Black lion. Follidrone. Worth it?

brundel said:
It is good to be me.
Thanks for reminding me.


I should celebrate.
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Good for you in a supplement world of sour grapes. I hope for your sake people continue to point out why to buy your products because it's the consumer that wins.
 
kisaj said:
Good for you in a supplement world of sour grapes. I hope for your sake people continue to point out why to buy your products because it's the consumer that wins.
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Plus everyone likes a company that brings new things to the table... Not one that brings other companies stuff to the table after slapping a different label on it.
 
Exactly my point. All the comments are saying that if you want innovative and an owner that is listening to the users, go this route. If others weren't threatened, they'd pay no mind.
 
There are some interesting things coming.....

Im not gonna spill the beans but one will be a very new application of something old. Its gonna dominate anything thats come before it. Like.....make it obsolete.

Also a pre workout. Its going to be different for sure.
Most likely we wont have any of the common ingredients. If you want beta alanine or creatine you can buy it in bulk from several online sources.

In fact....anything common you use alot...just buy it in bulk. There are several sites that sell 100-25000g
Of just about anything. Doesnt need a label.
Just buy a 10$ scale and make your own creatine. Agmatine. Citrulline. Betaine....etc. cheap as hell.
 
brundel said:
There are some interesting things coming.....

Im not gonna spill the beans but one will be a very new application of something old. Its gonna dominate anything thats come before it. Like.....make it obsolete.

Also a pre workout. Its going to be different for sure.
Most likely we wont have any of the common ingredients. If you want beta alanine or creatine you can buy it in bulk from several online sources.

In fact....anything common you use alot...just buy it in bulk. There are several sites that sell 100-25000g
Of just about anything. Doesnt need a label.
Just buy a 10$ scale and make your own creatine. Agmatine. Citrulline. Betaine....etc. cheap as hell.
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EXACTLY!!! Tired of seeing bulk ingredients in pre workouts that you can buy individually. I want my $30 a tub to go towards novel ingredients that I cannot get myself. Stuff that is not cheap in bulk and/or not available. **** that isn't in every other preworkout.
 
SauceMonkey22 said:
Question: not sure if its been converted but scientifically what's myostatins role in fat loss? I know inhibition leads to better muscle growth (hence why Folli is great to bulk on and why some are making gains in a deficit or maintenance)

I ask because I'm now in a 700 kcal deficit and nearing that last but of stubborn body fat in the lower abs. Trying to get to 6-7% so debating tossing maybe 1 cap in pre cardio or pre workout then 2 caps when reverse diet and long term bulk begins. But I don't want to waste Folli of I'll be cutting for another 2-4 weeks.

If its in a thread somewhere someone just point me in the direction and I'll kook but there's like 4 15+ page threads now lol.

Cliffs:

1) Folli for pure fat loss in a large deficit?

2) 1 cap or 2 for this purpose

3) or just wait

4) myostatins role in fat loss
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SauceMonkey22 said:
Hmmm so starting Folli during vacation seems like a good idea to prevent muscle wasting and fat storage. Hawaiian buffets are evil ya know
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I don't think myostatin actually directly impacts fat loss though :P It appears that myostatin expression is altered between having more bf vs less bf. So perhaps if Folli does what it claims to do, it may have signalling properties in the body from the altered myostatin expression which could possibly nudge the odds in your favour?
 
SauceMonkey22 said:
Every review / log you review people are recomping left and right so I figured in a large deficit it could still bring about potent fat loss benefitd
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Probably? Since if the stuff works the way it's supposed to, you should be physically increasing actual muscle mass which of course makes you a better furnace for burning energy :P
 
SauceMonkey22 said:
Question: not sure if its been converted but scientifically what's myostatins role in fat loss? I know inhibition leads to better muscle growth (hence why Folli is great to bulk on and why some are making gains in a deficit or maintenance)

I ask because I'm now in a 700 kcal deficit and nearing that last but of stubborn body fat in the lower abs. Trying to get to 6-7% so debating tossing maybe 1 cap in pre cardio or pre workout then 2 caps when reverse diet and long term bulk begins. But I don't want to waste Folli of I'll be cutting for another 2-4 weeks.

If its in a thread somewhere someone just point me in the direction and I'll kook but there's like 4 15+ page threads now lol.

Cliffs:

1) Folli for pure fat loss in a large deficit?

2) 1 cap or 2 for this purpose

3) or just wait

4) myostatins role in fat loss
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  • [SUP]1[/SUP]Laboratorio de Investigacion Integral Cardiometabolica ESM-IPN Santo Tomas. Mexico City Mexico
  • [SUP]2[/SUP]Department of Medicine UCSD La Jolla CA United States

[h=2]Abstract[/h] Background. Obesity associates with cardiometabolic disruptions. Lifestyle changes and pharmacologic therapies show moderately effective results. (-)-Epicatechin (EPI), the most abundant flavanol in cacao, has been associated with better cardiometabolic health. Objective. To assess the effect of EPI in humans and explain findings through a preclinical study. Methods. In humans, we performed a single-dose of EPI oral metabolic tolerance test and a 1-week trial, measuring cardiometabolic endpoints. In rats, we induced weight gain and cardiometabolic disruptions by a high-fat diet; afterwards, EPI was daily administered for 15 days. Weight gain, glycemia, arterial pressure, triglyceridemia, and HDL-cholesterol were measured; also, immonublot in skeletal muscle and adipose tissue were performed. Results. EPI enhanced lipid oxidation and attenuated hyperglycemia and hypertriglyceridemia during postprandial metabolism. EPI induced weight-loss, fat loss, and improved cardiometabolic endpoints in humans. In rats, EPI reduced weight gain, blood triglycerides, and hyperglycemia. EPI increased the expression of sirtuins, PCG-1α, mitofilin, UCP. Conclusions. EPI improved several cardiometabolic risk factors in both humans and animals by modulating energy metabolism. These findings make EPI an attractive candidate for human use in regards of treating obesity and its associated comorbidities.
 
Joshlm69 said:
Wish I had taken my follidrone to portugal now :(
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You should have! I just got back from my 8 days beach holiday and the only supp that I took was 2 Follidrone each morning upon wakening. Had a 24 hrs pump all my holiday and I did not lift any weights! My gf was asking a few times if I was flexing or working my muscles or something, even last night on the plane going home she asked it again when she was holding my arm.
So for me Follidrone works as a 24 hrs NO booster even when I am not doing any exercises.
 
Piston Honda said:
Just because you can, I'm not sure it means you should!
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Lol this.

I started having a hard time recovering in time so I laid out my lifts ahead of time and scheduled weekly rep/weight increases.

If I went as long/hard as I could I would be overtrained in a week
 
SauceMonkey22 said:
Well I figured fuggit its a refeed day anyway. I did a "mock meet" full body workout. At 148 lbs I got 325 squat, a PR, a 405 Deadlift and a 280 bench, also a PR. 1,000 lb club! Finally. A full year training for it and I got it while dieting. Very happy for myself

Placebo is strong lol but I'll take all day
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As you probably know there is a whole thread dedicated to this :)
Must be driving the placebo effect because its working very well ;)
 
Jumping in on this Follidrone train. I was very skeptical at first. Endurance increased slowly during the first 4 weeks. I wasn't too impressed but decided to stick with my plan for an 8 week run. It hit hard at week 5! Took me by surprise as I'm an old dog!

Recovery is markedly improved. DOMS heals in half the normal time. I'm also seeing my energy is up later in the day. Eating at about maintenance and waist is holding at 34 1/2 relaxed. I'm holding off on measurements until week 8. Totally skeptical but seeing and feeling effects. Feeling like this has more a cutter/recomp effect.

I'm not a rep or affiliated with BLR and I highly recommend Follidrone. Try it, you will like it!
 
I have a few bottles of Epi products on there way; I will be doing a review if not logging, with a very structured diet (maintenance) and a training plan I will not alter prior or during my run.

I don't get why people are hating on skeptics. This is what ive taken from these threads:

-Users report effects from 1st day, noone questions
-Danes says he is experiencing nothing after 3 days, people flame he hasnt given it long enough

So why are positive reviews after one day welcomed, but negative after 3 flamed

Just let him rant- the product will speak for itself. If it doesnt work for him, let it go.
 
Yeah, this product speaks for itself. The passion is interesting to read, but I hate when it gets into negative discussions. Try it and you almost certainly will be really impressed- or don't try it and move on.
 
kisaj said:
Yeah, this product speaks for itself. The passion is interesting to read, but I hate when it gets into negative discussions. Try it and you almost certainly will be really impressed- or don't try it and move on.
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For sure, and i hope to experience this for myself.

:D
 
Jiigzz said:
I have a few bottles of Epi products on there way; I will be doing a review if not logging, with a very structured diet (maintenance) and a training plan I will not alter prior or during my run.

I don't get why people are hating on skeptics. This is what ive taken from these threads:

-Users report effects from 1st day, noone questions
-Danes says he is experiencing nothing after 3 days, people flame he hasnt given it long enough

So why are positive reviews after one day welcomed, but negative after 3 flamed

Just let him rant- the product will speak for itself. If it doesnt work for him, let it go.
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Personally, I don't care if it works for him or not. There's nothing about his physique, training, or irrational rants that lead me to believe that his experience with any supplement would in any way correlate with mine. I doubt very few people in this thread care if Follidrone works for him or not. I think what people may have issue with is his declaration that anyone that gains strength or weight from Follidrone is either experiencing a placebo effect or outright lying.

I would also suggest that based on what I can glean from his pics and comments on his training, he's not getting much benefit from either the phosphatidic acid or bulbine that he speaks so highly of.
 
tony soprano said:
Personally, I don't care if it works for him or not. There's nothing about his physique, training, or irrational rants that lead me to believe that his experience with any supplement would in any way correlate with mine. I doubt very few people in this thread care if Follidrone works for him or not. I think what people may have issue with is his declaration that anyone that gains strength or weight from Follidrone is either experiencing a placebo effect or outright lying.

I would also suggest that based on what I can glean from his pics and comments on his training, he's not getting much benefit from either the phosphatidic acid or bulbine that he speaks so highly of.
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I hope this is a joke. Are you seriously telling me his opinion is void because his lifts dont impress you? Or because his body doesnt arouse you? Do you think most people on AM fit the bill for an ideal physique? Or that all follidrone users look like Arnold?

Pull your head out. Its one guys opinion. Move on

This has got to be trolling
 
Jiigzz said:
I hope this is a joke. Are you seriously telling me his opinion is void because his lifts dont impress you? Or because his body doesnt arouse you? Do you think most people on AM fit the bill for an ideal physique? Or that all follidrone users look like Arnold?

Pull your head out. Its one guys opinion. Move on

This has got to be trolling
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Actually Sparky, I've expressed multiple reasons why his opinion is void to me. The fact that his opinion runs counter to a number of people in this forum whose lifts do impress me, or have actually built a physique, is just one of them.

Do you guys give Danes free product to plug your bulbine? I can't say that it's done anything for him in the gym but he says he's got a mad libido.
 
tony soprano said:
Actually Sparky, I've expressed multiple reasons why his opinion is void to me. The fact that his opinion runs counter to a number of people in this forum whose lifts do impress me, or have actually built a physique, is just one of them.

Do you guys give Danes free product to plug your bulbine? I can't say that it's done anything for him in the gym but he says he's got a mad libido.
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So because he reponds differently to a product that people enjoy, hes lying? Strong logic
 
tony soprano said:
You have Epi on the way. Why don't you post your own before and after pics?
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Im not the one challenging someone elses hardwork over a supplements credibility.

Edit: this will soon turn into a ****ing match; it just irks me when people have the audasity to dismiss someones hardwork or downright insult them over a difference of opinion. Brundel can handle the callout/ critics (which he handles well).

I will now unsub from the thread but feel free to PM me if you so wish
 
Jiigzz said:
Im not the one challenging someone elses hardwork over a supplements credibility.
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You're assuming hard work. He very well could be a couch potato. If you're keen on before/after pics you may want to lurk in the Follidrone transformation thread.
 
tony soprano said:
You're assuming hard work. He very well could be a couch potato. If you're keen on before/after pics you may want to lurk in the Follidrone transformation thread.
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I will just clear the air here; I did not mean to imply I that i think follidrone doesnt work. I havent even tried it. Just wondering why you would doubt a persons opinion based on your perception of them.

I will be lurking in that thread :)
 
Jiigzz said:
Im not the one challenging someone elses hardwork over a supplements credibility.

Edit: this will soon turn into a ****ing match; it just irks me when people have the audasity to dismiss someones hardwork or downright insult them over a difference of opinion. Brundel can handle the callout/ critics (which he handles well).

I will now unsub from the thread but feel free to PM me if you so wish
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Yeah, I can definitely see how it might irk someone to hear that because their results with a supplement differed from the results experienced from a seeming couch potato, that said results must be a placebo effect or an outright lie. The audacity of it all.
 
tony soprano said:
Actually Sparky, I've expressed multiple reasons why his opinion is void to me. The fact that his opinion runs counter to a number of people in this forum whose lifts do impress me, or have actually built a physique, is just one of them.

Do you guys give Danes free product to plug your bulbine? I can't say that it's done anything for him in the gym but he says he's got a mad libido.
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Danes has never received any free product or even samples from SNS
 
brundel said:
As you probably know there is a whole thread dedicated to this :)
Must be driving the placebo effect because its working very well ;)
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Do you think your product would be effective on a powerlifting style protocol or it's best used on pure bb training?
 
brundel said:
As you probably know there is a whole thread dedicated to this :)
Must be driving the placebo effect because its working very well ;)
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Do you think your product would be effective on a powerlifting style protocol or it's best used on pure bb training?
 
amarula said:
Do you think your product would be effective on a powerlifting style protocol or it's best used on pure bb training?
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I think its more noticeable probably with higher rep ranges just because there is more room to work with.
For example, if your performing singles or doubles you need a 100% increase or 50% to see another rep. Its alot even for Follidrone.
Plenty of guys have seen more reps on their 1rm though.
If, however, you were in the 15 -20 rep range you could add another rep every week for 12 weeks to every exercise most likely
Add a rep every week and once you can get 20 add weight and continue.

either way it will work well.
 
Firstcycle said:
Any more users on here make good gains or results off this?
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Check out my log and there's a good 3-4 others within who have links to theirs as well within their signature. I won't sway you either way as the videos and pictures should speak for themselves.
 
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