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think i've got my next madness cycle figured out

here's the arms update

day 54

233 pounds

ARMS
pretty much went back and forth between a lot of different things so this is the approximate order

preacher curls: 125*6, 145*6, 165*4 (just wanted to see if i could do 165)
weighted dips: +100*20, +100*20, +100*18 (not bad)
standing db curls: 70*10
incline db curls: 65*9, 65*8 (good)
db preacher curls: 50*7, 50*6
CGBP: 225*10, 245*8, 265*6 (down a couple reps : / )
standing db curls: 55*13, 55*13 (too pumped to do more and ROM started failing)
cable tricep pressdowns: 140*10, 150*10

I'd call this workout just OK. Nothing is particularly up. On the other hand, as I lost bench reps earlier this week, I also lost reps on close grip bench today. Not very conducive to an entertaining log, sorry guys : /

At least I was able to rep 165 on preacher curls, lol even I think it's ridiculous weight. Somehow my forearms and wrists didn't snap although the forearm pressure was tremendous.
 
lmao CM..... for real though thats some massive weight on preachers Unreal.. good job dude, your arms must be looking all nice n pumped right now.
 
damnn bro you killed your bi's!!! nice!!
 
thanks yes that is pretty much unprecedented weight on preacher curls. I remember hitting 125 3 years ago and 135 2 years ago but I couldn't do 145 back then and i didn't really try preacher curls much in the last couple years.

And Aldross i have cleared my PM's, those always sneak up on me and then I wonder why I'm not getting popups with a ton of new PMs.
 
UnrealMachine said:
thanks yes that is pretty much unprecedented weight on preacher curls. I remember hitting 125 3 years ago and 135 2 years ago but I couldn't do 145 back then and i didn't really try preacher curls much in the last couple years.

And Aldross i have cleared my PM's, those always sneak up on me and then I wonder why I'm not getting popups with a ton of new PMs.
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You ready for 0 rep lol?

I am :D
 
mooch2321 said:
Buncha Manhole Inspectors swabbing the poop deck at a medium pace in here
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Good to see you too ******* :)

I am bringing T up to 500mg today and starting T3 at 25mcg... anxious to bring this cycle to the next phase.
 
UnrealMachine said:
Good to see you too ******* :)

I am bringing T up to 500mg today and starting T3 at 25mcg... anxious to bring this cycle to the next phase.
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Now im really interested... how many days in are you bro?
 
well i started the SD 8 weeks back. And I started the test 10 weeks back. So i'm pretty far in.
 
But back then your test was like what 300?
 
i ran test at 320 for a few weeks then went to 350. So now i'm bumping to 500. I'm not feeling the test anymore it's pretty weird. No new acne, libido is normal (yes normal) and even the nip sensitivity from estrogen seems like it's gone down a lot (and i've been skipping my letro doses as well). It's pretty weird.
 
Go to 1000 500 wayto low
 
lol i've been through this before, i've done over 1g of test, it didn't make any difference. I don't think it matters what I raise the test to, so long as I raise it up from the static level which i've accustomed myself to
 
your test is fake
 
Jk I know you hate when ppl say that lol ummmm yah same next year il try 1250a week
 
That change of ester theory is something to consider... when i read that post i was a little suprised cause i switched from test e to c a few weeks ago mid cycle and felt real peculiar, similar to when test kicks in at the beggining of a cycle, like hormonal fluccuations are happening.. idk

yea, if anything that 500 will better prevent catabolism while running the t3
 
Dame when I switched I noticed it also
 
Awesome numbers on the arm workout man! Speaking of forearms snapping...do you ever hit forearms directly, with wrist curls and such?
 
no i never work forearms. i figure they get enough of a workout between arms and back and all the heavy gripping they have to do
 
Im thinking of runing a low dose 10 week test Cyp cycle at 250 mg a wk starting sept 1 with a Superdrone 4 week kickstart at 20/20/20/20 This will be my first injectable..But i was wondering what type of hormonal issues you guys think i might encounter??? Like temper depression etc from a dose that low??
 
wolfe14 said:
Im thinking of runing a low dose 10 week test Cyp cycle at 250 mg a wk starting sept 1 with a Superdrone 4 week kickstart at 20/20/20/20 This will be my first injectable..But i was wondering what type of hormonal issues you guys think i might encounter??? Like temper depression etc from a dose that low??
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No offense buddy but this has nothing to do with my log... you need to make a new thread for questions like this



anyway day 56, i have bumped test to 500, T3 at 25mcg, mast still at 320, still on Need2slin with my first 3 meals. Weight 234 today for cardio/ab workout.

Next week i'm changing up my lifting style a little bit and i'll go for higher reps instead of going so heavy, i feel like i'm kinda maxing myself out with the heavy workouts and wasn't really making any progress anyway

Diet change will be slow... I try to accomplish my fatloss by doing more activity rather than just eating less. I have tried it the other way around and it failed, i can eat less and my weight won't budge, my metabolism is too slow for that.

I call it active vs. passive fatloss. Passive fatloss is for fat lazy slobs where you pop lots of pills and chemicals/whatever and sit around eating less and hope the fat comes off. Active fatloss is where you keep eating a hearty amount of food but get lots of actual exercise in, sweat a lot and work your cardiovascular system.
 
Active fatloss IMO is a lot more rewarding, and probably translates into easier kept weight.

I hear ya on dropping some of the weight. I did 250 on tbars today and it killed me. Couldnt go as heavy on the rest of my workout. Have you tried maybe a deload week? That might give you some time to let your body and CNS recoupe
 
wolfe14 said:
Im thinking of runing a low dose 10 week test Cyp cycle at 250 mg a wk starting sept 1 with a Superdrone 4 week kickstart at 20/20/20/20 This will be my first injectable..But i was wondering what type of hormonal issues you guys think i might encounter??? Like temper depression etc from a dose that low??
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:gotsearch :hijacked::offtopic::soapbox::saw:
 
SouthernCharm said:
Active fatloss IMO is a lot more rewarding, and probably translates into easier kept weight.

I hear ya on dropping some of the weight. I did 250 on tbars today and it killed me. Couldnt go as heavy on the rest of my workout. Have you tried maybe a deload week? That might give you some time to let your body and CNS recoupe
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Well i'll be going a little lighter next week but not super light. To me light means doing sets of 10 on my primary exercises which I usually do sets of 6-8 reps on. So light to me isn't super light. I think a deload week is lighter than that.

As for the CNS thing i dunno but i just don't worry about it much. When I started up my training again I trained for over 2 years without taking a week off. I actually went about 2 years and I only missed something like 5 workouts. When i finally did take a week off, it didn't help at all and I felt like it was a week down the drain.
Sooo basically i don't take time off, i don't deload, i truly believe that I can train day after day after day as heavy as I want.

Anyway I am not worried about CNS but i am worried about my joints. I have made it this far and trained this heavy with 0 joint problems and 0 precautions taken but reading all the other logs has gotten me scared and I want to play this conservatively. Right now I am at my peak in terms of strength in almost all areas and the worst setback I could encounter right now is hurting myself from lifting heavy or running into joint issues.

So I am opting to train lighter for these reasons
1) avoid joint problems before they can arise
2) lack of progress lifting heavy (I just can't make any real gains without SD of PP because test is just too weak)
3) change of pace. Want to throw something at my muscles that they're not used to. Figure if i switch my training style I can work on "shaping" them better if there's such a thing, or that at least the extra volume will burn more calories, and possibly the extra reps will help bring about better vascularity

I'm just kinda afraid of going heavier. I have lower back to worry about on back day. On chest/shoulders, well 7 months ago I hurt my pec and my shoulder from benching. And then on arm day it's my wrists that worry me. I'm curling so much weight, the strain on my wrists is tremendous.
 
UnrealMachine said:
I'm just kinda afraid of going heavier. I have lower back to worry about on back day. On chest/shoulders, well 7 months ago I hurt my pec and my shoulder from benching. And then on arm day it's my wrists that worry me. I'm curling so much weight, the strain on my wrists is tremendous.
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yea bro.. that pm i sent you was based on this. Ligamentous tissue and joint capsules dont rebuild as quickly as muscle so i think theres a point during a cycle where your benefits will become retroactive and you end up on the brink of injury

if anything, get some wrist wraps for those heavy arm days and f*** BB bench lol.. theres extra precautions you just have to take at this level of strength

i strained my lower abdominal the other day messing around on these bars in my friends backyard.. im 240 and still think i can do stuff i did when i was 180.. just gotta be aware of your bodys limitations at this level
 
Cns does not overtrained when one trains one body part a wk. Hence a big reason once aweek is effective
 
Jasen said:
Cns does not overtrained when one trains one body part a wk. Hence a big reason once aweek is effective
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care to elaborate on that one? training a body part once a week give the muscle time to recover but the central nervous system is affected by the everyday workouts regardless....
 
Yeah but by how much? Training each body part 3 times a week creates more stress to cns to where recovery week is nneeded. Everything affects cns but to what degree. Training over part a week crates stress as well but not nearly enough
 
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°still getting used to droid x
 
Jasen said:
Yeah but by how much? Training each body part 3 times a week creates more stress to cns to where recovery week is nneeded. Everything affects cns but to what degree. Training over part a week crates stress as well but not nearly enough
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one or two high intensity sets to failure would stress the cns to the point of needing a rest day....IMHO. Ive never ever grown as fast as i did when i switched to the dc program.
 
Jasen said:
thats a horrible one to use, man i should make a back training video for u guys i have a very detailed back. One day. try using traps as stabilizer while using the V-ropes i noticed this really helps brings out teres minor and major as well as lats and rhomboids.
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If you're referring to the v-grip pictured above your post, yes it is the one I was talking about, and no it isn't a horrible one to use.

I don't have a problem with people disagreeing with me, but just saying "that's a horrible one" with nothing to support your opinion isn't very helpful.
 
it is for me since my shpoulders and and lat are VERY wide it also kills my wrist. btw explain DC training? i dont do set till failure never needed too takes too much concentraiton of the muscle and creates ****Y form and injuries
 
you really should look up DC training, it's all about hitting repeated failure in a short time interval, it functions to inflict the most damage with the least volume

i always go to failure at least on my last set. Or if not absolute failure, i make sure that my last rep is the last rep that I am capable of doing.


DAY 57

232 lbs
CHEST and the name of the game is more reps

bench: 135*10, 225*10, 265*10, 285*9
incline db flys: 65*10, 70*10
EIGHT burnout sets going between pec deck and incline wide grip pushups

uhm not a bad workout. stupid flat bench though i hate it, i'm doing incline next time for sets of 10. And then i want to switch it up with some weird stuff like cable crossovers and hammer strength presses before I do all the burnouts.
I just had to do the incline db flys though it's such a great chest workout

recomp/cut mode engaged
 
Jasen said:
it is for me since my shpoulders and and lat are VERY wide it also kills my wrist. btw explain DC training? i dont do set till failure never needed too takes too much concentraiton of the muscle and creates ****Y form and injuries
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:ponder: Rowing with the v-grip is more of a back thickness exercise, not a width exercise. And I'm not sure how it would hurt your wrist, there's literally no wrist flexion at all.

Are we talking about the same exercise here?
 
UnrealMachine said:
you really should look up DC training, it's all about hitting repeated failure in a short time interval, it functions to inflict the most damage with the least volume

i always go to failure at least on my last set. Or if not absolute failure, i make sure that my last rep is the last rep that I am capable of doing.


DAY 57

232 lbs
CHEST and the name of the game is more reps

bench: 135*10, 225*10, 265*10, 285*9
incline db flys: 65*10, 70*10
EIGHT burnout sets going between pec deck and incline wide grip pushups

uhm not a bad workout. stupid flat bench though i hate it, i'm doing incline next time for sets of 10. And then i want to switch it up with some weird stuff like cable crossovers and hammer strength presses before I do all the burnouts.
I just had to do the incline db flys though it's such a great chest workout

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yeah **** flat bench, incline bb ftw.. incline fly's ftw..

good luck on recomp brah, looking foward to see ur progress!
 
BarbellBeast said:
yeah **** flat bench, incline bb ftw.. incline fly's ftw..

good luck on recomp brah, looking foward to see ur progress!
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dont forget incline DB! my faaaaave for chest mass. If you can get the weights up you should be able to pump some serious lbs
 
bezoe said:
dont forget incline DB! my faaaaave for chest mass. If you can get the weights up you should be able to pump some serious lbs
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I love incline DB's. Hell, I love flat DB's as well. I stopped BB altogether and noticed a much improved chest.
 
The_Reverend said:
I love incline DB's. Hell, I love flat DB's as well. I stopped BB altogether and noticed a much improved chest.
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amen. BB is good for jacking up the shoulder girdle... ligaments, labrum, and RC tendons
 
i considered doing db's but i can comfortably rep 265 on incline so i'd be doing like say 120 dbs for my incline db bench and honestly i think i'm more likely to hurt myself trying to stabilize 120's over my head

anyone ever experienced what i call "sudden tricep failure" on a pressing motion? yeah thats the kind of stuff i'd be afraid of

up to 100 pounders, no problem, over 100 gets difficult to manage
 
yeah i'm with you on that unreal, its too much ****ing around with db's, you waste half you're effort/strength getting them in place... but db's do have their place. IMO for other exercises, everyones different and responds different, nothing works as good as the incline bb press for me though, i don't get much out of flat or incline db presses. flat or incline fly's on the other had. well those are the shizzzz. really tear your **** up
 
UnrealMachine said:
i considered doing db's but i can comfortably rep 265 on incline so i'd be doing like say 120 dbs for my incline db bench and honestly i think i'm more likely to hurt myself trying to stabilize 120's over my head

anyone ever experienced what i call "sudden tricep failure" on a pressing motion? yeah thats the kind of stuff i'd be afraid of

up to 100 pounders, no problem, over 100 gets difficult to manage
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bro completely agree.. its funny.. i was doing 120s on db incline last week.. cause i had no spotter.. and wanted to go heavy.. left tricep was just so pumped it pretty much gave out on my last set.. could have easily dropped in on my head.. used half my energy getting the damn things up...
 
UnrealMachine said:
i considered doing db's but i can comfortably rep 265 on incline so i'd be doing like say 120 dbs for my incline db bench and honestly i think i'm more likely to hurt myself trying to stabilize 120's over my head

anyone ever experienced what i call "sudden tricep failure" on a pressing motion? yeah thats the kind of stuff i'd be afraid of

up to 100 pounders, no problem, over 100 gets difficult to manage
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no but i do have the problem of getting tried and having it "roll" back on to my shoulder and have that totaly drop out. But last week now that you mention it, I wuz "poppin up the 95s for incline bench,got the right one up on to my chest but the left arm went out a lil much and i wuz basically incline curling the 95 held it out there for a few seconds while my spotter just stared in amazment, instead of spotting me lol
 
day 58

232 lbs

back day

real t-bar rows (v-grip): 4plates*15, 5plates*15, 5.5plates*15
plate-loaded iso-pulldowns: 270*12, 320*8, 180*25
db rows: 120*15, 140*6, 140*6 (****ing grip slip, ****ing pissed me off, stupid dumbells)
plate-loaded iso row machine: 145*10, 160*10, 180*10

Good workout, tried to get in a lot of quality reps today. Dumbell rows pissed me off, 120 was easy as hell, 140 i just could not grip. I had straps, but the dumbell would just start to spin and unravel the straps and i'd be gripping with the sweaty tips of my fingers, no good. My grip slipping is a major problem. It doesn't help that i sweat like a mofo during my workouts.
I mean by the end of every workout, my shirt is completely wet, drenched in sweat, NO exaggeration ok. Like 75% of the surface area of the shirt is just completely wet.
I work hard.

Anyway major PR on those iso rows, thats 4 plates per arm. The straps work great on the iso rows because the bar can't spin and let the straps unravel. So PR by 20 pounds on those lol... They are so easy, everytime I go for an increase I can make it no problem. I'll keep increasing those things.


In the last couple months i've gotten the most improvement out of my back. Weird that i can still squeeze out strength gains even when my weight dips and IMO i am not looking any leaner. I think a huge part of it is just an endurance increase from Jack3d letting me get more reps into each set.
I also think the Jack3d is why i'm sweating so much, it just allows me to work harder/longer and use more energy on any given set.

I usually hate supps cuz most of them suck but IMO jack3d is really making a difference in my workouts. And this is only 2 scoops.

Actually now that I think about it my workouts are doing better on this cycle with a low amount of test + Jack3d than they were last cycle with over 1gram of test and no jack3d LOL.
Jack3d > Testosterone Lmao.
 
UnrealMachine said:
Jack3d > Testosterone Lmao.
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bold words from a believer right there lol

good workout bro. impressive rep numbers on that t bar and good weight on the iso rows. I fawkin love the iso rows, they get my back all pumped
 
4 plates per arm.. that's pretty beastly brah...

dude i sweat so bad too, i use alot of chalk on back days, helps ALOT for me.

i agree the jack3d really helps. but man jack3d better than test? man you're makin me say **** test.. lol
 
Yeah well that's how it is. Jack3d actually makes a difference in the gym, test is like i've said, a barely noticable difference from natural lifting. When I came off the orals I kept increasing calories and my weight dropped and then leveled out. And honestly i am not looking any leaner... I think i look worse than I did 2 weeks ago. I think i gained fat in the last 2 weeks from eating so many calories. It's happened before. Unlike orals there's 0 nutrient repartitioning. So i try to bulk and i just get fat. Just like natural lifting.

Anyway i don't care, i'm going to start the halodrol soon at a high dose and ramp up T3 so i'm going to start looking GOOD and that's what I care about.
 
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