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[Aaelael]

hahah thunder!!! You crazy bastard!!! SHOWING NIPS AND SHIII hahah. . .KLEEN!!! KILL IT!!! unfortunately a lack of sleep and hard hittin will break ya down. . haha i was the victim of that but lil by lil we get betta and i know that by the end of the week i'll be 110% WOOOOO HOOOO!!!

 

[MrKleen73]

War was waged on the battlefield... lesser men still lie in pools of sweat and vomit… Yet the Iron Warrior has risen to the challenge once again and slain the iron set before him. Like a Gladiator faces the lion at Coliseum he bravely stepped up to the challenge with an utter disregard for anything but achieving his goal, VICTORY! The battle was not of survival nor fear, but one fought only for the sake of conquering and not conquering a weaker enemy, no this battle was to conquer himself.

NOW FOR SOME MOOD MUSIC

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This was an EPIC BATTLE TO THE FINISH!!!! I have not worked so hard in several years. The weight jumps were insane, considering I went up 20 lbs on the main lifts 15 on the next level and 10 more on the smallest of weights this was just EPIC, no other explanation would do it justice. I will detail it out for you as best I can. You should already know the format of how the workout is done by now if you do not, reread the thread or at least the first post that details my plan.

Weights were as listed and in this order, DB Squats 40, Incline Bench 40, Step ups 40, Wide Bent over DB Row 32.5, DB Romanian DL 35, Standing DB Shoulder Press 32.5, Lunges 22.5, DB Side Rows 22.5, Close Grip Pushups BW

Now as I said before the ones that are at 40 were 30 last week, the ones at 32.5 were 25, and the 22.5 were 17.5 that are some big jumps in weight when you add the dumbbells together so this thing was just insane. I had such a hard time finishing, and this tested both my metal and my resolve. It would have been easy to quit and I wanted to several times. My last set of step ups took me 2-3 minutes to complete. The second set of everything was just borderline abuse. Even with wraps today the weights were hard to hold. Will have to remedy that will discuss below. Back to the battle… I was huffing and puffing and feeling every single rep was getting harder by the beginning of the second loop, the squats were so hard the reps became deliberate instead of machine like from that point on I felt as I were fighting with a mortal wound, slowly bleeding out my life blood. Only sweat and determination was going to earn me a victory hear. I felt I would not be able conquer the enemy but when I looked at him and he looked back at me I saw resolve in those eyes and knew that strength to soldier on. Dripping from every part of my body, shirt soaked, sweat spraying of the tip of my nose as I gasp for air, my heaving breathe overpowering the even the powerful sounds of Slipknot screaming their primal motivation in my ears. I was a freight train coming through the station... Step away from the platform! This train has no stops, and is not picking up any passengers. This train is steam rolling to the end of the track! I find myself pausing for a couple seconds every 4rth or 5th rep on last set of Step Up, then every 2 or so, forcing out the last 4 in once insane effort just to get them done and over with. Then straight into another exercise WTF!!! As I said this was an EPIC battle, one I questioned myself a couple of times during. I know there is a reason we have to do 2 weeks at this level no way conditioning could catch up to this in just 3 workouts. By the end of 6 it should be rather tolerable, well compared to this one. Even my last set of bench had my arms shaking a little bit. Everything was war torn, and I came out VICTORIOUS!!!!!!


Side note on grip issue, I am thinking of maybe getting a resin bag and trying that to help grip because the wraps weren't as helpful being new, and heavy duty it was hard to wrap them on the dumbbells when changing weights.

Lol....

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ROFLMFAO! :laugh:

WTF!! hahahaha..we are a unique bunch here..im buying a case of stoked now!

Ruh Roh Raggy.

amidoinitrite?

LOL! I made myself laugh at that one...

WTF??!!! What happened to my cute little Asian chick? Let's see if I can find her again......

I think she was deleted because she showed a little nipple action!!

But I went and found 2 different Asian beauties for ya!!!

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Nice, where be all the thick legged ghetto booty Asians at?

hahah thunder!!! You crazy bastard!!! SHOWING NIPS AND SHIII hahah. . .KLEEN!!! KILL IT!!! unfortunately a lack of sleep and hard hittin will break ya down. . haha i was the victim of that but lil by lil we get betta and i know that by the end of the week i'll be 110% WOOOOO HOOOO!!!

Yeah you shall rise above Bro!

 

[Army Guy]

truly amazing work brother man!!! I bet you needed a team of towel boys to keep the pools of sweat at bay!!!

 

[MrBigPR]

Damn son! Epic workout.

Regarding grip I found liquid chalk is pretty awesome, should look into it.

 

[MrKleen73]

truly amazing work brother man!!! I bet you needed a team of towel boys to keep the pools of sweat at bay!!!

Man I sure could have used them I had no idea I was going to sweat that much. I may need to wear a long sleeve to start catching it more.

Damn son! Epic workout.

Regarding grip I found liquid chalk is pretty awesome, should look into it.

It was truly brutal today. So naturally I loved it! Will have to look at that liquid chalk for sure.

 

[MrKleen73]

Update to the update...

I figured I would share a little more, I was fixated on my battle and how glorious is was to have pushed myself like that and forgot to mention a few things.

Mood - Mood has improved recently, I am feeling more positive in general.

Libido - My libido is definitely up, I wasn't sure but even after the brutal workout this morning I looked at my wife and thought... Hmmmmm we are already sweaty... LOL

Aggression - I am surprised at how much aggression I have right now, both positive and somewhat territorial. IE... I am very aware of my personal space. I did not expect any increase in aggression as I felt like it was probably already higher from the test boosters prior. Well it is here and I am liking it.

Conditioning - My conditioning seems to improve with every workout. Yes this one was harder but it was a lot more intense too regarding the weight used.

Composition - I think I may be noticing a little bit of a leaning out effect. Muscles seem fuller probably from the workout intensifying last week bring back some LBM maybe. If not I assure you will see some return this week. I figure I will get down to 195 before I start tapering off for a true cut. I am treating this time as a recomp adn healing time.

Competition - I have chosen to wait until a fall show to compete. I don't want to rush my recovery just to keep a schedule. If by some strange chance I am close to ready a month out from July I may change my mind but in all honesty I expect to compete in the fall. I know I will hurt myself again if I try to go right into prep after recovering from these injuries.

Libido Check!
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[A_I_Sports_Nutrition]

Damn bro very impressive.

 

[VolcomX311]

Aggression - I am surprised at how much aggression I have right now, both positive and somewhat territorial. IE... I am very aware of my personal space. I did not expect any increase in aggression as I felt like it was probably already higher from the test boosters prior. Well it is here and I am liking it.

Nice description. I can relate to that. I haven't had aggression from a test booster in awhile. The last I can recall was from DTHC/Tsunami and I recall fantasizing about beating some guy with a 25lbs plate for doing unforgivably partial, partial reps. I'm innately really a peaceful,chill and clowny guy, but I recall clearly that 5 min spike where I had a strong desire to hurt by swinging around a 25lbs plate.

Nice updates :439:

 

[MrKleen73]

Damn bro very impressive.

The workout, the update or the hottie with the firm body?

Nice description. I can relate to that. I haven't had aggression from a test booster in awhile. The last I can recall was from DTHC/Tsunami and I recall fantasizing about beating some guy with a 25lbs plate for doing unforgivably partial, partial reps. I'm innately really a peaceful,chill and clowny guy, but I recall clearly that 5 min spike where I had a strong desire to hurt by swinging around a 25lbs plate.

Nice updates :439:

Thanks, yeah I can understand that. Of course you know who else does an azz load of partials, Ronnie Coleman. Seems the training vids I have seen with him he is always doing partials with HEAVY weight. Interesting thing my ortho told me they have found that scientifically speaking there is no benefit as far as added growth from moving through the full range of motion. He is a true sports medicine doc too. He told me I could build my muscles just as big and full not locking out and not bottoming out on lifts and save my joints a lot of trouble. I went out and read up a bit and he was right from what I can tell and the anecdotal evidence is there. Of course I know what you mean by partials, like only moving the bar 4 inches on bench and stuff. Ugh annoys me but I am going to incorporate some shorter ranges of motion in on some things when my leg starts getting better. As a matterv of act the tendon strengthening program I will be doing requires it a little bit so it works out well. Is the cert you have the one that also allows you to work with special needs people? I know one of them does but can't remember the name right now.

 

[DreamWeaver]

Nice description. I can relate to that. I haven't had aggression from a test booster in awhile. The last I can recall was from DTHC/Tsunami and I recall fantasizing about beating some guy with a 25lbs plate for doing unforgivably partial, partial reps. I'm innately really a peaceful,chill and clowny guy, but I recall clearly that 5 min spike where I had a strong desire to hurt by swinging around a 25lbs plate.

Nice updates :439:

I know that fugger!! He's got it coming to him!!

 

[MrKleen73]

I know that fugger!! He's got it coming to him!!

And has for a while, how the heck does he get around to all of our gyms? Must be some type of deuche bag transport system...

 

[Army Guy]

he was in Utah this morning!!!!!

 

[A_I_Sports_Nutrition]

The workout, the update or the hottie with the firm body?



Thanks, yeah I can understand that. Of course you know who else does an azz load of partials, Ronnie Coleman. Seems the training vids I have seen with him he is always doing partials with HEAVY weight. Interesting thing my ortho told me they have found that scientifically speaking there is no benefit as far as added growth from moving through the full range of motion. He is a true sports medicine doc too. He told me I could build my muscles just as big and full not locking out and not bottoming out on lifts and save my joints a lot of trouble. I went out and read up a bit and he was right from what I can tell and the anecdotal evidence is there. Of course I know what you mean by partials, like only moving the bar 4 inches on bench and stuff. Ugh annoys me but I am going to incorporate some shorter ranges of motion in on some things when my leg starts getting better. As a matterv of act the tendon strengthening program I will be doing requires it a little bit so it works out well. Is the cert you have the one that also allows you to work with special needs people? I know one of them does but can't remember the name right now.

All of the above but I am biased towards hottie pics.:439:

 

[MrKleen73]

Yesterday I ended up with about 2270 cals not as high as I wanted but still not bad. Today I will be over 2500 so it will average out. So far this is what today has looked like nutritionally.

Pre /Intra WO - 30 grams EAAs with extra leucine!!!

Post workout meal 6:30AM -
86 grams protein, 100 grams carbs, and 12 grams of fat, 45 minutes after ingesting that meal, I took a Motivate, and another 12 grams of fish and flax oil.
Para-workout nutrition totals,
Protein 116 grams 464 cals 41%
Carbs 112 grams, 448 Cals 39.7%
Fats 24 grams 216 cals 19.1%
Total Cals 1128

Second meal 9:45
Protein 70 grams 280 cals 37.6%
Carbs 69 grams 276 cals 37%
Fats 21 grams 189 cals 25%

Two meal totals
Protein 186 grams cals 740 39.7%
Carbs 182 grams cals 724 % 38.6%
Fats 45grams cals 405 21.6%
Total Cals 1873

 

[DreamWeaver]

The workout, the update or the hottie with the firm body?



Thanks, yeah I can understand that. Of course you know who else does an azz load of partials, Ronnie Coleman. Seems the training vids I have seen with him he is always doing partials with HEAVY weight. Interesting thing my ortho told me they have found that scientifically speaking there is no benefit as far as added growth from moving through the full range of motion. He is a true sports medicine doc too. He told me I could build my muscles just as big and full not locking out and not bottoming out on lifts and save my joints a lot of trouble. I went out and read up a bit and he was right from what I can tell and the anecdotal evidence is there. Of course I know what you mean by partials, like only moving the bar 4 inches on bench and stuff. Ugh annoys me but I am going to incorporate some shorter ranges of motion in on some things when my leg starts getting better. As a matterv of act the tendon strengthening program I will be doing requires it a little bit so it works out well. Is the cert you have the one that also allows you to work with special needs people? I know one of them does but can't remember the name right now.

I don't know why drug users benefit from these kinds of workouts, I just know the don't work well for natural athletes as we tend to get injured using sloppy form and how much growing are we doing then. Some partial movements to work, some don't and if your going to do them there is a proper way... for instance partial squats are done very, very wide with toes pointed outward to engage the quads earlier in the motion. Now this is going to do your quads nicely but you still have to go almost Paralell, it is not going to do a lot for your hamstrings. I personally get nothing out of partial deads (arms are too long). Partial bench is used to practice on the sticking point of your motion or to strengthen the triceps by using heavier weight than you could with a full bench, does nothing for your chest. Natural lifters need to be technicians or the shyte doesn't work...

 

[MrKleen73]

I don't know why drug users benefit from these kinds of workouts, I just know the don't work well for natural athletes as we tend to get injured using sloppy form and how much growing are we doing then. Some partial movements to work, some don't and if your going to do them there is a proper way... for instance partial squats are done very, very wide with toes pointed outward to engage the quads earlier in the motion. Now this is going to do your quads nicely but you still have to go almost Paralell, it is not going to do a lot for your hamstrings. I personally get nothing out of partial deads (arms are too long). Partial bench is used to practice on the sticking point of your motion or to strengthen the triceps by using heavier weight than you could with a full bench, does nothing for your chest. Natural lifters need to be technicians or the shyte doesn't work...

To the contrary, I have one of those guys in the gym at my gym. He is very methodical, uses pretty heavy weight and only does 2/3 of any range of motion. He basically cuts 1/6 of the range of motion off both the top and bottom of the movement. He is a natural competitor and this is always how he trains. He is older to like 53 and has a phenominal body, full muscle bellies. I used to look at him and wonder how he grew using partials. Doc explained to me that the muscle fiber either fires, or it doesnt, and that excess range of motion didn't effect how the muscle fibers fired that it had to do with what percent of the fibers are needed and there was no difference in muscular activation by going deeper. Said the only benefit of the exagerated range of motion was the added felxibility of the joints, but that same exagerrated motion does more damage to your joints and tendons than it does good for the flexibilty. I don't know, I will have to try it. Am I buying into it hook line and sinker, no but my ortho recommends I give it a shot while recovering once I am able to lift heavier. If I do that I would probably do 2 exercises per body part, one about 2/3rd range of motion and heavy then one not so heavy with an full and exagerated range of motion or alternate workouts doing one heavy partials and one lighter full range. I do like my joints to move and be lubed up. Yet I am not discounting this concept. I also think that anything that makes a roid user bigger will make us bigger too. Training wise that is. Muscle stimulation is muscle stimulation. I think if thisis done with strict form and power in mind it could be an added asset to training. If not I won't have lost anything.

 

[DreamWeaver]

To the contrary, I have one of those guys in the gym at my gym. He is very methodical, uses pretty heavy weight and only does 2/3 of any range of motion. He basically cuts 1/6 of the range of motion off both the top and bottom of the movement. He is a natural competitor and this is always how he trains. He is older to like 53 and has a phenominal body, full muscle bellies. I used to look at him and wonder how he grew using partials. Doc explained to me that the muscle fiber either fires, or it doesnt, and that excess range of motion didn't effect how the muscle fibers fired that it had to do with what percent of the fibers are needed and there was no difference in muscular activation by going deeper. Said the only benefit of the exagerated range of motion was the added felxibility of the joints, but that same exagerrated motion does more damage to your joints and tendons than it does good for the flexibilty. I don't know, I will have to try it. Am I buying into it hook line and sinker, no but my ortho recommends I give it a shot while recovering once I am able to lift heavier. If I do that I would probably do 2 exercises per body part, one about 2/3rd range of motion and heavy then one not so heavy with an full and exagerated range of motion or alternate workouts doing one heavy partials and one lighter full range. I do like my joints to move and be lubed up. Yet I am not discounting this concept. I also think that anything that makes a roid user bigger will make us bigger too. Training wise that is. Muscle stimulation is muscle stimulation. I think if thisis done with strict form and power in mind it could be an added asset to training. If not I won't have lost anything.

Well there is a difference between a controlled 2/3 motion and the sloppy form you see some drug users do. Were not talkng about the same thing, like I said some partials work for some people. The form still should be strict though. Look at the 100's of people you see doing sloppy form in the gym and look at how they never really change. If you can figure out a way to get a very good contraction out of a partial rep then of course it will work, if you can't then it won't. Natural you can't get away with sloppy not for long anyway, yah we get a little sloppy in isolated cases. I guess it's me that got things confused when I started talking about how sloppy some of the workouts are. It's really not related to partial reps directly.

Oh and there are exercises where a full range is in fact not as effective, most curls are better only done in the lower to mid range, the upper range is just rest and there is no contraction. It's not all black and white but each exercise needs to be examined for it's effectiveness.

The guys we are reffering to in the gym are mostly the guys who load up the bar and go less than half way down on bench press. There is no chest contraction in that motion, or next to none.

You know when a muscle is working and when it's not, so you can make this work for you.

 

[MrKleen73]

Agreed, one good thing is I will be albe to tell pretty quickly if I am getting a good contraction or not because I already know my body so well. My curls as you said are definitely better in that range.

You are right about the form in the gyms and the "macho" guys trying to LOOK strong instead of be strong... half reps, or my favorite, the 4 inch leg press with it loaded al the way up. LOL I completely feel you on that stuff. They are totally wasting time and breathing in oxygen I may need on my next real work set.

 

[DreamWeaver]

Agreed, one good thing is I will be albe to tell pretty quickly if I am getting a good contraction or not because I already know my body so well. My curls as you said are definitely better in that range.

You are right about the form in the gyms and the "macho" guys trying to LOOK strong instead of be strong... half reps, or my favorite, the 4 inch leg press with it loaded al the way up. LOL I completely feel you on that stuff. They are totally wasting time and breathing in oxygen I may need on my next real work set.

Yah just let the contraction show you...

 

[GoHardOrGoHme]

1) Epic freaking workout! You are killing the weights!! SUper intense, super brutal, totally warrior through and through. I will def take a note of this workout if i am ever in rehab mode.

2) I may look into running stoked solo after TNA to compare the two....ur review is quite positive and makes me want to give it a run.

3) Partials...when i first started benching my sophomore year of college i only hit partials due to previous shoulder injuries. I had spoken to a D.O. and he told me i could not go all the way down if i wanted to stay injury free...well he was wrong i got injured anyway(albeit it was with 435) so thats when i decided to start going full range. Now during this time i increased size, muscularity, and overall physique. Partials will help you get bigger...what it wont do is truly get you stronger. I see nothing wrong with partials for body building purposes but to be clear, its just goot for pumping and toning in times where u want to avoid injury when using moderate wight. Strength, in my limited opinion, comes with full range of motion. Doctors seem to swear by partials...elite class lifters swear by full range. Now partials have there place in powerlifing to get the body accustomed to supra maximal weight. This is a technique i employ frequently. I will hit my workout then load up the bar with 120-300% of my max and hit some partials. This is my way of ensuring i wont stay at a plateau for very long...or wont hit a platuea for awhile. But this is always after my main lift which is a full range of motion lift.


Just my .02 cents since his is actually something i have experience with and have based on opinion on that experience.

 

[FlexW99]

Good tips from the vets...for that, let me oblige!

 

[MrKleen73]

1) Epic freaking workout! You are killing the weights!! SUper intense, super brutal, totally warrior through and through. I will def take a note of this workout if i am ever in rehab mode.

2) I may look into running stoked solo after TNA to compare the two....ur review is quite positive and makes me want to give it a run.

3) Partials...when i first started benching my sophomore year of college i only hit partials due to previous shoulder injuries. I had spoken to a D.O. and he told me i could not go all the way down if i wanted to stay injury free...well he was wrong i got injured anyway(albeit it was with 435) so thats when i decided to start going full range. Now during this time i increased size, muscularity, and overall physique. Partials will help you get bigger...what it wont do is truly get you stronger. I see nothing wrong with partials for body building purposes but to be clear, its just goot for pumping and toning in times where u want to avoid injury when using moderate wight. Strength, in my limited opinion, comes with full range of motion. Doctors seem to swear by partials...elite class lifters swear by full range. Now partials have there place in powerlifing to get the body accustomed to supra maximal weight. This is a technique i employ frequently. I will hit my workout then load up the bar with 120-300% of my max and hit some partials. This is my way of ensuring i wont stay at a plateau for very long...or wont hit a platuea for awhile. But this is always after my main lift which is a full range of motion lift.


Just my .02 cents since his is actually something i have experience with and have based on opinion on that experience.

Definitely, and partials would never replace my full range of motion. However they will be a part of strengthening my tendons once healed. My thing to try though is as I am breaking back into the weights using partials first with heavier weights. When I go full on tendon strengthening program the heavy partials will actually be after the main moderate weight full range exercise as you explained.

I may not have too much to make up by the end of this program it is taxing the heck out my my legs. Although the tendon doesn't hurt too bad, only on occasion when I change directions to fast or the first couple reps of leg work.

 

[MrKleen73]

Good tips from the vets...for that, let me oblige!

SHAZAAM!!!!! That is what I am talking bout!

Golly Gee Wally, I think she's awefully close to the Beav!

I love that it is so "tongue in cheek".

"ROOBY DOOBY-DOO!!!!!!!"

 

[Liftergym33]

Post workout meal 6:30AM -
86 grams protein, 100 grams carbs, and 12 grams of fat, 45 minutes after ingesting that meal, I took a Motivate, and another 12 grams of fish and flax oil.

Kleen, can I ask why the protein count is so high? sometimes I think when I consume 50-60 im taking to much in..:dunno:

 

[Liftergym33]

Good tips from the vets...for that, let me oblige!

Damm!:439:

 

[SilentBob187]

This just had to be posted again.

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[Inarius]

Good tips from the vets...for that, let me oblige!

oh... uh.... wow.... yeah....... SHHAAA WINGGGGG

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[FlexW99]

This just had to be posted again.

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ROFL! :439:

 

[Lou villian]

Kleen,

Ive been a long time follwer of your logs man. You break things down so well its the reason i joined AM. Just thought i would tell you ive learned sooo much about diet from you its unreal. While i still dont have the perfect clean diet i have came along way from eating twice a day and that being junk. Thanks from behind the scenes!!

 

[thundergod]

WTF??!!! What happened to my cute little Asian chick? Let's see if I can find her again......

I think she was deleted because she showed a little nipple action!!

But I went and found a different Asian beauty for ya!!!

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Now then......check out the ass on this lass!!!

 

[A_I_Sports_Nutrition]

Now then......check out the ass on this lass!!!

Damn bro SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[MrKleen73]

Kleen, can I ask why the protein count is so high? sometimes I think when I consume 50-60 im taking to much in..:dunno:

Absolutely, I explained it here in the Nutrition Project Post. http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/145239-kleens-pumped-up-9.html#post2323094

Damm!:439:

Amen to that.

This just had to be posted again.

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Thank you Sir Much appreciated!

oh... uh.... wow.... yeah....... SHHAAA WINGGGGG

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Love that movie! Classic!

ROFL! :439:

Right...

Kleen,

Ive been a long time follwer of your logs man. You break things down so well its the reason i joined AM. Just thought i would tell you ive learned sooo much about diet from you its unreal. While i still dont have the perfect clean diet i have came along way from eating twice a day and that being junk. Thanks from behind the scenes!!

Awesome Brother glad you are around and following along. Feel free to jump in an comment or ask about anything.

Now then......check out the ass on this lass!!!

That is what I am talking about.

Damn bro SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Love me some thick legs and booty!

 

[Inarius]

Thread hijack

Make sure you guys sub my log! We're gonna kick this up a notch!
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/hijack...
you may now return to your regularly scheduled madness and mayhem

 

[suncloud]

with regards to the protein intake thing, it was my impression that 25-30g at a time was for "single sourced" protein, meaning if you're taking in 30g of eggs and 30g of whey the amount of protein you absorb is much higher than 30g, though not quite 60g.

 

[MrKleen73]

with regards to the protein intake thing, it was my impression that 25-30g at a time was for "single sourced" protein, meaning if you're taking in 30g of eggs and 30g of whey the amount of protein you absorb is much higher than 30g, though not quite 60g.

Here is one of the articles I was reading that inspired my new Nutrition Project. How much Protein can the body use in a single meal?

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[DreamWeaver]

Here is one of the articles I was reading that inspired my new Nutrition Project. How much Protein can the body use in a single meal?

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Now there's a article that makes a lot sense to me, especially about needing larger protein servings as you get older.

I have been a bit shy about my unconventional dieting habits of the past few years and now all my findings are starting to see press. I have been going less meals, less overall protein intake and getting better results and also enabling me to stay leaner. I thought it had more to do with my body type.

 

[MrKleen73]

Pretty nice little read there isn't it. So you see the reason for my little project. Which by the way seems to be working. My cardio has lagged a little since starting the new workout but I am getting a little leaner. That is the reason for the workout actually. The article was Get ripped without cardio. I will be doing my cardio-ish training tonight after work at Karate class. I don't see any reason to do cardio and the class on the same day. I am not a teenager anymore, don't get enough downtime for recovery from 2 a days while injured. Maybe when I am full on again but not now.

 

[DreamWeaver]

Pretty nice little read there isn't it. So you see the reason for my little project. Which by the way seems to be working. My cardio has lagged a little since starting the new workout but I am getting a little leaner. That is the reason for the workout actually. The article was Get ripped without cardio. I will be doing my cardio-ish training tonight after work at Karate class. I don't see any reason to do cardio and the class on the same day. I am not a teenager anymore, don't get enough downtime for recovery from 2 a days while injured. Maybe when I am full on again but not now.

Yah cardio is just the extra we do cuz we can't lift all the time. It helps burn a little extra fat. If you have a hard time burning fat then more cardio may be required, some don't need to do any at all.

 

[Army Guy]

Yah cardio is just the extra we do cuz we can't lift all the time. It helps burn a little extra fat. If you have a hard time burning fat then more cardio may be required, some don't need to do any at all.

wish I were one of them

 

[DreamWeaver]

wish I were one of them

Yah cardio is boring... watching porn helps...

 

[MrKleen73]

Yah cardio is just the extra we do cuz we can't lift all the time. It helps burn a little extra fat. If you have a hard time burning fat then more cardio may be required, some don't need to do any at all.

wish I were one of them

Yah cardio is boring... watching porn helps...

I am pretty sure with this workout if I just do 30 minutes 3 times a week I will strip of fat faster than an "exotic" dancer strips to her second song!

Oh yes another read you will find VERY interesting.

Nutrient timing... When science and marketing collide.
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[DreamWeaver]

I am pretty sure with this workout if I just do 30 minutes 3 times a week I will strip of fat faster than an "exotic" dancer strips to her second song!

Oh yes another read you will find VERY interesting.

Nutrient timing... When science and marketing collide.
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Yah I have gone to 4 meals a day for quite some time now. I just got fat eating the other way and I was hungry a lot and would give into cravings. I need to eat adequate amounts in 3 main meals plus a small evening meal. Waiting after your workout for 30-40 minutes before taking your shake is something I have always done as it's what my trainer used to tell me to do. I always thought it was to allow time for the pump to disipate to allow the blood easier access to the muscles.

 

[Army Guy]

agreed, after reading both it seems that conventional wisdom prevails. It also looks like Kleen has been following this for some time. It was like reading one of his initial log posts

 

[MrKleen73]

Thanks Man, I will take that as a compliment since he is a professional writer. I have had the inclination for a while, conversations with DW confirmed some of my findings and suspicions to the point that more research was needed. These are the best written articles on the subject I could find. Using both science and anecdotal info for real world application.

 

[A_I_Sports_Nutrition]

Yah cardio is boring... watching porn helps...

Damn I like it. Will have to run that one by the gym owner. Cardio is really bad watching soap opera's on all the TV's arggggg.

 

[MrKleen73]

Yah I have gone to 4 meals a day for quite some time now. I just got fat eating the other way and I was hungry a lot and would give into cravings. I need to eat adequate amounts in 3 main meals plus a small evening meal. Waiting after your workout for 30-40 minutes before taking your shake is something I have always done as it's what my trainer used to tell me to do. I always thought it was to allow time for the pump to disipate to allow the blood easier access to the muscles.

I do have to say that I am not used to eating this big of meals and my stomach is a little thicker but I look leaner, and vascularity is high. I love the idea of preloading the nutrients earlier in the day and just letting it slow trickle into the system as it digests. Finding the right timing for the meals is still tricky not always hungry for the second meal. I think training days I may have 5 meals on occasion. Right now I have been tallying up at the end of the day and then having some protein and healthy fats before bed if I need to make up some cals.

 

[MrKleen73]

Damn I like it. Will have to run that one by the gym owner. Cardio is really bad watching soap opera's on all the TV's arggggg.

If you can't get them to put on porn then have them put on Telemundo, they have the best eye candy if you aren't listening to it anyway. All the actresses must be hired on hotness factor... WOW

 

[DreamWeaver]

I do have to say that I am not used to eating this big of meals and my stomach is a little thicker but I look leaner, and vascularity is high. I love the idea of preloading the nutrients earlier in the day and just letting it slow trickle into the system as it digests. Finding the right timing for the meals is still tricky not always hungry for the second meal. I think training days I may have 5 meals on occasion. Right now I have been tallying up at the end of the day and then having some protein and healthy fats before bed if I need to make up some cals.

Yah this has always been my preferred way of eating, I always had a hard time with traditional bodybuilding eating.

 

[A_I_Sports_Nutrition]

If you can't get them to put on porn then have them put on Telemundo, they have the best eye candy if you aren't listening to it anyway. All the actresses must be hired on hotness factor... WOW

LOL that is true.

 

[MrKleen73]

Yeah and as much as i put into this if there is an easier yet just as effective way that is what I am doing. Same with my full body workouts. If I can do all of this in just 3 days and do moderate cardio the other 3 and be in top shape why would I want to do a split and two a day cardio. Of course the weight workouts are harder but the payback in free time far outweighs lifting with the extra intensity. Whatever the most efficient way is that is what I want to be doing.