Topical 7-Keto

[schizm]

This^... that would equal 50mgs which is the dosage you need to start with.

Also, make sure you dose twice per day at 12 hour intervals.

Just take that advice from experience.

Would an application to the top of the glute/buttocks area be any good? That's were most of my fat resides...

I may just do the one application (2 serving) treatment though for this...I shld be getting mine delivered this morning...

 

[DAdams91982]

Would an application to the top of the glute/buttocks area be any good? That's were most of my fat resides...

I may just do the one application (2 serving) treatment though for this...I shld be getting mine delivered this morning...

No. 7-KETO doesnt target SAT fat well... it targets VAT fat (Fat around the organs)

 

[MAxximal]

No. 7-KETO doesnt target SAT fat well... it targets VAT fat (Fat around the organs)

this depends of the carrier?

 

[schizm]

No. 7-KETO doesnt target SAT fat well... it targets VAT fat (Fat around the organs)

so if 7-keto doesn't lend itself well to targeting SAT fat...how about the other 'goodies' in this mix?

 

[DAdams91982]

so if 7-keto doesn't lend itself well to targeting SAT fat...how about the other 'goodies' in this mix?

I missed the others, but if they are using the correct carrier, it wouldn't do well for VAT since it delivers the compounds differently than your other typical topical fat releasers. If the others are aimed at the cortisol pathway, then the same statement stands.

 

[DAdams91982]

this depends of the carrier?

Nadda.. the cortisol pathway is not a good avenue for SAT reduction, but an amazing pathway for VAT.

 

[DAdams91982]

Actually, this is LGs thread, so hopefully they will explain everything for you all.

Or jsut shoot me a PM if you have a question... i dont want to litter up the thread anymore than I have.

 

[schizm]

I missed the others, but if they are using the correct carrier, it wouldn't do well for VAT since it delivers the compounds differently than your other typical topical fat releasers. If the others are aimed at the cortisol pathway, then the same statement stands.

as of post #100 it's:

7-Keto DHEA
15mg 7-OH-Etiocoholanolone
15mg Etiocholanolone

 

[MidwestBeast]

This would make the bottle last 12 days if my math is right... not the longest duration bottle. Let's hope the 24 day dosing strategy yields good results, that would be much better for all of us.

Yeah, that's what I'd be worried about.

For now, unless I'm told otherwise by anyone from LG, I'll drag this thing out 24 days at 50mg / day. Hopefully it will still be a noticeable difference.

If for some reason it's not, I'd love to see A) someone else get a chance to double dose at 50mg 2x/day or B) another bottle my way to do that double dosing and see where any differences may lie (obviously B is the selfish route, but it would sure show any noticeable differences and eliminate some variables).

Also, I'm not taking any other "fat-burners" at the moment - that will only be coming from diet, training and cardio. So, results that come from this should be able to be attributed very much to this product. I'm also used to seeing how my body responds to the training and dieting I do; let's see if it's any better.

 

[schizm]

mine...mine....mine...

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/165672-lgs-topical-7-a.html#post2681600

 

[EasyEJL]

dangit can someone come up with a cool name for mine? It got here today, in the ubiquitous dark blue bottle (I got one before from when LG was having a few of us test something for joint issues). Smelled decent, went on nicely. Of course I did the first dose the second I ripped open the box

 

[Liftergym33]

dangit can someone come up with a cool name for mine? It got here today, in the ubiquitous dark blue bottle (I got one before from when LG was having a few of us test something for joint issues). Smelled decent, went on nicely. Of course I did the first dose the second I ripped open the box

use the power of the mind bro!, it will come to you

 

[EasyEJL]

best I could do .... http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/165675-rubbing-my-fat.html#post2681656

 

[schizm]

as of post #100 it's:

25mg 7-Keto DHEA
15mg 7-OH-Etiocoholanolone
15mg Etiocholanolone
- per 6 sprays

Hey hey LG-sir....can you cofirm the #'s and ingredients of the final (beta) product we wound up with? just curious...

 

[MAxximal]

Here: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/165858-maxx-s-lg.html#post2685839

 

[MidwestBeast]

I posted this in my thread today, but was hoping you guys could shed some light on this for me

Definitely took a glance at the bottle today, and I'd noticed previously, but hadn't thought a whole lot about it - this thing is gonna last way more than 24 days at 6 sprays per side (12 sprays total each morning).

Can we get a confirmation on the ingredient profile / amounts? I just want to make sure this isn't being underdosed. I want to determine whether it's just a larger bottle with more product than initially reported or if the sprays need to be increased to reach the numbers necessary.

 

[Liftergym33]

I posted this in my thread today, but was hoping you guys could shed some light on this for me

Definitely took a glance at the bottle today, and I'd noticed previously, but hadn't thought a whole lot about it - this thing is gonna last way more than 24 days at 6 sprays per side (12 sprays total each morning).

Can we get a confirmation on the ingredient profile / amounts? I just want to make sure this isn't being underdosed. I want to determine whether it's just a larger bottle with more product than initially reported or if the sprays need to be increased to reach the numbers necessary.

I think Eric gave you more then expected... Going to confirm with him now!

 

[MidwestBeast]

I think Eric gave you more then expected... Going to confirm with him now!

I was thinking that was probably the case (which is just crazy awesome!), but wanted to make sure

I just looked in my workout notebook and saw today was actually Day 21 on it...and it doesn't even look like it's a 3rd (or maybe even a quarter) gone.

 

[Liftergym33]

I was thinking that was probably the case (which is just crazy awesome!), but wanted to make sure

I just looked in my workout notebook and saw today was actually Day 21 on it...and it doesn't even look like it's a 3rd (or maybe even a quarter) gone.

rosie is at 24 a day.... and saying it also..id kick it up a knotch on us

 

[LG Sciences]

It's the same bottle as the NO INFUSE, I did over fill them but only by probably a half ounce or so. They should be accurate, but I can verify today.

Pumping can be pretty subjective though, make sure you are using full pumps.

 

[MidwestBeast]

It's the same bottle as the NO INFUSE, I did over fill them but only by probably a half ounce or so. They should be accurate, but I can verify today.

Pumping can be pretty subjective though, make sure you are using full pumps.

Thanks for this.

And definitely agree about the pumps being very subjective. I make sure the bottle goes upright and I can feel it as a full pump each time.

 

[schizm]

It's the same bottle as the NO INFUSE, I did over fill them but only by probably a half ounce or so. They should be accurate, but I can verify today.

Pumping can be pretty subjective though, make sure you are using full pumps.

coo, was thinking these bottles would last much longer than the 24 days...esp considering the GHenerate bottles last about 3-4 months used at 12 sprays/day...so would using 24 sprays of the 7-keto all at once (i.e. 1 application) pose any absorbtion problems w/the ingredients?

 

[EasyEJL]

I'm soooo ready to jump to 24

 

[oufinny]

It sounds like this will be a winner if bottles are filled up; that NO Infuse bottle is big and holds a ton.

 

[EasyEJL]

so whats the best dosing schedule? prebed for the 2nd dose?

 

[MidwestBeast]

so whats the best dosing schedule? prebed for the 2nd dose?

That's what I did last night, but tonight I actually dosed my 2nd time after my post-workout shower. It ended up being almost dead-on to 12 hours difference. I think I'm gonna keep going 7 AM / 7 PM (or however it needs to be adjusted on the weekends).

 

[Rosie Chee]

It sounds like this will be a winner if bottles are filled up; that NO Infuse bottle is big and holds a ton.

This product is definitely a WINNER! I don't want to STOP using it! Final Review is now up: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/165634-will-lgs-new-5.html#post2718034

~Rosie~

 

[oldskool]

When will this be available? And any idea in cost? Id love to run this

 

[Rosie Chee]

When will this be available? And any idea in cost? Id love to run this

Not sure when this will be available (and yes, from the head man himself). Re cost, the only person who can answer that is Eric. Is going to be great when it IS available, though

~Rosie~

 

[StackedCop]

When will this be available? And any idea in cost? Id love to run this

Bump

It's on sale now for $29.99!

http://taurus-nutrition.com/product.php?id_product=13

 

[nattydisaster]

Doesnt this stuff reduce testosterone?

 

[MAxximal]

Doesnt this stuff reduce testosterone?

I not feel shutdown but is possible


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=15843221&ordinalpos=6&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

 

[nattydisaster]

http://www.biomed.cas.cz/physiolres/2001/issue1/pdf/sulcova.pdf

Decreases T by 12% at 25mg 7-keto. Decreases E as well but likely due to the decrease in T

Nice boost in LH though. Slight decrease in cortisol

Raises SHBG...decreasing free test by ~25%

 

[Jbrooks]

http://www.biomed.cas.cz/physiolres/2001/issue1/pdf/sulcova.pdf

Decreases T by 12% at 25mg 7-keto. Decreases E as well but likely due to the decrease in T

Nice boost in LH though. Slight decrease in cortisol

From reading this it appears it also decrease free test by almost 25%? AM I reading this correct ?

Thats after just 5 days wonder what 30 days would look like

 

[nattydisaster]

From reading this it appears it also decrease free test by almost 25%? AM I reading this correct ?

Thats after just 5 days wonder what 30 days would look like

Yup. Because it both decreases total test and raises SHBG

 

[oufinny]

Yup. Because it both decreases total test and raises SHBG

The question is, can it be combated with anything to offset the drop, either natural or otherwise?

 

[nattydisaster]

The question is, can it be combated with anything to offset the drop, either natural or otherwise?

Not sure the mechanism in which it reduces T, or raises SHBG. Im sure the loss on T is from some type of competition on an enzyme, so not anything you could do there.

No idea about how to combat the SHBG increase...maybe nettle root?

 

[Milas]

So this applies to something like AndroLean too, which has 51mg 7-keto per serving?

Hmmm... very interesting. Thanks for posting the information.

 

[EasyEJL]

So this applies to something like AndroLean too, which has 51mg 7-keto per serving?

Hmmm... very interesting. Thanks for posting the information.

not really, the study was specifically transdermal, and you can't bet that its the same orally.

 

[Milas]

not really, the study was specifically transdermal, and you can't bet that its the same orally.

Does the mode of delivery change the effect? It would bypass 1st pass liver metabolism I guess, but I thought AndroLean was supposed to do the same?

What makes transdermal different from improved oral absorption that bypasses liver metabolism?

 

[EasyEJL]

Does the mode of delivery change the effect? It would bypass 1st pass liver metabolism I guess, but I thought AndroLean was supposed to do the same?

What makes transdermal different from improved oral absorption that bypasses liver metabolism?

different enzymes get used in the different phases of the breakdown. There still are different enzymes in the skin cells than in the lymphatic system (which is how I think AndroLean bypasses 1st pass, not sure tho).

Just to throw a different example out there, oral winstrol lowers SHBG, injected doesn't. So you can't conclusively say it does the same orally unless there is a study done on it orally.

 

[EasyEJL]

Just to be clear, i'm not saying AndroLean doesn't do the same, just you can't conclusively use this study to say it does.

 

[Milas]

Just to be clear, i'm not saying AndroLean doesn't do the same, just you can't conclusively use this study to say it does.

Gotcha, and agree. However, it does lead one to speculate based upon similarities.

I'm never going to be knowledgeable enough to know either way, but regardless if the product delivers results you desire, what's the difference for these kinds of temporary ancillary effects? The amount of decrease in TT or FT wouldn't be significant enough to cause much IMO.

 

[nattydisaster]

Just to be clear, i'm not saying AndroLean doesn't do the same, just you can't conclusively use this study to say it does.

Agreed...transdermal interacts with a different amount of different enzymes

 

[nattydisaster]

different enzymes get used in the different phases of the breakdown. There still are different enzymes in the skin cells than in the lymphatic system (which is how I think AndroLean bypasses 1st pass, not sure tho).

Just to throw a different example out there, oral winstrol lowers SHBG, injected doesn't. So you can't conclusively say it does the same orally unless there is a study done on it orally.

Formestane is the same way. Oral lowers SHBG, transdermal does not

 

[Milas]

Formestane is the same way. Oral lowers SHBG, transdermal does not

Interesting, thanks again for more knowledge!

 

[Jbrooks]

Gotcha, and agree. However, it does lead one to speculate based upon similarities.

I'm never going to be knowledgeable enough to know either way, but regardless if the product delivers results you desire, what's the difference for these kinds of temporary ancillary effects? The amount of decrease in TT or FT wouldn't be significant enough to cause much IMO.

I wouldnt say 25% decrease isnt significant . Also that study is based on 5 days so what would a 30 day cycle 7-keto really drop your test % to ?

More so this brings to light that trans 7-keto users should plan a good PCT

 

[nattydisaster]

I wouldnt say 25% decrease isnt significant . Also that study is based on 5 days so what would a 30 day cycle 7-keto really drop your test % to ?

More so this brings to light that trans 7-keto users should plan a good PCT

And probably shouldnt use it IN PCT

 

[Mr.50]

Great......seeing as though PA's web site says it has no hormonal effect and should be fine for PCT...... (I think, I have to go back and review).....

Mr.50

 

[MAxximal]

The Stuff is STRONG and WORKS AWESOME