wheres the fullness?
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nattydisaster
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How is water intake?
Young Gotti
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tropinol xp and intimidate might work...
water is important but also how often are you training? your carb timing might play a factor as well
rosemont83
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mpaquett
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When was your last deload or break?
How is your diet and how long have you been hitting it (ie currently cutting for 8 weeks)?
Sleep patterns?
Any other big life stressors?
Have you considered a pre? A non-stim option may even help with your motivation and especially the muscle fullness.
How is your diet and how long have you been hitting it (ie currently cutting for 8 weeks)?
Sleep patterns?
Any other big life stressors?
Have you considered a pre? A non-stim option may even help with your motivation and especially the muscle fullness.
cubsfan815
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Young Gotti
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this is good information to look at....maybe take a step back and look into these things, kind of strange because your hitting PR's with little motivation
probably something outside of the gym thats really affecting the motivation even though the pr's i would think should show that your body is still doing good with the training
or take tropinol xp and intimidate srt to fix it (J)
Jiigzz
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This.
YG isn't like the other minions. He actually takes the time to post in detail which is where the other minions (not all of them) fall flat.
Jiigzz
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Oh I know, believe me. I spent a bit of time chasing a few of them around the Nutrition, weight loss and bulking forums (given up now) because every time someone new needs advice, they pimp a product blindly and, if enough of them do it, it comes across as being like a miracle supplement. The last thing I want is for a newbie to think that supplements are the answer for everything.
IMO, the nutritional subforums should be kept to advice on nutrition and helping new people understand that diet is one of the most important factors to training success and not any supplements you can take.
Plus I 'poke fun' at them as well mostly because their posting style is so out of the ordinary for AM. Hardly any reps here blindly post supplement recommendations without considering what has been said previously in the thread and the OP's situation and many also recommend other products outside of their own line. Hence why AM is my preferred forum of choice.
ryanp81
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Well said.
amarula
Member
Was thinking the same thing
rosemont83
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It was a good tag team of a joke lol
I've read and enjoyed many of YG's posts.
He's koo. Even makes fun of his bros but everyone knows whats up
bakerwil
Banned
Sounds like you may be overtrained....lots of great supps out there to help recovery like bca's.
aaronuconn
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I would opt for LCLT over BCAA's for recovery (like DOMS reduction).
Jiigzz
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Overtraining is a word used far too much when it is not needed. There is a vast difference between overtrained and under recovered. If OP was truly over trained, he would not be breaking PR's. Not to mention BCAA's would do absolutely nothing for recovery.
Overtraining is a CNS issue, not a muscular one and recovery can take 3+ months to recover from:
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There are a few graphs floating around that depict the recovery time for actual Overtraining recovery. Believe me, if you can recover from 'overtraining' after 3 days with BCAAs, then you are simply not adjusted to that workload and recovery is slower; you are not overtrained.
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Rarchib
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It could possibly just be in your head. The lack of motivation might be subconsciously making you think your physique looks different. Idk just food for thought. If your training is good and you keep hitting PRs, then I don't see the need to switch up your program but maybe just a few days off could be the key. If your diet has remained the same I'm sort of leaning to it might just being a mental thing.
flightposite
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Jiigzz said:
Agreed about the over training.
How is your carb and water intake?
bakerwil
Banned
Doing PR's is intensive - after a couple or a few weeks of this, you can find yourself 'unrecovered' 'overtrained' whatever. I apologize if I am not clear on the definition of 'over trained'. With the state he has got in, did he say he is still doing PR's or did you assume so? If he is, he won't be for much longer. Needing a break and or needing to re-look at what is making you 'unrecovered' is necessary when this happens. One of the main things that have helped me recover is BCAA's. Personally, I really notice a difference between the bulk NP BCAA's and the new PES Amino IV - awesome supplement. Recovery has never been better. Cheers.
bakerwil
Banned
Now your talking recovery!
snagencyV2.0
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Jiigzz
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Depends on the kind of PR. Rep or 1rm and how long in between each 1rm. More than likely he is in a state of overreaching moreso than overtrained.
BCAA's may help muscular recovery, but im not convinced they will save your CNS from being fried; especially if your programming is average. But most bbers dont train with nearly enough intensity (at high enough of your 1rm- not perceived intensity) to cause overtraining.
Unless he elaborates further, we will never know
Jstrong20
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If your hitting PRS who cares. Definatley not overtrained otherwise you would be getting weaker. Did you switch from high reps to low reps recently? I personally would ride it out until gains stop then switch to higher reps for a month or so. Could also do a deload week but I wouldntwouldn't do that until gains stop.
mpaquett
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fightbackhxc
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How often are you lifting?
mr.cooper69
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Lack of fullness + lack of motivation is almost always a sign of glycogen depletion. I'd do a heavy carb refeed and watch the fullness, pumps, and lifts soar
rugger48
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This and I'm not just agreeing because it's coop, this is about spot on.
alvin1
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Yep for me this is often the case, about not having enough carb in my system, butmit is weird that he would be able to hit PR at the same time as been carb depleted
mr.cooper69
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It happens. PRs (1RM) aren't reliant on the glycolytic system but rather rapid phosphate donation/CNS activity
KrisL
Active member
Using a scale before/after a workout, I found that I burn ~2.5L water in about 60-80 minutes of mid-high intensity. I drop ~2L over 8 hours of sleep. Completely winging the math, I'd say I need more than 6 - 8.5L/day total to stay well-hydrated.
I think you're dry, homie.
02sixxer
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Have you recently stopped any other supements, and has your weight remained the same or is it changing?
Often with dehydration you can notice several lbs different over 1-3 days. Water weight because of consption is low.
Also being on only a multi now, if you were on something else, especially hormonal it can take weeks to make you feel less full and smaller.
RecompMan
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My muscle hardness and fullness increased with volume and ara.
I am not a big fan of karbolyn. I would highly recommend dark matter and carbion. One scoop of each with the appropriate GDA
aaronuconn
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High reps + ArA is typically a winning recipe for muscle fullness.
BigRigg
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Have used any supps for arojnd 6 months now... I have 50 $ a week for food so there isnt room for much.
Weight is steadily increasing. Im ay 191 from 170 in late june. Was 162 at my competition early june.
What are basic supps yall would suggest? Any new stuff ive missed out on? Willing to buy one or two with xmas money.
Maybe ill start a life log if interest is there so I could get some better advise in the future
Weight is steadily increasing. Im ay 191 from 170 in late june. Was 162 at my competition early june.
What are basic supps yall would suggest? Any new stuff ive missed out on? Willing to buy one or two with xmas money.
Maybe ill start a life log if interest is there so I could get some better advise in the future
RecompMan
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As far as products go:
Anabeta elite : get what you pay for. The things that work are either expensive because of it or reasonably priced due to popularity and larger runs. works well with following ingredients ; forskolin, agmatine, carnitine, GMS
XFactor: very good, as we train it gets depleted: can argue a steak to get ara, but supplemental is easier. Works well with things that inhibit FAAH, and 5-LPO to prevent breakdown. Again. Here you can use ; agmatine
As far as test boosters. Depends on age ect
Can't go wrong with something like muscle marinade for endurance and focus if ever lacking : high volume or hemavol works well with it too
snagencyV2.0
Legend
I hear that Tropinol xp and intimidate srt could help you
Jiigzz
Legend
I bet to differ re: ArA. Eating a steak and supplementing in the appropriate manner are not the same. When taken with food Ara will not be selective for muscle tissue whereas taken fasted, ArA + exercise will ensure it is directed to the muscles being worked.
Source: Neuron -->
Background
After ingestion, fatty acids like arachidonic acid are emulsifed and taken up into enterocytes where they are esterfied on a glycerol backbone to form a triglyceride. Next, the triglycerides and cholesterol esters are bound together to form a chylomicron. This entity can now diffuse into the lymphatics and then into the blood. Once in the blood, the chylomicrons are free to interact with various tissue receptors depending on energy homeostasis. When needed, they can interact with an enzyme called Lipoprotein Lipase (LPL) that will hydrolyze the triglycerides back into fatty acids to be used as fuel or for storage purposes.
The point being...
In which tissue the fatty acids are deposited is a function of the energetic state of the organism overall. In a post-prandial, high fed, state, the dominant hormone is insulin. Similarly, the only isoform of LPL that is active with insulin is located on adipocytes. It should be obvious now that consuming fats when eating will direct them to adipose. This isn't necessarily a bad thing in the context of fish oil, as adipose is now recognized as a great contributer to endogenous hormone production like the prostanoids.
But...
In the context of Arachidonic Acid, the final destination should be skeletal muscle. Luckily, there is an energetic state which favors fatty acid delievery to this tissue: Exercise (or acute starvation) [1]. In an exercise-induced environment, LPL on skeletal muscle becomes active which serves as an adjunct to glycolysis for the TCA cycle via beta-oxidation. Similarly, the enzyme DGAT also becomes active in skeletal muscle which functions to store excess fatty acids as triglycerides. Since both of these enzymes are heavily active during exercise, it is clear that an excess of fatty acids are being removed from blood plasma into skeletal muscle as a reservoir (this also serves to decrease insulin insensitivity [2]).
RecompMan
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I wasn't saying they were equal I was just giving an example Of a dietary source.
mightymatt84
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Eat more carbs increase water intake and use a good preworkout. Maybe your current diet is no longer up to the demands of your workouts ie you are now carrying more muscle and hitting the gym harder so you might need to increase your macros.
SwolenONE
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This is very true, what used to be a lot of food for me is now barely enough to keep me going with about 10% more lean body mass than I had a few years ago.
It seems that not continually increasing calories is the primary reason why people plateau in muscle size and strength.