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KLEEN - Satisfies his Needtobuildmuscle with Transaderm - An NTBM Sponsored Log
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DreamWeaver
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Yah I was looking at the New Balance version a few days back, they wanted 130 bucks for them. Seemed excessive to me...
taman6886
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I just do em in socks
If I am gonna do that (like if I brought the wrong shoes) I'll just DL or Squat barefoot.
thundergod
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And I always take the opportunity to remind you that God called and He wants His shoes back!!
MrKleen73
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Workout Log and RS-Transaderm Week 1 Review
I am going to give my first week impressions of RS-Transaderm here so you have an idea of what to expect from a slightly higher than normal dose of the product. Keep in mind I came off a run of EndoSurge that had me feeling pretty high on the testosterone axis, so anywhere I mention things have not changed should be considered great and any improvements should seem that much more impressive.
Alpha Male - I was already feeling very much like an Alpha on the Endosurge and the RS- Transaderm has not let me down on this aspect. I continue to feel a great amount of confidence and like I automatically command attention and respect when I walk in a room.
Aggression - I have not experienced any increase in negative aggression that I or my wife has noticed other than sounding more aggressive due to vocal projection when on my pre workout which is typical of me when I am stimmed. So not anything negative here.
Composition - It is to early to tell however I don't seem to notice much at this point. There are some visual changes but not sure if any actual change in body fat or muscular composition. I will touch on this comment in the sides section.
Strength - I am already noticing an increase in strength that seem above and beyond the progression I was having even while on the testosterone booster. You will see this reflected in my workout posted below as I always comment on the difference between this workout and the one prior to it there.
Size - I have gained about 2 pounds. However I know this is not muscle mass or at least not all of it. Once again I will touch on this in the sides section.
Libido - Libido remains consistently high as it was before on the test booster.
Appetite - My appetite has not increased but it was already high before. I will be seeing how this goes shortly as I have made a decision to begin a cut with my wife since she is cutting to make things easier on her.
Sides - Here is the rub... Yeah PUN intended. Even though RS-Transaderm has some AI properties to keep the conversion to Estrogen lower, they do not appear to be sufficient even at one pump above a normal dose. I am obviously holding water and my abs have smoothed over a bit, making it hard to tell what part of the 2 lbs I put on this week is water and what is muscle. I am not overly excited about this and have decided as a 1-2 punch to try to keep my Testosterone elevated during the run as well as estrogen down I am adding in T-911 which has some natural SERMS in it as well as AI's. Thanks to ThunderGod for reminding me about it. I had some here saw it the other day and thought HMMMM. The he recommended it highly for this and I knew better than to second guess Thunder from his thrown high on the mountain!
The Workout -
Pull Ups - (Warmed up on pull downs) 165x8, Pull Ups - BWx8, BW+25 x8, BW+25 x8 > Chins BWx5 - these work sets were a little easier this week than last, I also got an extra 2 reps on the drop set to BW chins.
Standing Military Press - 95x8, 135x8, 155x8, 155x10 > 115x6 - Nice increase here on reps! I only got 7 reps on my second set of 155 last week and got 10 this week. I felt I could have went up a little in weight so I pushed for more reps and got them. I also had 10 more lbs on the drop set this week and still got 2 more reps there. Strength is definitely up.
Curls - 75x8, 125x4, 105x10 > 75x5 - This was a different set scheme last time I started at 125 and got 8 then dropped immediately. Here obviously I tired the biceps out a little with that first set and then skewed things with the second. I think next week I will start with 110-115 and see where I can progress from there to get a better read on what is happening here.
Dead Lifts - 225x8, 315x8, 375x8, 380x9 > 315x3 - It has been 2 weeks since I dead lifted last. In that time MAJOR improvements have taken place here. My 3rd set then was 365x8, so up 10lb there, 4rth was 275x5, so up 5 lbs here and 4 reps, considering I did the weght I did before for only 5 on the first really heavy work set, and then went up to get 4 more reps than I could with it last week at a lower weight I am REALLY impressed with this.
I am going to give my first week impressions of RS-Transaderm here so you have an idea of what to expect from a slightly higher than normal dose of the product. Keep in mind I came off a run of EndoSurge that had me feeling pretty high on the testosterone axis, so anywhere I mention things have not changed should be considered great and any improvements should seem that much more impressive.
Alpha Male - I was already feeling very much like an Alpha on the Endosurge and the RS- Transaderm has not let me down on this aspect. I continue to feel a great amount of confidence and like I automatically command attention and respect when I walk in a room.
Aggression - I have not experienced any increase in negative aggression that I or my wife has noticed other than sounding more aggressive due to vocal projection when on my pre workout which is typical of me when I am stimmed. So not anything negative here.
Composition - It is to early to tell however I don't seem to notice much at this point. There are some visual changes but not sure if any actual change in body fat or muscular composition. I will touch on this comment in the sides section.
Strength - I am already noticing an increase in strength that seem above and beyond the progression I was having even while on the testosterone booster. You will see this reflected in my workout posted below as I always comment on the difference between this workout and the one prior to it there.
Size - I have gained about 2 pounds. However I know this is not muscle mass or at least not all of it. Once again I will touch on this in the sides section.
Libido - Libido remains consistently high as it was before on the test booster.
Appetite - My appetite has not increased but it was already high before. I will be seeing how this goes shortly as I have made a decision to begin a cut with my wife since she is cutting to make things easier on her.
Sides - Here is the rub... Yeah PUN intended. Even though RS-Transaderm has some AI properties to keep the conversion to Estrogen lower, they do not appear to be sufficient even at one pump above a normal dose. I am obviously holding water and my abs have smoothed over a bit, making it hard to tell what part of the 2 lbs I put on this week is water and what is muscle. I am not overly excited about this and have decided as a 1-2 punch to try to keep my Testosterone elevated during the run as well as estrogen down I am adding in T-911 which has some natural SERMS in it as well as AI's. Thanks to ThunderGod for reminding me about it. I had some here saw it the other day and thought HMMMM. The he recommended it highly for this and I knew better than to second guess Thunder from his thrown high on the mountain!
The Workout -
Pull Ups - (Warmed up on pull downs) 165x8, Pull Ups - BWx8, BW+25 x8, BW+25 x8 > Chins BWx5 - these work sets were a little easier this week than last, I also got an extra 2 reps on the drop set to BW chins.
Standing Military Press - 95x8, 135x8, 155x8, 155x10 > 115x6 - Nice increase here on reps! I only got 7 reps on my second set of 155 last week and got 10 this week. I felt I could have went up a little in weight so I pushed for more reps and got them. I also had 10 more lbs on the drop set this week and still got 2 more reps there. Strength is definitely up.
Curls - 75x8, 125x4, 105x10 > 75x5 - This was a different set scheme last time I started at 125 and got 8 then dropped immediately. Here obviously I tired the biceps out a little with that first set and then skewed things with the second. I think next week I will start with 110-115 and see where I can progress from there to get a better read on what is happening here.
Dead Lifts - 225x8, 315x8, 375x8, 380x9 > 315x3 - It has been 2 weeks since I dead lifted last. In that time MAJOR improvements have taken place here. My 3rd set then was 365x8, so up 10lb there, 4rth was 275x5, so up 5 lbs here and 4 reps, considering I did the weght I did before for only 5 on the first really heavy work set, and then went up to get 4 more reps than I could with it last week at a lower weight I am REALLY impressed with this.
RickRock13
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Incredible week one review Kleen! Thank you very much for all your feedback! Interested in hearing what you think in another week or so...
thundergod
Well-known member
I merely confessed with my mouth what you already believed in your heart. How should it not then come to pass? AMEN.
DreamWeaver
Legend
Based on your review how would Formastanzol stack with this when used at a higher dose.
MrKleen73
Legend
Love it!
I think it would stack great, I think a lower dose would do nicely though maybe 3 pumps a day thne moving up to 6 or so during the PCT. The bottle of Forma lasts plenty long to do this also.
DreamWeaver
Legend
Yah lower dose Forma but when using Higher dose Transaderm is what I was eluding to... yah you'd dose the forma only as needed.
MrKleen73
Legend
Total Testosterone Results.
Well I got several bits of info at the doctors today. First my bloodwork looks great as far as cholesteral, and my PSA came back perfect for Prostate anogens which I thought had been rather sensitive to diet pills and the like but not so apparently. It seems it is not my prostate causing me trouble but something else with urine flow. That is good and bad news. Bad because now I have to go to a uroligist and get a full workout including them shoving something up my urethra... Good in the fact that if I want to run a PH or DS I can without worry which is the reason I was actually not going to run them any longer. I may very well add in some Epi to this run in a pulse due to that. That or I thought about trying my hand at the Trenazone.
Now for my testosterone levels, not quite what I had hoped for, but basically sealing the deal for me to crash them the rest of the way and go get on TRT. My total serum levels were only 487, in case you don't know that sucks! It isn't "low" by the dumb standard they use for the average range of people tested which includes un healthy people, but for the androgen levels by age it is pathetic. Here is a chart of averages done in studies by age groups. You will not my level falls in the 65-74 range and in the lower end of that actually. That explains why I get so much out of test boosters that free up testosterone, but don't seem to have major succes with ones that just boost total test. My levels are sub par and getting my free test up makes me feel like someone my age should.
Well I got several bits of info at the doctors today. First my bloodwork looks great as far as cholesteral, and my PSA came back perfect for Prostate anogens which I thought had been rather sensitive to diet pills and the like but not so apparently. It seems it is not my prostate causing me trouble but something else with urine flow. That is good and bad news. Bad because now I have to go to a uroligist and get a full workout including them shoving something up my urethra... Good in the fact that if I want to run a PH or DS I can without worry which is the reason I was actually not going to run them any longer. I may very well add in some Epi to this run in a pulse due to that. That or I thought about trying my hand at the Trenazone.
Now for my testosterone levels, not quite what I had hoped for, but basically sealing the deal for me to crash them the rest of the way and go get on TRT. My total serum levels were only 487, in case you don't know that sucks! It isn't "low" by the dumb standard they use for the average range of people tested which includes un healthy people, but for the androgen levels by age it is pathetic. Here is a chart of averages done in studies by age groups. You will not my level falls in the 65-74 range and in the lower end of that actually. That explains why I get so much out of test boosters that free up testosterone, but don't seem to have major succes with ones that just boost total test. My levels are sub par and getting my free test up makes me feel like someone my age should.
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thebigt
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1st off, if you are peeing to much and it's not prostrate, it could be your kidneys are making too much urine. 2nd-psi tests are nortiously inaccurate.
as to your test, you are right-no doc will put you on trt with those numbers...i know you think they are low, but they have set ridiculous standards. tren will lower your total test way down, if thats what you are looking for.
btw-look at the graphs, they have a 44 year old higher than a 25, lol.
MrKleen73
Legend
I can always look on the bright side they are above halfway between low and the highest. What are your levels now being treated Big T? I mean there isn't much reason to worry about it if I wouldn't really go above what I am now on replacement therapy. I just know libido isn't what it was a few years ago, it isn't like I am losing muscle mass or anything I just don't feel as good or amped for life if I am not running something. Also I was on EndoSurge when they did the test which I thought would make them come out higher than that. I definitely felt it was up, but was more likely due to the free test levels being higher.
thundergod
Well-known member
I've seen this scenario played out so many times. Guys will assume and comment, "I feel like my testosterone levels are high. I feel good. Libido is decent, etc."
But when the truth is told, their testosterone levels are low. They just aren't aware how good they really could be feeling if they were to make the decision and get on TRT. And if your doctor won't prescribe it, try another doctor.
And if that fails, medicate yourself. ha ha "Physician, heal thyself" type scenario.
Make the plunge Kleen, you will NEVER regret it!!
DreamWeaver
Legend
You fugger!! always wavin that damn fuggin carrot!! lol
KleensQueen
Member
MINUS my ears hurting from the picking up and dropping down, then hearin r u f'in kiddin me.. you KILLED it babe!
KleensQueen
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thebigt
Legend
my last test i was 817 on total test....
MrKleen73
Legend
Awwww shucks Ma'am your making me blush! I love you too!that just tells ya, UR NOT NORMAL! lol.I love you babe
See that is what I am talking about right there. I would be loving that. I figure at 38 and the shape I am in, I should be enjoying the best life has to offer and it sounds like that is much better than 487.
Heck I might have to start buying the wife more jewelry then tho...
MrKleen73
Legend
Okay so now I am done with my hissy fit about my testosterone levels. I knew when I started this that it may have not been long enough to have fully recovered even though I felt like a stud for a bit. Well I had to have my silly reactionary time and reflect on things a bit. I have come up with a few things that are going to happen here.
1. I am going t have to pause this run of Transaderm temporarily as I do not believe my HPTA has fully recovered from the long azz run I just came off of. I forgot that I need to go 2 times time on and time on was in 10 weeks. Although this may not be very suppressive it will definitely inhibit hurtthe recovery of which I truly believe my HPTA system is capable of.
2. Make a new plan of attack to both increase total and free testosterone levels back up to 600, while continuing to improve my performance and physique.
3. Come back in 4-6 weeks and kick ass on this log. Well it will probably be another one. However I have a STRONG feeling that my next log will include NTBM Bridge. I do hope that is okay with Rick and NTBM but I have to do what is right for me and tanking my HPTA system to go on TRT is the easy way out of a hard situation so I have to give recovery a shot first. Give me a day or two to get my plan set in stone and I will announce it here. I WILL CONTINUE THIS LOG AT A LATER DATE!!!!! Well Start up a new one more than likely but need to handle my HPTA situation first.
1. I am going t have to pause this run of Transaderm temporarily as I do not believe my HPTA has fully recovered from the long azz run I just came off of. I forgot that I need to go 2 times time on and time on was in 10 weeks. Although this may not be very suppressive it will definitely inhibit hurtthe recovery of which I truly believe my HPTA system is capable of.
2. Make a new plan of attack to both increase total and free testosterone levels back up to 600, while continuing to improve my performance and physique.
3. Come back in 4-6 weeks and kick ass on this log. Well it will probably be another one. However I have a STRONG feeling that my next log will include NTBM Bridge. I do hope that is okay with Rick and NTBM but I have to do what is right for me and tanking my HPTA system to go on TRT is the easy way out of a hard situation so I have to give recovery a shot first. Give me a day or two to get my plan set in stone and I will announce it here. I WILL CONTINUE THIS LOG AT A LATER DATE!!!!! Well Start up a new one more than likely but need to handle my HPTA situation first.
mattrag
Legend
Good idea man, dont wanna take your HPTA system down to 200 or something. What will you do to raise your levels you think? And coming off a stinging nettle root your SHBG should have been lowered freeing up some test right? What other pathways will you try to access to get more test/ less conversion into estrogen?
Also, dont let this get too far into your head
Mood can affect hormone levels too I find.
TurningGreen
Well-known member
Good luck brother. Best to listen to your body, and do whats right for you. If you start up a new LOG for anything be sure to hit me with a link. Thanks for the info about the liver on my thread, definitely made me feel better.
MrKleen73
Legend
Good idea man, dont wanna take your HPTA system down to 200 or something. What will you do to raise your levels you think? And coming off a stinging nettle root your SHBG should have been lowered freeing up some test right? What other pathways will you try to access to get more test/ less conversion into estrogen?
Also, dont let this get too far into your head
Thanks man, I still need to talk to RickRock. I wish I had the cash to buy some HCGhenerate I know that would lick this for sure, but I don't so I will try using the bottle of Bridge I have which has about half the dose of the Fadogia and I plan on using some Formula X I have on the way. It has LCLT and 3 grams of DAA per serving. I have some Testopro which I will run more than likely depending on what I come up with. So that is a good month worth of stuff right there. I will have to add some type of mucana product or high doses of vitamin b to counter the prolactin elevating side effect of DAA so either I will add in Ghenerate, PowerFULL or Bulk 1-Carboxy.
mattrag
Legend
yea HCgenerate is pricey. I have heard that high dose Vit B6 can actually have negative effects on the androgen receptor, I'm not 100% sure on the research, but I have heard some steroid guru's state that mega dosing Vit B can have negative effects on test levels. Just something to think about.
Good luck man, hopefully rick will let you run this short recover cycle to get your test levels back.
John Smeton
Legend
Chris, do you think using l dopa for months on end could have side effects ?
DreamWeaver
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Chris I was kind of wondering when you started this, you are in pretty much the same boat as me and I had decided to wait till the new year. I did make a comment but I though Chris knows what he is doing and this is pretty mild but I think you've made a good decision to opt for recovery....
RickRock13
Well-known member
MrKleen73 said:
Returned your PM brother. I'm doing my best to get you set up with some HCGenerate. I know a lot of people would be very interested in that bloodwork. If I have to I may just send you one out of my personal stash for now...I will let you know something soon my man
MrKleen73
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Yeah I had thought about it pretty hard but with how awesome I felt on the EndoSurge I figured my T Levels must have been up pretty high. That just tells you what the Testosterone Freeing capability of it is. With my own levels not too high it was still about to give me major boost and a 3 lb gain while getting a tiny bit leaner. I mentioned to Rick that I had some concerns about it when i started but in the end went with what my impression of my testosterone levels were instead at least until I got the results.
Returned your PM brother. I'm doing my best to get you set up with some HCGenerate. I know a lot of people would be very interested in that bloodwork. If I have to I may just send you one out of my personal stash for now...I will let you know something soon my man
Excellent! I got your PM and appreciate the understanding of the situation. I guess when you get shut down on something for a while it is pretty easy for you to feel pretty recovered even when in low normal range. For now I am running my T911 and a little testopro I had lying around. If the HCGenerate comes through I will start a new log with it in the title.
In the interim let me go ahead and talk about my workout from this morning which in no way reflects low test levels.
Bench - 135x8, 225x8, 250x8, 255x6 > 205x3 - I got an 6 last time with 250 and 255 is the highest I have been since surgery.
HS Rows - 45x8, 90x8, 95x8, 100x10>55x10 - I didn't try to go up on these this time I just made sure to have nice clean pulls and get a good contraction. I hit back thickness pretty hard on the Dead lifts which is where my strength effort is on the back thickness at this point. These are just for added volume and good muscle contraction through a full range of motion.
Dips- BW+90x8, BW+90x10, BW+90x10 > BWx12 - Added volume and shoulders are feeling the cold weather the dips were aggravating them a little bit. I figured the extra volume would take care of them and it sure did.
Squats - 135x12, 225x12, 245x12, 275x12 > Front squats 135x12 Just wanted to do something a little different here. The front squats acually felt really good too. I may see about doing them instead for a little bit. @75x12 was the highest I have been since my hip issue. Not bad at all and no hip pain.
thebigt
Legend
yea HCgenerate is pricey. I have heard that high dose Vit B6 can actually have negative effects on the androgen receptor, I'm not 100% sure on the research, but I have heard some steroid guru's state that mega dosing Vit B can have negative effects on test levels. Just something to think about.
Good luck man, hopefully rick will let you run this short recover cycle to get your test levels back.
my personal experience says this is wrong-at least in my case...i mega dose vit6 often and my t level is at an all time high.
DreamWeaver
Legend
Well once you are fully recovered you're going to get a lot more out of this in the long run...I was just saying on Phins thread that I will blow up come new year.. look out!!
MrKleen73
Legend
I think so too. I have no doubt I can recover beyond this. I just haven't given myself the right amount of time. Good to stop and fully recovery before I hit up anything hormonal that could blunt recovery or or worse get my body used to a lower level of testosterone.
Thanks Morry. Sometimes it is hard to reign in the desire to continue bull dozing through things via sheer will and fortitude. That is after all how those of us who live for this game are designed isn't it?
MrKleen73
Legend
Accessory weights.
I didn't get a chance to post up in here yesterday regarding the lift it was an accessory day. Here is the workout very little rest and was in and out in less than 35 minutes once warmed up. Was sweating something fierce when it was all said and done. I have not heard back from Rick yet so I assume he did not hear anything back from NTBM on the HCGenerate. Not a big deal but I will be starting a new more generic log some time this weekend that accurately portrays what I am doing to increase my testosterone levels. I will definitely pick up logging the RS-Transaderm as soon as my testosterone levels are back up to snuff. I will more than likely be running some Bridge in my quest for testosterone optimization also since I have a bottle of it.
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I didn't get a chance to post up in here yesterday regarding the lift it was an accessory day. Here is the workout very little rest and was in and out in less than 35 minutes once warmed up. Was sweating something fierce when it was all said and done. I have not heard back from Rick yet so I assume he did not hear anything back from NTBM on the HCGenerate. Not a big deal but I will be starting a new more generic log some time this weekend that accurately portrays what I am doing to increase my testosterone levels. I will definitely pick up logging the RS-Transaderm as soon as my testosterone levels are back up to snuff. I will more than likely be running some Bridge in my quest for testosterone optimization also since I have a bottle of it.
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RickRock13
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MrKleen73 said:
PM sent to you earlier bro. Check your inbox. Send me your shipping info and we will get a bottle of HCGenerate out to you. I'm anxious to see what the bloodwork looks like after a good run of it.
MrKleen73
Legend
Yeah the I have used HCGen before with what felt like great results. I will have a baseline to go from on this one which will be good. Even if I can't get my levels all the way back up to over 600 I will just use EndoSurge and still kick ass. I got 3 lbs out of it with sub par levels. Says a lot about the Free Test increase right there.
The HCGen should be nice though. lots of testofen in there which I would rate my second favorite ingredient for increasing free test and a relatively close second to Divanil. I know my libido is probably going to get crazy on this one.
The HCGen should be nice though. lots of testofen in there which I would rate my second favorite ingredient for increasing free test and a relatively close second to Divanil. I know my libido is probably going to get crazy on this one.
RickRock13
Well-known member
MrKleen73 said:
The fadogia and testofen(fenugreek extract) is a great combo for freeing up test. Should help out considerably.
Frank Reynolds
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Great log. Looking forward to seeing what HcGenerate will do to your T.
MrKleen73
Legend
Thanks Frank!
I will start a new one. Nothing like coming to a log labeled one thing and finding out it is for a completely different product.
It is good stuff. There are some studies out there on it. I used the T-Force and it worked well. Add in that Free Test of AN's and you will have one hell of a ride.