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Introducing Krill-TS...better than fish oil!!

wildcat44 said:
I guess I'll be the one who plays the devil's advocate on this one, as I've previously looked into whether to add Krill Oil to my daily supplement list. Why? Well my lipids were out-of-whack and I have coronary artery plaque so I pretty much look into most anything that comes down the pike as being beneficial for me in stopping the progression of plaque.

Although tempted by what one can term a great marketing campaign by NKO (and the marketing emails from Dr. Mercola), I've yet to try Krill Oil. Why? Because it is too expensive to justify what appears to be its only advantage---the astaxanthin. I don't think you'll find any other real proven advantage of Krill over Fish Oil in the actual numbers from the studies out there, even with them being sponsored/funded by the Krill Oil companies. The studies do not show that it has better effect on plasma n-3 levels; they do show essentially similar results as Fish oil on blood lipids.

For example, there's a recent study published in the Nov. 2010 issue of Lipids Journal by Aker BioMarine, the makers of Superba krill oil. The study is titled Metabolic Effects of Krill Oil are Essentially Similar to Those of Fish Oil but at Lower Dose of EPA and DHA, in Healthy Volunteers. Their study found that there is no difference between Krill oil and Fish oil when it comes to blood lipids like cholesterol, triglycerides, etc. The study shows that these same benefits can be had from Krill where the EPA + DHA dose in the Krill oil was 62.8% of that in the Fish oil.

So the study from the maker of Superba Krill Oil says that Krill Oil is approximately 1.5 times better than Fish Oil. What's not in the study? That to equalize the benefits even with only having to take 62.8% dosage compared to fish oil doesn't justify having to pay 8 - 10 times the price.

That same study also found this: Krill oil increases the level of Arachidonic acid (AA) in your body. Too much AA can cause inflammation. Healthy levels of AA, no problem. Too much? More joint pain?

My post count is not high enough to post a link to the study, but it can be found at superlink.com. Try this number 270j241473471664 for content.

I'm not saying Krill oil is bad, I believe it provides the same benefits of fish oil with the added anti-oxidant benefit of astaxanthin. I take both high dose fish oil and astaxanthin daily because I believe that they are beneficial to my health and will help me in my battle. I guess my point is this: Krill Oil is beneficial, but I can't find any research that actually shows incremental or additional benefits to justify the additional cost versus separately dosing fish oil and astaxanthin.
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I would agree that fish oil, as long as you get one clear of heavy metals and PCBs, is a very good way to get EFA/DHA. However, there are benefits from Krill that you don't get from fish oil.

0. No fish burps, ever.

1. Guaranteed purity - no PCB or heavy metals due to Krill only eating algae and not other fish.

2. Better absorption - DHA/EPA in Krill is attached as a phsospholipid (the kind in your cells), and so it absorbs more readily as opposed to regular fish oil.

3. Contains a strong antioxidant Astaxanthin - Research has shown a lot of good effects, including accelerated fat burning, greater fat loss, and enhanced endurance. Astaxanthin protects the system that transports fat into the mitochondria of muscle cells (also the system carnitine is involved in, good for stacking). If you take this separately, then I guess you could argue it's a wash, not sure what the cost/convenience is though.

4. Better Cholesterol support - Krill has been shown to reduce cholesterol and blood triglyceride levels in rats given krill oil for six weeks as compared to those just getting fish oil (35% reduction for cholesterol vs. 20%, and 20% reduction for triglycerides vs. 10%). So basically twice as effective.

5. More effective in treament of the symptoms of PMS.

6. It's sustainable, more ecologically friendly for those who care.

7. Krill oil is more shelf stable and will last longer due to the antioxidants like Vitamin A and E as well as flavanoids and esterfied astaxanthin found in Krill. In fact Krill Oil is 300 times more powerful than Vitamin C or E, 34 times more powerful CoQ10 enzymes and 47 times more powerful than lutein as an antioxidant.

As far as studies, there's more than just one in humans:

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University of California, Berkeley, California, USA.


Abstract

Krill omega-3 phospholipids, containing mostly phosphatidylcholine (PC) with DHA/EPA attached, markedly outperformed conventional fish oil DHA/EPA triglycerides in double-blind trials for premenstrual syndrome/dysmenorrhea and for normalizing blood lipid profiles. Krill omega-3 phospholipids demonstrated anti-inflammatory activity, lowering C-reactive protein (CRP) levels in a double-blind trial. Utilizing DHA and EPA together with phospholipids and membrane antioxidants to achieve a triple cell membrane synergy may further diversify their currently wide range of clinical applications.




Krill is showing promise as an ACE inhibitor, lowering of LDL and triglycerides, raising HDL, inhibiting growth of colon cancer cells, lowering CRP, anti-arthritic, anti-inflammatory, etc. The effects seem to be above and beyond what fish oil can do, and a head to head study showed a beneficial effect of krill on tested pentameters at lower doses of EPA/DHA per gram than fish oil.


PMID 15656713
Evaluation of the effects of Neptune Krill Oil on the clinical course of hyperlipidemia.
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Source
Department of Internal Medicine, McGill University, Montreal, Quebec, Canada.
CONCLUSIONS:

The results of the present study demonstrate within high levels of confidence that krill oil is effective for the management of hyperlipidemia by significantly reducing total cholesterol, LDL, and triglycerides, and increasing HDL levels. At lower and equal doses, krill oil was significantly more effective than fish oil for the reduction of glucose, triglycerides, and LDL levels.



It has benefits above and beyond fish oil's capabilities, i.e.:

J Nutr. 2009 Aug;139(8):1495-501. Epub 2009 Jun 23.

Endocannabinoids may mediate the ability of (n-3) fatty acids to reduce ectopic fat and inflammatory mediators in obese Zucker rats.

Dietary (n-3) long-chain PUFA [(n-3) LCPUFA] ameliorate several metabolic risk factors for cardiovascular diseases, although the mechanisms of these beneficial effects are not fully understood. In this study, we compared the effects of dietary (n-3) LCPUFA, in the form of either fish oil (FO) or krill oil (KO) balanced for eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) content, with a control © diet containing no EPA and DHA and similar contents of oleic, linoleic, and alpha-linolenic acids, on ectopic fat and inflammation in Zucker rats, a model of obesity and related metabolic dysfunction. Diets were fed for 4 wk. Given the emerging evidence for an association between elevated endocannabinoid concentrations and metabolic syndrome, we also measured tissue endocannabinoid concentrations. In (n-3) LCPUFA-supplemented rats, liver triglycerides and the peritoneal macrophage response to an inflammatory stimulus were significantly lower than in rats fed the control diet, and heart triglycerides were lower, but only in KO-fed rats. These effects were associated with a lower concentration of the endocannabinoids, anandamide and 2-arachidonoylglycerol, in the visceral adipose tissue and of anandamide in the liver and heart, which, in turn, was associated with lower levels of arachidonic acid in membrane phospholipids, but not with higher activity of endocannabinoid-degrading enzymes. Our data suggest that the beneficial effects of a diet enriched with (n-3) LCPUFA are the result of changes in membrane fatty acid composition. The reduction of substrates for inflammatory molecules and endocannabinoids may account for the dampened inflammatory response and the physiological reequilibration of body fat deposition in obese rats.

PMID: 19549757


Source: Nutrition Research Oct 2009
Volume 29, Issue 9, Pages 609-615

“Krill oil supplementation increases plasma concentrations of eicosapentaenoic and docosahexaenoic acids in overweight and obese men and women”

Led by Kevin Maki from Provident Clinical Research, the researchers recruited 76 overweight and obese men and women to take part in their randomized, double-blind parallel arm trial.

Participants were randomly assigned to receive capsules containing 2 grams per day of krill oil, fish oil (menhaden), or control oil (olive) for four weeks.

At the end of the time, the researchers report that levels of EPA and DHA concentrations increased significantly more following krill oil supplementation than following menhaden or olive oil supplementation. Indeed, EPA and DHA levels rose by an average 178 and 90 micromoles per litre of plasma, respectively, in the krill oil group, compared to 132 and 150 micromoles per litre of plasma in the menhaden group, and only 3 and -1.1 micromoles in the olive oil group.



So I'd say Krill has more value than just fish oil, though you cannot deny the benefits of EPA/DHA. Fish is better than flax or nothing, but I'd consider the value of adding krill to your omega-3 supplementation. The best "value" in my opinion would be to use a Norwegian fish oil that's tested to be low in pollutants, maybe something like Controlled Labs OxiMega Orange Fish Oil, in conjunction with Krill. That way you get the benefits of Krill and a higher level of EPA/DHA.
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JayV said:
Are you a rep for NTBM?If so, you need to disclose the fact.This is a slimy practice that shouldn't be tolerated.
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I am only representing NTBM on the UK forums! I'm not on AM for doing rep work...BUT i'll disclose the fact that i'm a NTBM UK rep for you. :)
 
JayJo said:
I am only representing NTBM on the UK forums! I'm not on AM for doing rep work...BUT i'll disclose the fact that i'm a NTBM UK rep for you. :)
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Doesnt matter. You have to put it in your sig if you are a rep.
 
Milas said:
You know you can take fish oil with krill oil, that way you get plenty of EPA/DHA and the benefits of krill. That's probably the optimal approach tbh.
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Good point. What I'll probably do is polish off what I've got, make the switch to krill and then later in add in the fish oil again after running krill solo.

I've been seeing a lot more TV ads on krill oil lately, too.
 
Milas said:
I would agree that fish oil, as long as you get one clear of heavy metals and PCBs, is a very good way to get EFA/DHA. However, there are benefits from Krill that you don't get from fish oil.

0. No fish burps, ever.

1. Guaranteed purity - no PCB or heavy metals due to Krill only eating algae and not other fish.

2. Better absorption - DHA/EPA in Krill is attached as a phsospholipid (the kind in your cells), and so it absorbs more readily as opposed to regular fish oil.

3. Contains a strong antioxidant Astaxanthin - Research has shown a lot of good effects, including accelerated fat burning, greater fat loss, and enhanced endurance. Astaxanthin protects the system that transports fat into the mitochondria of muscle cells (also the system carnitine is involved in, good for stacking). If you take this separately, then I guess you could argue it's a wash, not sure what the cost/convenience is though.

4. Better Cholesterol support - Krill has been shown to reduce cholesterol and blood triglyceride levels in rats given krill oil for six weeks as compared to those just getting fish oil (35% reduction for cholesterol vs. 20%, and 20% reduction for triglycerides vs. 10%). So basically twice as effective.

5. More effective in treament of the symptoms of PMS.

6. It's sustainable, more ecologically friendly for those who care.

7. Krill oil is more shelf stable and will last longer due to the antioxidants like Vitamin A and E as well as flavanoids and esterfied astaxanthin found in Krill. In fact Krill Oil is 300 times more powerful than Vitamin C or E, 34 times more powerful CoQ10 enzymes and 47 times more powerful than lutein as an antioxidant.

As far as studies, there's more than just one in humans:

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University of California, Berkeley, California, USA.


Abstract

Krill omega-3 phospholipids, containing mostly phosphatidylcholine (PC) with DHA/EPA attached, markedly outperformed conventional fish oil DHA/EPA triglycerides in double-blind trials for premenstrual syndrome/dysmenorrhea and for normalizing blood lipid profiles. Krill omega-3 phospholipids demonstrated anti-inflammatory activity, lowering C-reactive protein (CRP) levels in a double-blind trial. Utilizing DHA and EPA together with phospholipids and membrane antioxidants to achieve a triple cell membrane synergy may further diversify their currently wide range of clinical applications.




Krill is showing promise as an ACE inhibitor, lowering of LDL and triglycerides, raising HDL, inhibiting growth of colon cancer cells, lowering CRP, anti-arthritic, anti-inflammatory, etc. The effects seem to be above and beyond what fish oil can do, and a head to head study showed a beneficial effect of krill on tested pentameters at lower doses of EPA/DHA per gram than fish oil.


PMID 15656713
Evaluation of the effects of Neptune Krill Oil on the clinical course of hyperlipidemia.
Invalid Link Removed, Invalid Link Removed, Invalid Link Removed.

Source
Department of Internal Medicine, McGill University, Montreal, Quebec, Canada.
CONCLUSIONS:

The results of the present study demonstrate within high levels of confidence that krill oil is effective for the management of hyperlipidemia by significantly reducing total cholesterol, LDL, and triglycerides, and increasing HDL levels. At lower and equal doses, krill oil was significantly more effective than fish oil for the reduction of glucose, triglycerides, and LDL levels.



It has benefits above and beyond fish oil's capabilities, i.e.:

J Nutr. 2009 Aug;139(8):1495-501. Epub 2009 Jun 23.

Endocannabinoids may mediate the ability of (n-3) fatty acids to reduce ectopic fat and inflammatory mediators in obese Zucker rats.

Dietary (n-3) long-chain PUFA [(n-3) LCPUFA] ameliorate several metabolic risk factors for cardiovascular diseases, although the mechanisms of these beneficial effects are not fully understood. In this study, we compared the effects of dietary (n-3) LCPUFA, in the form of either fish oil (FO) or krill oil (KO) balanced for eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) content, with a control © diet containing no EPA and DHA and similar contents of oleic, linoleic, and alpha-linolenic acids, on ectopic fat and inflammation in Zucker rats, a model of obesity and related metabolic dysfunction. Diets were fed for 4 wk. Given the emerging evidence for an association between elevated endocannabinoid concentrations and metabolic syndrome, we also measured tissue endocannabinoid concentrations. In (n-3) LCPUFA-supplemented rats, liver triglycerides and the peritoneal macrophage response to an inflammatory stimulus were significantly lower than in rats fed the control diet, and heart triglycerides were lower, but only in KO-fed rats. These effects were associated with a lower concentration of the endocannabinoids, anandamide and 2-arachidonoylglycerol, in the visceral adipose tissue and of anandamide in the liver and heart, which, in turn, was associated with lower levels of arachidonic acid in membrane phospholipids, but not with higher activity of endocannabinoid-degrading enzymes. Our data suggest that the beneficial effects of a diet enriched with (n-3) LCPUFA are the result of changes in membrane fatty acid composition. The reduction of substrates for inflammatory molecules and endocannabinoids may account for the dampened inflammatory response and the physiological reequilibration of body fat deposition in obese rats.

PMID: 19549757


Source: Nutrition Research Oct 2009
Volume 29, Issue 9, Pages 609-615

“Krill oil supplementation increases plasma concentrations of eicosapentaenoic and docosahexaenoic acids in overweight and obese men and women”

Led by Kevin Maki from Provident Clinical Research, the researchers recruited 76 overweight and obese men and women to take part in their randomized, double-blind parallel arm trial.

Participants were randomly assigned to receive capsules containing 2 grams per day of krill oil, fish oil (menhaden), or control oil (olive) for four weeks.

At the end of the time, the researchers report that levels of EPA and DHA concentrations increased significantly more following krill oil supplementation than following menhaden or olive oil supplementation. Indeed, EPA and DHA levels rose by an average 178 and 90 micromoles per litre of plasma, respectively, in the krill oil group, compared to 132 and 150 micromoles per litre of plasma in the menhaden group, and only 3 and -1.1 micromoles in the olive oil group.


So I'd say Krill has more value than just fish oil, though you cannot deny the benefits of EPA/DHA. Fish is better than flax or nothing, but I'd consider the value of adding krill to your omega-3 supplementation. The best "value" in my opinion would be to use a Norwegian fish oil that's tested to be low in pollutants, maybe something like Controlled Labs OxiMega Orange Fish Oil, in conjunction with Krill. That way you get the benefits of Krill and a higher level of EPA/DHA.
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Great info bud. I really do enjoy not burping fish oil with my morning coffee :D
 
I take 5 gms nutraplanet fish oil, 1 gram of krill, and 3gms calamarine per pay and it hasn't made a bit of difference in my lipids but I think, for me, it's mostly screwed up genetics. Lesson: don't take anything for granted, get a blood test. Krill oil, actually, has the least amount of Omega's, calamarine the most. Since I don't know who to believe I take all three. But soon I may be saving my money and cut back on these.
 
DBinMD said:
I take 5 gms nutraplanet fish oil, 1 gram of krill, and 3gms calamarine per pay and it hasn't made a bit of difference in my lipids but I think, for me, it's mostly screwed up genetics. Lesson: don't take anything for granted, get a blood test. Krill oil, actually, has the least amount of Omega's, calamarine the most. Since I don't know who to believe I take all three. But soon I may be saving my money and cut back on these.
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What are your lipid values? Are they abnormally high for LDL vs. HDL? How about overall cholesterol?

You've also got to consider that diet and exercise are going to be more significant factors in lipid and overall health than any supplement. I think the evidence is pretty conclusive, they're even making omega-3's a prescription now, so I'd say they do make a difference in most people.

It sucks that your stack isn't working though, I know how annoying it is trying large doses of stuff and getting only marginal effects.
 
DB, have you explored the possibility of an absorption or digestion problem with fats? Shawn aka the matrix over in the anti aging is really the digestion specialist, ive learned quite a bit from reading his posts. Do you take any digestive/probiotic supps? Specifically lipase is the digestive enzyme responsible for processing fats. Most good complete digestive supps wil contain a reasonable amount of it.

Im really just throwing that out there as something to try. Its funny how sometimes the most serious health problems can be fixed with also the simplest of things.
 
I remembered reading a good article a while back in the krill oil vs fish oil debate and decided to dig it back up for you guys.

You see....some of us simpler folk need things in kind of a simpler format for us, as opposed to long winded scientific articles with nary a paragraph break in site. We kinda like charts and pictures :)

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For you guys that do not see any benefit of fish oil, like DB, specifically the absorption rate being 2x that of regular fish oil should be extremely appealing to you all.

As has already been stated many times in this thread, the source of krill is also of utmost importance. Thankfully you can all rest assured that ntbm has already taken the guesswork out of that for you all :clap2:
 
MakaveliThaDon said:
I remembered reading a good article a while back in the krill oil vs fish oil debate and decided to dig it back up for you guys.

You see....some of us simpler folk need things in kind of a simpler format for us, as opposed to long winded scientific articles with nary a paragraph break in site. We kinda like charts and pictures :)

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For you guys that do not see any benefit of fish oil, like DB, specifically the absorption rate being 2x that of regular fish oil should be extremely appealing to you all.

As has already been stated many times in this thread, the source of krill is also of utmost importance. Thankfully you can all rest assured that ntbm has already taken the guesswork out of that for you all :clap2:
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Great info there Makaveli!!
 
MakaveliThaDon said:
I remembered reading a good article a while back in the krill oil vs fish oil debate and decided to dig it back up for you guys.

You see....some of us simpler folk need things in kind of a simpler format for us, as opposed to long winded scientific articles with nary a paragraph break in site. We kinda like charts and pictures :)

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For you guys that do not see any benefit of fish oil, like DB, specifically the absorption rate being 2x that of regular fish oil should be extremely appealing to you all.

As has already been stated many times in this thread, the source of krill is also of utmost importance. Thankfully you can all rest assured that ntbm has already taken the guesswork out of that for you all :clap2:
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Milas,
Thanks for the reply.
Right now my HDL is 31 and LDL is 180 despite 3 days of cardio (85-90% max heart rate for 25-40 mins), 5 days lifting, dietary cholesterol well within bounds, 500-1000mg niacin. If I were any stricter I'd be a monk. Now if I don't do those things it will really go high (320 total about 15 yrs ago on a bulk cycle). My in-laws smoke, drink, eat what they want, are fat, and don't exercise and their numbers are great. Me on the other hand had a coronary bypass in January; my surgeon and family doc says it's just heredity.

I still think sups, diet, and exercise are worth it, I don't mind doing what I have to do. The surgeon thinks that may be the only reason I didn't have a massive heart attack or worse. It's just that doing the right thing is no guarantee, and the sups (as well as real prescriptions) are over-hyped.
 
Makaveli

No, I haven't but I'll look into it. Basically, i have a pretty iron-clad digestive system so it never occurred to me.

thanks
 
DBinMD said:
Milas,
Thanks for the reply.
Right now my HDL is 31 and LDL is 180 despite 3 days of cardio (85-90% max heart rate for 25-40 mins), 5 days lifting, dietary cholesterol well within bounds, 500-1000mg niacin. If I were any stricter I'd be a monk. Now if I don't do those things it will really go high (320 total about 15 yrs ago on a bulk cycle). My in-laws smoke, drink, eat what they want, are fat, and don't exercise and their numbers are great. Me on the other hand had a coronary bypass in January; my surgeon and family doc says it's just heredity.

I still think sups, diet, and exercise are worth it, I don't mind doing what I have to do. The surgeon thinks that may be the only reason I didn't have a massive heart attack or worse. It's just that doing the right thing is no guarantee, and the sups (as well as real prescriptions) are over-hyped.
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Really interesting, and sorry to hear you've got such a bad lot with the lipids. It sounds very frustrating, but at least you are taking the proper steps to control it. I lol'ed at the monk comment, it's hard to maintain that lifestyle, but for you it sounds like it's saving your life! While supps/medications aren't the only answer, they can help at least.

Ever look into Red Yeast Rice and Co-Q10? I typically use these for cycles where I'm concerned with lipid values (i.e., SD).

The other thing I try to do to keep lipids and overall health in check is use a Green Superfood powder daily. I'm not entirely sure it's having an impact on lipids, but I feel it's one of the healthier holistic things I can do to take care of my body all around.
 
Milas,

I've taken coq10 ubiquinol for a number of years. I've stayed away from RYR because I think RYR has a similar mechanism as the statins. The 2 statins I tried both made me really sick. i almost got permanent liver damage from Simcor and after 1 week on the lowest dose of Crestor i couldn't get out of bed.

I'm gonna try something my acupuncturist recommends who swears it's helps her other clients (Sytrinol) and I'm already trying stuff with Oligomeric proanthocyanidins which is supposed to help with cardio-vascular. I could take the RYR, too, or wait a couple of months (I may need to use a nuclear option), I'll think about it. I told her if she fixes this I'm gonna nominate her for a Nobel prize.
 
DBinMD said:
Milas,

I've taken coq10 ubiquinol for a number of years. I've stayed away from RYR because I think RYR has a similar mechanism as the statins. The 2 statins I tried both made me really sick. i almost got permanent liver damage from Simcor and after 1 week on the lowest dose of Crestor i couldn't get out of bed.

I'm gonna try something my acupuncturist recommends who swears it's helps her other clients (Sytrinol) and I'm already trying stuff with Oligomeric proanthocyanidins which is supposed to help with cardio-vascular. I could take the RYR, too, or wait a couple of months (I may need to use a nuclear option), I'll think about it. I told her if she fixes this I'm gonna nominate her for a Nobel prize.
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You're using much more advanced approaches than I know about, and you seem to be well studied on them, so I wish you best of luck in treating your lipids. Sometimes it's the holistic medicines that can have some of the most profound effects. I believe in powers beyond our physical knowledge that can do more for us than we know, but we just don't know how to access them yet. Call me crazy, but it just seems arrogant for us to assume we know it all, when historically every time we thought that we were pretty wrong...
 
powerhouse212 said:
good read... i have switched from fish to krill oil awhile ago.. never looked back
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Have you actually gotten any before and after blood work back? . Although i take it along with other sources, I believe it only has half the EPA and DHA of fish oil. I'd be careful about making this my only major source of omega-3's .
 
DBinMD said:
Have you actually gotten any before and after blood work back? . Although i take it along with other sources, I believe it only has half the EPA and DHA of fish oil. I'd be careful about making this my only major source of omega-3's .
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Which is why it would be best to use Krill in combination with a double to triple strength omega 3 supplement
 
DBinMD said:
Have you actually gotten any before and after blood work back? . Although i take it along with other sources, I believe it only has half the EPA and DHA of fish oil. I'd be careful about making this my only major source of omega-3's .
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TheDarkHalf said:
Which is why it would be best to use Krill in combination with a double to triple strength omega 3 supplement
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Yep, agree with both of these. Krill is a great way to reap the additional benefits not found in fish oil, but if EPA/DHA are your primary concern you can certainly add in fish oil as well.
 
I personally take both regular fish oil (NOW Ultra Omega 3 or SAN Triple Fish Fats) & Neptune Krill Oil. I think this is the best option as you get the benefits from both.

As for the RYR...it's not the same as it used to be. The RYR you can buy now will have little to no effect on cholesterol levels.
 
Feel The Burn said:
I personally take both regular fish oil (NOW Ultra Omega 3 or SAN Triple Fish Fats) & Neptune Krill Oil. I think this is the best option as you get the benefits from both.

As for the RYR...it's not the same as it used to be. The RYR you can buy now will have little to no effect on cholesterol levels.
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Why is that with the RYR? Industry wide, or just certain suppliers? I just don't like taking sweeping statements without substantiation, no hate.
 
Milas said:
Why is that with the RYR? Industry wide, or just certain suppliers? I just don't like taking sweeping statements without substantiation, no hate.
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The FDA now requires that the Lovastatin be removed from RYR. Statin drugs marketed as Mevacor and Altocor contain Lovastatin...so when the FDA found out that red yeast rice contained a regulated substance (i.e., an effective drug), it banned these products unless extra steps were taken to remove the only active ingredient beneficial at improving cholesterol levels...lovastatin.

However, knowing the industry.....I would assume that some RYR products being sold still has Lovastatin in it. How much, I dunno. Personally I think theirs better options out there for lowering your cholesterol.
 
Thanks for the info on RYR, good to know.

So, now that Fish Oil is a prescription too, do you think they'll start processing out EPA/DHA?
 
Milas said:
Thanks for the info on RYR, good to know.

So, now that Fish Oil is a prescription too, do you think they'll start processing out EPA/DHA?
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I saw those commercials recently for prescription fish oil... What is the difference between script and regular? Are they dosed the same?
 
chocolatemilk said:
I saw those commercials recently for prescription fish oil... What is the difference between script and regular? Are they dosed the same?
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Basically triple strength fish oil, standardized and purified. Nothing special IMO...
 
It is triple strength fish oil I believe in those commercials. Only advantage to that is taking less caps. That's about it..
 
Krill is amazing product!
its like fish oil..but better..got omega's in it and is great for overall health and joint pain or dryness.
 
Recently ordered some Krill-TS after reading this:

Krill oil reduces cholesterol better than fish oil.This is seen from a study by Bunea R, El Farrah and Deutsch reported in the 2004 Alternative Medicine Review of 120 people, comparing krill oil against fish oil and placebo. The study measured total cholesterol, LDL, HDL and triglyceride of group with krill oil versus fish oil versus placebo.

The group with krill oil had a 13% reduction in total cholesterol, 32-35% reduction in LDL, 42-43% increase in HDL and 11% reduction in triglyceride. The group with fish oil had a reduction of 5.9% in total cholesterol, 4.6% reduction in LDL, 4.2% increase in HDL and 3.2% reduction in triglyceride. The placebo group has a general increase in all the cholesterol.

Therefore, krill Oil is more effective in reducing cholesterol than fish oil!
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Danish research has found it that in tests with fish oil and sugar that only 10% of the beneficial oils were consumed, whereas the rest was consumed as fat. You can avoid this by not eating fish oil together with a big meal, and even better before you go to bed, then you'll be able to consume 90% of the beneficial oils.

Same research also concludes that proteins are the best thing to eat (or drink) together with fish oil. The study was done by Copenhagen University together with Bergen and Beijing and done on mice.

Maybe its a bit off topic here, not sure what this krill is, but Its important research. Maybe this also goes with Krill.
 
BOOMBOOMBOOM said:
Danish research has found it that in tests with fish oil and sugar and/or similar carbs the only 10% of the beneficial oils were consumed, whereas the rest was consumed as fat. You can avoid this by not eating fish oil together with a big meal, and even better before you go to bed, then you'll be able to consume 90% of the beneficial oils.

Maybe its a bit off topic here, not sure what this krill is, but Its important research. Maybe this also goes with Krill.
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Good info... source?
 
I just edited the info so the sugar part was not misunderstood (I wrote other carbs as well).

Makaveli, yes if you for instance drink milk together with the fish oil it would be good, most important thing the study came up with was that sugar blocked the beneficial parts of fish oil.

I'll give you a link, I just read it as its in the danish media, and its in danish, maybe you can use a translater and get something out of it http ://videnskab.dk/krop-sundhed/sukker-haemmer-den-sunde-effekt-af-fiskeolie
 
BOOMBOOMBOOM said:
I just edited the info so the sugar part was not misunderstood (I wrote other carbs as well).

Makaveli, yes if you for instance drink milk together with the fish oil it would be good, most important thing the study came up with was that sugar blocked the beneficial parts of fish oil.

I'll give you a link, I just read it as its in the danish media, and its in danish, maybe you can use a translater and get something out of it http ://videnskab.dk/krop-sundhed/sukker-haemmer-den-sunde-effekt-af-fiskeolie
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So you don't have to type it together:

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I know there are translators out there for this type of thing; but I'm at work, so I can't get to it right now.

On an unrelated note, BOOMBOOMBOOM, I hope your name is a reference to everyone's favorite Vengaboys song. If it's not...you should lie and say that it is ;)

 
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