Hey dude, i am late in on this and just started catching up on it, great log! Have you been tracking blood ketone levels? Based on your bloodwork, I am wondering if your liver might be struggling with ketone production.
Welcome (although admittedly I'm not plannign ot be as thorough going forward ha)Hey dude, i am late in on this and just started catching up on it, great log! Have you been tracking blood ketone levels? Based on your bloodwork, I am wondering if your liver might be struggling with ketone production.
A couple excerpts from some things I stumbled across:Strange stuff is afoot with that blood work... Were you able to find any correlation for why some people end up with an LDL spike from Keto? I would be very curious on that one.
I don't have any first hand experience with the keto approach beyond trying it once and giving up after a couple of days. I was just wondering whether your elevated liver enzymes are a result of increased ketone production, or perhaps relflect some hepatic dysfunction, which would likely impair ketone production.Welcome (although admittedly I'm not plannign ot be as thorough going forward ha)
I have not and am not on a keto diet as of the last week and a half ha. Do you have any experience with the mentioned issue though? would be curious to hear more
It’s clearly not the norm to have these levels rise like mine seem to have but there is precedence it seems. Most of the quotes were from articles referencing studies I just didn’t dig all the way to the studies today. Will prob continue to dig as time allows just or of curiosity ha.Are those first bunch of quotes out of a study?
Just wondering what data or study they looked at when concluding lipids would worsen.
I feel like this may have included data from something not controlling for the ratios of fat types consumed... I could be wrong we just see improvement so often in controlled study that seems strange.
Sorry, totally useless to your issue.
The thyroid bit is legit, had that convo with my endo as I’m also hypo and on TRT with past liver issues, even though I’ve never had lipids out of range it comes up.
Last I remember talking about your thyroid you were back up into range correct? But something was still off was it low end t3 or was it that you just still felt the sides of hypo?
Haha well your guess is as good as mine at this point. I’m certainly no keto expert and frankly have not had great luck with it the last couple years.I don't have any first hand experience with the keto approach beyond trying it once and giving up after a couple of days. I was just wondering whether your elevated liver enzymes are a result of increased ketone production, or perhaps relflect some hepatic dysfunction, which would likely impair ketone production.
I know exactly what you're saying... That site was actually one of the quotes from above as well. I really like the way they presented teh info in a very "layman" manner.Very interesting, I was also reading up on it and saw that quite often the LDL-C will increase by 50-100%, but the LDL-P levels were the ones that really made the difference health-wise. The more densely the LDL-C are filled with LDL-P the more likely to create plaque but the less dense LDL-P is not likely to stick and actually improves health. I don't think I am explaining what I read very well.
Rather than try to put it into my own words, check this out.
https://ketodietapp.com/Blog/post/2017/11/07/high-cholesterol-on-a-keto-diet-should-you-be-concerned
Man 30 minutes on the stepper! What level do you do?I know exactly what you're saying... That site was actually one of the quotes from above as well. I really like the way they presented teh info in a very "layman" manner.
And yes, the particle SIZE seems to be far more determinant of danger vs purely the numeric value of LDLc. That said, without the particle size value, I ahve no way of knowing. I will ask this if we do follow-up work (if they ever call back... they still have not - gonna have a nasty call coming their way this afternoon).
Workouts have been par for the course thus far this week. Same structure as last week and lifts are basically the same or very slightly up/down in terms of strength/stamina. 30min stepmill sessions such a fat one tho ha.
That said, i can really see some difference in my upper abs but what it bad/annoying is that while I'm seeing improvement there, my lower ab area seems to have not budged a single mm, nd now almost looks to be protruding like a little fat-belt ha. I've never had such inconsistency top to bottom like this before (always a little slower on the lower, but never to the degree it looks this week!)... all in all though, good progress (finally).
Also, coach is in the hospital (again) and apparently is about to have some serious downtime/surgery(s)/etc so it seems that things will be a bit slow on his end. I'm not all that concerned as I planned to manage things a bit more myself (to ensure progress) anyways so as long as workouts get psoted, I can manage the diet aspects... What's funny is after all the "trial and error", I'm more or less back on a diet 90% similar to what I had been eating myself prior to starting this whole program in Nov.... Calories are basically the same (17-1800), weekly Saturday refeeds, with the only major difference being slightly higher fat and carbs, replacing some protein)... who would've thought that maybe I knew how to do this all along haha
I've been dong level 6... nothing crazy but a nice solid pace. Sweaty as a mofo after that haMan 30 minutes on the stepper! What level do you do?
Ohhh I have that same fat belt! Lol.
Ya it gets the sweat pouring! I was doing just 3-5 min with a 50lb weight vest. It doesn’t seem like much but it doesn’t take long to burn hahaI've been dong level 6... nothing crazy but a nice solid pace. Sweaty as a mofo after that ha
just the vest alone would be like wearing an extra jacket haYa it gets the sweat pouring! I was doing just 3-5 min with a 50lb weight vest. It doesn’t seem like much but it doesn’t take long to burn haha
No, just once a week on saturdays.You weighing daily?
Added cardio works a bit slower than when food is removed for dropping weight on a scale but it should catch up with you, hopefully soon.
Hard to say this week. Noticed the week before but this week seems mostly the same.Changes in body comp?
The bolded is the only reason I eat more than 100-150 a day. I enjoy my protein quite a bit.So I've really been digging and reading a lot, and had a good talk with my coach yesterday as well about diet things... a couple things that came out of both elements:
- we are going to try a FODMAP style diet starting next week to see if we can't work out some of the random bloating and general digestion issues I seem to have. It's interesting because I have an absolute iron gut when it comes to things that "bother" me (never get cramps or pains or sickness from anything - i.e 5 quest bars in a sitting or excessive spicy foods). I do however look and feel very bloated after totally normal meals, but not consistently. For example, this week I have had the exact same meal, within 30min of the same time mon and tuesday. Monday I felt totally fine, woke up looking reasonably tight and no gi distress. Today, went to bed bloated, and feeling almost excessively full, woke up looking like I swallowed a basketball, and can just feel my gut churning around a bit... very odd.
- On the liver side, still waiting (forever) to hear back on the follow up to the follow up (ha) I've really been enjoying seeing all the linkage between the liver function and literally everything... And I'm now curious if some of the digestion and potential glucose tolerance issues that make it harder for me to cut aren't linked to my elevated values... As well, from my research it seems that the very high protein (which will inevitably be circulating in the bloodstream) I tend to eat could be causing undue stress on the liver. Once I hear back from the doc and try out some of the FODMAP stuff, I may significantly lower my protein and try that out for awhile... I'm really only hesitant because I enjoy my protein (chickens and powders alike) so much haha.
yep, im dreading the thought of not getting to sit down to a giant plate of grilled chicken (like 30oz haha) and washing it down with one of the 20482745082475 flavors of protein I have (or following with ice cream)... i dont even remember what its like to NOT eat a diet that's not mostly protein haThe bolded is the only reason I eat more than 100-150 a day. I enjoy my protein quite a bit.
Very curious on the FODMAP and how that goes. I keep trying to get the wife on an elimination diet but it is hard enough to get her to swallow foods she really enjoys much less a very limited menu.
When i get the mindset I am the sameway, just rinse and repeat makes life much easier. When I adjust things now I almost never go through a serious transition like most others seem too. Probably the fasting and always having fats higher than 80g a day when possible.yep, im dreading the thought of not getting to sit down to a giant plate of grilled chicken (like 30oz haha) and washing it down with one of the 20482745082475 flavors of protein I have (or following with ice cream)... i dont even remember what its like to NOT eat a diet that's not mostly protein ha
the advantage for me is a) I could eat literally the exact same 3 foods every day forever without issue (never get "bored") and b) i'm not the slightest bit picky (literally can't think of a single food I wouldn't eat). Makes changing diets very simple
i havent had an ultrasound since I was like 5-6yrs old (when my liver was too big for my body and they thought it was gonna kill me ha)... they were past their hours so i didnt get to talk to the radiology ppl yet but should know more tomorrow hopefully.Best of luck on the diet sir, have helped design some eating routines around it in the past for family and it’s not at all easy to stick to (IMO)
When was your last Ultrasound? Mine was rechecked every 6 months until liver values normalized. They will take a peak at your prostrate size as well, they call it an “abdominal ultrasound?”
At least you are back on the progress path!
Isn't it high time you fire him and get your diet and training moving in a proper way? I mean, you're obviously wasting a lot of time talking to him, waiting for his reply, when you can do all this by yourself with the experience you got.Weight Sat was 184.3lb so down another 1lb... slow but steady.
So today was to be the start of the new diet plan (FODMAP)... got it this morning (2 days later than he said he would, as usual). Well, I look it over and the first GIANT thing I notice is the calories... ~2300... which is about 500 HIGHER than I had finally been responding to. I almost shiit a brick. so of course, now i read deeper and wouldn't you know it, theres both apples and apple juice... which are both basically #1 items NOT to include on a fodmap diet... on top of that, theres 10oz of beef in there (to be fattier) which I explicitly talked to him about eliminating most of my saturated fats weeks ago when my cholesterol came back high...
So basically, the entire "plan" was garbage and I wrote him a big message basically calling all of this out and asking WTF happened here... he answered briefly and said he would tweak it this afternoon (still has not) and then address my concerns in a message later when he had more time... that was at 11a and 12hrs later still nothing.
At this point, I've basically come to the conclusion that I'm going to have to start doing my diet only loosely based on what he says becuase he flat out ignored or forgot too many significant items yet again. He also was confused at my calorie comment (why back up so high) and said he doesnt like prepping a guy at that level and that its closer to his girls preps... Well, who friggin cares what you "like"??? really peeved right now with his disregard for my progress as it seems like he's far more concerned with "sticking to the plan" and "what he likes" than what is ACTUALLY working.
The plan will be to do things as I see fit, and simply jsut not tell him when I'm changing things. If he wants to know, he can look at my logged meals and foods, but otherwise I'm doing what works, not what he "likes" until this beta test (assuming it comes this week) is over. The day the testing is over I'm 100% done with this crap.
yeah thats more or less what I'm doing. I want to stick with him through the beta test supplement becuase I already had him pay for the bloodwork and I'm not gonna just screw him totally out of that as its not cheap and neither would the supps, but at the same time I cannot wait around forever either. As far as changes, I'm taking the majority of the reigns myself when necessary and keeping him informed when I make tweaks or changes so we are at least clear as the testing goes. It is nice to ahve someone to bounce ideas off of occasionally and the training aspect has been good since the intial bit so I'm comfortable with that aspect. Having an objective set of eyes never hurts either, I just need him to be a bit more critical and less "it'll get there" ha.Isn't it high time you fire him and get your diet and training moving in a proper way? I mean, you're obviously wasting a lot of time talking to him, waiting for his reply, when you can do all this by yourself with the experience you got.
Honestly, there has been little progress you have made with this entire coach thing. It's time to take things under control and blast it. Good Luck
I think there are at least a few people here (including me) who would give you honest feedback on your progress and not sugar coat it. Post your progress pics here. A few people will care to give you good advice. lolyeah thats more or less what I'm doing. I want to stick with him through the beta test supplement becuase I already had him pay for the bloodwork and I'm not gonna just screw him totally out of that as its not cheap and neither would the supps, but at the same time I cannot wait around forever either. As far as changes, I'm taking the majority of the reigns myself when necessary and keeping him informed when I make tweaks or changes so we are at least clear as the testing goes. It is nice to ahve someone to bounce ideas off of occasionally and the training aspect has been good since the intial bit so I'm comfortable with that aspect. Having an objective set of eyes never hurts either, I just need him to be a bit more critical and less "it'll get there" ha.
I'm gonna try to put more pics and such in here as time allows (seems like my project isn't going to be nearly as hectic as I thought which is nice) so that you guys can help more too. I'm really using this year as a "fail fast" kind of tinkering as I've tried more, different, and dramatic things than I have in quite a long time. Some great, some awful, but all learning.
wow yeah thats pretty sad. this whole thing has just been a major letdown on almost every aspect of "coaching"I stopped checking in three weeks ago, no messages asking what’s up or anything. Just the workouts continuing to be updated with zero input from me haha. I’m going to see how long it takes him to say something but yea, I’m done
Right, this is exactly what I planned (maybe didn't make that clear above)... will continue to baseline from the plans he proposes, but where I feel changes need to be made they will be and communicated accurately. Even if he were to do it himself we would not be keeping diet 100% constant anyways so the changes from my tweaks vs his wont actually make a difference in terms of the validity of the results. THey would be skewed by dietary changes regardless. Realistically, outside of a controlled study, every "beta test" is with people doing their own diets and usually even workouts so the results from those are always subject to personalization. I think the major aspects he's concerned about reporting would be dramatic things like muscle gain in a deficit and anything positive hormonal (test boosting, etc).If you aren't going to follow his directions on diet then waiting to see what is up through the beta testing is going to be a bit odd. YOu will be giving him results from the effects of the diet changes you make, and not what it has to offer. I would probably tell him that he simply hasn't been able to hold up his end of the deal and time is short. You need to take the diet into your own hands since he won't listen but you don't mind testing his product.
If he doesn't like that then back out and do your own thing. He is the one who has not once met a deadline or kept a promise. You walking out wouldn't be you leaving him stuck out, it would simply be you refusing to be strung along any further.
Got ya, okay, I didn't realize you were going to communicate to him that you were changing his diet up to fit your needs. Was thinking if all the sudden you start making progress he might attribute that to the product and not the changes you made.Right, this is exactly what I planned (maybe didn't make that clear above)... will continue to baseline from the plans he proposes, but where I feel changes need to be made they will be and communicated accurately. Even if he were to do it himself we would not be keeping diet 100% constant anyways so the changes from my tweaks vs his wont actually make a difference in terms of the validity of the results. THey would be skewed by dietary changes regardless. Realistically, outside of a controlled study, every "beta test" is with people doing their own diets and usually even workouts so the results from those are always subject to personalization. I think the major aspects he's concerned about reporting would be dramatic things like muscle gain in a deficit and anything positive hormonal (test boosting, etc).
well he was already attributing the progress to a calorie level 500 above what I am actually at (I finally sorted this out this morning with him as apparently he was looking at the wrong diet plan - someone else's - when he did mine this week... derp) so that's not much of a stretch to think haGot ya, okay, I didn't realize you were going to communicate to him that you were changing his diet up to fit your needs. Was thinking if all the sudden you start making progress he might attribute that to the product and not the changes you made.
Sounds like your coach is attempting to do something he dont know sh1t about. Seems to me if you're gonna try to make a living off of getting people results you oughtta be able to adjust your plan and figure out what gets results and do that. He just sounds like a dummywell he was already attributing the progress to a calorie level 500 above what I am actually at (I finally sorted this out this morning with him as apparently he was looking at the wrong diet plan - someone else's - when he did mine this week... derp) so that's not much of a stretch to think ha
haha yeah this one was more just a "human error" type of thing, but there have certainly been some "stubborn" issues throughoutSounds like your coach is attempting to do something he dont know sh1t about. Seems to me if you're gonna try to make a living off of getting people results you oughtta be able to adjust your plan and figure out what gets results and do that. He just sounds like a dummy
The biggest one is his refusal to allow you to diet at an effective and comfortable caloric level for yourself. I get it I just gained 6lbs on less than 2400 a day, and most would consider that a massive deficit for a 214lb guy with my muscle mass. Some people just have very efficient bodies and simply don't need that many calories...haha yeah this one was more just a "human error" type of thing, but there have certainly been some "stubborn" issues throughout
The curse of efficiency haThe biggest one is his refusal to allow you to diet at an effective and comfortable caloric level for yourself. I get it I just gained 6lbs on less than 2400 a day, and most would consider that a massive deficit for a 214lb guy with my muscle mass. Some people just have very efficient bodies and simply don't need that many calories...
No doubt... funny thing is I can drop another 300-400 cals a day and lean out quite quickly. My caloric jumps don't have to be as big to make a difference. So I am lucky in that aspect, but many would balk at the idea of dropping my calories to 2000...The curse of efficiency ha
Yep I'm the same... the other thing too is that I seem to get the same results from changes for much longer periods of time than most. Bulking or cutting, I can steadily gain or lose sometimes for months without making much if any changes.No doubt... funny thing is I can drop another 300-400 cals a day and lean out quite quickly. My caloric jumps don't have to be as big to make a difference. So I am lucky in that aspect, but many would balk at the idea of dropping my calories to 2000...