Donald Trump running for president

[kisaj]

Would this be out of the fire and into the pan?

 

[manifesto]

Ah they caught the hyped up hoax. Their cocktail of hydrochloroquine and injected disinfectant will get them right in no time.

Trump never said it was a hoax...u guys gonna shut down NZ because the US president caught it....? lol

 

[ax1]

More than likely he will experience what 99% of everyone that catches it does...absolutely nothing.

Im not sure that 99% applies to obese senior citizens.

 

[dixonk]

Im not sure that 99% applies to obese senior citizens.

From what I have seen it applies to everyone. He isn’t currently dying from any other ailment so he will be fine. China virus is just finishing off the people with one foot in the grave already.

 

[jswain34]

From what I have seen it applies to everyone. He isn’t currently dying from any other ailment so he will be fine. China virus is just finishing off the people with one foot in the grave already.

So youve seen somewhere illustrating identical risk for a healthy 18 yr old and obese 75 year old?

 

[DaveGabe24]

So youve seen somewhere illustrating identical risk for a healthy 18 yr old and obese 75 year old?

Like this one? lol

Mortality Risk of COVID-19 - Statistics and Research

We update the country-by-country data – shown in the interactive visualizations – daily. Further below you find a longer text on how to interpret the various metrics; the static visualizations in that section and the text were written in the first half of 2020 and have not been updated since.

ourworldindata.org

 

[DaveGabe24]

Or maybe this one?

 

[dixonk]

So youve seen somewhere illustrating identical risk for a healthy 18 yr old and obese 75 year old?

Who is seeing concrete evidence of anything about this virus? Other than the fact that the overwhelming majority don’t even know they have it. In an hour they will learn they were wrong about something and come up with some other talking point.

Screw it. Let’s just rip the damn bandaid off and get it over with. Take the masks off and get this party started. I’m sick of hearing about it.

 

[jswain34]

Who is seeing concrete evidence of anything about this virus? Other than the fact that the overwhelming majority don’t even know they have it. In an hour they will learn they were wrong about something and come up with some other talking point.

Screw it. Let’s just rip the damn bandaid off and get it over with. Take the masks off and get this party started. I’m sick of hearing about it.

While I understand what youre saying about the fact that it seems like the more we think we know the more we find out we dont know, the one thing i believe we’re pretty damn sure of is that the infectivity, risk of severe infection, and thus risk of death all increase with age and degree of comorbidities.

 

[dixonk]

the one thing i believe we’re pretty damn sure of is that the infectivity, risk of severe infection, and thus risk of death all increase with age and degree of comorbidities.

That can be said for any illness though. What makes this one so special? An old unhealthy person could die from a common cold. Hell if you are already half dead a sore throat could probably kill you.

 

[ax1]

That can be said for any illness though. What makes this one so special? An old unhealthy person could die from a common cold. Hell if you are already half dead a sore throat could probably kill you.

I think the difference is primarily that it was tweaked in a CCP military lab and designed to be super contagious. It also appears to target the respiratory system more so than the flu.

The CCP Military had already written books on weaponizing coronavirus, Im confident even if it wasnt man manipulated, it still came from that lab as a virus of interest.

Hey if you want to go to a CCP-Virus party Im all in, but Im showing up on Zoom.

 

[DaveGabe24]

I think the difference is primarily that it was tweaked in a CCP military lab and designed to be super contagious. It also appears to target the respiratory system more so than the flu.

The CCP Military had already written books on weaponizing coronavirus, Im confident even if it wasnt man manipulated, it still came from that lab as a virus of interest.

Hey if you want to go to a CCP-Virus party Im all in, but Im showing up on Zoom.

Not arguing that they're weaponizinzg viruses or anything, but we can safely say this virus was not man-made or tweaked. Just wanted to add it from someone who works directly in the synbio world with DARPA, antibody optimization platforms, etc...cant say much else due to NDA's but yeah, there's plenty of quality evidence that this was not a chinese weapon. This was just an unfortunate effect of wet markets and the inevitable encroachment of animal territories that our immune systems are not prepared for.

 

[ax1]

Not arguing that they're weaponizinzg viruses or anything, but we can safely say this virus was not man-made or tweaked. Just wanted to add it from someone who works directly in the synbio world with DARPA, antibody optimization platforms, etc...cant say much else due to NDA's but yeah, there's plenty of quality evidence that this was not a chinese weapon. This was just an unfortunate effect of wet markets and the inevitable encroachment of animal territories that our immune systems are not prepared for.

I 100% dont buy the wet market conspiracy theory....there is no evidence of that and the entire crime scene was cleaned up. Its red alarm cover up in my books. The lab was just a few miles away from there, I was talking about that lab before even Dump was talking about it, lol.

I do buy it may not have been tweaked and originally from nature. I also alarming they always argue it didnt come from the lab because it is proven natural.

Just because it was natural doesnt not mean it didnt come from a lab. I dunno why they keep telling people "its natural so it didnt come from a lab" when in fact that absolutely does not discount it didnt come from a lab. It simply means it originally did come from nature and thats that.

 

[ax1]

Just want to add I do not believe the CCP had anything to gain from using this as a weapon, I believe it escaped the lab by accident.

I do believe after it got out, in they clearly let it out to the rest of the world. Its very clear. They shut down all domestic travel out of Wuhan but kept international open.

My theory is they decided to bring the world down with them.

 

[DaveGabe24]

Edit::: Just read your follow-up. Hard for me to dispute the speculations of what was in China's head so I'll just delete my questions for now!

Don't expect anyone to read through all this but for those of you interested, here's some fun reads on this virus specifically.

The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2 - Nature Medicine

www.nature.com

Evolutionary origins of the SARS-CoV-2 sarbecovirus lineage responsible for the COVID-19 pandemic - Nature Microbiology

In this manuscript, the authors address evolutionary questions on the emergence of SARS-CoV-2. They find that SARS-CoV-2 is not a recombinant of any sarbecoviruses detected to date, and that the bat and pangolin sequences most closely related to SARS-CoV-2 probably diverged several decades ago...

www.nature.com

 

[ax1]

Ok so you agree it has a natural origin (which we've known for a while, I've personally seen the NGS data from some of the original positive cases)....but think they may have assembled the synthetic components within that lab?

So the conspiracy theory would be that they chose a mild flu, nothing as viral or fatal as ebola or other well known viruses, and thought this would be the ideal weapon? I'm trying to follow here as I'm curious how these mental gymnastics play out lol

Don't expect anyone to read through all this but for those of you interested, here's some fun reads on this virus specifically.

The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2 - Nature Medicine

www.nature.com

Evolutionary origins of the SARS-CoV-2 sarbecovirus lineage responsible for the COVID-19 pandemic - Nature Microbiology

In this manuscript, the authors address evolutionary questions on the emergence of SARS-CoV-2. They find that SARS-CoV-2 is not a recombinant of any sarbecoviruses detected to date, and that the bat and pangolin sequences most closely related to SARS-CoV-2 probably diverged several decades ago...

www.nature.com

They research coronovirusus and have a lab. All Im saying is at minimal they have them in a lab not far from the wet market. They do in fact do military research on viruses. In regards to this coming out of the public whether it was man made or not was irrelevant. Man isolated the viruses and kept them in a lab for research and it came out by accident. This is the most likely scenario over the wet market theory.

The discussion on these experiments are an important topic of discussion though, its a possibility although hard to prove. Its not just man made tweaking, but maybe they found a way to mutate them and make them stronger after several generations naturally in their own way but more of man influenced rather than man made or man tweaked if that makes sense.

 

[dixonk]

Just want to add I do not believe the CCP had anything to gain from using this as a weapon, I believe it escaped the lab by accident.

I do believe after it got out, in they clearly let it out to the rest of the world. Its very clear. They shut down all domestic travel out of Wuhan but kept international open.

My theory is they decided to bring the world down with them.

They absolutely had everything to gain. Pre virus stock market was record high. Land values were high. Economies were booming. Post virus stocks were cheap, land was cheap, and it was a good opportunity with people with capital to buy up a bunch of cheap stuff knowing that it will eventually return back to pre virus levels again after everyone figures out it’s not as bad as they thought.

I am in the camp that believes it was weaponized by China. My theory is that it was with the intention of moving in and scooping up the fire sales that occurred when economies were collapsing.

 

[ax1]

They absolutely had everything to gain. Pre virus stock market was record high. Land values were high. Economies were booming. Post virus stocks were cheap, land was cheap, and it was a good opportunity with people with capital to buy up a bunch of cheap stuff knowing that it will eventually return back to pre virus levels again after everyone figures out it’s not as bad as they thought.

I am in the camp that believes it was weaponized by China. My theory is that it was with the intention of moving in and scooping up the fire sales that occurred when economies were collapsing.

I’m almost there with your and the intent motive...I’m just stuck at the initial aftermath and keeping international flights open.

I’m not so sure the CCP benefited on this outside of fully taking over the Hong King movement.

Being that you admit it was a man made weapon, can you now also admit you would rather take your chances with a common cold or flu rather than the CCP-Virus?

Not saying it’s the plague but I never want to get it.

 

[jswain34]

That can be said for any illness though. What makes this one so special? An old unhealthy person could die from a common cold. Hell if you are already half dead a sore throat could probably kill you.

Lol. What? We werent talking about that. We were talking about you saying he has a 99% chance at survival regardless of his age and comorbidities. We weren’t talking about any other diseases.

Nothing you said was incorrect at all. But it isnt what we were talking about.

 

[dixonk]

I’m almost there with your and the intent motive...I’m just stuck at the initial aftermath and keeping international flights open.

Being that you admit it was a man made weapon, can you now also admit you would rather take your chances with a common cold or flu rather than the CCP-Virus?

Not saying it’s the plague but I never want to get it.

The end goal wasn’t to destroy the world or permanently crush economies. The goal was to cause a temporary panic just long enough to benefit from the fire sale. Just enough death to make people afraid but not killing off the people needed to sustain an economy afterwards. As for fear of the virus, I’m not there. I have been risking life and limb for over 20 years now. I have been at peace with my demise for quite some time. I see no evidence that this virus poses any threat to me or my family. Hell I probably already had it.

 

[dixonk]

Lol. What? We werent talking about that. We were talking about you saying he has a 99% chance at survival regardless of his age and comorbidities. We weren’t talking about any other diseases.

Nothing you said was incorrect at all. But it isnt what we were talking about.

Poor articulation skills on my part I guess. Hell I am not even sure what we were talking about. I got distracted with my own tin foil hat theories on this virus.

 

[dixonk]

Tucker dropping bombs:

 

[ax1]

Tucker dropping bombs:

I’ll watch that in a bit.

I’m not a Fox guy but for some reason I always thought Tucker had something.

I remember years ago Alex Jones invited him in studio in Austin to confront him on 9/11 and watching Tucker’s jaw drop in silence when he was showing him building 7 controlled demolition videos.

 

[dixonk]

I’ll watch that in a bit.

I’m not a Fox guy but for some reason I always thought Tucker had something.

I remember years ago Alex Jones invited him in studio in Austin to confront him on 9/11 and watching Tucker’s jaw drop in silence when he was showing him building 7 controlled demolition videos.

Tucker is the only show on cable news I will watch. He doesn’t pull anyone any slack. Calls it like he sees it and is not afraid of creating controversy. Look how many times advertisers have been called to pull ads over something that offended someone. Yet he has never backed down or caved in to the mob.

 

[BOSSMAN]

Tucker is the only show on cable news I will watch. He doesn’t pull anyone any slack. Calls it like he sees it and is not afraid of creating controversy. Look how many times advertisers have been called to pull ads over something that offended someone. Yet he has never backed down or caved in to the mob.

TUCKER=

 

[dixonk]

 

[ax1]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1312078164882001922

 

[dixonk]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1312078164882001922

Moving to Switzerland - How to Immigrate to Switzerland?

visaguide.world

 

[ax1]

Moving to Switzerland - How to Immigrate to Switzerland?

visaguide.world

LOL we might have too!

He campaign slogan has been turn America into a Giant Switzerland. Minus all the socialism crap, just that its a better direction when it comes to armed citizenry and foreign entanglements that what we have here today.

 

[dixonk]

LOL we might have too!

He campaign slogan has been turn America into a Giant Switzerland. Minus all the socialism crap, just that its a better direction when it comes to armed citizenry and foreign entanglements that what we have here today.

I’m fine here. Just give me my guns and leave them alone and leave me alone. I have no desire to be like other countries.

 

[ax1]

I’m fine here. Just give me my guns and leave them alone and leave me alone. I have no desire to be like other countries.

Your too late, we already have been mostly taken over by the ideals of other countries.

Thats why Im on the restoration movement.

 

[dixonk]

Your too late, we already have been mostly taken over by the ideals of other countries.

Thats why Im on the restoration movement.

I’m for the give me my guns back and leave them alone, then press pause and do nothing else forever, and leave me alone movement.

 

[kisaj]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1312078164882001922

Having lived in Zurich for about 8 months, I can say without hesitation that it is like paradise there. I've never seen so much respect for one another, the environment, the cleanliness of the city and roads, and general order. Plus the chicks are super hot.

 

[ax1]

Having lived in Zurich for about 8 months, I can say without hesitation that it is like paradise there. I've never seen so much respect for one another, the environment, the cleanliness of the city and roads, and general order. Plus the chicks are super hot.

What were you doing there, job?

If thats too personal question for online, dont worry all respects.

 

[kisaj]

What were you doing there, job?

If thats too personal question for online, dont worry all respects.

Yeah, I was in my mid-20s in 2000/2001 working as an IT consultant and UBS needed coverage over the summer holiday period, and my company asked if anyone wanted to go- I obviously jumped immediately. I quickly met a group of Canadians that relocated there and we would travel to different cities on the weekends and hit all the pubs and local spots. My GF flew out and we traveled to Italy and Germany a couple of times as well.

I just remember going to an electronic festival called the Love Festival and there were approximately 1 million people in Zurich from all over and it was basically a weekend long party. Come Monday morning everything was absolutely pristine, not a piece of trash anywhere, no reported injuries or arrests, it was crazy.

I ended up extending my stay by 5 months and snowboarded the Alps over the winter.

 

[thebigt]

I’m for the give me my guns back and leave them alone, then press pause and do nothing else forever, and leave me alone movement.

i've been looking into a kit for making my own ammo---any suggestions?

 

[thebigt]

Having lived in Zurich for about 8 months, I can say without hesitation that it is like paradise there. I've never seen so much respect for one another, the environment, the cleanliness of the city and roads, and general order. Plus the chicks are super hot.

that is exactly what california was like in the early 80's, lol....san diego's mission beach was a wet dream!!!

 

[dixonk]

i've been looking into a kit for making my own ammo---any suggestions?

I use a Dillon 650XL. The newer version is the 750. I have been happy with it. I can pump out 1000 rounds in about 3 hours usually, case checked and all. For dies I would go with Redding and get the precision adjustable carbide dies. What ammo you trying to make? Primers are hard to get right now.

 

[thebigt]

damn, my internet provider is spectrum and my laptop and wi-fi are horrible today...i haven't had this slow of internet since the old dial-up days...anyone else having issues?

 

[dixonk]

damn, my internet provider is spectrum and my laptop and wi-fi are horrible today...i haven't had this slow of internet since the old dial-up days...anyone else having issues?

Lol. Remember the AOL floppy disks that came in the mail?

 

[dixonk]

Finding 22LR is a freaking pain where I live. Was lucky when I picked up my Ruger Rifle with the last bottle on the shelf but its out of stock everywhere. As soon as they hit the shelves they are gone.

On another note, I was going to pay a premium to buy online and I found out I can only have it shipped to a FFL dealer in NY, WTF??????

And you say you want to be left alone as things are? LOL

I said give me back my guns and leave me alone. ALL gun laws are infringements. No exceptions. After they do that they can hit pause and leave everything alone. Anyone looking for the US to be like Europe, pack your bags and beat your feet.

I am able to ship ammo straight to my house in unlimited quantities. But I live in a free state that isn’t trying to model themselves after Venezuela.

 

[thebigt]

Lol. Remember the AOL floppy disks that came in the mail?

unfortunately!!!...been hearing about internet issues a lot lately, but this is 1st time i been hit this hard....done for the day!!!!

 

[dixonk]

unfortunately!!!...been hearing about internet issues a lot lately, but this is 1st time i been hit this hard....done for the day!!!!

I have ATT 1gb fiber and it has been phenomenal. Have had it for 4 years now. Only time I ever had an outage is when they built the neighbors house.

 

[HIT4ME]

Well looks like we got another caravan of 2000 migrants headed to our border. Why would they want to come to such a racist and evil country? I can’t understand it.

Ummm, I think it may have something to do with Pelosi sliding money into the coronavirus stimulus proposal for ILLEGAL aliens.

She will go on vacation while Americans need help, but won't help those people unless immigrants lacking social security numbers get helped too. What a complete POS she is.

 

[HIT4ME]

Or maybe this one?

This to me shows just how wrong the "it kills old people" comments are.

For the 35 years from 65-100 the average death rate is around 6-7%. For the 35 years from 20-55 it is about 3.7%. But, as Dixon points out, don't people over 65 presumably die at more than twice the rate of someone 20-55? It looks to me like people between 20-55 actually have a higher relative risk of death than older people based on that data...since they usually don't die at very high rates to begin with and 3.7% loss of that age group would be a huge loss that normally does not occur.

Who is seeing concrete evidence of anything about this virus? Other than the fact that the overwhelming majority don’t even know they have it. In an hour they will learn they were wrong about something and come up with some other talking point.

Screw it. Let’s just rip the damn bandaid off and get it over with. Take the masks off and get this party started. I’m sick of hearing about it.

Concrete evidence is that we have just under 35M cases that have been diagnosed and just over 1M deaths.

I know you want to say they were all going to die anyway, but you and I are going to die anyway too. But that only looks at death as a consequence. Honestly I will normally try to avoid getting sick even with a normal cold...and have typically been fairly successful. I take vitamins to avoid it, I don't want to be sick, it sucks. But with this, there are potential long term consequences - including neurological and cardiovascular damage that could be lifelong.

That can be said for any illness though. What makes this one so special? An old unhealthy person could die from a common cold. Hell if you are already half dead a sore throat could probably kill you.

This is a belief you hold in spite of evidence, not because of it. I get your reasoning - but we are talking about a highly infectious disease where maybe 50% of the infected people barely notice anything or just have typical cold symptoms. That is a double edged sword - half of the sick (given all the rude people who only care about themsleves) will be out interacting with others either because they don't know they have it or because they are lucky to have mild symptoms and don't care about other human beings and just go out anyway. Should it be legislated? Probably not. But should people have more concern for others and be more polite and careful? Yup. People should be allowed to do what they want, up until they impede on someone else's rights.

They absolutely had everything to gain. Pre virus stock market was record high. Land values were high. Economies were booming. Post virus stocks were cheap, land was cheap, and it was a good opportunity with people with capital to buy up a bunch of cheap stuff knowing that it will eventually return back to pre virus levels again after everyone figures out it’s not as bad as they thought.

I am in the camp that believes it was weaponized by China. My theory is that it was with the intention of moving in and scooping up the fire sales that occurred when economies were collapsing.

People quickly forget that Trump has been having a trade war with China and putting the hurt on them. That is what is in my mind. But the science seems to make it unlikely they are advanced enough to hide all of the markers you would look for in an engineered virus.

 

[Jiigzz]

This to me shows just how wrong the "it kills old people" comments are.

For the 35 years from 65-100 the average death rate is around 6-7%. For the 35 years from 20-55 it is about 3.7%. But, as Dixon points out, don't people over 65 presumably die at more than twice the rate of someone 20-55? It looks to me like people between 20-55 actually have a higher relative risk of death than older people based on that data...since they usually don't die at very high rates to begin with and 3.7% loss of that age group would be a huge loss that normally does not occur.



Concrete evidence is that we have just under 35M cases that have been diagnosed and just over 1M deaths.

I know you want to say they were all going to die anyway, but you and I are going to die anyway too. But that only looks at death as a consequence. Honestly I will normally try to avoid getting sick even with a normal cold...and have typically been fairly successful. I take vitamins to avoid it, I don't want to be sick, it sucks. But with this, there are potential long term consequences - including neurological and cardiovascular damage that could be lifelong.



This is a belief you hold in spite of evidence, not because of it. I get your reasoning - but we are talking about a highly infectious disease where maybe 50% of the infected people barely notice anything or just have typical cold symptoms. That is a double edged sword - half of the sick (given all the rude people who only care about themsleves) will be out interacting with others either because they don't know they have it or because they are lucky to have mild symptoms and don't care about other human beings and just go out anyway. Should it be legislated? Probably not. But should people have more concern for others and be more polite and careful? Yup. People should be allowed to do what they want, up until they impede on someone else's rights.



People quickly forget that Trump has been having a trade war with China and putting the hurt on them. That is what is in my mind. But the science seems to make it unlikely they are advanced enough to hide all of the markers you would look for in an engineered virus.

These are good points.

One thing I don't understand is why the US makes it all about them. Most countries, even allies of China, and China itself have been hurt by the virus. Somehow though the US says "it's just a ploy to undermine the US" or that "it was engineered to hurt the US". Did we just forget about every other country with infections?

A virus should not be politicised. It is, but it shouldnt be.

 

[Jiigzz]

Also for a virus so mild it is barely worthwhile mentioning, isnt it odd that the President needs to go to a hospital to maximize his chances of pulling through?

I mean, i guess they do this anytime a President gets the Flu as well, right?

 

[ax1]

These are good points.

One thing I don't understand is why the US makes it all about them. Most countries, even allies of China, and China itself have been hurt by the virus. Somehow though the US says "it's just a ploy to undermine the US" or that "it was engineered to hurt the US". Did we just forget about every other country with infections?

A virus should not be politicised. It is, but it shouldnt be.

It didnt need to be an engineered virus for it be leaked out either intentionally or accidentally. They study coronavirus there, to not consider a coronavirus lab that is just miles away from this meat market is plain and simple silly, and there is absolutely no evidence concrete it came from the meat market anyways.

Most likely situation it leaked out accidentally but then intentionally around the world. Thinking for myself the evidence is all there for that.

I dont know why every time a lab is mentioned people get stuck on the "engineered" theory, its irrelevant.

 

[ax1]

A virus should not be politicised. It is, but it shouldnt be.

It was a political fuqfest from the very beginning of its cover ups in China. Governments intervene with political solutions. People dont trust government, they are pathetic corrupt low lives. What do you expect?

 

[ax1]

Also for a virus so mild it is barely worthwhile mentioning, isnt it odd that the President needs to go to a hospital to maximize his chances of pulling through?

I mean, i guess they do this anytime a President gets the Flu as well, right?

They have a pretty high tech medical facility inside the white house.