The Arachidonic Acid Help Guide

horizons said:
I still can't bring myself to take this stuff due to it's unhealthy nature and risk of previous injury flare up

Taking loads of omega 6 when your body doesn't need it, just to get some possible gains, doesn't sit well with me

Then again I've taken some shady stimulants in the past :/
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Its only 1.5g my man. Think of it this way, I eat 130g of fat on any given day. 1.5g is hardly significant in terms of ill effects.

Not to mention a new study showing it has positive effects on heart disease (I'll have to find out where I saved this study) and numerous safety studies showing no negative effects on various markers at up to 50 days of continuous use.

What exactly do you perceive to be 'unhealthy' about it?
 
horizons said:
I still can't bring myself to take this stuff due to it's unhealthy nature and risk of previous injury flare up Taking loads of omega 6 when your body doesn't need it, just to get some possible gains, doesn't sit well with me Then again I've taken some shady stimulants in the past :/
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Thanks for your thoughts, Dr. Oz .
 
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Plus examine has a detailed analysis on its effects on various things
 
Jiigzz said:
Its only 1.5g my man. Think of it this way, I eat 130g of fat on any given day. 1.5g is hardly significant in terms of ill effects.

Not to mention a new study showing it has positive effects on heart disease (I'll have to find out where I saved this study) and numerous safety studies showing no negative effects on various markers at up to 50 days of continuous use.

What exactly do you perceive to be 'unhealthy' about it?
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Taking omega 6 in big doses just seems unhealthy when it's the fat you want to have in your diet but not that much.

This is interesting..
 
horizons said:
Taking omega 6 in big doses just seems unhealthy when it's the fat you want to have in your diet but not that much.

This is interesting..
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At 1.5g on workout days, the net effect won't be very great in terms of ill effects. Obviously though, if you're not comfortable using Ara, then there are other options for you out there. Remember though that 1.5-2g isnt actually a lot of fat; its a drop in the bucket compared to what you should be aiming for. The reason I made this thread was so that the Ara would be directed EXACTLY to where it would serve the most purpose at the smallest possible dose.

We get Ara in the diet, but because we ingest it with other foods, it doesnt neccessarily go to where we want it to go because of the corresponding rise in insulin that will shuttle it elsewhere. But when we supplement with it and create the ideal environment for it to get to where we want it; it can exert huge effects at a small dose shown not to cause issue when run for the recommended duration.
 
Anyone get headaches while taking ArA?

I just started last Wednesday. 1g on workout days. All 3 workouts it was tough at first to keep going due the pounding headache. Also, taking 2g LCLT and 3g of GMS.
 
jumpin jack said:
Anyone get headaches while taking ArA? I just started last Wednesday. 1g on workout days. All 3 workouts it was tough at first to keep going due the pounding headache. Also, taking 2g LCLT and 3g of GMS.
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I did at first, I added in baby aspirin and they went away. I'm not sure if the aspirin helped or they just happened to go away when I added it but either way I was happy.
 
jumpin jack said:
Thanks. I assume you took the baby aspirin at the same time as ARA?
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Yes, I replaced the carnitine with a baby aspirin. Sometimes I just took both, I don't think you're supposed to but I'm still alive. My headaches came at night, like 10-12 hours after taking the ArA, so I also tried ibuprofen which helped, but I didn't want to get in that habit since it's not recommended when taking ArA. It sucks, but do what you can to get through it because ArA is about as good as it gets supplementwise.
 
jumpin jack said:
Anyone get headaches while taking ArA? I just started last Wednesday. 1g on workout days. All 3 workouts it was tough at first to keep going due the pounding headache. Also, taking 2g LCLT and 3g of GMS.
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Headaches can happen to some. If they continue happening, lower dose to one or two gels a day, and slowly increase.
 
jumpin jack said:
Anyone get headaches while taking ArA?

I just started last Wednesday. 1g on workout days. All 3 workouts it was tough at first to keep going due the pounding headache. Also, taking 2g LCLT and 3g of GMS.
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Lower the dose and slowly work back up. Headaches are common, especially initially as there seems to be a shift in the prostaglandin ratio. Atfer a few days they seem to dissipate.
 
todd muelheim said:
Yes, I replaced the carnitine with a baby aspirin. Sometimes I just took both, I don't think you're supposed to but I'm still alive. My headaches came at night, like 10-12 hours after taking the ArA, so I also tried ibuprofen which helped, but I didn't want to get in that habit since it's not recommended when taking ArA. It sucks, but do what you can to get through it because ArA is about as good as it gets supplementwise.
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kbayne said:
Headaches can happen to some. If they continue happening, lower dose to one or two gels a day, and slowly increase.
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Jiigzz said:
Lower the dose and slowly work back up. Headaches are common, especially initially as there seems to be a shift in the prostaglandin ratio. Atfer a few days they seem to dissipate.
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Thanks to each of you for the quick replies. Might try baby aspirin with it tomorrow. If that doesnt help, I will lower dose and slowly work it back up.
 
jumpin jack said:
Thanks to each of you for the quick replies. Might try baby aspirin with it tomorrow. If that doesnt help, I will lower dose and slowly work it back up.
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It wont help with the headaches unfortunately. Starting lower is your best option
 
Jiigzz said:
At 1.5g on workout days, the net effect won't be very great in terms of ill effects. Obviously though, if you're not comfortable using Ara, then there are other options for you out there. Remember though that 1.5-2g isnt actually a lot of fat; its a drop in the bucket compared to what you should be aiming for. The reason I made this thread was so that the Ara would be directed EXACTLY to where it would serve the most purpose at the smallest possible dose.

We get Ara in the diet, but because we ingest it with other foods, it doesnt neccessarily go to where we want it to go because of the corresponding rise in insulin that will shuttle it elsewhere. But when we supplement with it and create the ideal environment for it to get to where we want it; it can exert huge effects at a small dose shown not to cause issue when run for the recommended duration.
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Thank you for your reply :)
 
GreenMachineX said:
I'm surprised I haven't gotten any headaches yet considering how often I usually get them...
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Headaches are caused by many things; I often get them if I sit in front of a computer for too long or at the end of a mentally exhausting day, whereas other people may get them fr other reasons.

The headaches caused by Ara are quite specific (I think at least) so just because you get headaches in general often, does not mean you will get them from the reason that causes the Ara headaches. If that makes sense.
 
Jiigzz said:
Headaches are caused by many things; I often get them if I sit in front of a computer for too long or at the end of a mentally exhausting day, whereas other people may get them fr other reasons.

The headaches caused by Ara are quite specific (I think at least) so just because you get headaches in general often, does not mean you will get them from the reason that causes the Ara headaches. If that makes sense.
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Yeah, I gotcha. Haven't had one at all since starting though either.
 
Can a small dose, say one gel be used daily for those who are probably aa deficient and can't tolerate most foods with them ( probably way over used marine oils for a long time as well)
 
sideshowdoc said:
Can a small dose, say one gel be used daily for those who are probably aa deficient and can't tolerate most foods with them ( probably way over used marine oils for a long time as well)
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Yes, absolutely! In fact, that is one of William Llewellyn's favorite dosing protocols for athletes of all types.
 
If I was only to take 1.5g of before workouts (4 times a week) and I have asthma it wouldn't be a good idea?
 
I've always wanted to try ARA but I have a question. Since it causes an inflammatory response would it be OK to use if the user suffers from hemorrhoids from time to time? Like would it cause a flare up? Sorry if tmi.
 
TeamMetal. said:
I've always wanted to try ARA but I have a question. Since it causes an inflammatory response would it be OK to use if the user suffers from hemorrhoids from time to time? Like would it cause a flare up? Sorry if tmi.
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the whole point is to put your body into a chronic inflammatory condition for 6-8 as weeks as far as I understand so it would have the potential to aggravate any inflammatory condition. thats why I don't take this stuff because I think it would aggravate my rosacea.
 
TeamMetal. said:
I've always wanted to try ARA but I have a question. Since it causes an inflammatory response would it be OK to use if the user suffers from hemorrhoids from time to time? Like would it cause a flare up? Sorry if tmi.
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It's on a case by case basis how bad it will affect you. All you could really do is try, and stop if needed.

Mike
 
horizons said:
So people with asthma have to swear clear away?

I have it under control and haven't had a attack in over a decade
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I have a buddy with asthma who just finished an ARA run who experienced no issues with it. Nor did he experience any benefits either and I'm wondering if his steroid inhaler killed the results. I'm not convinced his diet or training is spot on either though, so who knows.
 
horizons said:
So people with asthma have to swear clear away?

I have it under control and haven't had a attack in over a decade
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I'm not going to recommend it. Health is numero uno so be sure to put that first no matter what.
 
Hi there
I'm In Australia and could anyone guide me where the best and easiest place to buy ara?
Cheers and sorry in advance if have offended anyone and forum if asking this question isn't kosher!
 
TeamMetal. said:
I've always wanted to try ARA but I have a question. Since it causes an inflammatory response would it be OK to use if the user suffers from hemorrhoids from time to time? Like would it cause a flare up? Sorry if tmi.
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It is an awful idea with hemorrhoids, there are studies directly examining this
 
Looseunitwa said:
Hi there
I'm In Australia and could anyone guide me where the best and easiest place to buy ara?
Cheers and sorry in advance if have offended anyone and forum if asking this question isn't kosher!
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Lockout has it for $35 right now and if you google around they usually have coupon codes



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Looseunitwa said:
Hi there
I'm In Australia and could anyone guide me where the best and easiest place to buy ara?
Cheers and sorry in advance if have offended anyone and forum if asking this question isn't kosher!
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Most of all the major retailers (not sure the most economical choice in your situation) are carrying ArA products (X-Gels and X-Factor).
 
mr.cooper69 said:
It is an awful idea with hemorrhoids, there are studies directly examining this
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wish I knew this before I started the cycle.
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btw, anyone else still eat fish from time to time during the ArA cycle (hours away). Would that affect ArA's effect at all?
 
If an insulin spike can cause the ArA to be shuttled towards adipose tissue instead of muscle, should any type of pre or post workout shake be consumed? A post shake of carbs and protein will spike insulin which is great at this time to help with recovery, etc, however, could the post spike be detrimental towards ArA effectiveness or is the post workout meal far enough away from the dose to cause any negative effects?

Even a pre or post shake of just whey isolate will spike insulin. When I train in the morning I generally have an isolate shake with some 85% dark chocolate (helps keep me satiated during my workout and I find it helps with blood flow and pumps) about 60-90 minutes pre workout. My training usually lasts 90 minutes and then I have a carb/protein meal within an hour post workout. Just want to make sure that my meal timing doesn't effect the ArA in a negative way. As said before by a few others in this post, my supplements need to be built around my meals...not the other way around.
 
Tbol said:
Anyone experience GI issues during Ara run? Possibly from gms?
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I was noxious for about 30 mins. after everytime I took GMS. When I didn't take the GMS no issues.
 
Me also, old ABE with f95. But it starts about an hour after I drink my compete and gms. Experiencing "sandpaper affect"
 
This may have been asked before but do you have to take ARA on an empty stomach? I like to have 25-30g of protein and carbs an hour or so before I workout.
 
young4life said:
This may have been asked before but do you have to take ARA on an empty stomach? I like to have 25-30g of protein and carbs an hour or so before I workout.
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It's best to dose on an empty stomach.
 
young4life said:
This may have been asked before but do you have to take ARA on an empty stomach? I like to have 25-30g of protein and carbs an hour or so before I workout.
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Try to dose it on an empty stomach but sometimes life gets in the way and it's impossible to have an empty stomach lol. It's not the end of the world.
 
jwsnowman said:
If an insulin spike can cause the ArA to be shuttled towards adipose tissue instead of muscle, should any type of pre or post workout shake be consumed? A post shake of carbs and protein will spike insulin which is great at this time to help with recovery, etc, however, could the post spike be detrimental towards ArA effectiveness or is the post workout meal far enough away from the dose to cause any negative effects?

Even a pre or post shake of just whey isolate will spike insulin. When I train in the morning I generally have an isolate shake with some 85% dark chocolate (helps keep me satiated during my workout and I find it helps with blood flow and pumps) about 60-90 minutes pre workout. My training usually lasts 90 minutes and then I have a carb/protein meal within an hour post workout. Just want to make sure that my meal timing doesn't effect the ArA in a negative way. As said before by a few others in this post, my supplements need to be built around my meals...not the other way around.
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Preferably you should be using Ara pre-workout, so a post meal is fine as the Ara will be long gone by the time you consume the food. WRT pre workout meals, you may find that intra workout dosing of Ara to be preferable. I do this with yohimbine and caffeine as well and I still seem to be getting the benefits of the Ara.
 
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