NTBM's Dermacrine

TheDarkHalf said:
It should be any day now....just keep watching the store. Come's from Nate's brother in law who works for Nate.
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Not be a dick but this has been said for the past month. I think what is getting everyone worked up is because less than 100 units available and the uncertainty of when it is going to drop, people check the site multiple times a day and feel like they are getting the run around
 
bigbeef said:
Not be a dick but this has been said for the past month. I think what is getting everyone worked up is because less than 100 units available and the uncertainty of when it is going to drop, people check the site multiple times a day and feel like they are getting the run around
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I'm one of those people! I don't even know which section it's going to be in so I go to Prohormones, Cycle Support, Test Booster/PCT, then Health and Wellness!!!
 
I am under the impression that it will be on rls site
 
Hang on for more updates. I see no need to check the website until we get some more clarification.
 
We will let you guys know when we hear something. We are in the dark just as much as everyone else right now..
 
This is actually funny, it reads like a bunch of guys driving around completely lost with no idea where the hell they are and finally stop to ask a local for directions and that person says to them "I dunno".....18 pgs of its just over the next hill or right around the corner.....there should be a soap opera rating system for threads like these, best of luck getting this to market
 
scoooter said:
This is actually funny, it reads like a bunch of guys driving around completely lost with no idea where the hell they are and finally stop to ask a local for directions and that person says to them "I dunno".....18 pgs of its just over the next hill or right around the corner.....there should be a soap opera rating system for threads like these, best of luck getting this to market
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Thanks, I KNOW it exists, so that's a step in the right direction! :lol:
 
scoooter said:
This is actually funny, it reads like a bunch of guys driving around completely lost with no idea where the hell they are and finally stop to ask a local for directions and that person says to them "I dunno".....18 pgs of its just over the next hill or right around the corner.....there should be a soap opera rating system for threads like these, best of luck getting this to market
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Its to the point I question if I buy some now or not. Pass this on to Nate for me, I really hope it irritates him. Tell him to learn how to launch a product like an honest, customer focused business man not some fly by the seat of his pants supplement dealer. Don't make claims you can't back up and don't lead people on, it is unbecoming and why the supplement industry has a bad name. His favorite company PP found out the consequences of this and is still hearing about it. Guess what, he will hear about this and it won't just be forgotten by some "epic" sale like he thinks is the key to controlling his customers perception of him and NTBM. Yes, that is exactly what he does and his propaganda machine EliteFitness personifies this. People (myself especially and others I know on AM) try so hard to look past the arrogance but we just can't do it. Reps, you are all good people and I have a lot of respect for you sticking with a boss like that; I couldn't when I was at LG.
 
Yeah, I have not been back to PP since that fiasco. Still waiting on the RLS dermacrine or whatever its called now.

There are/can be supply chain and mfg issues that create unforeseen delays. I think these are understood and acceptable, however, its the communication that is a critical key component when using hype as a marketing tool. Keep the customer informed.

Again, good luck.
 
scoooter said:
Yeah, I have not been back to PP since that fiasco. Still waiting on the RLS dermacrine or whatever its called now.

There are/can be supply chain and mfg issues that create unforeseen delays. I think these are understood and acceptable, however, its the communication that is a critical key component when using hype as a marketing tool. Keep the customer informed.

Again, good luck.
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I hear you on the mfg issues, it is in fact what I do all the time for my career. That said, it amazes me the entire supplement industry is always "in the dark." Are you trying to tell me all the manufacturers are that bad and you keep using them? That is what I cannot wrap my head around but as an outsider it is easy to assume so I could be totally wrong in that aspect.
 
Not all mfg are bad. To fully understand these complexities is to know "how supplements are made" (check you tube).
 
oufinny said:
I hear you on the mfg issues, it is in fact what I do all the time for my career. That said, it amazes me the entire supplement industry is always "in the dark." Are you trying to tell me all the manufacturers are that bad and you keep using them? That is what I cannot wrap my head around but as an outsider it is easy to assume so I could be totally wrong in that aspect.
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This recent delay is not manufacturing related, simply communication at this point. Communication can be the toughest thing in some simple cases, marriage and the work place come to mind, where communication isn't as good as it should be. While it's not trivial, it's something that should be taken care of.

I don't think Nate, NTBM, or any of the reps are really "at fault", it's just one of those growing pains companies experience as NTBM has been growing very quickly. I assure you we are communicating this back to HQ, so hopefully we can improve based on your suggestions and comments. We're listening to you guys!
 
scoooter said:
Not all mfg are bad. To fully understand these complexities is to know "how supplements are made" (check you tube).
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LOL, it's not the homemade Bigger Faster Stronger style with Transaderm!
 
Milas said:
I don't think Nate, NTBM, or any of the reps are really "at fault", it's just one of those growing pains companies experience as NTBM has been growing very quickly.
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And just to add to things, Nate has just moved into a new office and store front, so that's what he's been doing the past few days. No excuse for the lack of communication between us and the customer, but just an FYI.
 
MidwestBeast said:
And just to add to things, Nate has just moved into a new office and store front, so that's what he's been doing the past few days. No excuse for the lack of communication between us and the customer, but just an FYI.
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that is a massive undertaking.

Can you say where the store front is ?
 
Milas said:
This recent delay is not manufacturing related, simply communication at this point. Communication can be the toughest thing in some simple cases, marriage and the work place come to mind, where communication isn't as good as it should be. While it's not trivial, it's something that should be taken care of.

I don't think Nate, NTBM, or any of the reps are really "at fault", it's just one of those growing pains companies experience as NTBM has been growing very quickly. I assure you we are communicating this back to HQ, so hopefully we can improve based on your suggestions and comments. We're listening to you guys!
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I swear its like the guy has dirty pictures of you guys with a chicken or something considering how quick you are to defend him. I spoke my peace, you have your opinion and I have mine. Customer service in the US has completely gone to s**t and the attitude where excuses are the norm in place of solutions prevails in all industries now it seems. Part of my frustration is just that, everything is getting worse and not better, this just has more of my attention so you get more of my frustration. Don't accept it as ok, don't defend it, don't make excuses for it, change it and/or demand it be changed. That is the only way it will get better. I do the same thing at my company everyday and it is the reason we are taking baby steps in the right direction when so many are laying people off around us.
 
oufinny said:
I swear its like the guy has dirty pictures of you guys with a chicken or something considering how quick you are to defend him. I spoke my peace, you have your opinion and I have mine. Customer service in the US has completely gone to s**t and the attitude where excuses are the norm in place of solutions prevails in all industries now it seems. Part of my frustration is just that, everything is getting worse and not better, this just has more of my attention so you get more of my frustration. Don't accept it as ok, don't defend it, don't make excuses for it, change it and/or demand it be changed. That is the only way it will get better. I do the same thing at my company everyday and it is the reason we are taking baby steps in the right direction when so many are laying people off around us.
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Milas said:
, so hopefully we can improve based on your suggestions and comments. We're listening to you guys!
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Wow, NTBM comes through!
 
60 servings and an improved server for $45 after the discount....ppl paid more for a lesser product with half the servings
 
got mine
 
I got 2 Transaderms, plus a Need2Slin. Aw yeah!
 
Grabbed one, thanks guys!! First time using this stuff, never tried PP's version. Thinking about stacking it with a bottle of formastanzol I still have.
 
subweevil said:
Grabbed one, thanks guys!! First time using this stuff, never tried PP's version. Thinking about stacking it with a bottle of formastanzol I still have.
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can't rep you again.....state college is in some trouble when you stack those two....LETS GO STATE!
 
Can we get some info on the label, ingredient quantities and such now that it is released.
 
DHEA 72mg
7,8 Benzoflavone 36mg
Resveratrol 36mg
Pregnenolone 18mg
Chrysin 9mg

Serving Size: 5 pumps
Servings per container: 60

(Copied from the label)
 
Rahl said:
DHEA 72mg
7,8 Benzoflavone 36mg
Resveratrol 36mg
Pregnenolone 18mg
Chrysin 9mg

Serving Size: 5 pumps
Servings per container: 60

(Copied from the label)
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So it is identical to the original just with more servings. I was under the impression it was going to be stronger by 20-30% but I could have read that wrong.
 
needtogetmuscle said:
No the product will stay exactly the same and unchanged. I have however spoken to Eric about giving it a slight upgrade later one. Thats a little present for everyone that I will not talk about till the day is almost upon us :scratchchin:
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^^Thats what I could find in this thread quick. I just remember hearing more servings for less $$$. I know some had asked to drip the preg but I've always loved the stuff the way it was so I'm just happy to see it in a better carrier.
 
oufinny said:
So it is identical to the original just with more servings. I was under the impression it was going to be stronger by 20-30% but I could have read that wrong.
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With the formastanzol carrier, you can expect a better absorption rate with the inclusion of DMSO. A rough estimate would be 10-20% improvement IMO. With the Emu oil and other goodies in the carrier, it could be even higher though, I don't know for sure.
 
Rahl said:
^^Thats what I could find in this thread quick. I just remember hearing more servings for less $$$. I know some had asked to drip the preg but I've always loved the stuff the way it was so I'm just happy to see it in a better carrier.
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It will be good to go as is, the idea you can run it at 50% above the standard dose for 6 weeks is attractive and that would match up perfectly with a mild PH to be stacked (Taurus's new progestin is my plan for 6 weeks, possibly 8). With a better absorbing carrier it will be superior, the PP would rub off unless you gave it 30 minutes and even then it was not all the way in. Also, there is probably room to add something else too it if needed.
 
oufinny said:
It will be good to go as is, the idea you can run it at 50% above the standard dose for 6 weeks is attractive and that would match up perfectly with a mild PH to be stacked (Taurus's new progestin is my plan for 6 weeks, possibly 8). With a better absorbing carrier it will be superior, the PP would rub off unless you gave it 30 minutes and even then it was not all the way in. Also, there is probably room to add something else too it if needed.
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That's my plan!
 
oufinny said:
It will be good to go as is, the idea you can run it at 50% above the standard dose for 6 weeks is attractive and that would match up perfectly with a mild PH to be stacked (Taurus's new progestin is my plan for 6 weeks, possibly 8). With a better absorbing carrier it will be superior, the PP would rub off unless you gave it 30 minutes and even then it was not all the way in. Also, there is probably room to add something else too it if needed.
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I like the sound of that. I recently ran the old version and I had forgotten how long it took that carrier to dry. I'm looking forward to the new one. I still have an old bottle to use though. Lol. That's gonna suck. I can't buy the new one until I use the old one or it will be too tempting!
 
Milas said:
With the formastanzol carrier, you can expect a better absorption rate with the inclusion of DMSO. A rough estimate would be 10-20% improvement IMO. With the Emu oil and other goodies in the carrier, it could be even higher though, I don't know for sure.
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The PP carrier that is still sold contains emu oil as well, the question is the % of the total carrier and you are correct to think it will work synergistically with the DMSO.
 
I was going to pick up some need2slin, but I'm gunna burn through all my heat/lean/green tea first. Then I may do a transderm/forged burner/need2slin and then it might time to hit up the 3p program needto was talkin to me about and really make a leap for my body!

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Needto really puts together some incredible programs. Quarcus did an amazing job in his transformation under Needto, quite astonishing.
 
Rahl said:
^^Thats what I could find in this thread quick. I just remember hearing more servings for less $$$. I know some had asked to drip the preg but I've always loved the stuff the way it was so I'm just happy to see it in a better carrier.
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Agreed. Original formula with more servings and a better carrier is a win in my book :thumbsup:
 
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