Orbit had it up for 14.99 yesterday.
Are you serious?! I check them constantly and I missed it?! Man...Orbit had it up for 14.99 yesterday.
Yup saw it. Thanks.Hurry. Just checked and it shows in stock for 14.99!
Thanks I just picked up 4 bottlesOrbit had it up for 14.99 yesterday.
Euros and Pounds are for weenies. Everyone knows the true strength lies in the USD.........$13.99, in England for £10? Happy days lol.
Unlikely.$13.99, in England for £10? Happy days lol.
it lowers it as a consequence of reduced body fat
although i have seen one study where leptin is raised from UA. but that could be early on, before the fat losss begins
and why not $30 for 2 bottles from the other site?Still waiting on Nutraplanet to get this in. No way I'll pay $50 for a one month(two week) supply.
WOW now the price is $18.99 WTF!!!!Still waiting on Nutraplanet to get this in. No way I'll pay $50 for a one month(two week) supply.
$30 isn't that bad but considering it takes 2 full weeks before the product kicks I'm not sure about that price. Still I prefer to order from Nutraplanet. Ergo has always put out quality products but they are usually expensive. Hopefully this product is worth the price.and why not $30 for 2 bottles from the other site?
Yea. I'm hoping so. That $4 price increase on that stuff made me not order it. So unless it hits 14.99 for 120 or like 29.99 for the 240. I doubt I'll be running. Unless results are amazing.I think a 240 caps bottle is much better and cheaper.
Yea sounds about right as far as the recomping effects. I wonder if they work similar pathways? Hmm. That'd be bad though and I doubt he'd say you could take it year round if that was the case lol.PA compared it to Clen except that you can take it year round. that makes me very excited about it, but at the same time want to hold off to read other use feedback. I'm hoping it lives up to expectation.
Unsponsored logs and from people who are shelling out cash for the product will be the way to gauge this product. Also, those who don't worship Pat would be a plusYea. I'm hoping so. That $4 price increase on that stuff made me not order it. So unless it hits 14.99 for 120 or like 29.99 for the 240. I doubt I'll be running. Unless results are amazing.
Well only the logs will tell.
Yup. Only time and unsponsored skeptics logs will tell.Unsponsored logs and from people who are shelling out cash for the product will be the way to gauge this product. Also, those who don't worship Pat would be a plus![]()
LOL. I forgot about the drunk part! Out of most of the substances to party with, I would definitely rank over-consumption of ethanol to be one of my least favored things. This product must be some kind of miracle. I wonder what other products Pat was using concurrently. Pat is a very intelligent scientest and a great innovator, but above all he is a businessman. Despite this, my gut tells me that this will end up being a good product.Yup. Only time and unsponsored skeptics logs will tell.
Find it kinda hard to believe any supp that allows you to be drunk all the time and still be shredded could have been kept secret for so long lol.
Anyway this month and next I'll probably not have enough money to order anything over my staples. So I gotta wait anyway...![]()
LOL. I forgot about the drunk part! Out of most of the substances to party with, I would definitely rank over-consumption of ethanol to be one of my least favored things. This product must be some kind of miracle. I wonder what other products Pat was using concurrently. Pat is a very intelligent scientest and a great innovator, but above all he is a businessman. Despite this, my gut tells me that this will end up being a good product.
I prefer the price to drop, but I have a bad habit of over-spending.9 caps of anything a day is still a huge dose and extra stress on the liver. I mean that is an additional 9 pills to the supplements you are already taking. For those that choose to take 18 caps a day- well I don't even know what to say about that. If I have to continually take 18 capsules of product day in and day out in order for it be effective, well then I don't know if that is worth the extra liver stress or the money. That way a bottle would only last you 6 days, so $40 for 12 days worth and it takes 2 weeks to kick in?. Ummm, no thanks.
Yes he is a businessman, but I cannot think of one of his products that didn't deliver as promised. That's why he's so well respected. At this point it would not be in his best interest to put out something that wouldn't workLOL. I forgot about the drunk part! Out of most of the substances to party with, I would definitely rank over-consumption of ethanol to be one of my least favored things. This product must be some kind of miracle. I wonder what other products Pat was using concurrently. Pat is a very intelligent scientest and a great innovator, but above all he is a businessman. Despite this, my gut tells me that this will end up being a good product.
GETRIPPEDNUTRITION.COM has it for $13.99 a bottle, picking up 2 right nowI prefer the price to drop, but I have a bad habit of over-spending.![]()
T-Bone,9 caps of anything a day is still a huge dose and extra stress on the liver. I mean that is an additional 9 pills to the supplements you are already taking. For those that choose to take 18 caps a day- well I don't even know what to say about that. If I have to continually take 18 capsules of product day in and day out in order for it be effective, well then I don't know if that is worth the extra liver stress or the money. That way a bottle would only last you 6 days, so $40 for 12 days worth and it takes 2 weeks to kick in?. Ummm, no thanks.
T-Bone,
"Caps" in and of themselves do not put stress on the liver. That is ridiculous. I could take 5g of creatine monohydrate and spread it out into 100 capsules containing 50mg each, the same amount of UA that is in each cap of Ursobolic, and it wouldn't change anything.
Specific characteristics of the chemical in question, dictate whether or not it will be hepatotoxic (injurious to the liver).
Ursolic acid has actually been shown to be good for the liver. Maybe Henry will post the reference.
I can appreciate your desire to limit the amount of supplements you take. I'm the same way.I'm not saying it is hepatotoxic. I'm just saying the more pills you take the more stress you are going to put on your liver regardless of whether it is hepatotoxic or not.
9 caps of anything a day is still a huge dose and extra stress on the liver. I mean that is an additional 9 pills to the supplements you are already taking. For those that choose to take 18 caps a day- well I don't even know what to say about that. If I have to continually take 18 capsules of product day in and day out in order for it be effective, well then I don't know if that is worth the extra liver stress or the money. That way a bottle would only last you 6 days, so $40 for 12 days worth and it takes 2 weeks to kick in?. Ummm, no thanks.
T-Bone,
"Caps" in and of themselves do not put stress on the liver. That is ridiculous. I could take 5g of creatine monohydrate and spread it out into 100 capsules containing 50mg each, the same amount of UA that is in each cap of Ursobolic, and it wouldn't change anything.
Specific characteristics of the chemical in question, dictate whether or not it will be hepatotoxic (injurious to the liver).
Ursolic acid has actually been shown to be good for the liver. Maybe Henry will post the reference.
I'm not saying it is hepatotoxic. I'm just saying the more pills you take the more stress you are going to put on your liver regardless of whether it is hepatotoxic or not.
Simply upping your food intake puts extra stress on your liver so why wouldn't upping supplements? Even though they can be good for your liver.I can appreciate your desire to limit the amount of supplements you take. I'm the same way.
However, you must understand that simply ingesting pills of things will not put stress on your liver. It is the content of those pills and the characteristics thereof, that will determine what will or will not happen to your liver, and everything else in your body. In fact, there are many compounds that act in ways that protect the liver. N-Acetyl-Cysteine, for example.
My point is, there is absolutely no reason to think that Ursobolic will be harmful to your liver and in fact, there is evidence to the contrary.
All the logs will be unsponsored. We don't typically do sponsored logs. We agree that they aren't worth much.Unsponsored logs and from people who are shelling out cash for the product will be the way to gauge this product. Also, those who don't worship Pat would be a plus![]()
Please stop making stuff up.9 caps of anything a day is still a huge dose and extra stress on the liver. I mean that is an additional 9 pills to the supplements you are already taking. For those that choose to take 18 caps a day- well I don't even know what to say about that. If I have to continually take 18 capsules of product day in and day out in order for it be effective, well then I don't know if that is worth the extra liver stress or the money. That way a bottle would only last you 6 days, so $40 for 12 days worth and it takes 2 weeks to kick in?. Ummm, no thanks.
Thank you. Yes, ursolic acid has been shown to have hepatoprotective properties. I'll try and dig out some quotes/refs later.T-Bone,
"Caps" in and of themselves do not put stress on the liver. That is ridiculous. I could take 5g of creatine monohydrate and spread it out into 100 capsules containing 50mg each, the same amount of UA that is in each cap of Ursobolic, and it wouldn't change anything.
Specific characteristics of the chemical in question, dictate whether or not it will be hepatotoxic (injurious to the liver).
Ursolic acid has actually been shown to be good for the liver. Maybe Henry will post the reference.
If I stick with 9 caps instead of the 18, will that equate to 50% less stress on my liver?Please stop making stuff up.
Just started my log for any that are interested see link http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/183747-truthornothins-ursobolic-log.html#postAll the logs will be unsponsored. We don't typically do sponsored logs. We agree that they aren't worth much.
Please stop making stuff up.
Thank you. Yes, ursolic acid has been shown to have hepatoprotective properties. I'll try and dig out some quotes/refs later.
Performing your original search, ursolic acid liver ethanol, in PubMed will retrieve 3 records.
Life Sci. 2006 Jan 11;78(7):713-8. Epub 2005 Aug 30.
Protective effect of ursolic acid on ethanol-mediated experimental liver damage in rats.
Saravanan R, Viswanathan P, Pugalendi KV.
Source
Department of Biochemistry, Faculty of Science, Annamalai University, Annamalai Nagar 608 002, Tamilnadu, India.
Abstract
Ursolic acid is a triterpenoid that exists in nature and is the major component of some traditional medicinal herbs. In this study, ursolic acid has been evaluated for its hepatoprotective effect against chronic ethanol-mediated toxicity in rats. Ethanol administration (7.9 g/kg/day) for 60 days resulted in increased oxidative stress, decreased antioxidant defense and liver injury. It also negatively affected the serum total protein, albumin and A/G ratio. Subsequent to the experimental induction of toxicity (i.e. after the initial period of 30 days) ursolic acid treatment performed by co-administering ursolic acid (10, 20 and 40 mg/kg body weight) for 30 days along with the daily dose of ethanol. While this treatment causing a significant improvement in body weight, food intake and serum protein levels, it decreases serum aminotransferase activities (aspartate aminotransferase and alanine aminotransferase) and total bilirubin levels. Ursolic acid improved the antioxidant status of alcoholic rats, which is evaluated by the decreased levels of lipid peroxidation markers in plasma (thiobarbituric acid reactive substances and lipid hydroperoxides) and increased levels of circulatory antioxidants such as reduced glutathione, ascorbic acid and alpha-tocopherol. Histopathological observations were also in correlation with the biochemical parameters. The activity of ursolic acid (20 mg/kg) compares well with silymarin, a known hepatoprotective drug, and seems to be better in certain parameters. The protective effect of ursolic acid is probably related to its antioxidant activities.
PMID: 16137716 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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Better than milk thistle? Interesting. Thanks.The activity of ursolic acid (20 mg/kg) compares well with silymarin, a known hepatoprotective drug, and seems to be better in certain parameters.
Go for it. You'll have to pay for it though, we don't do sponsored logs.the only way to settle this is to let FIGHTBACK log the product![]()
Well then if everyone thats posted in this thread pitches in 1 dollar I can log itGo for it. You'll have to pay for it though, we don't do sponsored logs.
Bro, its as little a a buck a day give something else up it all about your prioritiesWell then if everyone thats posted in this thread pitches in 1 dollar I can log it.
someone can't take a joke hahah.Bro, its as little a a buck a day give something else up it all about your priorities
Oh I can take a joke, you should see my ex wife, and no I didn't seriously think you thought we'd give you a dollar we are greedy selfish bastards, we need our dollars for our own supplements. I was just saying quit wasting time, and add to the log jam lol:sasmokin: Or you can just follow along in mine http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/183747-truthornothins-ursobolic-log.htmlsomeone can't take a joke hahah.
you honestly expect me collect 1 dollar from everyone in this thread? lol that would be such a waste of my time.
9 caps of anything a day is still a huge dose and extra stress on the liver. I mean that is an additional 9 pills to the supplements you are already taking. For those that choose to take 18 caps a day- well I don't even know what to say about that. If I have to continually take 18 capsules of product day in and day out in order for it be effective, well then I don't know if that is worth the extra liver stress or the money. That way a bottle would only last you 6 days, so $40 for 12 days worth and it takes 2 weeks to kick in?. Ummm, no thanks.
I'm not saying it is hepatotoxic. I'm just saying the more pills you take the more stress you are going to put on your liver regardless of whether it is hepatotoxic or not.
Simply upping your food intake puts extra stress on your liver so why wouldn't upping supplements? Even though they can be good for your liver.
They show you a study that Ursolic Acid is more beneficial to your liver than milk thistle, and you still think the more caps you take the more harm it will do?The supplements you take the more stress on your liver. Everything has to be digested and the liver is part of that. I'm not saying this product will cause liver problems at all, someone mis-understood. If you have a guy that doesn't take any supplements and compare him to a guy that is taking say 20 different supplements and 30 pills a day. The guy taking all those supplements is going to have much more stress on his liver. Common sense. Eating more protein even puts extra stess on the liver.
They show you a study that Ursolic Acid is more beneficial to your liver than milk thistle, and you still think the more caps you take the more harm it will do?
Did you think that maybe a guy taking 100 caps could actually benefit their liver more than a guy who doesnt supplement at all?
Please stop using common sense, if you have some science to back up these claims please post it.
is that even legal?There are products out there already containing similar quantities of ursolic acid i.e 150mg of ursolic acid acid per serve ( 3 caps ). PA is not the first at this amount. Although his label says loquat leaf extract it is actually sourced from rosemary due to a change in raw material choice after his bottles were already printed.