i actually have phera too.i just have 2 bottles of ergo sitting around i wanna use up.epistane/havoc are my favs and i love to incorporate them into any cycle.so maybe i will hold off on the pher/ergo stack and just run a high 50-60mg epistane pulse
screw it, throw an Ergo on top of that epi pulse for good measure. Good stuff!!
It was more or less a question of if the product lived up to the company's rep or not. If it seems to be one of the better choices then okay.
Hey JZ, looks like a good plan to me! I'm doing well and pray you are too brother. Hit me on a PM sometime and let me know how it's going my friend.Hey D,
How are you? Very busy im sure (this thread/board alone keeps my extra time), hopefully things are well and the walk is going well too.... I am really looking forward to Epi and the worst case if this is too much (which i feel it is), I may just drop the Trn alltogether. ... thanks in advance brother!
Wojo, E said it very well right here, start low and work up, use only what is needed to get results.Its so individual... my philosophy is take the absolute minimum to get the gains, for others its take as much as you can squeeze in until the side effects get too bad to manage
Yes, I designed X-Lean so I know, it's a top notch combo cort antagonist and well suited for pulsing or dieting either one.
hey i def agree with what he said but as far as epi/havoc go i have already done that..typical epi/havoc cycle for me is 40 mgs..worked up from 20 to 40..but i guess i can try that with ergo and work my way up
Would it make more sense to pulse the xmass with the epi, or to run it straight through the final 4 weeks of the pulse cycle?
definatley run it in a pulse throughout otherwise its going to shut ou down... the whole point is to avoid shutdown.
Well 30mg is borderline dirty to me on a reg cycle, sides start at 25mg to me, so do just 30 if you can or 40 if you have too on a pulse. I would not exceed 40 but everyone is different so you may require that much. I personally have a tendency toward gyno with Ergo/phera, most guys don't have a prob with it though.
Revolt is an Ergo clone is it?
It is the same compound as ALRI's Max LMG and X-mass. I'm still not quite sure how it relates to erogomax.
I see.
Are the progestin based has more chance of getting gyno?
no, superdrol = methyl-drostanolone (dht derivative)
It depends on the user, typically progestins are non-aromatizable however they are derivatives of progesterone, which in and of itself can directly cause gyno in those whose receptors are sensitive to progesterone. I have used several progestin based compounds with success and havent had any gyno issues, though many people won't touch progestins.
and probably be taking 6-oxo extreme or at least resveratrol during the pulse
It doesn't. ALR designed the two to be stacked together.
I see, thanks leggo
HDX2 = Take before bedtime, you can take ED or Off-Nights only. Dosage 1 to 2 caps.
after you run a pct.
Thanks for the great info. I will order all of that stuff tonight.after you run a post cycle therapy.
bottom line is what Easy touched on.... low starting test levels. not to be rude jsut a matter of precaution especially with someone like you who is more unexperienced with what will happen and not knowing what your natural test levels are at to begin with you need to get blodwork at the start and finish of every cycle to make sure you are healthy enough to do so. its more then likely you had borderline low test and all it took as the little bit of substituting with epi to tell your nuts to shutdown, even with 6-oxo (personally the weakest AI when compared to atd, or 6-bromo and def armidex) you would have been better off taking mass fx then that IMO. so now that you DO know where you are, wich is shutdown, youll need to run a full and complete post cycle therapy, SERM and everything.
pick yourself up some toremifene citrate (will get you nuts back so fast its rediculous... mine were actually bigger after running it) and some HDX2 and Mass FX to make sure you boost your test as quickly as possible in order to maintain your hard earned gains (GJ btw those are great gains for 2 or 3 weeks) and hold off estrogen when you are in your lowered state. not to mention the mass fx will make sure that all that new test your producing will be unbound and usable.
good luck bro and dont worry all youve done is experienced what most would with a normal cycle just follow protocol and youll be swingin big again in no time
J/k man in all seriousness you would be hard pressed to be shutdown beyond that wich toremifene could bring you back from from epi alone. but again how long total was your cycle gonna be?I have been pulsing it once every 3 to 4 days at 40 mg since July 2nd, so..... 39 days divided by 3 = 13 times since then. I wanted to do 8 weeks or so, around the end of this month.how long have you run it already and how long total were you planning?
i doubt you could reach complete shut down from epi pulsed alone, and even if you did there are still many methods of trying to jumpstart it... if not then hell go to your doc and get HRT and youll be on test the rest of yo life
Drop the 6-oxo or cut it too 100mg/off night. It raise DHT levels (the acne you noted), might be why your shutting down now stacked with Epi.
I would run the pulse another few weeks but only dose epi 2 days a week and at least 2 days apart (like mon and thurs). This will allow you to be anablic on the days that you want and need to be anabolic on and will pave the way to a bigger and better "bounce" (spike in natural test upregulation) on your "off " days and thus a speedier recovery (my balls seem to swell on my off days). Just my 2 cents :cheers: ... Torem is a good suggestion for pct BTW
I would pulse something like this:
lol i think we all have our superdrol stories from when it first came out... mine involved the pizza guy... didnt you end up commandeering some heavy machinery? LOL.... dunno if that was just a joke or not but lookin back on it mine seems funny too.. poor pizza guy...I'm not sure I would exceed 40mg on the superdrol. I start getting really "alpha" even just at 40, but maybe you're better at that than I.
as long as you get ready in your head that your just gonna run a pct after this then id say finish the cycle out as planned, D has a good tip bout the 6-oxo kick it back and like leggo said make sure your spacing out your epi doses enough... like E3D or something. GL and let us know how it goes man.
You have to experiment with the dosing bro, try it out and see which one will work the best for you.
Just for clarification, its more that the 6-oxo is causing him to go over a threshold point that is causing the shutdown but the primary cause is the epi?
the combo looks better to me. I'd start with what you have, and look at what gains are like come middle to end of week 3 to decide whether to raise the mdrol. Its always best to take the minimum you need to get results.
Yeah, I took justice into my own hands and commandeered a Bobcat down the street, true story. I'm not proud of it, but we all have our limits of abuse and I had reached mine!
