jswain34
Well-known member
So youve seen somewhere illustrating identical risk for a healthy 18 yr old and obese 75 year old?
Donald Trump running for president
- Thread starter LiftWithDonuts
- Start date
So youve seen somewhere illustrating identical risk for a healthy 18 yr old and obese 75 year old?
DaveGabe24
Well-known member
DaveGabe24
Well-known member
Or maybe this one?
Invalid Link Removed
Invalid Link Removed
dixonk
Well-known member
Who is seeing concrete evidence of anything about this virus? Other than the fact that the overwhelming majority don’t even know they have it. In an hour they will learn they were wrong about something and come up with some other talking point.
Screw it. Let’s just rip the damn bandaid off and get it over with. Take the masks off and get this party started. I’m sick of hearing about it.
jswain34
Well-known member
While I understand what youre saying about the fact that it seems like the more we think we know the more we find out we dont know, the one thing i believe we’re pretty damn sure of is that the infectivity, risk of severe infection, and thus risk of death all increase with age and degree of comorbidities.
dixonk
Well-known member
That can be said for any illness though. What makes this one so special? An old unhealthy person could die from a common cold. Hell if you are already half dead a sore throat could probably kill you.
ax1
Legend
I think the difference is primarily that it was tweaked in a CCP military lab and designed to be super contagious. It also appears to target the respiratory system more so than the flu.
The CCP Military had already written books on weaponizing coronavirus, Im confident even if it wasnt man manipulated, it still came from that lab as a virus of interest.
Hey if you want to go to a CCP-Virus party Im all in, but Im showing up on Zoom.
DaveGabe24
Well-known member
Not arguing that they're weaponizinzg viruses or anything, but we can safely say this virus was not man-made or tweaked. Just wanted to add it from someone who works directly in the synbio world with DARPA, antibody optimization platforms, etc...cant say much else due to NDA's but yeah, there's plenty of quality evidence that this was not a chinese weapon. This was just an unfortunate effect of wet markets and the inevitable encroachment of animal territories that our immune systems are not prepared for.
ax1
Legend
I 100% dont buy the wet market conspiracy theory....there is no evidence of that and the entire crime scene was cleaned up. Its red alarm cover up in my books. The lab was just a few miles away from there, I was talking about that lab before even Dump was talking about it, lol.
I do buy it may not have been tweaked and originally from nature. I also alarming they always argue it didnt come from the lab because it is proven natural.
Just because it was natural doesnt not mean it didnt come from a lab. I dunno why they keep telling people "its natural so it didnt come from a lab" when in fact that absolutely does not discount it didnt come from a lab. It simply means it originally did come from nature and thats that.
ax1
Legend
Just want to add I do not believe the CCP had anything to gain from using this as a weapon, I believe it escaped the lab by accident.
I do believe after it got out, in they clearly let it out to the rest of the world. Its very clear. They shut down all domestic travel out of Wuhan but kept international open.
My theory is they decided to bring the world down with them.
I do believe after it got out, in they clearly let it out to the rest of the world. Its very clear. They shut down all domestic travel out of Wuhan but kept international open.
My theory is they decided to bring the world down with them.
DaveGabe24
Well-known member
Edit::: Just read your follow-up. Hard for me to dispute the speculations of what was in China's head so I'll just delete my questions for now!
Don't expect anyone to read through all this but for those of you interested, here's some fun reads on this virus specifically.
Invalid Link Removed
Invalid Link Removed
Don't expect anyone to read through all this but for those of you interested, here's some fun reads on this virus specifically.
Invalid Link Removed
Invalid Link Removed
ax1
Legend
They research coronovirusus and have a lab. All Im saying is at minimal they have them in a lab not far from the wet market. They do in fact do military research on viruses. In regards to this coming out of the public whether it was man made or not was irrelevant. Man isolated the viruses and kept them in a lab for research and it came out by accident. This is the most likely scenario over the wet market theory.
The discussion on these experiments are an important topic of discussion though, its a possibility although hard to prove. Its not just man made tweaking, but maybe they found a way to mutate them and make them stronger after several generations naturally in their own way but more of man influenced rather than man made or man tweaked if that makes sense.
dixonk
Well-known member
They absolutely had everything to gain. Pre virus stock market was record high. Land values were high. Economies were booming. Post virus stocks were cheap, land was cheap, and it was a good opportunity with people with capital to buy up a bunch of cheap stuff knowing that it will eventually return back to pre virus levels again after everyone figures out it’s not as bad as they thought.
I am in the camp that believes it was weaponized by China. My theory is that it was with the intention of moving in and scooping up the fire sales that occurred when economies were collapsing.
ax1
Legend
I’m almost there with your and the intent motive...I’m just stuck at the initial aftermath and keeping international flights open.
I’m not so sure the CCP benefited on this outside of fully taking over the Hong King movement.
Being that you admit it was a man made weapon, can you now also admit you would rather take your chances with a common cold or flu rather than the CCP-Virus?
Not saying it’s the plague but I never want to get it.
jswain34
Well-known member
Lol. What? We werent talking about that. We were talking about you saying he has a 99% chance at survival regardless of his age and comorbidities. We weren’t talking about any other diseases.
Nothing you said was incorrect at all. But it isnt what we were talking about.
dixonk
Well-known member
The end goal wasn’t to destroy the world or permanently crush economies. The goal was to cause a temporary panic just long enough to benefit from the fire sale. Just enough death to make people afraid but not killing off the people needed to sustain an economy afterwards. As for fear of the virus, I’m not there. I have been risking life and limb for over 20 years now. I have been at peace with my demise for quite some time. I see no evidence that this virus poses any threat to me or my family. Hell I probably already had it.
dixonk
Well-known member
Poor articulation skills on my part I guess. Hell I am not even sure what we were talking about. I got distracted with my own tin foil hat theories on this virus.
ax1
Legend
I’ll watch that in a bit.
I’m not a Fox guy but for some reason I always thought Tucker had something.
I remember years ago Alex Jones invited him in studio in Austin to confront him on 9/11 and watching Tucker’s jaw drop in silence when he was showing him building 7 controlled demolition videos.
dixonk
Well-known member
Tucker is the only show on cable news I will watch. He doesn’t pull anyone any slack. Calls it like he sees it and is not afraid of creating controversy. Look how many times advertisers have been called to pull ads over something that offended someone. Yet he has never backed down or caved in to the mob.
BOSSMAN
Well-known member
ax1
Legend
LOL we might have too!
He campaign slogan has been turn America into a Giant Switzerland. Minus all the socialism crap, just that its a better direction when it comes to armed citizenry and foreign entanglements that what we have here today.
ax1
Legend
Your too late, we already have been mostly taken over by the ideals of other countries.
Thats why Im on the restoration movement.
ax1
Legend
What were you doing there, job?
If thats too personal question for online, dont worry all respects.
kisaj
Legend
Yeah, I was in my mid-20s in 2000/2001 working as an IT consultant and UBS needed coverage over the summer holiday period, and my company asked if anyone wanted to go- I obviously jumped immediately. I quickly met a group of Canadians that relocated there and we would travel to different cities on the weekends and hit all the pubs and local spots. My GF flew out and we traveled to Italy and Germany a couple of times as well.
I just remember going to an electronic festival called the Love Festival and there were approximately 1 million people in Zurich from all over and it was basically a weekend long party. Come Monday morning everything was absolutely pristine, not a piece of trash anywhere, no reported injuries or arrests, it was crazy.
I ended up extending my stay by 5 months and snowboarded the Alps over the winter.
thebigt
Legend
i've been looking into a kit for making my own ammo---any suggestions?I’m for the give me my guns back and leave them alone, then press pause and do nothing else forever, and leave me alone movement.
thebigt
Legend
that is exactly what california was like in the early 80's, lol....san diego's mission beach was a wet dream!!!
dixonk
Well-known member
I use a Dillon 650XL. The newer version is the 750. I have been happy with it. I can pump out 1000 rounds in about 3 hours usually, case checked and all. For dies I would go with Redding and get the precision adjustable carbide dies. What ammo you trying to make? Primers are hard to get right now.
dixonk
Well-known member
Lol. Remember the AOL floppy disks that came in the mail?
dixonk
Well-known member
I said give me back my guns and leave me alone. ALL gun laws are infringements. No exceptions. After they do that they can hit pause and leave everything alone. Anyone looking for the US to be like Europe, pack your bags and beat your feet.
I am able to ship ammo straight to my house in unlimited quantities. But I live in a free state that isn’t trying to model themselves after Venezuela.
thebigt
Legend
unfortunately!!!...been hearing about internet issues a lot lately, but this is 1st time i been hit this hard....done for the day!!!!
dixonk
Well-known member
I have ATT 1gb fiber and it has been phenomenal. Have had it for 4 years now. Only time I ever had an outage is when they built the neighbors house.
HIT4ME
Well-known member
Ummm, I think it may have something to do with Pelosi sliding money into the coronavirus stimulus proposal for ILLEGAL aliens.
She will go on vacation while Americans need help, but won't help those people unless immigrants lacking social security numbers get helped too. What a complete POS she is.
HIT4ME
Well-known member
This to me shows just how wrong the "it kills old people" comments are.
For the 35 years from 65-100 the average death rate is around 6-7%. For the 35 years from 20-55 it is about 3.7%. But, as Dixon points out, don't people over 65 presumably die at more than twice the rate of someone 20-55? It looks to me like people between 20-55 actually have a higher relative risk of death than older people based on that data...since they usually don't die at very high rates to begin with and 3.7% loss of that age group would be a huge loss that normally does not occur.
Concrete evidence is that we have just under 35M cases that have been diagnosed and just over 1M deaths.
I know you want to say they were all going to die anyway, but you and I are going to die anyway too. But that only looks at death as a consequence. Honestly I will normally try to avoid getting sick even with a normal cold...and have typically been fairly successful. I take vitamins to avoid it, I don't want to be sick, it sucks. But with this, there are potential long term consequences - including neurological and cardiovascular damage that could be lifelong.
This is a belief you hold in spite of evidence, not because of it. I get your reasoning - but we are talking about a highly infectious disease where maybe 50% of the infected people barely notice anything or just have typical cold symptoms. That is a double edged sword - half of the sick (given all the rude people who only care about themsleves) will be out interacting with others either because they don't know they have it or because they are lucky to have mild symptoms and don't care about other human beings and just go out anyway. Should it be legislated? Probably not. But should people have more concern for others and be more polite and careful? Yup. People should be allowed to do what they want, up until they impede on someone else's rights.
People quickly forget that Trump has been having a trade war with China and putting the hurt on them. That is what is in my mind. But the science seems to make it unlikely they are advanced enough to hide all of the markers you would look for in an engineered virus.
Jiigzz
Legend
These are good points.
One thing I don't understand is why the US makes it all about them. Most countries, even allies of China, and China itself have been hurt by the virus. Somehow though the US says "it's just a ploy to undermine the US" or that "it was engineered to hurt the US". Did we just forget about every other country with infections?
A virus should not be politicised. It is, but it shouldnt be.
ax1
Legend
It didnt need to be an engineered virus for it be leaked out either intentionally or accidentally. They study coronavirus there, to not consider a coronavirus lab that is just miles away from this meat market is plain and simple silly, and there is absolutely no evidence concrete it came from the meat market anyways.
Most likely situation it leaked out accidentally but then intentionally around the world. Thinking for myself the evidence is all there for that.
I dont know why every time a lab is mentioned people get stuck on the "engineered" theory, its irrelevant.
ax1
Legend
It was a political fuqfest from the very beginning of its cover ups in China. Governments intervene with political solutions. People dont trust government, they are pathetic corrupt low lives. What do you expect?
ax1
Legend
They have a pretty high tech medical facility inside the white house.
ax1
Legend
This is something of a red flag here I discover on my own.
China has only had some 100 flu deaths a year out of half a million globally which I think is ridiculous.
On globaltimes which is the main CCP official news source, on January they posted an article on the influenza statistics suggesting (back in 9/2019) they should up there annual influenza deaths from 100 up to 80,000!!!!!
So all the sudden after all these years they want people to know 10s of thousands are dropping dead from the flu?
The statistical methods used by the Chinese CDC should be revised, as deaths from pneumonia caused by the flu, for example, are not counted, the observer said.
Observers called for an improved statistical approach, and encouraged the public to get an annual flu shot.
An analysis led by Chinese scientists published in The Lancet Public Health in September 2019 found that there were 84,200 to 92,000 flu-related deaths in China each year, accounting for 8.2 percent of all deaths from respiratory diseases.
Invalid Link Removed
China has only had some 100 flu deaths a year out of half a million globally which I think is ridiculous.
On globaltimes which is the main CCP official news source, on January they posted an article on the influenza statistics suggesting (back in 9/2019) they should up there annual influenza deaths from 100 up to 80,000!!!!!
So all the sudden after all these years they want people to know 10s of thousands are dropping dead from the flu?
The statistical methods used by the Chinese CDC should be revised, as deaths from pneumonia caused by the flu, for example, are not counted, the observer said.
Observers called for an improved statistical approach, and encouraged the public to get an annual flu shot.
An analysis led by Chinese scientists published in The Lancet Public Health in September 2019 found that there were 84,200 to 92,000 flu-related deaths in China each year, accounting for 8.2 percent of all deaths from respiratory diseases.
Invalid Link Removed
DaveGabe24
Well-known member
I see what you're saying and it's a fair interpretation. Since that group may have a lower baseline you see that fatality risk as a larger net increase. It's possible for sure.
On a side note, "Naked Statistics" is an amazing book for anyone looking to learn the basics (regression to the mean, interference, regression analysis, etc). Read it a few months ago to brush up since it's been a few years since I took biometry, and I enjoyed it.
I would note though, that there's basically a doubling of risk per group. So another moral of the story is that if you catch it at those older age groups, yes you're likely to have other comorbidities at that age, you still have a much higher likelihood of dying to COVID than those younger.
So you could argue the impact on younger people is as significant but my point stands that the older you are the more likely you are to be killed off by it which is what I think the initial point Dixon was trying to refute by saying they simply die at that age anyway.
Woody
Well-known member
To be fair, the senate can’t even pass their own proposal. Hard to blame the lack of a new package on Pelosi. She’s working with Munchin but the Senate is unlikely to pass even the $1.5T the WH/Munchin have proposed.
I believe you meant to say: Politicians suck dirty butt juice.
dixonk
Well-known member
Politicians are the lowest forms of life. Every single one of them. If they want to give out 1.5T why aren’t they coming up solutions to pull 1.5T from somewhere else? This endless printing of money is going to be a disaster.