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What makes a good/ideal fat burning stack?

Aaron1993

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Is it a combination of caffeine, a B-Agonist and Alpha 2 Antagonist (yohimbine?) and maybe forskolin?


Also how does Higenamine perform against other B-agonists like ephedrine? Specifically, how would something like ECY stack work vs Alphamine/Alpha-T2
 
I have had the best experiences from either ECA or Dexaprine XR personally. I feel they are mostly interchangeable. Adding Forskolin would be beneficial as well.
 
Stand alone:-
Norcodrene or alphamine

Stacked:-
Aav2
Norcodrene
Recompadrol
Forskolin
 
EBF_2356 said:
Stand alone:-
Norcodrene or alphamine

Stacked:-
Aav2
Norcodrene
Recompadrol
Forskolin
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this sounds tastey!
I believe the answer to your question is; a fully clinically dosed product/s combined with diet and training is ideal.
some products that fit this criteria:
dexaprine xr
redline hc
clenbutrx
OG OeP
ECA
alphamine
norcodrene
reform

just to name a few
 
Aaron1993 said:
Is it a combination of caffeine, a B-Agonist and Alpha 2 Antagonist (yohimbine?) and maybe forskolin?


Also how does Higenamine perform against other B-agonists like ephedrine? Specifically, how would something like ECY stack work vs Alphamine/Alpha-T2
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1. According to Coop, yes. Fat oxidation (TTA/Exercise) is then required, with HICA/Leucine added for muscle sparing.

2. ECY is superior; both are good options though.
 
Ideal is certainly different for everyone. Some do very well with Yohimbine, for instance, while others don't like the effects. Forskolin treats many well, while some will have GI issues regardless of the % extract.
 
aaronuconn said:
Ideal is certainly different for everyone. Some do very well with Yohimbine, for instance, while others don't like the effects. Forskolin treats many well, while some will have GI issues regardless of the % extract.
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Agreed. It will depend somewhat on tolerance for certain ingredients. That said the MOA you've outlined is what has led to the best results for myself.

For the price I don't think you can beat the deal on the NorCamp stack right now: Invalid Link Removed
 
personally to help lose some fat, calorie deficit is the most important, pick a fat burner based on your needs

then take into account how you feel on the deficit, energy is usually dropped, appetite control, motivation, recovery, and strength drop

so usually i go with something with stimulants like dexaprine or whatever, but i also look into supplements that will help with other problems that come into play like recovery...an amino product intra product like compete to help keep training where it needs to be, sometimes i'll throw in a test booster or natural anabolic in order to help keep muscle as much as possible
 
aaronuconn said:
I think he means he's planning on cutting soon.
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Gotcha.
Aaron1993 said:
Currently bulking at 3400 making very slow weight gain. I've calculated my maintenance to be around 2800+ and im starting at 2300 ish calories.
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So right off the bat you're dropping 1100kcals? I would start your cut at maintenance. I've always cut at that and through exercise and daily activity created my deficit, and it's allowed me to retain a lot more muscle mass that I had previously when cutting and starting off to low right off. Just my two cents OP.
 
mpaquett said:
Gotcha.
So right off the bat you're dropping 1100kcals? I would start your cut at maintenance. I've always cut at that and through exercise and daily activity created my deficit, and it's allowed me to retain a lot more muscle mass that I had previously when cutting and starting off to low right off. Just my two cents OP.
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Well yeah, that does sound like the better plan. I'm going to be lowering cals to 2800 for a week or so, and then slowly easing towards 2300-2200.

Just out of curiousity, do my TDEE/calories even sound close to accurate? I'm 18, 5'9, in the high 180 lbs.
 
Aaron1993 said:
Well yeah, that does sound like the better plan. I'm going to be lowering cals to 2800 for a week or so, and then slowly easing towards 2300-2200. Just out of curiousity, do my TDEE/calories even sound close to accurate? I'm 18, 5'9, in the high 180 lbs.
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What's your bf%? That makes a huge diff if your 5'9" 180 at 25% vs 10%
 
Aaron1993 said:
I'm somewhere between 18%-20%
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IMO you need to get to sub 15% bf before even bothering with supps or it will be a complete waste of money. Get your diet and training in check becuase it obviously is not if you are sitting around 20%.
 
rphash49 said:
IMO you need to get to sub 15% bf before even bothering with supps or it will be a complete waste of money. Get your diet and training in check becuase it obviously is not if you are sitting around 20%.
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I agree here. There's not much in the way of supps that will really help until you start getting to the "hard to lose" stages - aka 12 and below. If you can't even see your top two abs, you most likely will be wasting money. Diet is the key here. That and a bit of patience ha.
 
Aaron1993 said:
Is it a combination of caffeine, a B-Agonist and Alpha 2 Antagonist (yohimbine?) and maybe forskolin?

Also how does Higenamine perform against other B-agonists like ephedrine? Specifically, how would something like ECY stack work vs Alphamine/Alpha-T2
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1. Stimulant
2. B antagonist
3. Something that helps free up fatty acids
4. Anti oxidants

Alphamine+ drop factor and extra yohimbine if you're over 200 lbs. That's one stack

Alphamine plus extra yohimbine and green tea extract. Put pepper on everything*black, cayenne * is a cheap stack
 
rphash49 said:
IMO you need to get to sub 15% bf before even bothering with supps or it will be a complete waste of money. Get your diet and training in check becuase it obviously is not if you are sitting around 20%.
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booneman77 said:
I agree here. There's not much in the way of supps that will really help until you start getting to the "hard to lose" stages - aka 12 and below. If you can't even see your top two abs, you most likely will be wasting money. Diet is the key here. That and a bit of patience ha.
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Then would the optimal plan be to cut down to 15% then start using supps? I have a stack of Alphamine, Alpha-T2 and Forskolin ready to go.

And yes I do realize that 18% bf isn't really a good place to be at. When I started the bulk I was 13% at 160. I guess I was eager to gain weight and put on 30lb with an additional 5% bf gain. However I do understand the basics about nutrition including calorie surplus and deficits, macros, micros, etc.

On a side note, how do I even use forskolin with the other two supps? 2x25mg and 2x25mg with each dose? One fasted first thing in the morning and one preworkout
 
Aaron1993 said:
Then would the optimal plan be to cut down to 15% then start using supps? I have a stack of Alphamine, Alpha-T2 and Forskolin ready to go.

And yes I do realize that 18% bf isn't really a good place to be at. When I started the bulk I was 13% at 160. I guess I was eager to gain weight and put on 30lb with an additional 5% bf gain. However I do understand the basics about nutrition including calorie surplus and deficits, macros, micros, etc.

On a side note, how do I even use forskolin with the other two supps? 2x25mg and 2x25mg with each dose? One fasted first thing in the morning and one preworkout
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I would cut a bit naturally, supp free for awhile maybe at least 6weeks. Then, once you're in your groove and starting to see things slow down, add in your supps. You can stack all 3 of those together and it should really give you a new boost at that stage. The forskolin dosing is pretty much whatever fits the person. Some can't handle more then 25mg at a time, others take 150mg all at once. I personally do 2am (fasted) and 2 pre workout (semi fasted) for 100mg total. Work your way up tho or you may be in for a week or so of rough sharts. I'd start at 50, then after a few days of no gi issues, bump to 75, then 100 same as before.
 
booneman77 said:
I would cut a bit naturally, supp free for awhile maybe at least 6weeks. Then, once you're in your groove and starting to see things slow down, add in your supps. You can stack all 3 of those together and it should really give you a new boost at that stage. The forskolin dosing is pretty much whatever fits the person. Some can't handle more then 25mg at a time, others take 150mg all at once. I personally do 2am (fasted) and 2 pre workout (semi fasted) for 100mg total. Work your way up tho or you may be in for a week or so of rough sharts. I'd start at 50, then after a few days of no gi issues, bump to 75, then 100 same as before.
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Exactly how i dose my forskolin!!!
 
I would recommend cleaning up your diet first to get your body fat down.

I have been stacking Bronkaid and Alphamine together the past few days. Seems like a great stack so far!
 
I understand that diet and training always come before supplements and I do plan on fixing these up for my upcoming cut. But with that said, are fat burner type supplements completely useless in fatter individuals (20%+ bf) or are their effects just less pronounced? If so, why?

I always thought that these supps stimulate more fat oxidation and lipolysis.
 
Aaron1993 said:
I understand that diet and training always come before supplements and I do plan on fixing these up for my upcoming cut. But with that said, are fat burner type supplements completely useless in fatter individuals (20%+ bf) or are their effects just less pronounced? If so, why?

I always thought that these supps stimulate more fat oxidation and lipolysis.
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I think everyone is just apprehensive that someone whos is overly fat might use these products in a way that not only harms themselves but also the supplement industry as a whole.
certainly there is benefit as long as your using them safely and not over doing it. if nothing else I garuntee you that if you invest your hard earned cash on a product for fatloss.. your are 10x more likely to commit to eating and training better or harder to make use of that investment. even if nothing else.. placebo can work to ones benefit.
 
Aaron1993 said:
I understand that diet and training always come before supplements and I do plan on fixing these up for my upcoming cut. But with that said, are fat burner type supplements completely useless in fatter individuals (20%+ bf) or are their effects just less pronounced? If so, why?

I always thought that these supps stimulate more fat oxidation and lipolysis.
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Its not that they WONT work, its more of a "what can you do for me now". Using supps at high bf, you will still only lose at roughly the same rate as you can naturally. Most people's body's dont want to be fat (especially in a small deficit) so they can lose weight with no help at a good rate. Once you get to the lower bf%, this is where nature starts putting the breaks on your fat buning to preserve itself. Your body thinks its starving/too skinny/cant protect itself, so the progress slows and eventually stops. This is where the supps come in to give a new boost and "reenergize" the fat burning.
 
Aaron1993 said:
Is it a combination of caffeine, a B-Agonist and Alpha 2 Antagonist (yohimbine?) and maybe forskolin?

Also how does Higenamine perform against other B-agonists like ephedrine? Specifically, how would something like ECY stack work vs Alphamine/Alpha-T2
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Got to find what works best for you
 
Aaron1993 said:
I understand that diet and training always come before supplements and I do plan on fixing these up for my upcoming cut. But with that said, are fat burner type supplements completely useless in fatter individuals (20%+ bf) or are their effects just less pronounced? If so, why?

I always thought that these supps stimulate more fat oxidation and lipolysis.
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It's not that they won't help, they can boost energy levels and suppress appetite. It is the fact that most of weight loss results will come for diet and exercise. Some supplements work but produce very little results in relation to what a good diet and exercise can do.
 
Patuba said:
It's not that they won't help, they can boost energy levels and suppress appetite. It is the fact that most of weight loss results will come for diet and exercise. Some supplements work but produce very little results in relation to what a good diet and exercise can do.
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Right on!!! Especially when trying to reduce body fat, this is vital. Bulking I feel I can train 3x a week and just focus on eating a lot and get big
 
Also, when stacking products, you don't pick a few random ones and take them together. You want to make sure ingredients don't overlap causing a high amount of X ingredient which can be unsafe. You also want to use 2 products that work well together for YOU and your goals. Ex: a stim with a non stim
 
Aaron1993 said:
Is it a combination of caffeine, a B-Agonist and Alpha 2 Antagonist (yohimbine?) and maybe forskolin?

Also how does Higenamine perform against other B-agonists like ephedrine? Specifically, how would something like ECY stack work vs Alphamine/Alpha-T2
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eca or ec and reduce xt or ec and thyrocaps. Forskolin is good but it seems to take sometime to work for me. I like ecas almost immediate results.
 
Aaron1993 said:
I understand that diet and training always come before supplements and I do plan on fixing these up for my upcoming cut. But with that said, are fat burner type supplements completely useless in fatter individuals (20%+ bf) or are their effects just less pronounced? If so, why?

I always thought that these supps stimulate more fat oxidation and lipolysis.
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What I have found with clients is that they are high in BF for a reason. They have an issue controling themselves. So they take a fat burner like Dexaprine thinking it is a magic pill. So in their mind it is an "excuse" to continue to be a little relaxed on their nutrition plan. In turn it doesnt do much of anything.

The other end of it, I find that when training competitors who are single digit BF (sub 7%) a fat burner can help a lot keeping energy levels up and helping to curb appetitie which is handy when getting ready for a show. From personal experience I have found that I do better loosing BF w/o supps if I am above 10%. When i get closer to that lower BF level I find that fat burners really shine.
 
veaderko said:
What I have found with clients is that they are high in BF for a reason. They have an issue controling themselves. So they take a fat burner like Dexaprine thinking it is a magic pill. So in their mind it is an "excuse" to continue to be a little relaxed on their nutrition plan. In turn it doesnt do much of anything.

The other end of it, I find that when training competitors who are single digit BF (sub 7%) a fat burner can help a lot keeping energy levels up and helping to curb appetitie which is handy when getting ready for a show. From personal experience I have found that I do better loosing BF w/o supps if I am above 10%. When i get closer to that lower BF level I find that fat burners really shine.
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Your dead on with this post. Couldn't agree more. Repped.
 
booneman77 said:
Its not that they WONT work, its more of a "what can you do for me now". Using supps at high bf, you will still only lose at roughly the same rate as you can naturally. Most people's body's dont want to be fat (especially in a small deficit) so they can lose weight with no help at a good rate. Once you get to the lower bf%, this is where nature starts putting the breaks on your fat buning to preserve itself. Your body thinks its starving/too skinny/cant protect itself, so the progress slows and eventually stops. This is where the supps come in to give a new boost and "reenergize" the fat burning.
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outstanding explanation!
 
Can i keep taking forskolin and burn 24 ? im going for a 4 week quit on alphamine and then in april i start with this : Burn24 180caps, Forskolin, Alphamine, Yohimbine

Anyone tips ?

Thnx and sorry for my english
 
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