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sns8778 said:
I think its a good ingredient in my opinion.

I think that it got overhyped at first and that led to some people having unrealistic expectations that then bashed it.

I also think that some brands under-dosed it and that also led some to have negative opinions on it.

If dosed properly, I think its a good ingredient. Probably more so for health purposes then bodybuilding purposes, but a good ingredient.
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Any way for you to make it in a cost effective way?
 
alvin1 said:
Any way for you to make it in a cost effective way?
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My understanding is that the raw materials for this are pretty expensive. I would be glad to check on it though.
 
diesel x said:
Would really like to see a complete all in one super high quality post workout recovery product containing ingredients like creapure, kyowa quality eaas, bioenergy d ribose, highly branched cyclic dextrin, mediator phosphatidic acid, kyowa glutamine, pink himalayan salt, taurine, etc...

Laxosterone with astragin and bioperine for absorption

INSULIN MIMETIC that doesn't contain ingredients that cause excessive ampk activation preventing protein synthesis and actually shuttles carbs into the muscle tissue not just another gda
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holy hell would that be expensive haha
Resolve10 said:
I'd probably prefer some in it, but I don't think either way would matter a ton to me.

HBCD (20-25g) + LOLA (1g) + Taurine (1g) + Electrolytes for a hydration/endurance blend. Not saying this is practical, but in my dream world I'd buy this haha
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That's a nice, fairly simple formula that I think most would be good with. All pretty much post workout staples for anyone who takes that portion seriously
 
Resolve10 said:
I'd probably prefer some in it, but I don't think either way would matter a ton to me.

HBCD (20-25g) + LOLA (1g) + Taurine (1g) + Electrolytes for a hydration/endurance blend. Not saying this is practical, but in my dream world I'd buy this haha
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That's a pretty doable formula. LOLA isn't cheap, but isn't too bad. I like the idea of LOLA, Taurine, and electrolytes in it.
 
Resolve10 said:
Was just kind of thinking of things that seem to help endurance, aren't too crazy, and don't need to be taken daily. I'd be perfectly find with just HBCD (+electrolytes) but something like Ornithine adds just a little uniqueness and isn't something I'd assume was in the daily ergogen coming eventually.
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You assume correctly on that. L-Ornithine L-Aspartate is a great ingredient but will not be used in the daily ergogenic. Mainly because not a lot of people are familiar with it and the formula is already so complete (and expensive to make) that just kind of have to stop somewhere. And for people that want it, we make it as a single ingredient powder.
 
sns8778 said:
We use Saffron is GlycoPhase. We've never been asked for it as single ingredient before.
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Eh, there are solo saffron extracts out there. I ran (and still occasionally do) hi tech’s solo extract and it isn’t overwhelmingly noticeable. Don’t really notice the mood if you take it everyday. Also has some small GI sides- with the caveat that I like it for digesting big meals but starts to have side effects after 3-4 days of consecutive use.

Seems like high potency extract gets expensive. Not sure it would gain a lot of followers on its own
 
sns8778 said:
You assume correctly on that. L-Ornithine L-Aspartate is a great ingredient but will not be used in the daily ergogenic. Mainly because not a lot of people are familiar with it and the formula is already so complete (and expensive to make) that just kind of have to stop somewhere. And for people that want it, we make it as a single ingredient powder.
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I need to check this out as a bulk powder.

I’m already using a bunch of bulk powders for an intra and this could be a nice addition.

Would rather just have an all in one :D
 
josun said:
60 servings focus xt plzzzzzz!
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Good idea but it’s so cheap to begin with ( compared to competitors)

If you need to stock up it’s SUBTOTAL: $22.49/each

Over at dps after the code.


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Bulk buying options.

I haven't stopped using Focus XT since it's upgrade. That's a minimum one tub a month. I'm now also buying Cissus XT for the girlfriend as well. Would like to see a bulk option to hopefully save per unit.
 
Resolve10 said:
Was just kind of thinking of things that seem to help endurance, aren't too crazy, and don't need to be taken daily. I'd be perfectly find with just HBCD (+electrolytes) but something like Ornithine adds just a little uniqueness and isn't something I'd assume was in the daily ergogen coming eventually.
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To echo others, yes to a HBCD product! I'm up for the electrolytes, but I'd like to see something more than it just be a solo carb product. I know you already have Energized Aminos, but I'm not a fan of the caffeine in my intras since I take pre-WOs already. So EAA + HBCD + electrolytes, and maybe even a pump ingredient... similar to the old Olympus Labs ENDUR3+ would be great.
 
Segansational said:
So EAA + HBCD + electrolytes, and maybe even a pump ingredient... similar to the old Olympus Labs ENDUR3+ would be great.
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While I’m absolutely all for that, Endur3+ got discontinued? Seems to be one of those products that we on AM all love and buy up, but people outside of the forums don’t.
 
aaronuconn said:
While I’m absolutely all for that, Endur3+ got discontinued? Seems to be one of those products that we on AM all love and buy up, but people outside of the forums don’t.
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There was discussion on whether having carbs in your BCAA/EAA would be a dererrant. But ENDUR3, the non-carb version, was also discontinued so I'm guessing that wasn't the case. My guess is it didn't sell compared to other SKUs they had at the time. But you could be right. I think HBCDs are something more for forum folks anyways. I haven't seen a real designer carb used anywhere in "mainstream" brands except probably when Vitargo came out back in the 90s...
 
Segansational said:
There was discussion on whether having carbs in your BCAA/EAA would be a dererrant. But ENDUR3, the non-carb version, was also discontinued so I'm guessing that wasn't the case. My guess is it didn't sell compared to other SKUs they had at the time. But you could be right. I think HBCDs are something more for forum folks anyways. I haven't seen a real designer carb used anywhere in "mainstream" brands except probably when Vitargo came out back in the 90s...
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100% agree here... designer intra carbs are really only well-known in the smaller "very serious" gym populations (i.e. actual competitors, forum guru's and the like)... Most average gym bro's don't know the difference between a pre-workout and intra-workout past what the shiny label on a walmart package says its for.
 
Segansational said:
To echo others, yes to a HBCD product! I'm up for the electrolytes, but I'd like to see something more than it just be a solo carb product. I know you already have Energized Aminos, but I'm not a fan of the caffeine in my intras since I take pre-WOs already. So EAA + HBCD + electrolytes, and maybe even a pump ingredient... similar to the old Olympus Labs ENDUR3+ would be great.
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We will be doing an amino product without caffeine in the next few months.

I considered doing an HBCD product with Aminos but Endur3 sold terribly for them according to OL and retailers.

I'm open to doing an HBCD + electrolytes and maybe a couple of simple ingredients; I would want to keep it versatile.

I would be open after that to possibly doing a more complete formula in a small run to see if it sells.
 
booneman77 said:
100% agree here... designer intra carbs are really only well-known in the smaller "very serious" gym populations (i.e. actual competitors, forum guru's and the like)... Most average gym bro's don't know the difference between a pre-workout and intra-workout past what the shiny label on a walmart package says its for.
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That is a big part of it - I would say 95% of the market thinks all they want/need is a pre-workout and don't use intra's. And then for the ones that do, many either don't know the difference between the types of carbs and view HBCD at too expensive and 'just a carb' without understanding its benefits. We also are in a time where with so many people on keto, even people not on keto view carbs as bad without knowing or understanding the different types.

HBCD imo is great for pre, intra, and post workout purposes and has been a staple in my regimen for years.
 
josun said:
60 servings focus xt plzzzzzz!
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aaronuconn said:
This is a great idea
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We haven't been asked for a larger version. We have a lot of people that use it regularly but many like to change up flavors so we've tried to focus on special pricing for multi unit deals to take that into consideration. I would certainly be open to a larger size if that's something that people really want.
 
aaronuconn said:
Have we already asked for L-Alanyl-L-Glutamine?
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I don't think so but we do plan on using an L-Alanine and L-Glutamine combination in the future though. It won't be a Sustamine bc the price is too prohibitive to use in a good formula.
 
sns8778 said:
Specifically the powder? No capsules?
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I guess either, but I for one, would like to be able to experiment with higher dosing and 250mg per capsule doesn't cut it. If capped, 500mg or even 1000mg per cap would be ideal. Probably pretty expensive though, but I would be game.
 
megadeth said:
I guess either, but I for one, would like to be able to experiment with higher dosing and 250mg per capsule doesn't cut it. If capped, 500mg or even 1000mg per cap would be ideal. Probably pretty expensive though, but I would be game.
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1000 mg. per capsule isn't doable because that would require a size '000' capsule and many people can't swallow those and most contract manufacturers don't have the ability to make them because they don't have the proper size 'tooling' to do so.

500 mg. or 750 mg. capsules could be a possibility though.

The reason I ask is because capsules traditionally sell better for us than capsules, especially with things that don't taste good to begin with.
 
sns8778 said:
1000 mg. per capsule isn't doable because that would require a size '000' capsule and many people can't swallow those and most contract manufacturers don't have the ability to make them because they don't have the proper size 'tooling' to do so.

500 mg. or 750 mg. capsules could be a possibility though.

The reason I ask is because capsules traditionally sell better for us than capsules, especially with things that don't taste good to begin with.
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750 mg at 120 caps? Would you have an idea on price?
 
megadeth said:
750 mg at 120 caps? Would you have an idea on price?
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N2ofusion said:
Caps are fine. Just interested in trying it, heard hype years ago then it fell to the wayside
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Not at this moment because its been awhile since I've checked pricing on it but I'll be glad to check and get updated pricing to see how feasible it is.
 
Ursolic acid cyclodextrin
 
sns8778 said:
I'd be curious whether people would prefer cyclodextrin, phytosomal, or a topical.
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Most are gonna want to take it orally. From there, whatever absorbs better.
 
Yup orally maybe add a lil bit of bioperine
 
sns8778 said:
I'd be curious whether people would prefer cyclodextrin, phytosomal, or a topical.
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I think most will agree topical is superior, but def. inconvenient for many which would likely hurt the sales... For me, I know topicals are a real pain due to travel but as well many people are concerned about kids/significant others/etc.

Personally I'd say whichever of cyclo or phyto works better for this would be the way to go.
 
BigGame84 said:
Topical is probably more superior but also more inconvenient.
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I can see topical being more inconvenient for some. It isn't for me personally as I just do them first thing in the morning and then when I get home in the evenings. But I definitely can see why they would be for some people.

megadeth said:
Most are gonna want to take it orally. From there, whatever absorbs better.
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I agree. I think that's the great debate - whether a cyclodextrin or phytosomal would work better. Then there's the issue that some companies throw cyclodextrin in their products as an 'other ingredient' for label dressing and I've seen at least one company do some fancy labeling to make their product look like a phytosomal but it isn't.

If we did one, we would do it right. I haven't fully researched this, but from what I have, it seems like phytosomal would be better. But I wouldn't want to say that for sure until I had more time to research it.

GQdaLEGEND said:
Yup orally maybe add a lil bit of bioperine
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We would add whatever we thought we needed to for sure. Bioperine and AstraGin would be candidates and there's another one that would help with the absorption that I won't mention here bc we may do this and no reason to give out the idea to someone else yet.
 
very interesting .. i love bioperine and astragin

Always use epi-plex to enchance other supplements :)

excited about what else you have in store
 
How about a single strain Bacillus coagulans GBI-30, 6086 product?


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aaronuconn said:
How about a single strain Bacillus coagulans GBI-30, 6086 product?


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I'm open to that if its something people want. I definitely want to do one or more probiotics and an open to digestive aids; there are just so many options to choose from it can be overwhelming to decide what want to go with and offer.
 
sns8778 said:
I'm open to that if its something people want. I definitely want to do one or more probiotics and an open to digestive aids; there are just so many options to choose from it can be overwhelming to decide what want to go with and offer.
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For me personally, I would like to see this specific probiotic strain and digestive enzymes as two separate products. I think the probiotic strain can be beneficial for everyone, but potentially not everyone wants digestive enzymes with their probiotic.

The digestive enzyme product could just be your run-of-the-mill comprehensive enzyme product, with some nice add-ins such as Gentian and slippery elm.
 
aaronuconn said:
For me personally, I would like to see this specific probiotic strain and digestive enzymes as two separate products. I think the probiotic strain can be beneficial for everyone, but potentially not everyone wants digestive enzymes with their probiotic.

The digestive enzyme product could just be your run-of-the-mill comprehensive enzyme product, with some nice add-ins such as Gentian and slippery elm.
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Thank you. I appreciate the suggestions. I definitely am thinking on them being different products.
 
Resolve10 said:
So idk how I missed it but I see it mentions sleep assist xt on my stress and anxiety bottles.

Just bumping in hopes it spreads positivity and we see that soon! 😉
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I think sleep is the one benefit this whole mess has gotten me haha... being home and able to get all the chores done through the week actually allows me to relax for once! Always in for a good sleep supp tho as I have a baby on the way and hear that sleep will be harder to come by ;)
 
Resolve10 said:
So idk how I missed it but I see it mentions sleep assist xt on my stress and anxiety bottles.

Just bumping in hopes it spreads positivity and we see that soon!
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Your not suppose to read labels and what can be stacked lol
 
aaronuconn said:
How about a single strain Bacillus coagulans GBI-30, 6086 product?


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I like this idea.
 
Resolve10 said:
So idk how I missed it but I see it mentions sleep assist xt on my stress and anxiety bottles.

Just bumping in hopes it spreads positivity and we see that soon! 😉
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Good catch. We are hoping to have Sleep Assist XT out within the next 2 months. The formula and labels are already done so it may be sooner but some materials are hard to come by right now with everything going on. And we are prioritizing production on Immune Support XT and a couple of other immune system products that we will be coming out with.
 
sns8778 said:
Good catch. We are hoping to have Sleep Assist XT out within the next 2 months. The formula and labels are already done so it may be sooner but some materials are hard to come by right now with everything going on. And we are prioritizing production on Immune Support XT and a couple of other immune system products that we will be coming out with.
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Any hints on the other immune products? I’m seeing Epicor everywhere nowadays. I need to read up on it
 
sns8778 said:
Yeah, we would definitely stay away from super high dosages of Magnesium and Zinc.

I like the idea of using the most bio available sources but it scares me the final cost of the product if we go that route on all. It is the way I would lean though.

I can definitely see saying forget the add'ins but they're almost a must to distinguish the product from competition I think. I think we may just try to go a different route with any additions and make them make sense where some multi's look like they just throw in popular name stuff as a sales pitch.

I looked into a Pack idea years ago but the minimum orders to do those are so high to make it cost effective. We would have to grow a lot and have a much bigger distribution channel to make that feasible. But its a great idea.



We have VasoForce Rush which is a capsulated stim pre-workout. We would definitely be open to doing a powder version of that if that's something enough people wanted.

We are looking at doing the daily ergogenic that we've discussed in a couple of other thread. The formula is done and so are the flavor samples. The hardest part was honestly deciding a name for it.

I thought about doing a recovery specific capsulated product. I have a great idea for the ingredients, just not sure how well it would sell.



I like the idea of using the more active forms in a multi. The downside to that is that raises the price a lot if you do it for all of them and companies that have tried this in the past, their products didn't traditionally sell very well bc of the final price. This is the way I would lean towards doing one but its a scary process based on lack of sales that some have experienced going the same route haha.
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How about a sleep aide?
 
in the same idea I look at my Inhibit E bottle and it say it can be stack with optimize T, so it is still coming out after all these years?
 
alvin1 said:
in the same idea I look at my Inhibit E bottle and it say it can be stack with optimize T, so it is still coming out after all these years?
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Yeah it’s been always in a plan .. things just keep coming up .. in the meantime cel mtest holds the top spot :)

This covid19 just suxs.
 
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