BOLADROL from IBE- Unreal, Jbry, EasyEJ come hither

[nattydisaster]

Actually you are somewhat incorrect here with the DHT talk. Can you tell me where you referenced this or is it just because it can be 5a reduced? Not all steroids capable of being 5 alpha reduced is reduced at the same rate.

In fact there was a study done on the effects of these compounds on the prostate. The study showed a dose dependent relationship on prostate weight. Bottom line is don't abuse the dosages, keep them at the lowest dose that gives an effect. At lower effective doses of bolasterone there was less of an increase in prostate weight with bolasterone than with testosterone.

As for shutting you down, there was a difference of only 3.7% in the weight of the testes with testosterone compared to bolasterone where as 4-chlorotestosterone and methylandrostenolone were as much as 25% less weight (which = more shutdown).

I suggested not to be used with a DHT derived compound since boladrol is already very androgenic, and most DHT derived compounds are strong androgens.

Steroids can be 5a reduced unless there is something hindering the 5a reduction like a 4-chloro or 4-hydroxy group.

As for shutdown, I was referring to the fact it is a 7-methylated compound and this is the structure commonly used in research male contraceptives. Shutdown of sperm production was what I was focusing on

 

[BrYmAsTeR17]

Nevermind, this means nothing. IBE was bought by another company.

LOL :clap2:

 

[IBESupps]

To further the case here is a "case study" on a single athlete followed by a medical journal. He was taking 300mg/week nandrolone, 30mg/week bolasterone, 25mg/day mesterolone for 6 weeks, then switched to 50mg/day mesterolone, 35mg/day oxandrolone, 150mg/wk boldenolone undecylenate, 60mg/wk methenolone acetate for the remainder of the time. The following list is his blood work after those times. Remember drugs such as lipitor allow for liver enzymes as high as 3x normal before a switch is required. Even more importantly is that after 3 weeks there is almost no change in liver enzyme values. As you guys should note these compounds shouldn't be taken longer than 4 weeks anyways and although bolasterone isn't methylated it has been mentioned above that it is extremely liver toxic.

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[MidwestBeast]

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[HereToStudy]

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[DAdams91982]

The running theme song for this thread:

 

[nattydisaster]

although bolasterone isn't methylated it has been mentioned above that it is extremely liver toxic.

Really?

As far as the toxicity, I think we should just wait and see more feedback. For both the liver and shutdown

The compound will be potent, no doubt, and give some serious results if used right. I just think people should aware of what COULD happen. These are not safe compounds, and leaning on the side of over-cautious is usually the best thing to do here.

I remember when Superdrol was supposed to be safe on the liver when it was released. And for a while people believed it. Now it is well known it is hell on the liver and sends HDL into single digits after just 3 weeks. Always be on the cautious side

 

[jbryand101b]

bladrol is incapable of becoming 5a reduced d/t the (type of) di-methyl. just saying.

btw, got my 2nd 15 day supply in the mail today. now I have a full 30 days to run it.

I am going to need one hell of a pct.

 

[nattydisaster]

bladrol is incapable of becoming 5a reduced d/t the (type of) di-methyl. just saying.

btw, got my 2nd 15 day supply in the mail today. now I have a full 30 days to run it.

I am going to need one hell of a pct.

As long as it is 7a-methyl yes

But the fact it is a strong androgen itself will still give it effects similar to 5a-reduced compounds, hence the increase in aggression people have reported.

 

[Knowbull]

Whose gettin results?

 

[jbryand101b]

also, the compound itself is incapable of aromatization.

now am really wanting to run this just so i can see how well it works. soon, soon. got my two bottles in the cabinet, calling my name.

 

[mich29]

also, the compound itself is incapable of aromatization.

now am really wanting to run this just so i can see how well it works. soon, soon. got my two bottles in the cabinet, calling my name.

I'd be careful in saying this, anytime theres a change in the normal function of things there's a possibility for this to occur reserarch be damned.

 

[HereToStudy]

I'd be careful in saying this, anytime theres a change in the normal function of things there's a possibility for this to occur reserarch be damned.

what?

 

[vidapreta]

what?

I think he's saying any steroid is capable of aromatizing, even if said steroid is not supposed to be capable of this.. Because it does cause a change in your body. I think that's what he's saying????

 

[nattydisaster]

also, the compound itself is incapable of aromatization.

now am really wanting to run this just so i can see how well it works. soon, soon. got my two bottles in the cabinet, calling my name.

Superdrol and madol did not aromatize either but lots of estrogen sides were still seen.

What makes you think it doesn't convert? Not saying you're wrong I have just read that it converts to 7-methylestrogen which is more potent than regular estrogen

 

[mich29]

I think he's saying any steroid is capable of aromatizing, even if said steroid is not supposed to be capable of this.. Because it does cause a change in your body. I think that's what he's saying????

this would be correct

Superdrol and madol did not aromatize either but lots of estrogen sides were still seen.

What makes you think it doesn't convert? Not saying you're wrong I have just read that it converts to 7-methylestrogen which is more potent than regular estrogen

this^^

I remember a lengthly back and forth between patrick arnold,seth roberts,bruce kneller and a few others on M1T and this topic came up on why it would aromatize it was a great read.I believe so far that boladrol reminds me of this discussion.

 

[poopypants]

Well as far as some anecdotal feedback....

My joints are getting dryer and dryer, so much so that I've dropped my ai dose from 50mg to 25mg (6-bromo) the last couple days and contemplating dropping it altogether if the estrogen levels seem to drop further....

I would have figured that if methyl estrogen was being created and considering its higher binding affinity for the er that it wouldnt be dipping into such levels of estrogen deprivation this quickly....

Just an observation....

 

[jbryand101b]

A steroid needs a 3-ketone in order to aromatize, which this (a diol) does not have. this compound is also a diol, and should have some binding ability to the androgen receptor itself, needing no conversion to begin working.

I have a paper sent to me from henryv that I need to read that will give me more of an idea on the aromatization of bolasterone, which he says, looks like it will aromatize less than methyl testosterone.

 

[mich29]

A steroid needs a 3-ketone in order to aromatize, which this does not have. this compound is also a diol, and should have some binding ability to the androgen receptor itself, needing no conversion to begin working.

I have a paper on the compound sent to me from henryv that I need to read that will give me more of an idea on the aromatization of bolasterone, which he says, looks like it will aromatize less than methyl testosterone.

interesting and yea hen v always seems to find the best info on stuff.I'll def be looking out for your thoughts after reading that paper.

Well as far as some anecdotal feedback....

My joints are getting dryer and dryer, so much so that I've dropped my ai dose from 50mg to 25mg (6-bromo) the last couple days and contemplating dropping it altogether if the estrogen levels seem to drop further....

I would have figured that if methyl estrogen was being created and considering its higher binding affinity for the er that it wouldnt be dipping into such levels of estrogen deprivation this quickly....


Just an observation....

this is very interesting.

 

[poopypants]

Well be interested to see what happens in blood panels and in a wider range of users. ..

 

[SkItZoId]

Well be interested to see what happens in blood panels and in a wider range of users. ..

Slight side track. You obviously find bromo an effective AI. Have you tried Formestane and what do you think of it?

 

[poopypants]

I like it better as an androgen honestly..... Never had the drying effects with forma or trione either for that matter... Dosed both high dose in td solutions.... Loved em.

ATD, as much as a bad rap some try to give it, works great imo.

ATD and 6-bromo are the only 2 otc compounds I've taken that have dried my joints out like that.... Anastrozole and letrozole both do so as well.... as do SERMs at higher doses for too long.....

Erase sound to have some sick AI properties and with the cost of 6-bromo and erase right more they are the optimal choice imo.

 

[SkItZoId]

I like it better as an androgen honestly..... Never had the drying effects with forma or trione either for that matter... Dosed both high dose in td solutions.... Loved em.

ATD, as much as a bad rap some try to give it, works great imo.

ATD and 6-bromo are the only 2 otc compounds I've taken that have dried my joints out like that.... Anastrozole and letrozole both do so as well.... as do SERMs at higher doses for too long.....

Erase sound to have some sick AI properties and with the cost of 6-bromo and erase right more they are the optimal choice imo.

Cool. Its just I have a bottle of FS hanging about, I was hoping I might be able to use that as my AI on course just in case I ran into problems. I have thought about letro, it in itself is eaisly got hold of, I was just a bit more concerned about it's harshness, if I could have got away with forma I would have. Cheers Poop.

 

[jbryand101b]

6-bromo is my fav also out of 6-oxo,atd,6-bromo, but i have a bottle of formastanz waiting to be ran. soon....

 

[poopypants]

Cool. Its just I have a bottle of FS hanging about, I was hoping I might be able to use that as my AI on course just in case I ran into problems. I have thought about letro, it in itself is eaisly got hold of, I was just a bit more concerned about it's harshness, if I could have got away with forma I would have. Cheers Poop.

On cycle I would definitely condone use of formastane.... For pct I would make a different choice. JMHO as formastane CAN be suppressive....

I would avoid letro at all costs, unless already running test and taking it purely to combat existing gyno, not for general prevention.... Anastrozol(adex), exemestane(aromasin) might be a better research option but most rc ai's can negatively effect lipids all on their own... OTC steroidal AI's I feel are much better.

 

[jaydollars]

Poopy, when I took hyperdrol at 200mg, aka 6-bromo, day for 8 weeks my lipids where shot, this is before I had any idea what I was doing, so the over the counter stuff can get you too

 

[jbryand101b]

if you were using 6-bromo at 200mg e/d well, no wonder your lipids were shot.

I find it effective at 50mg.

were you trying to use it as an anabolic or something?

 

[ryansm]

I have used 6-bromo in the past as an on cycle AI and loved it. I find it a better choice than any of the research chems AI's personally. I have just decided to try ERASE on my boladrol cycle to combat the bp issue.

 

[poopypants]

As mentioned, if your gonna dose 6-bromo @ 4x the rec dose then your likely to see all sorts of stuff happen that may negatively effect your lipids..... Hyperdrol is much more then just 6-bromo either way so you were over dosing all sorts of items that could have been the culprit or compounded this issue with negative synergy....

Poopy, when I took hyperdrol at 200mg, aka 6-bromo, day for 8 weeks my lipids where shot, this is before I had any idea what I was doing, so the over the counter stuff can get you too

 

[poopypants]

if you were using 6-bromo at 200mg e/d well, no wonder your lipids were shot.

I find it effective at 50mg.

were you trying to use it as an anabolic or something?

Almost too effective to run it continuously.... My joints were getting real dry real quick on 50mg ed...

 

[jbryand101b]

yea, i'll be using formastanz if i need an ai for the boladrol cycle. looking forward to seeing how it works in pct as well.

 

[bigbeef]

my joints are incredibly dry from using this. I have been using 3 squirts of forma stanzol as an AI. I might switch over and try 6 bromo instead. SO far my gains are fantastic. Strength is up and really aggressive.

 

[poopypants]

I dunno if 6-bromo would be any better....

Over been taking it and my joints were drying out like crazy.... Dropped the dose to half and its finally alleviated after a few days

 

[nattydisaster]

Well as far as some anecdotal feedback....

My joints are getting dryer and dryer, so much so that I've dropped my ai dose from 50mg to 25mg (6-bromo) the last couple days and contemplating dropping it altogether if the estrogen levels seem to drop further....

I would have figured that if methyl estrogen was being created and considering its higher binding affinity for the er that it wouldnt be dipping into such levels of estrogen deprivation this quickly....

Just an observation....

The amount that may be converting since you are taking 4mg may be small enough to have no effect

 

[poopypants]

Well supposedly ryan, who hasn't dosed an as I till a couple days ago seems to be experiencing the compound effects of estrogen building across a couple days....

Sounds like my preventive measures may have been a lil over board and possibly no prevention like ryans will lead to estrogenic sides....

I suppose a lower dose addition would be a better idea (as opposed to a full dose) in order to mitigate estrogenic sides without completely destroying healthy estrogen levels.....

 

[jbryand101b]

this is all good info, as the start of my boladrol is comming up quickly.

I will be starting off using no ai, and try to go as long as I can without it.

 

[mich29]

this is all good info, as the start of my boladrol is comming up quickly.

I will be starting off using no ai, and try to go as long as I can without it.

I second this,this is def good info to know.

 

[jbryand101b]

you guys should put the liquid under your tounge for a suprise! hold it there for 30+ seconds, if you can....

 

[ryansm]

you guys should put the liquid under your tounge for a suprise! hold it there for 30+ seconds, if you can....

Tried this and it burns like a bitch. Besides it's methylated

 

[bigbeef]

I am almost 2.5 weeks in using 2mg a day and am up 7 lbs and waist is down 3/4 inch. I am going up to 4 mg for next 2 weeks

 

[IBE]

It would help you can make a small log or atleast make a post about your results so far that would be helpfull

I am almost 2.5 weeks in using 2mg a day and am up 7 lbs and waist is down 3/4 inch. I am going up to 4 mg for next 2 weeks

 

[HereToStudy]

It would help you can make a small log or atleast make a post about your results so far that would be helpfull

I second this

 

[bigbeef]

I will, I have kinda dropped the ball on my end. Work has been crazy and my computer screwed up, but will get it up tomight or tommorrow

 

[jeremiah1710]

Me Too...i plan to run Bola at half does for 1st week and then increase as needed. I have Advanced PCT (AX bromo version) and BPI Arimedex HD on hand for either on or post cycle. I don't think ill need it during, but we'll see.

 

[mich29]

Tried this and it burns like a bitch. Besides it's methylated

I second this it does indeed burn I kinda like that aspect though but then again I'ma little strange

 

[schwellington]

lmao this thread is still going on?????!!!


AMAZING!

 

[viper23]

i have got a pea size lump under my nipple from a dbol cycle, i can get hold of tamoxifen would this get rid of it?"

 

[funkd0c]

i have got a pea size lump under my nipple from a dbol cycle, i can get hold of tamoxifen would this get rid of it?"

not from what I've read.. Get letro...

 

[schwellington]

bish tamoxifen prevents gyno like fun said get some letro but research it because if u use it wrong u will be very sorry

 

[DAdams91982]

i have got a pea size lump under my nipple from a dbol cycle, i can get hold of tamoxifen would this get rid of it?"

Yes tamoxifen will get rid of it. Tamox binds selectively to the breast tissue so you don't have to endure many of the whole body estrogen suppression issues. Tamox is a synthetic weak estrogen that binds to the receptors in the breast tissue and disallows the bodies floating estrogen from binding there and causing havoc.