product yesterday and he states that 600mg lowered LH! I would certainly stick to 300mg or less, it worked better and looked less toxic from his report.
I also have another question, I'm thinking of experimenting with the dosing of epidrol. I workout at 11.30 AM, and before that I usually have 2 meals beforehand.
First Meal -> 6 AM = Wake up and have a protein shake
Second Meal -> 8.30 AM - 9.30 AM = Have solid whole food meal as my pre-workout meal.
Two hours later 11.30 AM = Train
Third Meal 1 PM = Protein shake as my post-workout meal
Fourth Meal 2.30 PM - 3.30 PM = Another solid whole food meal as my post post workout meal.
and fifth and six meals consumed at every 2.5 hours apart.
Now my usual dosing is 2 caps taken pre-workout (at around an hour after finishing the pre-workout meal, usually around 10.45 AM) and 2 caps taken straight post-workout with my post-workout shake.
I'm thinking of changing my dosing to 1 cap taken in the morning right at the moment I woke up (at 6am together with the first meal) to get my body in anabolic mode so that my body will absorb and utilize the two morning meals better, then I dose 2 caps pre-workout for pre-workout strength and energy and 1 cap post-workout for post-workout anabolism so that the body will better utilize the post-workout meals.
The problem I see with this is probably longer suppression, judging from epi's half-life of 6-8 hours, with my normal dosing (2 caps pre and 2 caps post) I will be suppressed for roughly about 10-12 hours probably.
But if I start at 6am then I will be suppressed for roughly about 14-16 hours.
What do you guys think of this? Is it a good idea or a bad idea?
Would pulsing this with an AI type designer like epistane keep those sides down/non-existent? it actually would be a nice mix too as epistane is a nice dry compound and from all accounts this is a pretty wet one as far as gains go, so you'd hit a middle groundI've never used this compound. I had a bottle but tossed it because I chickened out, lol. It's just too progestinic looking for me and I hate puffy nipples! You could pulse it just like any other non-methyl though and some guys I highly respect (like Leggo) tell me they really like it.
Oh yeah, for certain. In fact, that's the only way I would try it, with some insurance like Epistane or an AI stacked in too.Would pulsing this with an AI type designer like epistane keep those sides down/non-existent? it actually would be a nice mix too as epistane is a nice dry compound and from all accounts this is a pretty wet one as far as gains go, so you'd hit a middle ground
I think pulsing LMG with a potent dry compound is the way to go. I really liked it with superdrol and I suspect that I would like it no less with epistane. Epistane is awesome stuff. I was in a caloric deficit the past 4 weeks on epi and I weigh the same but lost almost 2 inches around my waist and am noticably harder. My strength didn't go up noticably but I don't expect it to while dieting... At least my strength didn't go down. LOLWould pulsing this with an AI type designer like epistane keep those sides down/non-existent? it actually would be a nice mix too as epistane is a nice dry compound and from all accounts this is a pretty wet one as far as gains go, so you'd hit a middle ground
thats pretty sick bro! was that a straight epi cut or a pulse?I think pulsing LMG with a potent dry compound is the way to go. I really liked it with superdrol and I suspect that I would like it no less with epistane. Epistane is awesome stuff. I was in a caloric deficit the past 4 weeks on epi and I weigh the same but lost almost 2 inches around my waist and am noticably harder. My strength didn't go up noticably but I don't expect it to while dieting... At least my strength didn't go down. LOL
Pulse. I started out pulsing nonmethyls (TST, LMG, and Orastan) for 2 weeks. then threw in s'drol (with LMG) for 3 weeks, then epi solo for 4 weeks. I am going to do 1 more week of non-methyls and my pulse will be over (10 weeks total). The 1st half of the pulse was mass and strength centered and the 2nd half has been more of a cut. I feel fantastic, libido is kicking, balls are swole and I don't really feel that PCT will be a requirement. I'll probably do a couple of days of clomid at 100 mg but that will be it. I have some other stuff on hand just in case but I don't think I'll need it.thats pretty sick bro! was that a straight epi cut or a pulse?
sounds good bro! cant wait to hit up that epi superdrol trn pulse come real soon... its gonna be sick.Pulse. I started out pulsing nonmethyls (TST, LMG, and Orastan) for 2 weeks. then threw in s'drol (with LMG) for 3 weeks, then epi solo for 4 weeks. I am going to do 1 more week of non-methyls and my pulse will be over (10 weeks total). The 1st half of the pulse was mass and strength centered and the 2nd half has been more of a cut. I feel fantastic, libido is kicking, balls are swole and I don't really feel that post cycle therapy will be a requirement. I'll probably do a couple of days of clomid at 100 mg but that will be it. I have some other stuff on hand just in case but I don't think I'll need it.
epi was pulsed 40mg per day 3x per week, BTW
sup poops! Yeah, i was thinking afterward, pre & post doses for TRN that way as you said i get those awesome strength gains. I may do that as well for epi as well....JMO i would take the TRN pre... that stuff is HIGHLY androgenic and will give you better strength gains then EPI and Epi is highly anabolic and would be better suited post (actually id go half pre and half post) so that way you have the more anabolic compound workin for you when your trying to rebuild the muscle.
and wich trn brand is this??? 8mg is a VERY high dose. i saw sick results and BAD sides with only 4.5 mg of the origianal ALRI formula
sounds good! ya i think the GL was the only one that was close but not quite as strong... either way sounds like you got yourself accustomed to how you react so it looks like a solid plan and perfect pulse dose for ya!sup poops! Yeah, i was thinking afterward, pre & post doses for TRN that way as you said i get those awesome strength gains. I may do that as well for epi as well....
I have a TON of the GL TRN, which i believe is the orignal from ALRI. I have used it before and 4mgs didnt do much besides boost libido. 6 mgs was just right, for me. I am hoping to avoid sides from TRN with the pulse, so I may just try 8 mgs to see what happens.
Hey guys, looking for some pro feedback on my Epi pulse cycle that I'm putting together. I've tried to synthesize a lot of the ancillary supp info found in the plusing thread. I *fully* understand the concept behind pulsing (i.e. no "real" post cycle therapy needed) but I'm looking to augment this cycle through AI and Anti-cort support to minimize sides and retain my gains. Any feedback about that specifically would be greatly appreciated. See my DOSE questions below.
Stats: 34, 6'1, 168, 13% bf, ecto.
Personalilty:
Not a gym egomaniac. In my perfect little world I'd be 180-185lbs @ 10%bf with super flexibility and balanced proportions. Feedback accordingly.
Experience:
weight training for 6 years
Previous cycles:
ALRI Evo stack
Diet:
by Bobo, approx. ~3200cal/day @ 311g Pro / 322g Carb / 76g Fat and 1gal water min.
Workout:
ON days: midday workout Tues / Thurs / Sat
OFF days: light cardio (rowing) or yoga (generally one day eacH)
Recovery:
7hrs sleep, daily stretching, clean diet w/ little to no alcohol (usually just a glass of wine), high calorie diet on OFF days.
Goals:
10lbs lean muscle without running a SERM and minimized sides
Pulse:
8-week Epistane
Wk 1: 10/20/30mg
Wk 2-3: 30mg
Wk 4: bump to 40mg based on progress
Wk 5: OFF depending on how I feel
Wk 6-9: 40mg
Dosing:
ED: Xlean in a.m. and early p.m. <---- DOSE?
ON days: Epistane 1hr pre-w/o, 30min post workout
Xlean pre-workout <---- DOSE?
OFF days: HDX2 - 2caps prior to bed
Supps:
ED: Multi-V, Omega-3
OFF days: Creatine @ 5mg <----OPINIONS / DOSE ?
BCAA @ 15g <---OPINIONS?
Post-cycle:
Retain XT if needed
Thanks in advance for any help, you guys rock!
Thanks poopy...any thoughts on the creatine & BCAA?looks like a solid plan man! doubt youl have any shutdown with that regimin specially with the break.
as for the xlean youll want to dose 1 cap AM and 1 cap preworkout.
both benificial, both recommended, usually id hold off on creatine while ON cycle but since this is a pulse i think it would just be one more thing to help, but usually it would just get lost in the cycle and youd want it for during pct in order to help keep gains.Thanks poopy...any thoughts on the creatine & BCAA?
Yeah my typo on the g vs mg. I've cycled off creatine and it'll be a month off before I start to load again followed by the cycle a week later. Gotta say I'm super-stoked about this pulse, I think it's gonna rock! Tks...:head:both benificial, both recommended, usually id hold off on creatine while ON cycle but since this is a pulse i think it would just be one more thing to help, but usually it would just get lost in the cycle and youd want it for during post cycle therapy in order to help keep gains.
as for the dose... its typically dosed in the grams not mg... so id go 2g ED if your using CEE and 5g ED if your using monohydrate. youll want to front load the monohydrate for 1 week with 5g am and 5g pm first then drop down to the 5g ED typically post workout or in the AM on off days.
Its so individual... my philosophy is take the absolute minimum to get the gains, for others its take as much as you can squeeze in until the side effects get too bad to manage More dependent on your goals. I've seen people taking 50 + 60 of epi alone on a full cycle, so its really dependent on how you handle it. Start low, ramp up, let each change sit for a week before changing again. So maybe 10/10 first week, 20/20 second, 20/20 third and bump to 30/20 fourth if you feel like you need it. You need to expect slower gains on a pulse too, so don't be expecting 4lbs a weeki got a ?...how much ergo max could i pulse? 20 mgs was all i used to use but i was tempted to 30-40 3x a week ..but i also wanted to run epistane with it..maybe 20 mgs..is this too much methyl?i am at least 3 weeks away from doing this pulse and just was curious how much ergo i should go for..any feedback is much appreciated
thats good. i dont know why you would ask that its a no brainer according to Dr D's pulsing.Would X-Lean be good for off days if I were running an Epistane pulse for 8 weeks?
i got a ?...how much ergo max could i pulse? 20 mgs was all i used to use but i was tempted to 30-40 3x a week ..but i also wanted to run epistane with it..maybe 20 mgs..is this too much methyl?i am at least 3 weeks away from doing this pulse and just was curious how much ergo i should go for..any feedback is much appreciated