Vitamin D - A Physician Separates Truth from Hype

[BigBlackGuy]

tylenol-the brands hospitals trust most. when i 1st saw that ad on tv i about had a stroke, tylenol and all acetaminophen products are toxic crap. there is a good reason for your doubting big pharma.

Curcumin over that crap ANY DAY.

I think the reason doctors recommend the pharmacy backed medicines and supplements is because they are brain washed into thinking that they are the only safe thing to give out. A doctor isn't going to prescribe D3 when all the books and science say D2. That way if something goes wrong, they can't be blamed for it. They're just doing what the book told them to (aka big pharma).

 

[Flaw]

It's funny, in terms of D3 Doctors prescribe D2 because it's the only version big pharma has legislation on. They don't prescribe D3 because, well, it doesn't make them or big brother any money(even thought it's the more effective form)

So your saying even though my doctor prescribed me cholecalciferol which is D3 I still get D2?

 

[Dutchman]

Don't think he's saying that Flaw. Just that every written report states that Docs only use D2. Everyone I have asked here, including my best buds' wife who had her 50,000 today, all used D2. Your situation is not the norm by a long shot. Oh just for your info, she is getting her shots to help counteract a mild stroke she had 3 weeks ago, 50,000once a week.

 

[thebigt]

i have been taking 10 caps of puritans pride 1000 iu d3 daily divided in 2 doses. it may be placebo but i seem to be feeling more energetic, and my arthritis hasn't been acting up as bad.

if i can make it through the winter season without my annual sinus infection i will be very damned happy.

 

[prld2gr8ns]

So your saying even though my doctor prescribed me cholecalciferol which is D3 I still get D2?

Don't think he's saying that Flaw. Just that every written report states that Docs only use D2. Everyone I have asked here, including my best buds' wife who had her 50,000 today, all used D2. Your situation is not the norm by a long shot. Oh just for your info, she is getting her shots to help counteract a mild stroke she had 3 weeks ago, 50,000once a week.

Exactamundo :thumbsup:

 

[DR.D]

i have been taking 10 caps of puritans pride 1000 iu d3 daily divided in 2 doses. it may be placebo but i seem to be feeling more energetic, and my arthritis hasn't been acting up as bad.

if i can make it through the winter season without my annual sinus infection i will be very damned happy.

D3 is a pretty decent and specific Th2 immune booster (increasing IL-10 levels) so you may very well feel a mood/energy boost from it. It also suppresses Th1 cytokines like IFN-y and TNF-a, and that can produce additional antidepressant-like effects, plus attenuate inflammatory and autoimmune conditions. However, this reduces your innate immunity to directly inhibit viral replication, so apparently it possesses some other intrinsic flu/cancer fighting quality that negates it's negative effect on T-cell response.

 

[MAxximal]

A lot of outdated misinfo on a huge, complex, rapidly evolving topic.

I had been taking 10,000 IUs daily for a couple of years. Now for over a year I have been taking 15,000 IUs daily. At 10,000 I was unable to raise my ng/ml levels up to my desired range of 60 to 70. My late wife who was dying from severe, metasticized cancers of her Lungs, Brain, Liver and 3 Lymph Nodes agreed to begin taking Vitamin D3 at 20,000 IUs. ALL of her metasteses stopped spreading and eventually she died from the negative side effects of the radiation and chemotherapy they put her on. I have colllected a ton of articles on this subject for years because of my own interest and then the appropriateness with my wife's problems. Many of the DOCs I respect recommend 5,000 IUs daily for the average person.......in their 20ies. By the time we are over 60 our bodies only process about 25% of the D3we receive regardless of method, hence the need for much higher doses as we age. Similarly if one has a lot of body fat or darker skin (negro, hispanic, native american etc) then your ability to process D3 drops dramatically. Besides it's ability to help prevent 77% of the known cancers affecting us D3 has many other uses. My niece is closly following and trying on her own the major test program ongoing with 30,000 IUs daily for MS patients. The old toxicity levels once thought to be around 10,000 to 12,000 are as valid as the World is Flat BS. Taking the larger doses is not expensive. For example I now prefer to use the Sam's Club version which gives me 400 X 5,000 IU gel caps for only $14 bucks. I completely believe in the extensive research info available on D3 and Lung, Prostate and Breast Cancer. Add in that it has such a positive effect on my bones and my heart and I can't afford NOT to use it.

In general I highly recommend roaming around the Vitamin D Council site at Invalid Link Removed, and searching the topic at Dr Joseph Mercola at Invalid Link Removed and the Health Ranger at Invalid Link Removed.

In addition the following article from three years ago by Dr Cannell, perhaps the most highly accredited, recognized specialist on D3 is particularly interesting for us in the IronWorld. Invalid Link Removed

Great Info man Thanks for sharing and Sorry for you ex-wife Rest in Peace.

 

[MAxximal]

Curcumin over that crap ANY DAY.

I think the reason doctors recommend the pharmacy backed medicines and supplements is because they are brain washed into thinking that they are the only safe thing to give out. A doctor isn't going to prescribe D3 when all the books and science say D2. That way if something goes wrong, they can't be blamed for it. They're just doing what the book told them to (aka big pharma).

CURCUMIN 95% (by HPLC) premium C3

 

[thebigt]

D3 is a pretty decent and specific Th2 immune booster (increasing IL-10 levels) so you may very well feel a mood/energy boost from it. It also suppresses Th1 cytokines like IFN-y and TNF-a, and that can produce additional antidepressant-like effects, plus attenuate inflammatory and autoimmune conditions. However, this reduces your innate immunity to directly inhibit viral replication, so apparently it possesses some other intrinsic flu/cancer fighting quality that negates it's negative effect on T-cell response.

so how much do you take doc? i am really liking the 10000 iu daily, of course i frontloaded it with prescription 20000iu 2x week for 2 months.

 

[DR.D]

I only take 2,000-4,000 iu/day. But I can see how some folks might benefit from the higher doses.

 

[thebigt]

I only take 2,000-4,000 iu/day. But I can see how some folks might benefit from the higher doses.

from what dutchman was saying it seems the need for more goes up as we age. plus it appears there is no toxicity involved in higher dosing.

 

[MAxximal]

any BEST brand?

 

[thebigt]

any BEST brand?

puritans pride runs deals like buy 2 get 3 free. my mom has been ordering from them for years and lets me know when they are running deals.

 

[Dutchman]

from what dutchman was saying it seems the need for more goes up as we age. plus it appears there is no toxicity involved in higher dosing.

Estimates on the decline by the age of 60 versus 20 range from 25% down to 10%. I am comfortable at 15,000 IUs ED and my Docs at the VA tell me to continue with exactly what I am doing.

I am currently fascinated by the possibility, as stated in testing released last December, that D3 may play a significant role in controlling my SHBG and increasing my Free Testosterone %. My VA Urologist, who put me on the Test Cyp, and I discussed it and he is not sure whether it is the D3 or the Nettle Root which has me at 3.2X on a scale, which for my age should be at best 1 to 2. Even my Total Free Test at 110 is pretty good.

The latest estimates on toxicity levels that I have seen run from 100,000 to 150,000 IUs.

 

[thebigt]

Estimates on the decline by the age of 60 versus 20 range from 25% down to 10%. I am comfortable at 15,000 IUs ED and my Docs at the VA tell me to continue with exactly what I am doing.

I am currently fascinated by the possibility, as stated in testing released last December, that D3 may play a significant role in controlling my SHBG and increasing my Free Testosterone %. My VA Urologist, who put me on the Test Cyp, and I discussed it and he is not sure whether it is the D3 or the Nettle Root which has me at 3.2X on a scale, which for my age should be at best 1 to 2. Even my Total Free Test at 110 is pretty good.

The latest estimates on toxicity levels that I have seen run from 100,000 to 150,000 IUs.

wow-that is a great free test range. d3 sounds better all the time-keep the updates coming, dutch.

 

[bdcc]

The range of acceptable D3 levels is absolutely huge hence there being so many conflicting views on how much you can take.

Supposedly a bolus dose twice per week replenishes levels faster than taking everyday i.e., 35,000iu twice per week would restore your levels faster than 10,000iu taken 7 days per week. As far as I am aware the mechanism of this isn't known.

Bottom line, get your levels tested. A lot of functional medicine practitioners recommend levels of 80nmol/L to 100nmol/L. If you get tested ensure you get 25(OH)D not 1,25(OH)D.

 

[DR.D]

Estimates on the decline by the age of 60 versus 20 range from 25% down to 10%. I am comfortable at 15,000 IUs ED and my Docs at the VA tell me to continue with exactly what I am doing.

I am currently fascinated by the possibility, as stated in testing released last December, that D3 may play a significant role in controlling my SHBG and increasing my Free Testosterone %. My VA Urologist, who put me on the Test Cyp, and I discussed it and he is not sure whether it is the D3 or the Nettle Root which has me at 3.2X on a scale, which for my age should be at best 1 to 2. Even my Total Free Test at 110 is pretty good.

The latest estimates on toxicity levels that I have seen run from 100,000 to 150,000 IUs.

I'd guess the D3 probably deserves credit for the total test increase (it's an anti-e) and the nettle root most likely the free test increase.

 

[p5sky]

The range of acceptable D3 levels is absolutely huge hence there being so many conflicting views on how much you can take.

Supposedly a bolus dose twice per week replenishes levels faster than taking everyday i.e., 35,000iu twice per week would restore your levels faster than 10,000iu taken 7 days per week. As far as I am aware the mechanism of this isn't known.

Bottom line, get your levels tested. A lot of functional medicine practitioners recommend levels of 80ng/ml to 100ng/ml. If you get tested ensure you get 25(OH)D not 1,25(OH)D.

Once levels have been restored is lower dosing effective, such as 5,000iu/daily? Or would it be effective to mega dose 2x/week routinely?

 

[bdcc]

Good question. I would stick with twice per week personally. It is worth keeping in mind that research is developing very quickly and newer evidence is bound to come out. My own research had hugely different recommendations within 18 months (toxicity speculation).

I wouldn't expect a specific dose to work for everyone as other factors are involved I.e amount consumed in diet, amount of sunlight, amount of skin on show, whether someone wears sunglasses, magnesium levels, zinc levels and vitamin e levels.

Worth checking it every so often to find out what your own maintenance dose is.

 

[thebigt]

I'd guess the D3 probably deserves credit for the total test increase (it's an anti-e) and the nettle root most likely the free test increase.

anti-e???? at what dose...

 

[DR.D]

anti-e???? at what dose...

I found it on PubMed. There's lots of data on it...

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[Dutchman]

I found it on PubMed. There's lots of data on it...

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Thanks D, your comments are always a great part of this forum. This report is especially good. I hadn't seen it and now I am even more convinced that my D3 is my number 1 supp for yet another reason.

 

[thebigt]

Thanks D, your comments are always a great part of this forum. This report is especially good. I hadn't seen it and now I am even more convinced that my D3 is my number 1 supp for yet another reason.

x2.


1 question-will taking d3 with a calcium rich meal aid in effectiveness? it seems d3 and calcium are like pb and jelly.

 

[Flaw]

Don't think he's saying that Flaw. Just that every written report states that Docs only use D2. Everyone I have asked here, including my best buds' wife who had her 50,000 today, all used D2. Your situation is not the norm by a long shot. Oh just for your info, she is getting her shots to help counteract a mild stroke she had 3 weeks ago, 50,000once a week.

Are you saying there's a possibility I may be taking D3 then? Sorry, I'm a bit confused :thinking:

 

[oufinny]

I read this a while back and found that Sam's sells a 5000iu bottle 400 pills for $10 so I picked it up. I am going to start out at 15000-20000iu a day for a month and see how that works. I do like the idea of taking a bolus does twice a week, that is just easier. Is there something you need to take D3 with to make sure you get maximum absorption?

 

[DR.D]

x2.


1 question-will taking d3 with a calcium rich meal aid in effectiveness? it seems d3 and calcium are like pb and jelly.

Yes, pb and jelly! Good analogy. It's probably smart to restrict your Calcium intake a little if you plan to use higher doses of D3, because D3 should increase the efficiency of Calcium utilization. Taking too much Calcium with big doses of D3 can promote calcification of the kidneys and other problems for some folks. I'd probably stop taking Calcium supps all together and avoid excess milk consumption if I was going to start a big D3 regimen, either that or increase my water intake to discourage urinary hypertonicity and risk of stones.

 

[DR.D]

I read this a while back and found that Sam's sells a 5000iu bottle 400 pills for $10 so I picked it up. I am going to start out at 15000-20000iu a day for a month and see how that works. I do like the idea of taking a bolus does twice a week, that is just easier. Is there something you need to take D3 with to make sure you get maximum absorption?

Here's a pretty versatile and concise article about D3:

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[oufinny]

Yes, pb and jelly! Good analogy. It's probably smart to restrict your Calcium intake a little if you plan to use higher doses of D3, because D3 should increase the efficiency of Calcium utilization. Taking too much Calcium with big doses of D3 can promote calcification of the kidneys and other problems for some folks. I'd probably stop taking Calcium supps all together and avoid excess milk consumption if I was going to start a big D3 regimen, either that or increase my water intake to discourage urinary hypertonicity and risk of stones.

Great info Dr. D! I don't get excessive amounts of calcium so I don't have to worry but I am surely starting to up my D3 intake. Between that an my Orange Triad I should be pretty good to go.

 

[thebigt]

Yes, pb and jelly! Good analogy. It's probably smart to restrict your Calcium intake a little if you plan to use higher doses of D3, because D3 should increase the efficiency of Calcium utilization. Taking too much Calcium with big doses of D3 can promote calcification of the kidneys and other problems for some folks. I'd probably stop taking Calcium supps all together and avoid excess milk consumption if I was going to start a big D3 regimen, either that or increase my water intake to discourage urinary hypertonicity and risk of stones.

man, thanks doc. you saved me from possibly screwing up. i was actaully looking at 10001u d3/12mgcalcium supplement.

at the moment i am using puritan's pride 1000iu d3. i like it because it is a tiny gel cap and 10 of them are very easy to get down.


thanks again-doctor d!

 

[DR.D]

man, thanks doc. you saved me from possibly screwing up. i was actaully looking at 10001u d3/12mgcalcium supplement.

at the moment i am using puritan's pride 1000iu d3. i like it because it is a tiny gel cap and 10 of them are very easy to get down.


thanks again-doctor d!

Well if each cap has only 12 mg of Calcium, that's pretty trivial. That should be alright bigT. Even 10 caps would only yield 120mg of Calcium total, so that's probably no problem at all. Reread the label and make sure it's only "12 mg". I wouldn't even worry about that. I'm talking about higher Calcium intake before it becomes a concern. For example, just 1 regular strength TUMS has 500 mg of Calcium in it! That's the kind of doses I'd avoid.

 

[thebigt]

Well if each cap has only 12 mg of Calcium, that's pretty trivial. That should be alright bigT. Even 10 caps would only yield 120mg of Calcium total, so that's probably no problem at all. Reread the label and make sure it's only "12 mg". I wouldn't even worry about that. I'm talking about higher Calcium intake before it becomes a concern. For example, just 1 regular strength TUMS has 500 mg of Calcium in it! That's the kind of doses I'd avoid.

damn, i reread label, it is 120mg calcium. geez:sad3: going to avoid it. i have 2 full bottles of the 100 count 1000iu d3 gel caps, will just stick to it.

 

[carbcrazy]

keepin it G with Vitamin D

 

[Emma]

Great article. I go for the sun exposure whenever possible.

 

[AVP]

Hi!

My mom has LES(erythematous systemic lupus). I'm from Brazil, here is a hot country(bad for LES, cannot expoisure to Sun), although we live in the coldest city of Brazil.

She had LES for the first time before I born, when she has 22 yo.

After this, the diasease get into remission, thats ok.

But in 2009(more than 20 years later) the LES come back

And come back too much agressive. Attacks heart, kidney, joints, skin, liver...

She was one month in hospital to normalize all. Taking heavy antibiotics and corticoids...

When she returns to our home, she had to continuous the treatment, so many drugs she was taking.. I was very afraid she desenvolved Cushing, because the corticoids...

I'm a biomedic, my area is cancer, but studied on college LES. So I decied to introduce some supplements on her diet.

First, only gives vitamin D. 40.000 UI twice a week. The diet that I made to her was perfect. After this some calcium, magnesim, multi, vit E, C and other stuff...

But she still was takind the drugs, especially the Methotrexate, that serves to down the immune complexes that LES form. But Methotrexate is an type of chemotherapy, so her hair was falling For womens that's bad.

So what I did: I suspend the Methotrexate for my self and enter with DHEA (Methotrexate + DHEA = Serious liver damage).

And send her to the gym : ).

She was 100% percent ok, health, so glad.

The mistake: After one month of gym, I give to her Whey protein. In one week her joints was aching... The same symptoms again : )

That's because of the immunoglobulin G that has in Whey protein. Stop the whey, she get healthy again : )

After two months taking 40.000 UI twice a week, now she is taking 10.000 UI every day.

Sorry for my English!

 

[Jasen]

Hi!

My mom has LES(erythematous systemic lupus). I'm from Brazil, here is a hot country(bad for LES, cannot expoisure to Sun), although we live in the coldest city of Brazil.

She had LES for the first time before I born, when she has 22 yo.

After this, the diasease get into remission, thats ok.

But in 2009(more than 20 years later) the LES come back

And come back too much agressive. Attacks heart, kidney, joints, skin, liver...

She was one month in hospital to normalize all. Taking heavy antibiotics and corticoids...

When she returns to our home, she had to continuous the treatment, so many drugs she was taking.. I was very afraid she desenvolved Cushing, because the corticoids...

I'm a biomedic, my area is cancer, but studied on college LES. So I decied to introduce some supplements on her diet.

First, only gives vitamin D. 40.000 UI twice a week. The diet that I made to her was perfect. After this some calcium, magnesim, multi, vit E, C and other stuff...

But she still was takind the drugs, especially the Methotrexate, that serves to down the immune complexes that LES form. But Methotrexate is an type of chemotherapy, so her hair was falling For womens that's bad.

So what I did: I suspend the Methotrexate for my self and enter with DHEA (Methotrexate + DHEA = Serious liver damage).

And send her to the gym : ).

She was 100% percent ok, health, so glad.

The mistake: After one month of gym, I give to her Whey protein. In one week her joints was aching... The same symptoms again : )

That's because of the immunoglobulin G that has in Whey protein. Stop the whey, she get healthy again : )

After two months taking 40.000 UI twice a week, now she is taking 10.000 UI every day.

Sorry for my English!

U are a very smart man welcome to a.m.

 

[prld2gr8ns]

man, thanks doc. you saved me from possibly screwing up. i was actaully looking at 10001u d3/12mgcalcium supplement.

at the moment i am using puritan's pride 1000iu d3. i like it because it is a tiny gel cap and 10 of them are very easy to get down.


thanks again-doctor d!

Go to Walmart and get D3 capsules at 5000IU for like 4 bucks. No calcium. Cheap and easy means of staying healthy.