Tell Us What You Would Like to See From SNS & CEL (2023 Edition)

[sns8778]

Great time Ahead! What is better to boost Mtor Pepti-plex or PA? What are the advantage of one compare to another one? Should we stack both, or the mechanism of action will be to similar?

There is a lot more to Pepti-Plex than mTOR activation; that is only one pathway through which the product will work. That's one of the exciting things about it to me is that it does have a positive impact on mTOR activation, has a positive impact on myostatin inhibition, and also works to help build and retain muscle through some pathways that most people aren't even familiar with.

I think that they will make a perfect stack together and should work very well. I just started adding it into the stack that I've been running myself.

That's one big aspect of us bringing out natural anabolics now days is that we already have so many good ones, that in introducing more, its important that we bring out things that work through different pathways so that we don't just wind up competing with ourselves. And that is something that should be, and hopefully is exciting for customers because it will provide new products that utilize different pathways for maximum stacking or cycling capabilities.

 

[Jeremyk1]

Great time Ahead! What is better to boost Mtor Pepti-plex or PA? What are the advantage of one compare to the other one? Should we stack both, or the mechanism of action will be to similar?

I’d have to dig in more to be sure, but from what I’m gathering, I’d lean more toward PA for strength or muscle gain. PeptiStrong helps muscle building, but I’m kind of viewing it as more anti-catabolic, but it also has research showing fatigue reduction. I’ll need reviews to start coming in to really see though.

As far as stacking, it should work. From what I recall, PA acts somewhat upstream and allows more mTOR activation rather than directly signaling. Been so long since I read about it though.

 

[sns8778]

I’d have to dig in more to be sure, but from what I’m gathering, I’d lean more toward PA for strength or muscle gain. PeptiStrong helps muscle building, but I’m kind of viewing it as more anti-catabolic, but it also has research showing fatigue reduction. I’ll need reviews to start coming in to really see though.

As far as stacking, it should work. From what I recall, PA acts somewhat upstream and allows more mTOR activation rather than directly signaling. Been so long since I read about it though.

I think that its really hard to compare the two directly, but I think a lot of people will try to because of the mTor activation aspects; but like you mentioned, they do that in different ways so its still hard to directly compare. And I think that they could actually prove very complimentary of one another.

The research on PeptiStrong shows multiple anabolic and anti-catabolic pathways, plus some really cool injury recovery data.

I think that they will make for a great stack; especially for people like myself that have a high protein intake.

 

[akboom87]

Been away for a bit and catching up, sounds like some exciting products!!

 

[baldwanus]

I looked at OxyJun when formulating Cardiovascular Support XT and had decided to go with ArjunaPure for it.

OxyJun is by InnoPhos and we do use a couple of their ingredients, but a lot of their ingredients are extremely expensive as compared to the same ingredient by other companies and in some of these cases, the specs are no different.

So I guess my request should be more: any chance for ArjunaPure caps in the future?

 

[sns8778]

So I guess my request should be more: any chance for ArjunaPure caps in the future?

I would be glad to if there's enough interest in it.

I would be glad to do either one depending on interest, but in my opinion ArjunaPure is the better ingredient and especially for the price.

 

[sns8778]

I wanted to let everyone know that we extended the Labor Day Sale thru midnight Sunday night, September 10th.

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[josun]

I’m not sure if this was requested, but as far as anti aging or slowing down the aging process or improving skin quality and elasticity etc.
Is there is anything in the works!

Look into trans resveratrol and NMN

 

[sns8778]

Look into trans resveratrol and NMN

The issue with NMN now is that the FDA has taken action against it stating that it doesn't meet the definition of a dietary supplement.

I know a lot of people don't care about that part, but here's why it matters:

Any contract manufacturer that is cGMP that were to run an NMN product now would be running the risk of being fined or closed down by the FDA. Therefore, its very hard to find any legitimate brands selling NMN now.

The NMN category of supplements had already been a very high fraud category to begin with and that situation just made it worse.

 

[josun]

The issue with NMN now is that the FDA has taken action against it stating that it doesn't meet the definition of a dietary supplement.

I know a lot of people don't care about that part, but here's why it matters:

Any contract manufacturer that is cGMP that were to run an NMN product now would be running the risk of being fined or closed down by the FDA. Therefore, its very hard to find any legitimate brands selling NMN now.

The NMN category of supplements had already been a very high fraud category to begin with and that situation just made it worse.

Was not aware of that. So NMN is a scam? I'm using California Gold Nutrition NMN

 

[Ape McGrapes]

@sns8778 Any opinion on Enostim, Prelox or Virilast?

 

[sns8778]

@sns8778 Any opinion on Enostim, Prelox or Virilast?

Enostim looked good on paper but never seemed to translate over into good real world feedback.

Prelox - Expensive and the feedback I've seen on it wasn't great.

Virilast - came out to a lot of hype about 6 or 7 years ago and the feedback wasn't great on it and its an expensive ingredient. Its too expensive to include in a good formula, and as a single ingredient didn't seem to live up to the hype at all.

Not meaning to be negative; always open to suggestions on ingredients. Those are just my thoughts on those.

 

[Ape McGrapes]

Enostim looked good on paper but never seemed to translate over into good real world feedback.

Prelox - Expensive and the feedback I've seen on it wasn't great.

Virilast - came out to a lot of hype about 6 or 7 years ago and the feedback wasn't great on it and its an expensive ingredient. Its too expensive to include in a good formula, and as a single ingredient didn't seem to live up to the hype at all.

Not meaning to be negative; always open to suggestions on ingredients. Those are just my thoughts on those.

I assumed as much. Nome really impressed me on first look. They are all formulas that can be duplicated or worked upon. Vaso-6 instead of arginine. Pycnogenol and Enostim are pretty much just for their proanthocyanidin content. Nothing regular pine bark or grape seed extract couldn't replace.

 

[sns8778]

Was not aware of that. So NMN is a scam? I'm using California Gold Nutrition NMN

I don't think that NMN is a scam - at least not in the sense of it being a bad ingredient.

The issue is moreso that there have been issues for a long time with products claiming to contain NMN not meeting label claims. When it was still allowable for sale on Amazon, this was a massive problem - fly by night brands popping up and selling it at prices below what it would cost to even make a legitimate NMN product for.

^^^ That is why you never saw it offered from a lot of legit brands, because a lot of brands, including me, didn't want to fool with making one and trying to compete with the number of BS products on the market.

Then awhile ago, the FDA made a statement that NMN doesn't meet the legal definition of a dietary supplement. That led the few well-known legit companies that were making it to stop making it and the ingredient was also pulled off of Amazon and off of most major websites.

So now, with it not being allowed by the FDA, no cGMP manufacturing facility is going to risk even having the ingredient in the building because they could face fines or being shut down. So that takes a situation where it was already hard to find a legitimate NMN product and makes even that much harder.

I'm not familiar with the brand you're taking so I can't speak on them specifically; just on the situation as a whole.

 

[Johnanthab178]

A SNS multivitamin would be great honestly. A good quality multi designed specifically for aiding muscle building and providing antioxidant support. I've tried many and the best one that comes close would be Thorne's am/pm multivitamin but it's outrageously expensive for the time being.

 

[sns8778]

A SNS multivitamin would be great honestly. A good quality multi designed specifically for aiding muscle building and providing antioxidant support. I've tried many and the best one that comes close would be Thorne's am/pm multivitamin but it's outrageously expensive for the time being.

I have a formula designed for a multi and have received pricing back on it. It's a great formula and would be an awesome product; but I'm just not sure about it on a couple levels.

I would love to hear everyone's feedback on this.

The things with multi-vitamins that makes them problematic and why you really don't see many great ones are:

• Everyone says they want a great product - but then they want it to be super cheap and that's just not realistic because the better forms of vitamins and minerals are much more expensive; and even if some of the add-in's aren't terribly expensive on their own, there can be so many inclusions that it can add up fast.
• Everyone says they want a great product - but then people complain about the amount of capsules per day they would have to take; and a well dosed one with the better forms of vitamins and minerals with a few good add in's, you're going to be looking at 3 massive tablets or 4 capsules.

The one that I have designed and priced out would in my opinion be the most comprehensive multi-vitamin/mineral supplement on the market. It would have pretty much all the advanced forms of the vitamins and minerals, but you would be looking at 4 capsules per day and around 29.99 per month.

I'm curious to hear everyone's thoughts on that.

 

[thescience]

I have a formula designed for a multi and have received pricing back on it. It's a great formula and would be an awesome product; but I'm just not sure about it on a couple levels.

I would love to hear everyone's feedback on this.

The things with multi-vitamins that makes them problematic and why you really don't see many great ones are:

• Everyone says they want a great product - but then they want it to be super cheap and that's just not realistic because the better forms of vitamins and minerals are much more expensive; and even if some of the add-in's aren't terribly expensive on their own, there can be so many inclusions that it can add up fast.
• Everyone says they want a great product - but then people complain about the amount of capsules per day they would have to take; and a well dosed one with the better forms of vitamins and minerals with a few good add in's, you're going to be looking at 3 massive tablets or 4 capsules.

The one that I have designed and priced out would in my opinion be the most comprehensive multi-vitamin/mineral supplement on the market. It would have pretty much all the advanced forms of the vitamins and minerals, but you would be looking at 4 capsules per day and around 29.99 per month.

I'm curious to hear everyone's thoughts on that.

i guess my opinion doesnt hold weight here since im not in the market for a multi (dont notice benefits from them), but here goes: i recommend albion minerals. they only use elemental forms of the mineral so no bile is needed/dont need to be eaten with food and cellular absorption is better (larger forms can be larger than the cell that is supposed to absorb them, 2) they are double-chelated so they dont compete with other minerals for internally-produced chelation (thus for example albion zinc wont suppress copper levels) 3) they have the only iron that is gras approved by the FDA (non-absorbed iron is pretty much food for bugs) 4) theyre pretty inexpensive. swanson at least can sell them really cheap.

i dont recommend non-coenzymated b vitamins. i remember a study on pyrodoxine that actually lowered levels of p5p over time as the enzymated levels became overwhelmed, resulting in some of the symptoms people get from pyrodoxine. dont know if that holds true with some of the other b vits

im not a fan of multi's containing magnesium, which i dont need and is a laxative. isnt maalox straight up magnesium? that said, spectracell keeps tabs on everyone who has taken the test and magnesium is the most abundant deficiency they came across, probably due to the fact that its laxative qualities may have stopped it from being added to fortified foods in bigger amounts and in most cases at all.

i would argue smaller amounts and thus less caps would be more effective with that than alot of stuff out there.

 

[Madevilz]

Most multis are way overdosed. I use them just as insurance just in case I am missing something. Id rather have a multi with good forms at a dosage as close to the RDA as possible or less.

The formula should also be taking into consideration the different vitamins and minerals combo that compete for absorption.

 

[sns8778]

Most multis are way overdosed. I use them just as insurance just in case I am missing something. Id rather have a multi with good forms at a dosage as close to the RDA as possible or less.

The formula should also be taking into consideration the different vitamins and minerals combo that compete for absorption.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. No offense, I see your side - I just have a different point of view.

I want to point out too that I mean absolutely nothing negative by that - I appreciate you posting in this thread and I appreciate you posting on things in general that can lead to good discussion. So if I ever reply to you and explain things or have a different opinion, know that I'm not being negative towards you, I'm just discussing it.

The RDA is the amount needed to sustain life or avoid health conditions related to deficiency - it is in no way related to optimal health or performance.

So even the amounts that would be optimal for a sedentary individual are commonly much higher than the RDA's and the amounts that may be optimal for someone that is active may be even higher.

I'm not saying go overboard for the sake of going overboard; but I do believe a true good multi-vitamin/mineral should contain the dosages of things to where people don't have to go and buy a ton of extra things.

For example - right now, I have to buy a lot of my vitamins separately just because there's not a multi vitamin that I'm happy with the dosages on. There are a lot of people in my situation, and I would love to be able to provide them an option to be able to not have to do that.


As as taking into consideration that certain vitamins and minerals interfere or compete with absorption of one another, I'm very familiar with that and have been posting about that for over 15 years, back long before it was more commonly known. I remember when I used to originally post about that and no one believed it or had ever heard about it haha.

 

[sns8778]

i guess my opinion doesnt hold weight here since im not in the market for a multi (dont notice benefits from them), but here goes: i recommend albion minerals. they only use elemental forms of the mineral so no bile is needed/dont need to be eaten with food and cellular absorption is better (larger forms can be larger than the cell that is supposed to absorb them, 2) they are double-chelated so they dont compete with other minerals for internally-produced chelation (thus for example albion zinc wont suppress copper levels) 3) they have the only iron that is gras approved by the FDA (non-absorbed iron is pretty much food for bugs) 4) theyre pretty inexpensive. swanson at least can sell them really cheap.

i dont recommend non-coenzymated b vitamins. i remember a study on pyrodoxine that actually lowered levels of p5p over time as the enzymated levels became overwhelmed, resulting in some of the symptoms people get from pyrodoxine. dont know if that holds true with some of the other b vits

im not a fan of multi's containing magnesium, which i dont need and is a laxative. isnt maalox straight up magnesium? that said, spectracell keeps tabs on everyone who has taken the test and magnesium is the most abundant deficiency they came across, probably due to the fact that its laxative qualities may have stopped it from being added to fortified foods in bigger amounts and in most cases at all.

i would argue smaller amounts and thus less caps would be more effective with that than alot of stuff out there.

I think that a lot of people don't notice benefits from multis - and that's something I would like to change by offering a great one. Now keep in mind, there's not but so much that someone is going to notice from a multi anyway; but I would like to provide one that has the optimal forms and great dosages.

The product that I have designed and got pricing on - literally every mineral in the product that has an Albion form of it is an Albion mineral.

The downside to Albion minerals is that they are expensive compared to basic mineral forms and also that the input dosages can be very high. You mentioned that they only provide elemental forms - they want their minerals labeled only as elemental amounts, but the input dosages to provide those elemental amounts is actually very high - that leads to needing more capsules for the total formula. The use of Albion minerals is a big part of why it would be a 4 capsule formula.

All of the B Vitamins in the formula would be at their ideal coenzyme forms or ideal types and at ideal dosages.

There are a lot of different types of magnesium. Not all of them have a laxative effect. You mentioned Albion and for example, they make several forms of magnesium that don't have a laxative effect.

As for the smaller amounts and thus less caps - its important to note that with minerals, and especially the best forms like Albion, its not the elemental dosage that takes up so much capsule space; its that a large input dose is required to yield those elemental contents. For example, 75 mg. of input on Zinc to yield 15 mg. elemental; 250 mg. d-magnesium malate to yield 50 mg. elemental; 20 mg. Selenium to yield just 200 mcg. elemental; etc.

 

[sns8778]

Most multis are way overdosed. I use them just as insurance just in case I am missing something. Id rather have a multi with good forms at a dosage as close to the RDA as possible or less.

The formula should also be taking into consideration the different vitamins and minerals combo that compete for absorption.

Actually another thought on this anyway though is that if we do the formula that I want to - it would be well dosed and be 4 capsules per day - so if you wanted to go with a lower dosage based on personal preferences, you could actually just take 1 or 2 capsules per day and cater your dose to your individual preferences and then would have the ideal forms of everything and the bottle would just last you longer.

 

[thescience]

I think that a lot of people don't notice benefits from multis - and that's something I would like to change by offering a great one. Now keep in mind, there's not but so much that someone is going to notice from a multi anyway; but I would like to provide one that has the optimal forms and great dosages.

The product that I have designed and got pricing on - literally every mineral in the product that has an Albion form of it is an Albion mineral.

The downside to Albion minerals is that they are expensive compared to basic mineral forms and also that the input dosages can be very high. You mentioned that they only provide elemental forms - they want their minerals labeled only as elemental amounts, but the input dosages to provide those elemental amounts is actually very high - that leads to needing more capsules for the total formula. The use of Albion minerals is a big part of why it would be a 4 capsule formula.

All of the B Vitamins in the formula would be at their ideal coenzyme forms or ideal types and at ideal dosages.

There are a lot of different types of magnesium. Not all of them have a laxative effect. You mentioned Albion and for example, they make several forms of magnesium that don't have a laxative effect.

As for the smaller amounts and thus less caps - its important to note that with minerals, and especially the best forms like Albion, its not the elemental dosage that takes up so much capsule space; its that a large input dose is required to yield those elemental contents. For example, 75 mg. of input on Zinc to yield 15 mg. elemental; 250 mg. d-magnesium malate to yield 50 mg. elemental; 20 mg. Selenium to yield just 200 mcg. elemental; etc.

ive actually taken straight up coenzyme A sodium. better than pantethine. turns into a clear goop if you leave it in your pocket

 

[sns8778]

ive actually taken straight up coenzyme A sodium. better than pantethine. turns into a clear goop if you leave it in your pocket

I've never tried that straight before.

I do use Pantethine daily and it was part of the ingredient test run I do that significantly reduced my cholesterol this year when combined with some other things; and it will be in Cholesterol Support XT.

 

[Madevilz]

Actually another thought on this anyway though is that if we do the formula that I want to - it would be well dosed and be 4 capsules per day - so if you wanted to go with a lower dosage based on personal preferences, you could actually just take 1 or 2 capsules per day and cater your dose to your individual preferences and then would have the ideal forms of everything and the bottle would just last you longer.

that is exactly what I would do, and if you do bring out a multi, I am certain the formula would be great!

 

[thescience]

i sounds pretty good. maybe i would get some. maybe some cobalt in there. i remember some articles about people "blood doping with cobalt"

 

[sns8778]

i sounds pretty good. maybe i would get some. maybe some cobalt in there. i remember some articles about people "blood doping with cobalt"

I probably wouldn't do that because Cobalt is a banned substance by many sports organizations, and I would never want to put anything in a multi-vitamin that could lead to someone failing a test. It's one of those things that 99.9% of people would just never think of to check a multi-vitamin against the banned substance list for their competitive organizations.

 

[sns8778]

that is exactly what I would do, and if you do bring out a multi, I am certain the formula would be great!

Thank you. I'm kind of an OCD perfectionist and if I couldn't do one that I felt was better than any other available, I just wouldn't do one.

The downside of the one I want to do is that it would be 4 capsules.

But the upside of that is that it would be 4 capsules based in it being a pretty potent multi-vitamin and I had actually considered doing a dual dosing panel showing the dosages at 2 caps and at 4 caps; that way people could pick the dosage that best suited their individual needs. And of course for someone that intentionally wanted to go very low dosing like what you said, you'd wind up with 120 caps as a 4 month supply for around 30 bucks which would be fantastic.

 

[thescience]

I probably wouldn't do that because Cobalt is a banned substance by many sports organizations, and I would never want to put anything in a multi-vitamin that could lead to someone failing a test. It's one of those things that 99.9% of people would just never think of to check a multi-vitamin against the banned substance list for their competitive organizations.

that would explain why it's so hard to purchase that

 

[Hyde]

I would definitely be interested in a product combining the handful of mineral and coenzymated b vitamins.

Like mentioned, 4 capsule serving can be a great product still for low dosers just looking to sprinkle 1-2 caps of quality ingredients in to help shore up any little deficiencies in an otherwise robust diet.

I prefer 4 capsules over 3 tablets - tablets often have funkier smells/tastes. My current magnesium tabs are quite foul, truthfully. Always gag a little, twice a day every day

 

[sns8778]

I would definitely be interested in a product combining the handful of mineral and coenzymated b vitamins.

Like mentioned, 4 capsule serving can be a great product still for low dosers just looking to sprinkle 1-2 caps of quality ingredients in to help shore up any little deficiencies in an otherwise robust diet.

I prefer 4 capsules over 3 tablets - tablets often have funkier smells/tastes. My current magnesium tabs are quite foul, truthfully. Always gag a little, twice a day every day

Thank you. I'm excited about this and really want to do it; I just need to gauge interest in it because its a significant investment because its a very large MOQ to do something like this.

I'm the same - I'd much rather take 4 capsules than 3 tablets. I can swallow capsules no problems but sometimes tablets are harder to swallow and then if they start to break apart when trying to swallow them, it can be rough haha

 

[jgraves31]

What about a powdered formula instead of, or offered in addition to, the capsules?

 

[ride1979]

I have a formula designed for a multi and have received pricing back on it. It's a great formula and would be an awesome product; but I'm just not sure about it on a couple levels.

I would love to hear everyone's feedback on this.

The things with multi-vitamins that makes them problematic and why you really don't see many great ones are:

• Everyone says they want a great product - but then they want it to be super cheap and that's just not realistic because the better forms of vitamins and minerals are much more expensive; and even if some of the add-in's aren't terribly expensive on their own, there can be so many inclusions that it can add up fast.
• Everyone says they want a great product - but then people complain about the amount of capsules per day they would have to take; and a well dosed one with the better forms of vitamins and minerals with a few good add in's, you're going to be looking at 3 massive tablets or 4 capsules.

The one that I have designed and priced out would in my opinion be the most comprehensive multi-vitamin/mineral supplement on the market. It would have pretty much all the advanced forms of the vitamins and minerals, but you would be looking at 4 capsules per day and around 29.99 per month.

I'm curious to hear everyone's thoughts on that.

Good morning Steve from Europe.
I am looking forward to for this multi.
4 capsules is not a problem for me If you assume I already use 4 daily for this purpose: one for Vitamin C, one for D+k2, one for magnesium and lastly for B-complex. So it would be reaaly helpfull to have all these in high conentration plus all the rest minerals and vitamins in a multi.
Price wise it will depend on concentration and the add ons I hope will be in for performance and recovery as tart cherry extract, senactiv or peakO2 hopefully.
Anyway can not wait and trust you it will be worth and will differentiate.

 

[Segansational]

I hear you on the pricing for a multi. When you can get one from a reputable company for $12-13, pricing at $30 seems steep. That said, Orange Triad is a very well known/rated multi (+ joint formula) on here and other forums and I think sells for something like $40ish? And no one seems to balk at that. Another example of 4-6 tablets if I recall. So I think it's certainly doable for you to produce one within similar cost/tablets. I'd purchase it - and assuming you're able to do similar volume discounts like you do with other multi packs (3-6 range), I could see buying a few bottles at a time.

 

[ELROCK]

I hear you on the pricing for a multi. When you can get one from a reputable company for $12-13, pricing at $30 seems steep. That said, Orange Triad is a very well known/rated multi (+ joint formula) on here and other forums and I think sells for something like $40ish? And no one seems to balk at that. Another example of 4-6 tablets if I recall. So I think it's certainly doable for you to produce one within similar cost/tablets. I'd purchase it - and assuming you're able to do similar volume discounts like you do with other multi packs (3-6 range), I could see buying a few bottles at a time.

Good points, but remember Orange Triad is a 45 day supply for around $35.

 

[Ziyo]

I hope you’re still going to make that Methylation product Steve…
That basically encompasses vitamin b complex

 

[sns8778]

What about a powdered formula instead of, or offered in addition to, the capsules?

If using the preferable forms of vitamins and minerals, I would honestly expect it to taste horrific.

It's doable if enough people would be interested, but I can tell you from my side, I would dread the flavor sample haha

 

[sns8778]

I hear you on the pricing for a multi. When you can get one from a reputable company for $12-13, pricing at $30 seems steep. That said, Orange Triad is a very well known/rated multi (+ joint formula) on here and other forums and I think sells for something like $40ish? And no one seems to balk at that. Another example of 4-6 tablets if I recall. So I think it's certainly doable for you to produce one within similar cost/tablets. I'd purchase it - and assuming you're able to do similar volume discounts like you do with other multi packs (3-6 range), I could see buying a few bottles at a time.

I'm going to be honest with you and tell you that there is not a multi-vitamin on the market that sells for 12 or 13 dollars that I would trust and even bother to take.

To use the ideal forms of vitamins and minerals, especially the Albion minerals, the formula that I have designed costs more than 13.00 to make and that's before testing fees, shipping, labels, etc.

I think that is a good example of part of the dilemma here - I would just soon not do one as do a cheap generic type me too multi; if I do one, I want to do one right and have it be significant and special - but to do that, its more expensive to make.

Orange Triad is a good example and those are pretty big tablets. It's not a bad product, but the formula that I would do would have better versions of many vitamins and minerals.

I think that dosage wise - for people that wanted a super potent multi, it would be a month supply; but then for people that wanted a still potent multi but not super potent, it would be a 2 month supply.

 

[sns8778]

Good points, but remember Orange Triad is a 45 day supply for around $35.

The downside of Orange Triad is that it doesn't have a lot of the better forms of vitamins and minerals that we would be using in this - and also, the tablets are pretty darn big.

For me, I would much rather swallow 4 capsules than 6 huge tablets.

The product I have in mind, you're be looking at around 30.00 for a month to 2 month supply depending on the dosage you wanted to use.

 

[sns8778]

I hope you’re still going to make that Methylation product Steve…
That basically encompasses vitamin b complex

Yes, I do plan on doing the methylation product.

The formula is done, pricing is done, and PO is in for it. We've been working on the label text and label design for it late last week. I'm still not 100% sure what I'm going to name it though. That has been the hardest part of that project.

 

[sns8778]

Good morning Steve from Europe.
I am looking forward to for this multi.
4 capsules is not a problem for me If you assume I already use 4 daily for this purpose: one for Vitamin C, one for D+k2, one for magnesium and lastly for B-complex. So it would be reaaly helpfull to have all these in high conentration plus all the rest minerals and vitamins in a multi.
Price wise it will depend on concentration and the add ons I hope will be in for performance and recovery as tart cherry extract, senactiv or peakO2 hopefully.
Anyway can not wait and trust you it will be worth and will differentiate.

Thank you. Good morning/evening to you too.

That's a great way to look at it and the way that I look at it myself. Right now, I'm taking Vitamin D, Vitamin C, Vitamin A, Vitamin E, Selenium, and several other things separately so 4 capsules for an inclusive source is actually a reduction in the number of capsules for me.

There will be some neat inclusions, but Tart Cherry wouldn't be one - bc of the dosage - it would add an extra capsule. But I just finalized a very, very comprehensive fruits, veggies type of product that will have Tart Cherry in it and its a product unlike anything else available bc it uses the ideal forms and dosages of a lot of things in that category.

PEAK02 wouldn't be a part of it because of the dosage. The minimum effective dosage for PEAK02 is 2 grams per day so that would be 3 capsules all to itself and its an expensive ingredient so it would turn it into too many capsules and too high of a price. We offer PEAK02 capsules as a single ingredient option so people could easily add it if they wanted to.

Thank you for the kind words and support. I hope that you'll be pleased with this when we release it.

 

[mikem1062]

We use PES Tru-Multi currently - costs are roughly similar, though 3 capsules rather than 4. For something you've formulated Steve - we'd definitely switch (though would prefer capsules over tablets).

 

[sns8778]

I don’t even know what I want out of a multi sometimes. I don’t like spending over $20 but I think that’s because any multi I buy I feel like I’m “sacrificing” something so I hate to pay a lot when I’m not fully satisfied.

The formula for this one is very comprehensive and cover a lot of bases. I think it would be a month supply for some people and a 2 month supply for others.

But because of the cost of the advanced forms and also some of the extra inclusions, it would be impossible to sell for 20.00. Even selling it for 30.00, it would be a very low margin item on our end.

 

[sns8778]

We use PES Tru-Multi currently - costs are roughly similar, though 3 capsules rather than 4. For something you've formulated Steve - we'd definitely switch (though would prefer capsules over tablets).

Thank you.

I just looked at theirs and no offense to PES because I generally like some of their things, but the formula that I have for this would be a lot more complete than theirs. I see the direction they're wanting to go with theirs, which is a good business move bc it keeps their costs down, but for me, if I do one then I'm wanting to go all out on the formula.

I'm the same - I'd much prefer capsules over tablets.

 

[sns8778]

Ya I meant more like I’d be annoyed if some of these brands charged $30 because none of them would seem worth it, not that I wouldn’t see the value in a $30 if the formula was good.

I think $30-35 would make sense, depending on what is included.

I’d also probably consider half dosing if it’s truly loaded, but that’s more a personal thing than what I think others may want to do.

My thought on the way I did the dosages is that companies like NOW Foods at one time had their Vit-Min Caps, Vit-Min 100, and Vit-Min 75 - and really had them because different people wanted different dosages. These were good multi's for what they were - they weren't designed to be super special with all the Albion forms or anything.

So my thinking was that if I did one that was super loaded at 4 capsules, people could adjust their dosage based on their individual needs.

I need to figure out a name for the product. If anyone has any suggestions, I'm all ears. This is one of those categories where almost every possible name seems taken.

 

[Hyde]

Vitamineral XT

 

[sns8778]

I had thought about Multi XT.

I really wanted a fancier cool name for it, but everything fancy and cool I think of is taken.

 

[NegativeMass]

I haven't followed this entire thread so maybe these have already been mentioned, but I would love SNS ubiquinol and fish oil.

 

[sns8778]

I haven't followed this entire thread so maybe these have already been mentioned, but I would love SNS ubiquinol and fish oil.

Thank you. I had thought about both of those, but the market is so saturated with them is why we've never done them.

I had actually thought about trying to do a high potency Algal oil for people like myself that hate fish oil bc it bothers my stomach and I hate the taste of it.

 

[NegativeMass]

Thank you. I had thought about both of those, but the market is so saturated with them is why we've never done them.

I had actually thought about trying to do a high potency Algal oil for people like myself that hate fish oil bc it bothers my stomach and I hate the taste of it.

Gotcha. If you made them I would buy them but I get it.

 

[sns8778]

Gotcha. If you made them I would buy them but I get it.

Thank you. I really appreciate that.

Is there any certain dosage of Ubiquinol that you would like to see us do? I'm open to the idea.

If we did a fish oil, I had thought about trying to do a very high potency one in terms of EPA/DHA content.