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The Strongest Natural Testosterone Booster Available? (Blood Work Included)

HereToStudy said:
Was this post cycle, as in after you used the Form for PCT?
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Exactly twelve hours (srs) after last dose (1 cap) of PCT for Natadrol. Ran PCT as 4/4/3/2 caps, spread even thru the day (ie 2am 2pm, 1am 1pm, etc).

Link to log for details:
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/146854-lg-natadrol-appnut.html

thebigt said:
thanks- those numbers are about right for a healthy guy that age.
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my test levels have been low for quite a while. had doc visits + testing for quite a few years after a bad accident (7 vertebral compression fractures, 1 standard fracture) when i was 14. was on a lot of pain meds, stayed in bed for 6 mos., lost a significant amt of weight (115lbs on a large frame, looked anorexic), got depressed, more meds, boom fuked up hormones. first test they ran was in low 100s, then after a year or so of dietary management + PT they got it to "acceptable levels" of ~200. Endo+doc prescribed Androgel, but it didnt work out (skin rash, hives). Ended up trying to supplement my way up after i lost my insurance, and only ever saw 400 once, which was in January. From ~400 to high 700s in about three months (after PCT as well, though for a very mild product) is an improvement of nearly 100%, nothing to scoff at.

This is by far the best i have felt since i hit puberty. I wake up with wood everyday now, have random throughout the day. Ive had more sex in the last month than in the last 3 years Ive been married (srs, been 2x or more a day all month). Tremendous pump in the gym, growth seems accelerated, strength is continually increasing. Muscle density is improved, water retention down. By far the most improved factor is energy, I feel reinvigorated (which is hard being unemployed). i am an absolute believer in this product (I actually bought another bottle to run alongside Nolva in my PCT for Hdrol/m1d coming up soon).
 
thebigt said:
isn't natadrol supposed to raise test also?
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Yea, that's why I asked about if it was the PCT. It still provides great look into the positives of products from LG, but doesn't necessarily give formadrol the full credit.

I am not saying I didnt like seeing the bloods, thank you so much! I am also not of the "I don't think Formadrol works until I see more bloods" camp. However, A study of someone who uses Formadrol as a standalone will give a better look at it's results.
 
HereToStudy said:
Yea, that's why I asked about if it was the PCT. It still provides great look into the positives of products from LG, but doesn't necessarily give formadrol the full credit.

I am not saying I didnt like seeing the bloods, thank you so much! I am also not of the "I don't think Formadrol works until I see more bloods" camp. However, A study of someone who uses Formadrol as a standalone will give a better look at it's results.
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nicely worded- i think we are on the same page!
 
HereToStudy said:
Yea, that's why I asked about if it was the PCT. It still provides great look into the positives of products from LG, but doesn't necessarily give formadrol the full credit.

I am not saying I didnt like seeing the bloods, thank you so much! I am also not of the "I don't think Formadrol works until I see more bloods" camp. However, A study of someone who uses Formadrol as a standalone will give a better look at it's results.
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True. It most certainly could be a combo of the products. All I know is that the tangible improvements began a week into PCT, rather than while on Natadrol. Shouldve mentioned that b4, but it is to be taken for what it is.
 
Thanks for sharing those blood results man! Really appreciate it.
Also make sure you let us know how the next cycle goes.

EXCELLENT LOG!
 
Thanks cobfab12 for giving us those results. It sheds further positive light on this product's efficacy. :thumbsup:
Glad to see you're enjoying the effects of increased testosterone levels.

Now I'm left wondering how long will these effects remain after one finishes using Formadrol. :thinking:
It would be interesting to see someone do follow up bloodwork like 2 months after discontinuing the Formadrol. To see if the testosterone increases remain constant.
 
Amazing proof right there, and it isn't even from lg. Sounds like formadrol is nothing to take lightly in the test boosting world. imo
 
thundergod said:
Thanks cobfab12 for giving us those results. It sheds further positive light on this product's efficacy. :thumbsup:
Glad to see you're enjoying the effects of increased testosterone levels.

Now I'm left wondering how long will these effects remain after one finishes using Formadrol. :thinking:
It would be interesting to see someone do follow up bloodwork like 2 months after discontinuing the Formadrol. To see if the testosterone increases remain constant.
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if the increases remained constant supplement companies would be out of business, lol. but that is true of the pharmaceutical industry as well.
 
thebigt said:
if the increases remained constant supplement companies would be out of business, lol. but that is true of the pharmaceutical industry as well.
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I will report back in a month or so with updated bloods. Ive got the hookup on lab work right now so its not costing me anything but blood :P

Im planning on ZERO supplementation from now until I start H-Drol on May 1. No creatine/multis/etc. Only thing will be the preload of cycle support. I will have a baseline #, end of cycle #, and PCT #. Hopefully the month out # will indicate a long term rise in test levels.

One thing Id also like to mention is the far decreased Estradiol levels alongside the test boost. Looking back @ my January bloods, my # was at 29.6. This is a good indicator of aromatase inhibition as well.
 
cobfab12 said:
I will report back in a month or so with updated bloods. Ive got the hookup on lab work right now so its not costing me anything but blood :P

Im planning on ZERO supplementation from now until I start H-Drol on May 1. No creatine/multis/etc. Only thing will be the preload of cycle support. I will have a baseline #, end of cycle #, and PCT #. Hopefully the month out # will indicate a long term rise in test levels.

One thing Id also like to mention is the far decreased Estradiol levels alongside the test boost. Looking back @ my January bloods, my # was at 29.6. This is a good indicator of aromatase inhibition as well.
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this is opposite of what happened with the original tester, his increase in test was proportionate to an increase in estrogen also-lg made the argument this was normal. if your estrogen dropped that much be careful, as estrogen rebounds up test will drop.

btw-did you taper off at the end of formadrol cycle?
 
thebigt said:
this is opposite of what happened with the original tester, his increase in test was proportionate to an increase in estrogen also-lg made the argument this was normal. if your estrogen dropped that much be careful, as estrogen rebounds up test will drop.

btw-did you taper off at the end of formadrol cycle?
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Yes, ran 4/4/3/2 (last three days were one cap).
 
cobfab12 said:
One thing Id also like to mention is the far decreased Estradiol levels alongside the test boost. Looking back @ my January bloods, my # was at 29.6. This is a good indicator of aromatase inhibition as well.
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thebigt said:
this is opposite of what happened with the original tester, his increase in test was proportionate to an increase in estrogen also-lg made the argument this was normal. if your estrogen dropped that much be careful, as estrogen rebounds up test will drop.

btw-did you taper off at the end of formadrol cycle?
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I was thinking that a drop in estradiol levels was what one wanted from using this type of supplementation. This is what makes it beneficial to a PCT. Or even a regular test-boosting regimen. Formadrol didn't crush estro like A-dex or Letro would.
 
You guys are confusing THE HELL out of me right now. Nata-D can be suppressive, it doesn't raise test, which is why Forma-D is recommended for PCT.
 
Irish Cannon said:
You guys are confusing THE HELL out of me right now. Nata-D can be suppressive, it doesn't raise test, which is why Forma-D is recommended for PCT.
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inform me, if it doesn't raise test-what does it do?
 
Raising T is the opposite of suppression. Replacing T with an exogenous androgen is what causes suppression, and that's just what Natadrol does.

If it increased your natural T production, there wouldn't be any issue with this.

But since it stimulates the AR like T, it will cause some of the same feedback as T, which can result in suppression.

I think the confusion lies in semantics: "increasing T" is rather vague.
 
Resolve said:
Raising T is the opposite of suppression. Replacing T with an exogenous androgen is what causes suppression, and that's just what Natadrol does.

i don't understand what you are saying at all. i use an exogenous androgen [test cyp], it raises test AND is suppressive. if natadrol is a exogenous androgen why wouldn't it raise test?
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thebigt said:
Resolve said:
Raising T is the opposite of suppression. Replacing T with an exogenous androgen is what causes suppression, and that's just what Natadrol does.

i don't understand what you are saying at all. i use an exogenous androgen [test cyp], it raises test AND is suppressive. if natadrol is a exogenous androgen why wouldn't it raise test?
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Your mixing two things here. - It may raise test, but not through natural means; only because you're injecting SYNTHETIC testosterone into your body. Synthetic testosterone is synthetic testosterone. Nandrolone is nandrolone. Tinospora Cordifolia is tinospora cordifolia. They're all exogenous, and none of them will raise your natural testosterone levels.

Is it just me, or is it blowing anyone elses mind that we're having to discuss this?
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Irish Cannon said:
thebigt said:
Your mixing two things here. - It may raise test, but not through natural means; only because you're injecting SYNTHETIC testosterone into your body. Synthetic testosterone is synthetic testosterone. Nandrolone is nandrolone. Tinospora Cordifolia is tinospora cordifolia. They're all exogenous, and none of them will raise your natural testosterone levels.

Is it just me, or is it blowing anyone elses mind that we're having to discuss this?
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Yeah i am kinda shocked this is really being discussed. The simple fact that injectable test may raise your test but it shuts down your natural production is something we should all understand for the most part.That is why your natural test production is gone or very low and that is why you need something to raise the test back up by natural means.
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hman85 said:
Yeah i am kinda shocked this is really being discussed. The simple fact that injectable test may raise your test but it shuts down your natural production is something we should all understand for the most part.That is why your natural test production is gone or very low and that is why you need something to raise the test back up by natural means.
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I mean, it's very simple. Testosterone injections will raise testosterone because you're injecting...TESTOSTERONE! It doesn't matter if it's synthetic or naturally produced, it's still testosterone, and will be reflected on a blood-test as such.
 
Irish Cannon said:
thebigt said:
Your mixing two things here. - It may raise test, but not through natural means; only because you're injecting SYNTHETIC testosterone into your body. Synthetic testosterone is synthetic testosterone. Nandrolone is nandrolone. Tinospora Cordifolia is tinospora cordifolia. They're all exogenous, and none of them will raise your natural testosterone levels.

Is it just me, or is it blowing anyone elses mind that we're having to discuss this?
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to hell if it's natural test or not-we were talking about raising test, period. geez! forget it!

lets just call me stupid and be done with it-hows that.
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LOL looks like youve all been having fun, what a crazy conversation.

Anyway, COBFAB can you post the paper with your results on please.... its the same as saying i gained 12lbs on a cycle of a new compound, no pics = bull, sorry but we need evidence, no matter how trustworthy your rep.

I have found a tester now, looks like eta of his pre bloods will be 4 weeks, and then i will use just 4 caps a day on him, he has agreed to run this and take bloods then after 2 weeks, as thundergod suggested, i will go back and get more bloods done from the tester 3 months after the official comparable results, how does that sound'??

The user has never done a cycle is 32 years of age, weight trains on a regular basis, doesnt smoke, and is considered healthy.

I cant wait to get the ball rolling, the results will be interesting for sure.

Take care guys, R.S
 
Craigmatthew said:
That's a fantastic log btw, was started over at bb.com then moved here, after the results he got, i actually now wish it was posted over there with the bloods etc as some of the folk over there are tough people to please.
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Don't you mean immpossible to please? BB.com= Wanka city mate.
 
Craigmatthew said:
Yeah can be that way sometimes...
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Yes BB.com can be a royal pain in the a$$ sometimes. However, BB.com is the big dog and is where a lot of the more knowledgeable people frequent (I pay attention to the articles and other information more than I do the forums because there are too many ignorant and immature jacka$$es to put up with over there, but of course I drop a response here and there when needed).

I am biased towards AM.com though because the environment is easier going and I feel I have more freedom over here. On BB.com I basically have a gag order like restriction on me since I am a rep for AN. If I wasn't...some people would get lit the F*ck up!!!! Then again...it is a waste of time to make an effort to rip people a new one on the internet because no matter what you can't fix stupid!

I try to be respectful most of the time, but sometimes some guys never know when enough is enough and get on my last damn nerve. Know what I mean?

Cheers!:cheers:
 
russianstar said:
LOL looks like youve all been having fun, what a crazy conversation.

Anyway, COBFAB can you post the paper with your results on please.... its the same as saying i gained 12lbs on a cycle of a new compound, no pics = bull, sorry but we need evidence, no matter how trustworthy your rep.

I have found a tester now, looks like eta of his pre bloods will be 4 weeks, and then i will use just 4 caps a day on him, he has agreed to run this and take bloods then after 2 weeks, as thundergod suggested, i will go back and get more bloods done from the tester 3 months after the official comparable results, how does that sound'??

The user has never done a cycle is 32 years of age, weight trains on a regular basis, doesnt smoke, and is considered healthy.

I cant wait to get the ball rolling, the results will be interesting for sure.

Take care guys, R.S
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russianstar said:
Thanks bro, and apolagies to co, great log, and the bloods posted up, they were about right for somone of your age, so im not sure exactly what it proves....
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Frankly, these little arguments are starting to piss me off. If you'd like me to start making call outs then I will. You've ran a **** ton of logs tracking progress and I haven't seen a damn picture since you signed up for AM. Frankly, I really don't give a $hit whether you post them up or not. I'll take your word because I don't really care. It's not like starting at a picture will make you say "ya, that's a 12lb gain" anyways.

And with the bloods, what the fck do you mean "not sure exactly what it proves." - Look at the fcking background. He had test levels that were about 400. AFTER Formadrol use his test levels were in the 700 range. Our tester was done 2 weeks in at 4 caps, and COBFAB had tests done 4 weeks in on 1 cap.

It proves a lot from what I can tell.

Fck I'm getting aggitated. I'm surrounded by so many people that claim to know about all of the science behind this $hit, and yet can't even think beyond a 6th grade critical level.

Where's the common sense?

When it comes to science, if you're looking for a reason to believe, you'll find it; if you're looking for a reason to disbelieve, you'll find that too.
 
Irish Cannon said:
Frankly, these little arguments are starting to piss me off. If you'd like me to start making call outs then I will. You've ran a **** ton of logs tracking progress and I haven't seen a damn picture since you signed up for AM. Frankly, I really don't give a $hit whether you post them up or not. I'll take your word because I don't really care. It's not like starting at a picture will make you say "ya, that's a 12lb gain" anyways.

And with the bloods, what the fck do you mean "not sure exactly what it proves." - Look at the fcking background. He had test levels that were about 400. AFTER Formadrol use his test levels were in the 700 range. Our tester was done 2 weeks in at 4 caps, and COBFAB had tests done 4 weeks in on 1 cap.

It proves a lot from what I can tell.

Fck I'm getting aggitated. I'm surrounded by so many people that claim to know about all of the science behind this $hit, and yet can't even think beyond a 6th grade critical level.

Where's the common sense?

When it comes to science, if you're looking for a reason to believe, you'll find it; if you're looking for a reason to disbelieve, you'll find that too.
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I agree, a bump from 400ng to 700ng is a solid increase...
 
Yo irish or lg reps, could you post the label for the new formadrol formula here. I just wanna make sure i buy the newer formula and not the old one?

please, thanks. And is it required to taper down on the formadrol after the trifecta stack???

thanks
 
shinivan said:
Yo irish or lg reps, could you post the label for the new formadrol formula here. I just wanna make sure i buy the newer formula and not the old one?

please, thanks. And is it required to taper down on the formadrol after the trifecta stack???

thanks
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we have the latest version on nutraplanet and it isn't necessary to taper down
 
I'm sorry if this has been posted but can someone post the exact ingredients of the 'new' formula? I have 1 bottle, sealed/unopened, with 1 set of ingredients (which I think is the old) and a bottle that came from my Trifecta that also has different ingredients?

LG, anyway for me to the 'new' if I send my bottle back?
 
SamBoz19 said:
Yes BB.com can be a royal pain in the a$$ sometimes. However, BB.com is the big dog and is where a lot of the more knowledgeable people frequent (I pay attention to the articles and other information more than I do the forums because there are too many ignorant and immature jacka$$es to put up with over there, but of course I drop a response here and there when needed).

I am biased towards AM.com though because the environment is easier going and I feel I have more freedom over here. On BB.com I basically have a gag order like restriction on me since I am a rep for AN. If I wasn't...some people would get lit the F*ck up!!!! Then again...it is a waste of time to make an effort to rip people a new one on the internet because no matter what you can't fix stupid!

I try to be respectful most of the time, but sometimes some guys never know when enough is enough and get on my last damn nerve. Know what I mean?

Cheers!:cheers:
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your spot on man!
 
FlexW99 said:
I'm sorry if this has been posted but can someone post the exact ingredients of the 'new' formula? I have 1 bottle, sealed/unopened, with 1 set of ingredients (which I think is the old) and a bottle that came from my Trifecta that also has different ingredients?

LG, anyway for me to the 'new' if I send my bottle back?
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honestly they aren't going to send you a new formulation for sending back the old if you have it.
 
FlexW99 said:
I'm sorry if this has been posted but can someone post the exact ingredients of the 'new' formula? I have 1 bottle, sealed/unopened, with 1 set of ingredients (which I think is the old) and a bottle that came from my Trifecta that also has different ingredients?

LG, anyway for me to the 'new' if I send my bottle back?
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U could maybe trade it with someone if u found someone who wanted an older verison :/
 
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