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Mattrag and MankoOyaji's leanville quest with Mdrol/AH

Workouts are still looking very strong Matt! That 5 lb loss is typical after losing the glycogen and water, and everything else looks great
 
Diabolik said:
That's usually exactly what I do. Except I'm not hitting 315 at the moment, lol. Maybe in a couple weeks :) I just posted my log up if you wanna check it out.
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haha, subbed to your log man! Looks like you are going to get bigger and get some cuts! Just the way I like it!

RickRock13 said:
Workouts are still looking very strong Matt! That 5 lb loss is typical after losing the glycogen and water, and everything else looks great
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Yea, i'm actually very impressed... it's basically a 15lb gain... Strength was crazy, and still is crazy. Can't wait for summer when I shred this stuff up!
 
Yeah man you are so lucky... killing it haha. You already planning your next run your not gona know what to do with yourself! hahaha.

I can't wait to get back into it. I really need to take something for my muscle/pain relief. Do any of you guys have suggestions for a few good supps? I have cissus right now that I have taken but nothing great from it. I have looked at skelly balm and super cissus rx (capped) and a few others. I just wana get back into it...
 
CountryLiftin said:
Yeah man you are so lucky... killing it haha. You already planning your next run your not gona know what to do with yourself! hahaha.

I can't wait to get back into it. I really need to take something for my muscle/pain relief. Do any of you guys have suggestions for a few good supps? I have cissus right now that I have taken but nothing great from it. I have looked at skelly balm and super cissus rx (capped) and a few others. I just wana get back into it...
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I noticed for my joints all I do now (cause I have loads of injuries...elbows, shoulder injury from tennis, wrist injury from tennis/basketball) I will only do around 12 total pushing sets a week. I pull almost 4x that amount though. and when I pull I use grips and I still SQUEEZE the gripping part. So I'm not letting my hand relax. I am keeping it engaged. Feels like I am doing better. Before I could barely do bench presses because my right elbow was so shot.... supp wise I really only take fish oil.... keep all inflammatory foods to a minimum and make sure I eat stuff to heal my joints. (Healthy fats, veggies, and get in my minerals)
 
Yeah I'm doing all that still. And not lifting anything or doing anything to cause inflammation.
 
Haha Matt. You rest? Yeah right. I'm doing enough rest for the both of us. Taking this time to get my diet ironed out though.
 
Haha u can't fuel the fire til my damn back is better though.... Eh. I might as well enjoy the rest I suppose.
 
Diabolik said:
My joints seem to do ok with fishoil, Orange Triad, and making sure my form is good.
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I've been out 5 months with a fractured spine bulged discs and destroyed si joint complex with bad muscle strain. So I'm trying to get everything meshed and working again properly. I feel like either my si joint isn't lining up properly. And I have some scar tissue messing with my rotation. Or else I still have a lot of muscle tension that needs worked out. Doctors havent been much help. Prob gona go to a chiro and try and get a few muscles released and taken care of if it doesn't get better. But I figure a lil help can't hurt.
 
CountryLiftin said:
I've been out 5 months with a fractured spine bulged discs and destroyed si joint complex with bad muscle strain. So I'm trying to get everything meshed and working again properly. I feel like either my si joint isn't lining up properly. And I have some scar tissue messing with my rotation. Or else I still have a lot of muscle tension that needs worked out. Doctors havent been much help. Prob gona go to a chiro and try and get a few muscles released and taken care of if it doesn't get better. But I figure a lil help can't hurt.
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Yea man hope your healing speeds up. I might be hitting your prs for reps soon ;p
Just joking you can deadlift a car. I don't even deadlift in my current routine lol.

Good luck!
 
Pct day 10
So not much change. Libido is back, but balls still kinda low volume. I was thinking about adding 25mgs of clomid on top of current regime taking clomid up to 75mgs a day. Could be I'm just being impatient though.
Weight wise still holding on. Barely though. I try to make sure I sleep at around 99 kgs. But that has been getting very hard.
 
CountryLiftin said:
I've been out 5 months with a fractured spine bulged discs and destroyed si joint complex with bad muscle strain. So I'm trying to get everything meshed and working again properly. I feel like either my si joint isn't lining up properly. And I have some scar tissue messing with my rotation. Or else I still have a lot of muscle tension that needs worked out. Doctors havent been much help. Prob gona go to a chiro and try and get a few muscles released and taken care of if it doesn't get better. But I figure a lil help can't hurt.
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Haha, damn bro there goes my suggestion! Well I'm sorry to hear that man, hopefully you get it worked out soon. I can't stand having a few nagging injuries here and there, I can't imagine having stuff that serious. Good luck getting it straightened out!
 
mattrag said:
Pct day 10
So not much change. Libido is back, but balls still kinda low volume. I was thinking about adding 25mgs of clomid on top of current regime taking clomid up to 75mgs a day. Could be I'm just being impatient though.
Weight wise still holding on. Barely though. I try to make sure I sleep at around 99 kgs. But that has been getting very hard.
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Good stuff man, keep it uuuuppppp!!
 
mattrag said:
Yea man hope your healing speeds up. I might be hitting your prs for reps soon ;p
Just joking you can deadlift a car. I don't even deadlift in my current routine lol.

Good luck!
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Haha yeah yeah ;) I just hit a pyramid set on bench up to 290 and felt fine while I was at work. So no big deal. Muscles have shrunk some but muscle memory is good. I did a few things and I think the stimulation will help keep them ready. Gona start doing some easy cardio soon. My damn hips hurt though. And don't forget I was hittin all those PRs at 16 :rofl: I. Would be killing Em if it would be for this rash of injuries I have had. Ah well. I'm just happy for you man you have really been workin hard and it has paid off for you. I know I'll get back it's just a matter of time.
 
CountryLiftin said:
Haha yeah yeah ;) I just hit a pyramid set on bench up to 290 and felt fine while I was at work. So no big deal. Muscles have shrunk some but muscle memory is good. I did a few things and I think the stimulation will help keep them ready. Gona start doing some easy cardio soon. My damn hips hurt though. And don't forget I was hittin all those PRs at 16 :rofl: I. Would be killing Em if it would be for this rash of injuries I have had. Ah well. I'm just happy for you man you have really been workin hard and it has paid off for you. I know I'll get back it's just a matter of time.
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Haha, for the both of us! Road to recovery!!!
 
PCT day 11 (I think... oh oh...)
Pretty good, feeling smaller for sure. No all day pumps and no feeling of crushing everything haha! I miss it...


Logging Beast mode now so check it out!!!


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CG bench
135x15
135x10
205x8 (PR)
205x8 (PR) I felt REALLY good lol. Im in PCT so PRs of this measure are pretty impressive
135x15
Supersetted with EZ bar curls
70x15
90x8 (PR)
90x8 (PR)
70x21


Yates row
135x15
225x12
295x3
315x7
315x7 (PR) Second set 7 reps I think is a PR. Felt like one... haha
Drop set 225x15! 15 reps baby!!


Shrugs
225x15
315x16
315x16
315x16


Shoulder press

135x10
175x8
175x8 (PR) Second set 8 reps

Sumo Squat No belt so went for reps

135x15
135x10
225x10
245x10
245x10

Side/front/bent over laterals

20x13 for 2 sets circuit.


Great workout! I REALLY think the creatine in pre workouts make the difference for me when it comes to strength. I really like the Huperzia Serrata as it was in White Flood and the Mucuna Pruriens pre workout. DMAE seems to be good in all of these. Energy was constant, focus was good, and this time I got some good pumps. Only problem... is it doesnt taste that good. Granted it's not as bad as Craze... It's not as good as Hemavol.... But Hemavol taste amazing.
 
mattrag said:
PCT day 11 (I think... oh oh...)
Pretty good, feeling smaller for sure. No all day pumps and no feeling of crushing everything haha! I miss it...

Logging Beast mode now so check it out!!!

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CG bench
135x15
135x10
205x8 (PR)
205x8 (PR) I felt REALLY good lol. Im in PCT so PRs of this measure are pretty impressive
135x15
Supersetted with EZ bar curls
70x15
90x8 (PR)
90x8 (PR)
70x21

Yates row
135x15
225x12
295x3
315x7
315x7 (PR) Second set 7 reps I think is a PR. Felt like one... haha
Drop set 225x15! 15 reps baby!!

Shrugs
225x15
315x16
315x16
315x16

Shoulder press

135x10
175x8
175x8 (PR) Second set 8 reps

Sumo Squat No belt so went for reps

135x15
135x10
225x10
245x10
245x10

Side/front/bent over laterals

20x13 for 2 sets circuit.

Great workout! I REALLY think the creatine in pre workouts make the difference for me when it comes to strength. I really like the Huperzia Serrata as it was in White Flood and the Mucuna Pruriens pre workout. DMAE seems to be good in all of these. Energy was constant, focus was good, and this time I got some good pumps. Only problem... is it doesnt taste that good. Granted it's not as bad as Craze... It's not as good as Hemavol.... But Hemavol taste amazing.
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Nice Job bro! PR's in pct seem To be the norm around here now!
 
LiveToLift said:
Nice Job bro! PR's in pct seem To be the norm around here now!
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I think cause my training and diet are on spot now. Even though I didn't eat enough before lifting I had like 20g of bcaa and that wonderful beast mode. Lol.
 
Onlychevy6 said:
Dang look at all these pr's you pulled off. Good golly.
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Cause I'm always thinking "Gotta get huge, gotta get lean!"
Thanks man. Your circuit training would ruin me though...
 
mattrag said:
I think cause my training and diet are on spot now. Even though I didn't eat enough before lifting I had like 20g of bcaa and that wonderful beast mode. Lol.
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Well whatever the he!! the reason is keep it up bro! Your killing it man! Did I miss After pics or were there none?
 
mattrag said:
Cause I'm always thinking "Gotta get huge, gotta get lean!"
Thanks man. Your circuit training would ruin me though...
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Craig ballentynes metabolic resistance training. Look into it
 
LiveToLift said:
Well whatever the he!! the reason is keep it up bro! Your killing it man! Did I miss After pics or were there none?
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They will come when I can get someone to take a pic of me.... Ive taken self pics. But they all blurry... Lol.
I have um. Took on my phone. Maybe I'll upload um tonight. It's a pain getting um from the phone, edited then posted. Specially with a netbook and an iPhone lol.
 
mattrag said:
They will come when I can get someone to take a pic of me.... Ive taken self pics. But they all blurry... Lol.
I have um. Took on my phone. Maybe I'll upload um tonight. It's a pain getting um from the phone, edited then posted. Specially with a netbook and an iPhone lol.
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Just make sure there are no self wiener pics. LMFAO. keep those for the wifey. ha ha ha
 
Nickmort said:
Keep killing it Matt. I only hope to be breaking PRs in my PCT as well like you and Rick!
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Rick is a beast!! If only I could look like him... Lol.

Thanks for the support!! I'm pushing for smooth sailing into my bridge of natty supps before I kill it again on a cycle.
Gotta turn into juggernaut.
 
mattrag said:
Oh yea to clarify these pics will be of muscle gains, not my ball size before and after PCT lol.
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Thank god for that!
 
mattrag said:
Oh yea to clarify these pics will be of muscle gains, not my ball size before and after PCT lol.
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Thank god for that!
 
you sure do have a solid pct planned, im hoping it goes well...PR's the second week are a good sign.
 
Diabolik said:
Haha, damn bro there goes my suggestion! Well I'm sorry to hear that man, hopefully you get it worked out soon. I can't stand having a few nagging injuries here and there, I can't imagine having stuff that serious. Good luck getting it straightened out!
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Yeah man it's crap but I'm dealing with it it's just slow. If I don't deal with it right I can have pain for the rest of my life. Not cool. And the treatment for this injury is like crap. Nothing really works consistently. Anyways I am feeling better as I have been resting stretching stim ice heat and some gentle cardio.


Matt glad the pct is going good. Glad your PR and keeping the strength. I know the half life's of some stuff can be a few days. But at this point it's all out of your system. You gotta remember your still gaining muscle in response to previous stimulus so your strength has continued for the past week or so because of that. Now your just concentrating on keepin it and with your pct and your drive and good diet and habits I have no doubt you'll do very well. Keep it up bro!

Haha. I like your comment about getting small. Try no lifting for a month plus no supps and about 1/3 of your previous diet. That's this guy right here.
 
CountryLiftin said:
Yeah man it's crap but I'm dealing with it it's just slow. If I don't deal with it right I can have pain for the rest of my life. Not cool. And the treatment for this injury is like crap. Nothing really works consistently. Anyways I am feeling better as I have been resting stretching stim ice heat and some gentle cardio.


Matt glad the pct is going good. Glad your PR and keeping the strength. I know the half life's of some stuff can be a few days. But at this point it's all out of your system. You gotta remember your still gaining muscle in response to previous stimulus so your strength has continued for the past week or so because of that. Now your just concentrating on keepin it and with your pct and your drive and good diet and habits I have no doubt you'll do very well. Keep it up bro!

Haha. I like your comment about getting small. Try no lifting for a month plus no supps and about 1/3 of your previous diet. That's this guy right here.
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Actually, I haven't had mdrol is almost 3 weeks. I dropped it 1 week before PCT and just stayed on AH. (Won't do that again... I need more. that last week was rough... unless I'm going to be dieting and know my body will be getting more beat up).
Plus Mdrol's half life is like 4 hours heheh. I know the androgens stay elevated for a while but not this long ;)
I would say that this would have to be because of my training block... I am used to high volume in most cases (unassisted). So when I went on a strength cycle on Mdrol I gained the CNS capacity to hold/move the weight and now I am just keeping the weight on. I'm pretty sure if I was eating 1/3 of what I eat I would die though... No supps? I could probably do it... but i'd be much smaller (I think). The extra androgens and anabolics just keep us bigger, we get strength, but there is a finite limit. A life time natty powerlifter (squat 1040 in suit), said he just has to take a bit more rest, and his strength cycles have to be planned out more thoroughly. Like 2-3 weeks heavy, then 1-2 weeks of light. But I don't like light.... HEAVY. Even when I train light, I want it to be heavy lol. All about how fast you wanna get there. The supps will make it faster. Though I'll probably die faster... it's something I am willing to accept haha.
 
Srt4Muscle said:
you sure do have a solid pct planned, im hoping it goes well...PR's the second week are a good sign.
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Yea, The PRs are REALLY minor though. 1 more rep per set. It keeps me aiming for a goal though. And I think my chest is completely healed. I no longer feel the pain that I had before. I'm not going to test it though seeing it hasnt even been one week... Must be the extra can of coconut milk I added in everyday to increase my fats to 30% in grams of total calories hahahha!
 
in for pics (no homo) also dont feel like looking through all the pages, but what was your calorie intake? just a lil curious
 
megamutent8 said:
in for pics (no homo) also dont feel like looking through all the pages, but what was your calorie intake? just a lil curious
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Started off trying to cut at 100g carbs, 300g protein, 50g fats. Gained like 10lbs and decided to bulk. Then I just upped my protein to around 350-400, carbs to 300-500 and fats stayed around the same. Kept them low.
I am still up 20lbs. But now I eat more like
100-300g carbs, 250-300g protein and 80-150g fat. Lower fat on carb ups. I probably get in more than that as I track via the diabetic exchange method. Where my lean meats don't have any fat, my veggies are free, and I'm allowed two servings of blue berries. I'd say calorie wise I get in around 3000 a day, when I lift I get 3800 or so.
 
mattrag said:
Started off trying to cut at 100g carbs, 300g protein, 50g fats. Gained like 10lbs and decided to bulk. Then I just upped my protein to around 350-400, carbs to 300-500 and fats stayed around the same. Kept them low.
I am still up 20lbs. But now I eat more like
100-300g carbs, 250-300g protein and 80-150g fat. Lower fat on carb ups. I probably get in more than that as I track via the diabetic exchange method. Where my lean meats don't have any fat, my veggies are free, and I'm allowed two servings of blue berries. I'd say calorie wise I get in around 3000 a day, when I lift I get 3800 or so.
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ahh ok sounds like you have things under control thats good
 
megamutent8 said:
ahh ok sounds like you have things under control thats good
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Nah, I'm always reading. But I know fats are for hormones. Insulin is for growth. I wanna get bigger so I eat carbs. Insulin is estrogenic though so I tend to keep it down in pct and up the fats to take care of the calorie load I need so I don't shrink.
I only eat real foods though. Nothing processed, no sugar, no beans, no wheat, and I try to stay away from all phyto estrogens.
 
mattrag said:
Actually, I haven't had mdrol is almost 3 weeks. I dropped it 1 week before PCT and just stayed on AH. (Won't do that again... I need more. that last week was rough... unless I'm going to be dieting and know my body will be getting more beat up).
Plus Mdrol's half life is like 4 hours heheh. I know the androgens stay elevated for a while but not this long ;)
I would say that this would have to be because of my training block... I am used to high volume in most cases (unassisted). So when I went on a strength cycle on Mdrol I gained the CNS capacity to hold/move the weight and now I am just keeping the weight on. I'm pretty sure if I was eating 1/3 of what I eat I would die though... No supps? I could probably do it... but i'd be much smaller (I think). The extra androgens and anabolics just keep us bigger, we get strength, but there is a finite limit. A life time natty powerlifter (squat 1040 in suit), said he just has to take a bit more rest, and his strength cycles have to be planned out more thoroughly. Like 2-3 weeks heavy, then 1-2 weeks of light. But I don't like light.... HEAVY. Even when I train light, I want it to be heavy lol. All about how fast you wanna get there. The supps will make it faster. Though I'll probably die faster... it's something I am willing to accept haha.
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I agree with everything you said almost as if it came out of my mouth. Lol. An oh 3 weeks? Nice. I know there are some out there with 3-4 day half life's and you stay elevated for a time after that but your right it's def out. Haha. And definitely. Lots o food lots of supps. Lots of test. And lots of sleep and work. Equals win. Planned diet workouts and rest. Super win.
 
CountryLiftin said:
I agree with everything you said almost as if it came out of my mouth. Lol. An oh 3 weeks? Nice. I know there are some out there with 3-4 day half life's and you stay elevated for a time after that but your right it's def out. Haha. And definitely. Lots o food lots of supps. Lots of test. And lots of sleep and work. Equals win. Planned diet workouts and rest. Super win.
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Yup food, training, rest and supps.

:)
 
Took some pics (not so good lighting) and measurements last night. I'll try get them up soon. I'm working on getting my old comp back online too.... Which would solve many problems.

My biceps were up to 47 cms on the right and 46 on left. (flexed)
Waist 87cm
Chest 107cms
Hip 103cms

I think my arms are up about a cm? Not bad. My chest exploded. And I gained about 2cm on my waist. (where my bellybutton is. )
 
mattrag said:
Took some pics (not so good lighting) and measurements last night. I'll try get them up soon. I'm working on getting my old comp back online too.... Which would solve many problems.

My biceps were up to 47 cms on the right and 46 on left. (flexed)
Waist 87cm
Chest 107cms
Hip 103cms

I think my arms are up about a cm? Not bad. My chest exploded. And I gained about 2cm on my waist. (where my bellybutton is. )
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18.5 inch arms! Yeah now I really feel small thanks. Someday...
 
PCT day 12
Workout

Bent Over rows
135x15
225x10
295x3
315X7
315X7 (PR for both being 7)
245x12

standing military
45x40
85x10
135x3
175x9 (PR)
175x8

Squats
135x15
225x10
255x10
255x10

(Squats getting a lot stronger)

Ez bar curls
70x15
70x15
90x9
90x9 (PR)

Tricep ext
70x18
70x18

Upright row
70x18
70x18

Side/front/rear lat raise

20x14x2

Good work today.

Sadly day 12 of my PCT I am getting moody sides. Feeling I am going to take longer to get the balls working. Probably just need time. 5 weeks of Sdrol is not something to be taken lightly. I have more clomid and some torem if I have to extend my PCT further. Feeling strong. Well at least today....
 
PCT day 13...
Today was horrible. Not even done yet. I hope I get better. Weight dropped like another 4lbs last night (on top of the usual 7lbs I lose when I sleep)... WTF?! I ate. lol. Damn!
Anyway, I am so far up only around 16lbs now. Hopefully today is just a fluke.. Feeling REALLY flat. (Though yesterday was a high carb day cause I worked out). I guess cortisol is kinda rising. I will add a couple things to my PCT.

EndoAmp (PPs stuff). And if i feel like my estrogen is still too high I'm gonna use the sustain alpha (transdermal).

Should help out... Size of arms still are quite big though... lol.
 
End of day 13. I am gonna add the endoamp max to night time dosing to try get me to sleep better. I feel elevated cortisol levels. My left eye lid keeps twitching (past two days). So I have a feeling it has something to do with that.
Also, lowered nolva to 10mgs.
 
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