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Tell SNS What You Would Like to See From Us (2020 Edition)

Ohh this is great news on the grains of paradise.

I always have liked it stacked it lean GBB. There are a couple of l-carn/ lean gbb products out there that I could stack with the stand alone grains of paradise. Some of them have GOP in them but dose is too low. I find these have a synergistic effect on heat production and sweating when taken together... both produce them separately from my experience.

I also can through a little synephrine in and or capsimax.... better drink around a gallon of h20 before and another gallon during summertime cardio because you will lose gallons of water weight from increased heat and sweating. Even light cardio in a 72 degree gym will have me pouring sweat.
 
Lean GBB is popping up everywhere now!
You would be entering a crowded market in my opinion.

What interests me about solo Grains of Paradise and Kanna is running at a much higher dose than combined products allow for.
 
N2ofusion said:
Lean GBB is popping up everywhere now!
You would be entering a crowded market in my opinion.

What interests me about solo Grains of Paradise and Kanna is running at a much higher dose than combined products allow for.
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I think everyone will be very happy with our dosages on Paradoxine and KannaEase.
 
sns8778 said:
I haven't followed that ingredient very closely. I thought that the oral bioavailability was an issue with doing capsules?
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It is with standard ursolic acid. PA created I believe sodium ursolic acid which was orally bioavailable in caps and spray form then graduated to arginine ursolic acid. I believe he may have a patent on arginine ursolic acid now but the sodium version is probably fair game
 
CATdiesel76 said:
It is with standard ursolic acid. PA created I believe sodium ursolic acid which was orally bioavailable in caps and spray form then graduated to arginine ursolic acid. I believe he may have a patent on arginine ursolic acid now but the sodium version is probably fair game
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So many different ones out there and no1 is listing out what they are putting .. checked out recomp rx by blackstone .. looking at what got good reviews anteus labs hydra head six which says Ursolic Acid Cyclodextrin Complex

Def has the benfits from all sources just finding out the dosages which is why every1 is always double dosing anything with ursolic in it.

i like the good ol rosemary-holy basil extract think it has very good health benefits along with lowering cortisol
 
We would be glad to do a Mediator Phosphatidic Acid if enough people wanted it but its a very expensive ingredient. We could offer it at as good of a price as we could, but its not something that you would see from us like some things that would be a huge huge price difference.
 
Think you’d be able to do a Cyanidin 3-Glucoside product? Everyone usually hates on Biotest because they are expensive, but their Indigo 3G workspretty well. Nothing close to $130 USD per month good though, maybe SNS can do better? Something like 200-300mg caps would be amazing.
 
Thebigc4 said:
Think you’d be able to do a Cyanidin 3-Glucoside product? Everyone usually hates on Biotest because they are expensive, but their Indigo 3G workspretty well. Nothing close to $130 USD per month good though, maybe SNS can do better? Something like 200-300mg caps would be amazing.
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I'd be glad to look into it.
 
sns8778 said:
We would be glad to do a Mediator Phosphatidic Acid if enough people wanted it but its a very expensive ingredient. We could offer it at as good of a price as we could, but its not something that you would see from us like some things that would be a huge huge price difference.
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Would it be possible to utilize it in a combo product?
 
aaronuconn said:
Would it be possible to utilize it in a combo product?
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It's so expensive that it makes it difficult to add other things to it if they are pricey, but maybe.

Another issue is that some companies are very deceptive with this and try to pass off the dosage total powder as the dosage of actual active ingredient.
 
sns8778 said:
It's so expensive that it makes it difficult to add other things to it if they are pricey, but maybe.

Another issue is that some companies are very deceptive with this and try to pass off the dosage total powder as the dosage of actual active ingredient.
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May not be worth it then.

What about a D3 + Vit K complex product?
 
aaronuconn said:
Did we already ask for PrimaVie?

It’d be great to have 120 caps at 250mg/cap. Good for a 2 month run at 500mg.
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PrimaVie would be an option if enough people want it.
 
sns8778 said:
Bioperine and AstraGin could certainly be used.

Cyclodextrins - in my opinion someone will probably do it as a sales pitch but I don't think it would add anything to the ingredient in this case.

Creating a true phytosomal is very expensive. A lot of what you see companies doing is throwing ingredients over in products but not actually bonding the ingredients. The process of creating a true phytosomal would cost more per kg. than Amentoflavone costs per kg. itself just to give you an idea.
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So financially doable with the first two components.....Any actual profit margin worth it in the long run? Seeing things come and go its def something Im still searching for.
 
TheMovement said:
So financially doable with the first two components.....Any actual profit margin worth it in the long run? Seeing things come and go its def something Im still searching for.
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I'm checking on it now. The issue is now that most Amentoflavone suppliers are only offering a 10% version so we are working on finding good pricing for 20% or higher. I hoping to know more by the end of the week. Things on the raw material supply end are pretty much in slow motion now because of everything going on.
 
sns8778 said:
We may could do that. Any specific dosage you'd like to see?
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I'd prefer seeing one that's around 2,000 iu D-3 and 80 mcg MK-7 (in an oil base). Seems like every other company is doing one with 5,000 iu of D-3 and not all of us need that much.
 
jarrellt67 said:
I'd prefer seeing one that's around 2,000 iu D-3 and 80 mcg MK-7 (in an oil base). Seems like every other company is doing one with 5,000 iu of D-3 and not all of us need that much.
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2k iu + 80mcg would allow for double dosing as well.

I’d personally prefer 5k iu D3, though
 
I am a big fan of D-3 and K2, but is so easy to replicate that I am not sure there would be much of a financial advantage to putting this product together - since it would be in competition with Vitacost and other high volume, low cost providers.

Don't get me wrong, I use D-3 every morning and K2 every night ...
 
Would really like to see a complete all in one super high quality post workout recovery product containing ingredients like creapure, kyowa quality eaas, bioenergy d ribose, highly branched cyclic dextrin, mediator phosphatidic acid, kyowa glutamine, pink himalayan salt, taurine, etc...

Laxosterone with astragin and bioperine for absorption

INSULIN MIMETIC that doesn't contain ingredients that cause excessive ampk activation preventing protein synthesis and actually shuttles carbs into the muscle tissue not just another gda
 
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Agree I’ve seen plenty of options out there .. would be wise to sprinkle in some extra on top

Maybe
Vit D - 3,000 iu
K2 - 45mcg
Calcium - 1200mg

Cissus would complement vitD and k2 unsure if it can be done
 
diesel x said:
Would really like to see a complete all in one super high quality post workout recovery product containing ingredients like creapure, kyowa quality eaas, bioenergy d ribose, highly branched cyclic dextrin, mediator phosphatidic acid, kyowa glutamine, pink himalayan salt, taurine, etc...

Laxosterone with astragin and bioperine for absorption

INSULIN MIMETIC that doesn't contain ingredients that cause excessive ampk activation preventing protein synthesis and actually shuttles carbs into the muscle tissue not just another gda
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I like Kyowa quality ingredients, but it would really drive the price of the product up quite a bit
 
mase1 said:
How bout some joint xt?
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We are doing our best. Branded ingredients are great until one of the companies is out of their own ingredient and then that causes delays. We do have everything in and its in production so we're hoping any time now. We'll let everyone know when it comes in and do a sale on it.
 
diesel x said:
Would really like to see a complete all in one super high quality post workout recovery product containing ingredients like creapure, kyowa quality eaas, bioenergy d ribose, highly branched cyclic dextrin, mediator phosphatidic acid, kyowa glutamine, pink himalayan salt, taurine, etc...

Laxosterone with astragin and bioperine for absorption

INSULIN MIMETIC that doesn't contain ingredients that cause excessive ampk activation preventing protein synthesis and actually shuttles carbs into the muscle tissue not just another gda
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GlycoPhase is a great seller for us and gets great feedback and is very different than many GDA's because its a true GDA and not just another blood sugar control product; so I doubt you would see us do anything else in the GDA family. If your idea is different than a GDA, let me know what you have in mind, either here or by pm.

Laxogenin with Astragin and Bioperine is possible if enough people want it.

For the post workout idea, I like the idea of a post workout product but its a category that traditionally sells horribly. I'd be open to doing one after the daily ergogenic and a couple other things come out but it would be slightly different than your idea. For example, Mediator if we do that will be a stand alone product due to price. And I don't think we would use Creatine Monohydrate because some people, myself included, bloat badly from it. I would much prefer Creatine Magnapower to that. I appreciate the idea though and some concepts are close to what I have in mind for one.

BTW.... I was a fan of HBCD before most people had ever heard of it so I love that suggestion. I always wanted to do a straight HBCD but there's never seemed to be enough interest.

In regards to Kyowa, I think their ingredients are good but I think they are too expensive for what they are. If a company tests their raws and have a 99%+ pure ingredient and Kyowa's is 99%+ but there's a huge price difference, then you're really just paying for the name. Now, we use A LOT of branded ingredients but I'm just not sure its worth it in this case. I hope that makes sense.
 
sns8778 said:
GlycoPhase is a great seller for us and gets great feedback and is very different than many GDA's because its a true GDA and not just another blood sugar control product; so I doubt you would see us do anything else in the GDA family. If your idea is different than a GDA, let me know what you have in mind, either here or by pm.

Laxogenin with Astragin and Bioperine is possible if enough people want it.

For the post workout idea, I like the idea of a post workout product but its a category that traditionally sells horribly. I'd be open to doing one after the daily ergogenic and a couple other things come out but it would be slightly different than your idea. For example, Mediator if we do that will be a stand alone product due to price. And I don't think we would use Creatine Monohydrate because some people, myself included, bloat badly from it. I would much prefer Creatine Magnapower to that. I appreciate the idea though and some concepts are close to what I have in mind for one.

BTW.... I was a fan of HBCD before most people had ever heard of it so I love that suggestion. I always wanted to do a straight HBCD but there's never seemed to be enough interest.

In regards to Kyowa, I think their ingredients are good but I think they are too expensive for what they are. If a company tests their raws and have a 99%+ pure ingredient and Kyowa's is 99%+ but there's a huge price difference, then you're really just paying for the name. Now, we use A LOT of branded ingredients but I'm just not sure its worth it in this case. I hope that makes sense.
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I honestly think theres a lack of new innovative high quality post workout recovery products these days, people seem to forget how important it is and like to make fun of the post workout "anabolic window" but any serious lifter knows that's when your muscles are most receptive and prime to absorbing nutrients so I honestly never got why people would ignore something like that, I think it would be awesome for you guys to come out with product and bring back the importance of post workout recovery.

Instead of Kyowa how about Ajipure aminos? I do notice anything with Kyowa is really pricey but i think Ajipure would be a good substitute for that to keep things affordable.
 
sns8778 said:
GlycoPhase is a great seller for us and gets great feedback and is very different than many GDA's because its a true GDA and not just another blood sugar control product; so I doubt you would see us do anything else in the GDA family. If your idea is different than a GDA, let me know what you have in mind, either here or by pm.

Laxogenin with Astragin and Bioperine is possible if enough people want it.

For the post workout idea, I like the idea of a post workout product but its a category that traditionally sells horribly. I'd be open to doing one after the daily ergogenic and a couple other things come out but it would be slightly different than your idea. For example, Mediator if we do that will be a stand alone product due to price. And I don't think we would use Creatine Monohydrate because some people, myself included, bloat badly from it. I would much prefer Creatine Magnapower to that. I appreciate the idea though and some concepts are close to what I have in mind for one.

BTW.... I was a fan of HBCD before most people had ever heard of it so I love that suggestion. I always wanted to do a straight HBCD but there's never seemed to be enough interest.

In regards to Kyowa, I think their ingredients are good but I think they are too expensive for what they are. If a company tests their raws and have a 99%+ pure ingredient and Kyowa's is 99%+ but there's a huge price difference, then you're really just paying for the name. Now, we use A LOT of branded ingredients but I'm just not sure its worth it in this case. I hope that makes sense.
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Would definitely love to see a solo HBCD product!
 
diesel x said:
Would really like to see a complete all in one super high quality post workout recovery product containing ingredients like creapure, kyowa quality eaas, bioenergy d ribose, highly branched cyclic dextrin, mediator phosphatidic acid, kyowa glutamine, pink himalayan salt, taurine, etc...

Laxosterone with astragin and bioperine for absorption

INSULIN MIMETIC that doesn't contain ingredients that cause excessive ampk activation preventing protein synthesis and actually shuttles carbs into the muscle tissue not just another gda
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holy hell would that be expensive haha
 
One of the best carb spice imo hbcd some co just put too lil and make profits of other garbage in it
 
One of the best carb spice imo hbcd some co just put too lil and make profits of other garbage in it
 
Resolve10 said:
Solo HBCD would be interesting. A few companies have some, would this be straight or with electrolytes as well (there seem to be more with added electrolytes)?

I tend to get mind in a comprehensive formula, but I'd support SNS and it would allow me to use more during training sessions.
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Yeah I would be down with either on .. throwing in energized amino’s .. maybe flavor it the same .. can be a nice intra/post workout

Solo I think I’m seeing 25g dose .. mixing it with bcaa/intra seeing anywhere from 10-20g
 
Saffron extract- mood elevation, energy and nootropic effect (supposedly I haven’t tried this one yet).
 
diesel x said:
I honestly think theres a lack of new innovative high quality post workout recovery products these days, people seem to forget how important it is and like to make fun of the post workout "anabolic window" but any serious lifter knows that's when your muscles are most receptive and prime to absorbing nutrients so I honestly never got why people would ignore something like that, I think it would be awesome for you guys to come out with product and bring back the importance of post workout recovery.

Instead of Kyowa how about Ajipure aminos? I do notice anything with Kyowa is really pricey but i think Ajipure would be a good substitute for that to keep things affordable.
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I don't see the reason in going with Kyowa or Ajinomoto for aminos honestly. The reason for going with branded ingredients is typically because they offer something that their non-branded counterparts do not. There isn't a quality issue with amino's in general. For example, Leucine that tests 99%+ pure is what it is, regardless of whether its generic or you put Kyowa or Ajinomoto on the label.

I love branded ingredients. If you look at the SNS line, we use dozens of them. But we don't just use them for marketing purposes. We use them when it legitimately makes sense to use them.

I do think people definitely discount the importance of proper post workout nutrition now days. It's something we would be willing to look into.
 
alvin1 said:
It is the same thing as humanofort I think, better recovery, reduce inflammation, increase DHEA etc...
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I wondered if you were talking about Humanofort. Humanofort seems to not get much talk around here.
 
ELROCK said:
Saffron extract- mood elevation, energy and nootropic effect (supposedly I haven’t tried this one yet).
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We use Saffron is GlycoPhase. We've never been asked for it as single ingredient before.
 
Resolve10 said:
Solo HBCD would be interesting. A few companies have some, would this be straight or with electrolytes as well (there seem to be more with added electrolytes)?

I tend to get mind in a comprehensive formula, but I'd support SNS and it would allow me to use more during training sessions.
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I think the best way in terms of marketing is adding electrolytes to it. What would you prefer - electrolytes or no electrolytes?

I would be open to a comprehensive product as well, but to really do a properly dosed HBCD, adding a lot of other things really becomes price prohibitive. Plus, its a matter of what to add because HBCD is diverse and can be used pre, intra, post, and before endurance training.
 
alvin1 said:
what do you think about humanofort?
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I think its a good ingredient in my opinion.

I think that it got overhyped at first and that led to some people having unrealistic expectations that then bashed it.

I also think that some brands under-dosed it and that also led some to have negative opinions on it.

If dosed properly, I think its a good ingredient. Probably more so for health purposes then bodybuilding purposes, but a good ingredient.
 
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