Tell SNS What You Would Like to See From Us (2020 Edition)

aaronuconn said:
Aminogen + Velositol + bacillus coagulans + protease combined product?

Could be a flavor less powder added to protein shakes.

Aid in amino uptake, MPS, and protein absorption/digestion.
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That's a good idea. Not sure if it would be flavorless or not though since I've never worked with any of the raw materials unflavored before. I'd have to check on that.

My only big wonder is would this sell well for us without us having a protein powder.
 
madmuscle24 said:
Baiba powder would be cool.
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Have you tried this?

I saw it used in several products but most were discontinued and didn't seem to do well. I'm not sure if that was bc of the ingredient not working or it not being dosed correctly, or just not being marketed well enough.
 
sns8778 said:
That's a good idea. Not sure if it would be flavorless or not though since I've never worked with any of the raw materials unflavored before. I'd have to check on that.

My only big wonder is would this sell well for us without us having a protein powder.
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I would assume it would simply because nearly everyone has protein powder already to pair it with...

I know it’s prob not in the cards due to profits and scale but SNS protein would be awesome too just for the quality we know to expect ;)
 
I was looking through the versions of Anabeta. If I'm not mistaken, there was Anabeta Original and then 2 or 3 versions of Anabeta Elite.

I want to confirm - the people asking for an Anacyclus like Anabeta OG are asking for Anacyclus as a single ingredient product, correct? (Not a version with Lodhra and Cistanche.)

If anyone has or can find a bottle image, post it up or pm it to me - supplement facts and front please.
 
sns8778 said:
I was looking through the versions of Anabeta. If I'm not mistaken, there was Anabeta Original and then 2 or 3 versions of Anabeta Elite.

I want to confirm - the people asking for an Anacyclus like Anabeta OG are asking for Anacyclus as a single ingredient product, correct? (Not a version with Lodhra and Cistanche.)

If anyone has or can find a bottle image, post it up or pm it to me - supplement facts and front please.
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I think most are asking for it as a single ingredient.
 
sns8778 said:
Have you tried this?

I saw it used in several products but most were discontinued and didn't seem to do well. I'm not sure if that was bc of the ingredient not working or it not being dosed correctly, or just not being marketed well enough.
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Yes back when Antaeus labs had it out in bulk powder. I thought it brought on decent fat loss if ran for a couple months without any sides. Always thought it was a good add on to any fat loss stack.
 
Another question - for people asking for Amentoflavone, what dosage are you interested in?
 
Resolve10 said:
I want to say 100mg was the sweet spot so something that allows for that and above. Maybe 50mg caps? Other times of day lower doses seemed effective (mood, etc.) where as I always wanted higher for pre, but having trouble finding what I used to dose at. 🤷‍♂️
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Was AmentoMax something like 200mg at a 20% standardization?
 
Resolve10 said:
I want to say 100mg was the sweet spot so something that allows for that and above. Maybe 50mg caps? Other times of day lower doses seemed effective (mood, etc.) where as I always wanted higher for pre, but having trouble finding what I used to dose at. 🤷‍♂️
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I can't remember the dosage I tried either; its been so long ago.

aaronuconn said:
Was AmentoMax something like 200mg at a 20% standardization?
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From what I can find, it was 200 mg. @ 20%. I'm glad you wrote the name because I couldn't remember it and kept searching for AmentoPump which is a type you see available now, but that's a 10%.
 
Yup single Anacyclus would stack so well with M-Test.
 
sns8778 said:
We had a thread last year that produced a lot of suggestions. Some we were already able to offer and some are in various stages of production.

I wanted to start a fresh thread to get some ideas to see what people would like to see from SNS and Competitive Edge Labs in 2020.

Feel free to suggest single ingredient and/or combination ideas.

Thanks and I look forward to seeing everyone's ideas.
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- Bulk Icariin
 
Resolve10 said:
I want to say 100mg was the sweet spot so something that allows for that and above. Maybe 50mg caps? Other times of day lower doses seemed effective (mood, etc.) where as I always wanted higher for pre, but having trouble finding what I used to dose at. 🤷‍♂️
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I was dosing it at 600mg preworkout and liked it at that dose. Slight boost in strength and mood.
 
Another idea is Amentoflavone in a fat loss product. IIRC, amentoflavone acts as a PDE inhibitor. PDE breaks down cAMP. So inhibit PDE = more cAMP.

Maybe a Amentoflavone + Forskolin product?

Section 5 in the below link is pretty interesting.
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kl1234 said:
- Bulk Icariin
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We've never been asked for that one before but would definitely be open to it if enough people are interested. Thank you for the idea.
 
aaronuconn said:
Another idea is Amentoflavone in a fat loss product. IIRC, amentoflavone acts as a PDE inhibitor. PDE breaks down cAMP. So inhibit PDE = more cAMP.

Maybe a Amentoflavone + Forskolin product?

Section 5 in the below link is pretty interesting.
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Interesting idea. I would have to refresh my memory on the Coleus trademarks and patents. I see some brands doing non branded versions now but I was thinking Sabinsa had patents on it for most weight loss and sports nutrition uses.

I also remember talk back when Amentoflavone was popular of people wanting to see it included with a Cnidium product that had a high % of ostholes for the PDE inhibitor purposes.
 
ELROCK said:
I was dosing it at 600mg preworkout and liked it at that dose. Slight boost in strength and mood.
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Thank you for sharing. Do you happen to remember or know if that was a 10% or 20% version?
 
I remember one problem with Amentoflavone was some brands were saying they had 100 mg. Amentoflavone when they really had 100 mg. of the ingredient std. down to whatever % Amentoflavone but they were representing it as 100 mg. actual active.
 
sns8778 said:
I was looking through the versions of Anabeta. If I'm not mistaken, there was Anabeta Original and then 2 or 3 versions of Anabeta Elite.

I want to confirm - the people asking for an Anacyclus like Anabeta OG are asking for Anacyclus as a single ingredient product, correct? (Not a version with Lodhra and Cistanche.)

If anyone has or can find a bottle image, post it up or pm it to me - supplement facts and front please.
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I remember the OG was a different extract than the elite versions and seemed to work better. But like you said, no way to know what extract it was
 
CATdiesel76 said:
I remember the OG was a different extract than the elite versions and seemed to work better. But like you said, no way to know what extract it was
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Yeah, and that was always the thing - the original always had so much better feedback than the other versions so if it was a different extract, why not go back to it? That's why I think so many people speculated that it was a different herb rather than Anacyclus in the original; I don't do the conspiracy thing + I really like PES; I just think that was what fueled the flames of those questions back then.

But that's the dilemma - we can easily offer a great quality Anacyclus BUT if the original was a different herb than Anacyclus or if it was a mix, there's no way we could promise to offer something exactly like it without knowing what it was.
 
sns8778 said:
I can't remember the dosage I tried either; its been so long ago.



From what I can find, it was 200 mg. @ 20%. I'm glad you wrote the name because I couldn't remember it and kept searching for AmentoPump which is a type you see available now, but that's a 10%.
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I used to buy Analyzed Supplements Amentomax. It was 200mg @20%. I felt great when I was taking it. I'd love to see SNS bring an amento product to market.
 
aloosecannon said:
I used to buy Analyzed Supplements Amentomax. It was 200mg @20%. I felt great when I was taking it. I'd love to see SNS bring an amento product to market.
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Thank you. Feedback like this helps. We want to offer whatever you all want from us.
 
sns8778 said:
We've never been asked for that one before but would definitely be open to it if enough people are interested. Thank you for the idea.
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Too expensive, when NP had 50% it was amazing.

The pumps I got from 500mg cap before a workout, and libido boosting!
 
AdelV said:
Too expensive, when NP had 50% it was amazing.

The pumps I got from 500mg cap before a workout, and libido boosting!
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I want to make sure we're talking about the same thing - you're referring to a 50% Icariin?
 
BigGame84 said:
Yeah, that’s what he’s referring to.
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Thanks. I just wanted to make sure bc 500 mg. of 50% Icariin is a pretty hefty dose and based on raw material costs would be pretty expensive if they haven't come down since the last time I checked. Adding it to my sourcing list and will definitely see what something like this would cost though. That could have all sorts of fun potential to try :)
 
sns8778 said:
We've never been asked for that one before but would definitely be open to it if enough people are interested. Thank you for the idea.
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With the right extract %, I'd be a buyer. I used to buy the 40% to 50% bulk powder. I say - go, Dog, go.
 
aaronuconn said:
We’ve seen other brands put out products that are 8 caps a day, so I wouldn’t think that’s too much of a deterrent. Especially if it’s maybe dosed on the lines of four caps in the morning and four caps in the evening.
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Maybe it is just me, but with the right product, I would go bulk - even if it tasted like absolute garbage. Again, we have libido improvement/pro-wood on the on side, and tastes great on the other side. Give me libido/wood every time. Back in the day, we used to buy all sorts of bulk products, some of which tasted ghastly. It never slowed me down.

Also, I will personally offer my "naming expertise" when it comes time to developing just the right name. My track record is pretty good (and, frequently (at least to me) hysterical).
 
kl1234 said:
Yes.

Has other health benefits as well. I’d most certainly be picking this one up!
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I'm going to see if this is one that we can offer at a reasonable price. If so, its a good possibility of doing it.
 
Beau said:
Maybe it is just me, but with the right product, I would go bulk - even if it tasted like absolute garbage. Again, we have libido improvement/pro-wood on the on side, and tastes great on the other side. Give me libido/wood every time. Back in the day, we used to buy all sorts of bulk products, some of which tasted ghastly. It never slowed me down.

Also, I will personally offer my "naming expertise" when it comes time to developing just the right name. My track record is pretty good (and, frequently (at least to me) hysterical).
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I remember the old days where nothing tasted good, it was just a matter of if you could swallow it down or not haha. Unfortunately, those days are gone and people now often judge products more by taste than by results. I don't get it myself but I guess that's just my old school way of thinking.

And yes, I remember, you have quite the ability of coming up with great names in this department haha.

I don't think a powder would be doable on this though bc with the herbs in it, it would taste pretty rough and I do think that would deter a lot of people from taking it. I think we would start off with a capsule first and then maybe do a drink mix if people really wanted it; maybe like a small amount of liquid shot type of thing. I like DAA for this purpose and it could be used in a powder but would take too many capsules to be used in the capsule formula; although I know some don't like DAA, I think it was just a victim of being overhyped and I do think its great for libido.
 
sns8778 said:
I remember the old days where nothing tasted good, it was just a matter of if you could swallow it down or not haha. Unfortunately, those days are gone and people now often judge products more by taste than by results. I don't get it myself but I guess that's just my old school way of thinking.

And yes, I remember, you have quite the ability of coming up with great names in this department haha.

I don't think a powder would be doable on this though bc with the herbs in it, it would taste pretty rough and I do think that would deter a lot of people from taking it. I think we would start off with a capsule first and then maybe do a drink mix if people really wanted it; maybe like a small amount of liquid shot type of thing. I like DAA for this purpose and it could be used in a powder but would take too many capsules to be used in the capsule formula; although I know some don't like DAA, I think it was just a victim of being overhyped and I do think its great for libido.
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Then caps it is.

I have some DAA, but I haven't really thought of it as a libido enhancer. I might have to take it and see.
 
Beau said:
Then caps it is.

I have some DAA, but I haven't really thought of it as a libido enhancer. I might have to take it and see.
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I think its very underrated as a libido enhancer. Let me know what you think if you try it.

And yeah, would almost have to be caps. Last year I did a taste test on something - I had played with the idea of doing a powdered version of M-Test and adding a couple things to it that would've required a lot of capsule space. The flavor samples tasted okay to me - not good, but as good as could be expected. Every single person that tried it aged 35+ that tried stuff back in the old days thought it tasted fine or at least drinkable; everyone under 25 that we had try it couldn't even finish the drink. That shows how much the industry is about taste now days; and I get it to a degree, I mean who wants to drink something bad, BUT I'm not drinking most things for taste, I'm drinking them for results so if they work, I can gulp most anything down.
 
sns8778 said:
I think its very underrated as a libido enhancer. Let me know what you think if you try it.

And yeah, would almost have to be caps. Last year I did a taste test on something - I had played with the idea of doing a powdered version of M-Test and adding a couple things to it that would've required a lot of capsule space. The flavor samples tasted okay to me - not good, but as good as could be expected. Every single person that tried it aged 35+ that tried stuff back in the old days thought it tasted fine or at least drinkable; everyone under 25 that we had try it couldn't even finish the drink. That shows how much the industry is about taste now days; and I get it to a degree, I mean who wants to drink something bad, BUT I'm not drinking most things for taste, I'm drinking them for results so if they work, I can gulp most anything down.
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Agreed. The stuff I used to drink was horrible tasting. Most of it was bulk powder. I never gave it a second thought.

If it tasted like unbelievably bad, I would just chase it with something that tasted less terrible.

I still do that. I still buy bulk herbs and powders. Only a few have been too awful - specifically I had an issue with some bulk cnidium monnieri. I've "heard" some people don't react well to it, taste wise.

With that exception, I've consumed many garbage tasting supplements - I do recall Supersaponins was a bit "tough" at first.
 
sns8778 said:
Yeah, and that was always the thing - the original always had so much better feedback than the other versions so if it was a different extract, why not go back to it? That's why I think so many people speculated that it was a different herb rather than Anacyclus in the original; I don't do the conspiracy thing + I really like PES; I just think that was what fueled the flames of those questions back then.

But that's the dilemma - we can easily offer a great quality Anacyclus BUT if the original was a different herb than Anacyclus or if it was a mix, there's no way we could promise to offer something exactly like it without knowing what it was.
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Do you need an original cap to test? Lol
I have a few bottles laying around, do recall using one and not noticing much.
sns8778 said:
Thanks. I just wanted to make sure bc 500 mg. of 50% Icariin is a pretty hefty dose and based on raw material costs would be pretty expensive if they haven't come down since the last time I checked. Adding it to my sourcing list and will definitely see what something like this would cost though. That could have all sorts of fun potential to try :)
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It was powder, 25g. I capped it at 500mg and wasn't expensive at the time. Prices have jumped in recent years tho!

It was amazing, like original Mesomorph had HGW and the pumps are mad!
 
AdelV said:
Do you need an original cap to test? Lol
I have a few bottles laying around, do recall using one and not noticing much.
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Ha that would be great .. we can start a fund to test it lol
 
AdelV said:
Do you need an original cap to test? Lol
I have a few bottles laying around, do recall using one and not noticing much.
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Ha that would be great .. we can start a fund to test it lol
 
AdelV said:
Do you need an original cap to test? Lol
I have a few bottles laying around, do recall using one and not noticing much.



It was powder, 25g. I capped it at 500mg and wasn't expensive at the time. Prices have jumped in recent years tho!

It was amazing, like original Mesomorph had HGW and the pumps are mad!
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I wouldn't be opposed to testing it if you have a sealed bottle but I would not be able to publicly post the results. PM me if you have a sealed bottle that you wouldn't mind sending.

The Icariin from NP may have been before the price on it went through the roof. I have it on my list of raws to source and get updated pricing on. It's one we'd definitely be open to if we could offer it at a decent price.
 
Resolve10 said:
I don't want to get too off track and I am biased, but I think it comes down to a couple things (hype and nostalgia).

I always got amazing results on the sequel products.

I think what tends to happen is when a new novel thing that actually works come out the initial hype builds and people expect miracles. This raises the ceiling of expectations and then when people get results, but maybe not the crazy things they saw others report they think the newer product is watered down, not the same, etc.

The same thing happens when people use something again or a single ingredient in a new formula if all the other life variables don't line up to give them better or even equal results suddenly now "it isn't good".

I've been on the boards awhile and it happens with so much. PES releases Erase. It is amazing. Then they release Erase Pro which is literally arimistane + extras and suddenly some people think the OG is still better.

Or look at the original epicatechin logs. People were claiming absurd strength gains in a week. If I gauged my results on epicatechin based on the original logs I'd say it doesn't work.

Or ArA. When Molecular Nutrition first released it that stuff got insane feedback. It has tempered (or stabilized?) over the years and appears more "hit or miss", but I'd say it is just still as effective.

As the sample size of users increases with these "novel" ingredients you get more people with unrealistic expectations or people who don't have good plans or proper training or nutrition use them then their negative reviews get tossed in the pile of all the cumulative reviews, where as a lot of times when these new ingredients come out the more tedious people use them first and probably do get better results because they are more structured in their training, diet, etc.

Again this isn't to discount others views on anything and we should take the good and bad reviews. It just seems to be a thing of finding where that ingredient settles. Some have huge initial feedback then no one ever enjoys it again (means probably hyped and not useful) or something has great initial feedback, a mix of bad reviews, but still some decently positive (means its probably effective just not a miracle).

And I got off track, sorry! Just think if people have reasonable expectations and you can find a good Anacyclus to provide then people would see benefit, but can see the areas that doubt creeps in with it.
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Thank you for the very detailed post.

I think that's part of what makes the OG AnaBeta thing so interesting is that it looks like future batches should have delivered better results (unless it was just bc of a lesser dose of Anacyclus) and it always seemed too everyone that with the original getting so much better feedback, why not just go back to it? That's what I think spawned the questions on if it was really Anacyclus or another herb that had been in the original.

I agree with the part about the initial hype vs unrealistic expectations. I think that happens to and hurts a lot of supplements. And you are absolutely right, the initial logs on Epicatechin were very suspect in that they claimed results that weren't realistic and led to some people being disappointed in the ingredient where if they had had realistic expectations I think they would be or have been very pleased. That's one reason I hate to see some companies over-hype things. I get it that its about marketing to them, but it sets up unrealistic expectations for ingredients.

I agree on ARA. I think its great and as great as it ever was, its just not 'new and exciting' anymore so it doesn't get mentioned as much. When it comes to my goals, I want things that work, not just the latest hyped new thing.

For Anacyclus, we can definitely provide a good quality extract at a great price. I just never want to say its the same as the original Anabeta bc no one knows exactly what the extract was and especially if it may have been a different herb or something like that.
 
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