Black lion. Follidrone. Worth it?
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TN Lift
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No offense but taking test and deca for someone that doesn't even have their diet / training in check probably isn't the best decision. Get those in check, maybe drop a little body fat, then consider your options. PH/AAS route will have lots of sides and if you don't know how to eat a proper diet, then you will most likely lose the gains made during the cycle. The best and most safe option for you right now would definitely be follidrone since it doesn't have sides.
Firstcycle
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I thank you good sir. And I work shift work. So the diet is a challenge but I just need to read more thank you
brundel
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You can get results you see from just diet and cardio/ training volume changes.
Supplements are meant to augment this not to be the primary mover. I can look like a different person in a few weeks with diet and cardio changes.
It doesnt take years.
What does take years is appreciable lean muscle mass. Drugs or no drugs. Supps or no supps. Keeping in mind havoc and deca are drugs with significant sides and health risks involved. Some potentially long term. Many of them require concurrent use of other drugs to mitigate side effects.
Not understanding what to do and take will prove disastrous.
Safe is something like FOllidrone.
Havoc/deca or any other AAS has risks. PARTICULARLY oral steroids. THis includes the ones you buy over the counter. THey are still steroids.
You have to do it the "old fashioned way" no matter what. Even steroids are not gonna just make you into a bodybuilder.
Even if you gain 20lbs on your first cycle youll lose all the water and fat gained and keep perhaps a few lbs of muscle.
This is if you continue to eat increased calories and continue to train hard and run a solid PCT.
Doing this and a dozen other things over a decade = big.
I was 135 and grew to lean 235. I used everything I could think of. It still took over 10 years with an intelligent educated approach.
The plan is long term not short term. Bodybuilding is a marathon not a sprint.
fightnews
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Great post and so true but worth the effort, I can attest once you build the muscle its yours, even if you stop lifting for a while and shrink down when you start back again it comes right back.
brundel
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Yes sir.
It was supposed to be shipped to us today but something happened when they were weighing everything and the numbers were off from what I shipped.
Need to sort it out but I expect only a couple days more before itll ship to us. We will start pre sales then.
IN fact....if you go to strong supplements you can pre order right now.
Guaranteed a bottle.
It was supposed to be shipped to us today but something happened when they were weighing everything and the numbers were off from what I shipped.
Need to sort it out but I expect only a couple days more before itll ship to us. We will start pre sales then.
IN fact....if you go to strong supplements you can pre order right now.
Guaranteed a bottle.
Colbert
Active member
dallasboy22 - You are from Dallas (username) and you went to OU?
Anyways, an IFBB pro that uses GH and anabolic steroids and he is known the have a perfect diet year around and train insanely posted pictures on another forum and said that he 3 out of his 6lbs of weight gain was probably muscle and that was over a year. Take his results and your results into consideration.
Unless you have a dexa scan scan with your before and after weight I doubt that you have actually gained that much muscle. +4lbs on maintenance diet is also a lot. Muscle gain comes from....never mind.
brundel
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This doesnt apply to the vast majority of trainers.
An ifbb pro is likely at or near his absolute assisted potential. I know many ifbb pros and train with one every day. He doesnt gain anything really overall.
Granted contest hes 250ish an non contest hes 270-80 but those numbers remain consistent.
This is similar for most top teir or large pros. The body can only gain so much.
Now...a guy who weighs 190....can still gain approx 60-80lbs under the best circumstances at an approx height of 5'10. Obviously other factors play a role amd this isnt a perfect exsmple.
The point...a small guy working his way up might gain 10-20 lbs in a year. Of muscle. Again under the best circumstances...with lots of supps. This is 1-2 lbs per month. Perfect world scenerio.
10lbs on any kind of cycle including fd is reasonable.
20-30 on a solid inject cycle is easy stuff.
Its not all muscle though.
Nobody thinks they gain 10-30lbs of muscle in a month or two. Its impossible...but the same goes for anything. Anadrol. Dbol. Test. Tren you name it.
Much is transient.
Doesnt mean the weight gain is useless or not happening. Everything contributes.
An ifbb pro is likely at or near his absolute assisted potential. I know many ifbb pros and train with one every day. He doesnt gain anything really overall.
Granted contest hes 250ish an non contest hes 270-80 but those numbers remain consistent.
This is similar for most top teir or large pros. The body can only gain so much.
Now...a guy who weighs 190....can still gain approx 60-80lbs under the best circumstances at an approx height of 5'10. Obviously other factors play a role amd this isnt a perfect exsmple.
The point...a small guy working his way up might gain 10-20 lbs in a year. Of muscle. Again under the best circumstances...with lots of supps. This is 1-2 lbs per month. Perfect world scenerio.
10lbs on any kind of cycle including fd is reasonable.
20-30 on a solid inject cycle is easy stuff.
Its not all muscle though.
Nobody thinks they gain 10-30lbs of muscle in a month or two. Its impossible...but the same goes for anything. Anadrol. Dbol. Test. Tren you name it.
Much is transient.
Doesnt mean the weight gain is useless or not happening. Everything contributes.
dondon
Member
Brundel, I'm on my 7th day of Follidrone, stuffs amazing. I did a cardio class yesterday which I haven't done in 6 weeks, I didn't run or do any kind of cardio in those 6 weeks, all I did was lift. I was able to do a 12% incline on the treadmill at 7.0 speed at 1 minute intervals, then ground work. To my amazement I burned 1275 calories in 1 hour (we have heart monitors that display our calories and averages on a big TV screen). I thought I would really die in this class especially for the fact I missed 6 weeks, but I held my own. I'm 5'9 200 lbs, 10% fat and I'm 45 yrs old. I have also been on Viron for 2 weeks now and Formeron for months. Follidrone is a whole new animal.
fightbackhxc
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I just want to see some photos. I think everyone logging should have to provide before after pics
ma70
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Most of the logs are unsponsored, so I wouldn't say people HAVE to provide anything...but it would be a plus.
Joshlm69
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You seem to be one of the most negative and skeptical people on the forum when it comes to BLR, any reason?
Piston Honda
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Pics may create MORE demand...could be a good thing
Touey
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the thing is there're too many people, from Countries all over the world quite honestly, which have now reported virtually the same results.
Joshlm69
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kisaj
Legend
Oh, I know that and like I said, no one has any reason to lie about it. Just that pics can help that 1 or 2 people still on the fence (lol) to get in line.
T-Bone
Banned
You seem like a defender of follidrone and I don't think fightbackhxc has been negative at all towards BLR. He is just skeptical which it seems you turn around and twist into saying he is negative. Any reason why you defend follidrone so much?. How long have you been taking supplements?. How long have you been immersed in the supplement industry?. What is your background in this area?.
Joshlm69
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It just seems in every BLR thread he seems to be extremely skeptical, almost offputting.
I realise the point you are trying to make about a lot of supplements have hype and good marketing and end up being duds, so scepticism is completely founded, he just seems to constantly voice his scepticism on multiple occasions which I feel doesnt helps anyone out.
Peppers
Banned
Your obsessed with BLR and Riding Brundells nuts. Lol
It annoys me to keep seeing all of your posts.
GTFO, go join evo or bb.com
Joshlm69
Well-known member
Nawwww look, its the little keyboard warrior again, how cute. No friends to play with in the real world?
poor babyJoshlm69
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I haven't ever raved or at the same time discredited it. I am yet to pass judgement. All I have done is show my excitement for the product and told people not to flame it who themselves haven't taken it yet
grocker
Member
What annoys me is seeing everyone riding Coops, PES, Evo, and SNS nuts. It's annoying how if Coop approves a supplement, it must be awesome. Nothing against him. He's a sharp dude but dam get off his nuts already. Same with Dsade or any product he puts out. Nothing against either of them. I've used both of their products but **** is ridiculous. Perfect example is when Folli and Myo came out, Coop said Myo is more well round than Folli cuz of the extra stuff so everyone riding his nuts went and purchased Myo without questioning it. Folli works awesome without the extra goodies yet it's placebo so his nuthuggers won't touch it.
I understand that I might look like I'm nuthugging Brundel, but let's face it, Follidrone works dam well on it's own. I have jumped on ever hype train that's been started here on AM. I've jumped on a lot of insider deals and new releases that were hyped up here at AM only to be disappointed. I've have used a lot of hyped up stacks that are currently recommended here and none have produced the results that Follidrone alone has produced. All I did was throw away a bunch of cash.
There's no point going over to BB.com cuz the same nuthuggers are there too.
brundel
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Good stuff bro.
Yah when you start to get over 40 test levels play a huge role in things.
Formeron and Viron will really work to keep test up.
Follidrone is likely the reason for the added endurance as you have probably seen in logs and reviews.
Im certainly a formeron junkie. Its very good stuff.
Peppers
Banned
I'm not saying BLR products aren't legit.
I have SNS products, BLR, Finaflex, Vital labs, LGI, CEL, etc etc etc in my cabinet. I don't care what company makes a product, as long as it's legit.
This guy is just annoying, bottom line.
Brundell started his threads on his products to answer questions consumers may have. Sure all of us members of AM can chime in, but damn.
mase1
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I will try folli one day when expenses allow it, waiting for my third baby now, lol. Can't disagree with all of the positive logs, just a little over board with hype. Don't have to sell me your opinion, just it works great on endurance and added some weight, all I need to hear.
abformulations
Legend
I agree.
Sometimes people tend to talk about non sense like if their getting paid or gaining something from it.
I hate when they clog up threads and I have to scroll down pages just to get real info.
De__eB
Well-known member
A lot of the skepticism over new supplements comes down to two general archetypes of people around forums.
The Scientist and the Practitioner.
Compare forum response to the following two things:
1). (-)-epicatechin, which has no placebo controlled human trials whatsoever and is being marketed solely on theoretical and anecdotal evidence. The one non-placebo controlled human study was fully funded by the pharmaceutical company that has patents on (-)-epicatechin and is currently recruiting for another human study. But the user reports have been outstanding indicating incredible results.
The Practitioners love it and say you can't argue with all of these awesome anecdotal results that every user is reporting.
The scientist says slow the **** down lets get some real evidence.
2). HMB Free-Acid, which has a recent placebo-controlled peer reviewed human trial clearly demonstrating an overwhelmingly beneficial outcome in both strength and lean body mass, as well as multiple other recent human trials, and multiple other forthcoming published papers.
Practitioners say these results are insane and impossible because anecdotally they've never experienced or seen those kinds of results.
Science people say, but the study was well-designed and appears to control for all of the relevant variables, so the results are what they are.
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Neither camp of people is inherently wrong in their beliefs.
Practitioners have been burned by numerous novel ingredients that lacked clinical evidence but had lots of positive 'beta test' reviews.
Scientists have been burned by numerous ingredients where the clinical studies indicated they would work, but the result didn't carry over to the masses in uncontrolled settings.
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Just some thoughts on why these sorts of debates and skepticism happen revolving around every single new ingredient that shows up in the industry.
grocker
Member
Yes, you're right. Sorry. I apologize for that rant.
kisaj
Legend
People giving their experience and providing workout logs should not be misconstrued as hype. If people are saying it works better than anything they have tried, that is their experience and very valid at that.
kisaj
Legend
I think we get where you are coming from. Just hope those scientists hurry with their research to tell us what we are finding out on our own.
brundel
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Wasnt really pointed at you but I appreciate you helping us keep our discussions polite and intelligent.
brundel
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I have been in contact with the authors of 2 studies currently underway.
1 for MS and 1 for Sarcopenia.
THings look pretty positive although only one of them is being 100% open with results. The other is hinting at things but with a wink wink at the end.
Soon.....there will be ALOT of viable research available regarding both muscle mass accumulation and strength increases.
akazo
New member
I see where you are coming from but I disagree. I was very skeptical but I never posted a negative thing about it until i TRIED IT. Turns out it works very well for me. I have been burned by many supps over the years but I still like to try out new things.
So, I would suggest that people quit posting opinions until they try the supplement. If they try it and it doesn't work, fine. But to bash something with no good faith basis for doing so is stupid and childish. Not directing this at you, just at some of the garbage on this forum in general.
kissdadookie
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kisaj
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Very encouraging to hear for some I am sure. And by "for some" I am obviously talking about those that have not yet tried it.
goodvibes
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Now if you could only churn this chit out faster
I've been following the threads and man FD is making some huge waves. Lots of hate & love goin on. I think most of the negativity is coming in because they just can't get their hands on FD. LOL! :17:
Sorry to rub it in but the minute I had my hand on two bottles I've just been sittin back and enjoying the drama unfolds
kissdadookie
Well-known member
It's ok. I'm planning on running it in the fall, so hopefully it's not so stock constrained around that time when I try to buy some
brundel
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By fall we will have solid stock.
This 1000 will go relatively fast but alot of guys bought 2-5 bottles on the last batch so...there may be a little relief.
I ordered another 2000 to ship behind it.
Ill order 4000 behind this. I may try to do 4k this next run if I can afford it.
This 1000 will go relatively fast but alot of guys bought 2-5 bottles on the last batch so...there may be a little relief.
I ordered another 2000 to ship behind it.
Ill order 4000 behind this. I may try to do 4k this next run if I can afford it.
Jiigzz
Legend
Seeing as I couldn't get any follidrone, I went and bought two bottles of MASSterone. I get the dose isn't the same so the two products may not be able to be compared but if I have time I will be logging.
I am meticulous with diet and training; so it be interesting to see the kind of response I get.
I am meticulous with diet and training; so it be interesting to see the kind of response I get.
mw1
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Should have waited for Epicatadrol