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Lowering Cholesterol

dollar662

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A friend of mine has high cholesterol 252 his doctors didn’t want to put him on meds yet and see if he can lower with diet and exercise. Oddly enough he doesn’t eat poorly so may just need to exercise more

I was going to recommend to him Iforce Heart Help and Fish oil products . Do you think he can benefit from these and lower his Cholesterol? or would you recommend another product like AI Sports Life Support and fish oil

Thanks in advance
 
2 questions. What are his triglycerides like, and what does "doesn't eat poorly" mean ? still has lots of breads, refined grains, etc fall into that category?
 
Total cholesterol isnt really indicative of anything
 
EasyEJL said:
2 questions. What are his triglycerides like, and what does "doesn't eat poorly" mean ? still has lots of breads, refined grains, etc fall into that category?
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Good point and i;m not with him 24hrs a day but I never see him eat junk food / not much if any fast foodso to speak more of a grilled chicked and salad type of guy

Not sure of triglycerides I called and asked and he said doc didnt tell him just told him the 252 number had to come down
 
dollar662 said:
Good point and i;m not with him 24hrs a day but I never see him eat junk food / not much if any fast foodso to speak more of a grilled chicked and salad type of guy

Not sure of triglycerides I called and asked and he said doc didnt tell him just told him the 252 number had to come down
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A total cholesterol of 252 is meaningless. Without knowing the LDL HDL ratio and triglycerides, you can't say anything relevant from a clinical standpoint, and the doctor should know that. If his total is 252, but his HDL is over 80 with triglycerides under 95, then its carry on doing exactly as you currently are with no heightened risk of anything. that would place his ratio at better than most vegetarians..... A cholesterol of 170 with triglycerides of 200 is WAY more dangerous. I hate doctors who don't really know what they're doing.
 
EasyEJL said:
A total cholesterol of 252 is meaningless. Without knowing the LDL HDL ratio and triglycerides, you can't say anything relevant from a clinical standpoint, and the doctor should know that. If his total is 252, but his HDL is over 80 with triglycerides under 95, then its carry on doing exactly as you currently are with no heightened risk of anything. that would place his ratio at better than most vegetarians..... A cholesterol of 170 with triglycerides of 200 is WAY more dangerous. I hate doctors who don't really know what they're doing.
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exactly.
 
As mentioned before, Heart Help and Fish Oil is a good combo!
 
Get him to find out his triglycerides. A high triglyceride count is indicative of small dense LDL particles which are easily oxidised and form plaque inside arteries whereas low trigs and a high saturated fat diet (esp. coconut oil) is indicative of large LDL particles which are less likely to be oxidised and form the plaque.
 
Cycle Assists + niacin did wonders for my cholesterol.
 
EasyEJL said:
A total cholesterol of 252 is meaningless. Without knowing the LDL HDL ratio and triglycerides, you can't say anything relevant from a clinical standpoint, and the doctor should know that. If his total is 252, but his HDL is over 80 with triglycerides under 95, then its carry on doing exactly as you currently are with no heightened risk of anything. that would place his ratio at better than most vegetarians..... A cholesterol of 170 with triglycerides of 200 is WAY more dangerous. I hate doctors who don't really know what they're doing.
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Ok he got more details from doctor today

Total 259
HDL 20
LDL 219
Triglycerides 98

He did order heart help and fish oil from the pervious posts. But wanted to make sure with the details it will benefit still
 
dollar662 said:
Ok he got more details from doctor today

Total 259
HDL 20
LDL 219
Triglycerides 98

He did order heart help and fish oil from the pervious posts. But wanted to make sure with the details it will benefit still
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holy cow. yeah, the heart help and fish oil both will be good, it should raise his HDL. that is REALLY low. is he an anabolic user, or only any daily use medications? Figure that HDL should be at least 39 in normal healthy eating persons. At least the triglycerides are decent. Does he by chance eat a pretty low fat diet with a fair amount of grains?
 
He did do an epi run which ended mid/end of March and used Nolva for PCT.

Not sure how low fat but yes to fair amount of grains
 
dollar662 said:
He did do an epi run which ended mid/end of March and used Nolva for PCT.

Not sure how low fat but yes to fair amount of grains
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that will definitely effect his HDL.

Get him on the fish oil + heart help ASAP, and then if that isn't enough, a Rx
 
VaughnTrue said:
that will definitely effect his HDL.

Get him on the fish oil + heart help ASAP, and then if that isn't enough, a Rx
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Agreed and i would def suggest 4 caps daily for the first 2 weeks to a month and then dropping to 2 caps if blood work is appropriate.

Mike
 
Actually fish oil can raise cholesterol in higher dosages, it is mainly used for the treatment of high triglycerides. You will increase HDL with it but you will also get a minor rise in LDL as well. I would go with extended release Niacin at the 500mg range right before bed for a week or two then move up to 1000mg nightly right before bed. Just bear in mind if he is taking any sort of methylated anabolics then it can affect his liver enzymes but it is by far the best thing for lowering LDL and drastically raising HDL. It is actually a bit more tolerable than Niaspan which is Rx only but is a bit harsher on the liver in higher dosages than Niaspan is.
 
I would cycle assist and some kind of vitamin e blend
 
dollar662 said:
He did do an epi run which ended mid/end of March and used Nolva for PCT.

Not sure how low fat but yes to fair amount of grains
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do you know when his blood test was from? if he ended the cycle end of march, and ran PCT through till end of april, i'd figure that to be a pretty "normal" cholesterol level if it was taken in early may. it does resolve itself without doing much special over time, just it may take another couple of months.
 
UPDATE :
starting point

Total 259
HDL 20
LDL 219
Triglycerides 98

After 3.5 weeks on Heart Help and Iforce fish oil his numbers came back today @

Total 207
HDL 34
LDL 154
Triglycerides 92

doctor was impressed with the changes and told him keep doing what he is doing
 
Surprised they tested you only after 3.5 weeks, usually they wait at least 6 weeks but very glad you are seeing results. When is your next test?
 
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