tell your friend he'd get more gains from stopping drinking than from the pulse
Thanks for the analysis. I agree, I was starting to get shutdown. Not too terrible for running a full bottle of epi.you were definitely somewhat shutdown but the liver and cholesterol levels look great considering you ran a methylated steroid for 6 weeks.
while 180 is sub-normal, it's still quite high compared to 'complete' shutdown which can be 0-50. i would imagine it's much easier to go from 180 back to 400-600 than it is to go from 30. my experience with pulsing is i have a week or two of lowered libido during pct, then it bounces back usually accompanied by some acne.
it seems wise to run a real PCT after a pulse however. the main benefits IMO are slower but more keepable gains, and a reduction in sides.
3-4 pounds and 20 + lbs on all lifts? I call that a successful pulse cycle bro.Thanks for the analysis. I agree, I was starting to get shutdown. Not too terrible for running a full bottle of epi.
I'm going to go back in for bloodwork now that I'm through a simple PCT just to re-baseline. I feel like I'm back, though it took about a month and lost some gains in strength and size. Still up, but not great. Kept about 3-4lbs in weight and about 20lbs+ on all lifts. Just goes to show PCT is how you keep gains, hard to maintain anything on low test levels...
I think a traditional PCT would've been better for maintaining gains, would've known better but bloodwork took forever to get back over the holidays.
Try both ways bro and see what you like better, either way would be fine.quick question guys: if you wanna dose 20mg of SD on a day of pulsing, do you think its best to split it 10mg either side or all 20mg pre?
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Do you mean 6 weeks at 3 days a week pulsing? If so yeah you probably won't need a serm at all, but having one on hand is always advised.I have ran super 4 days a week for 6 and didn't need a serm but we are all different and I would use health and caution as first your judgment basis.imoJust started my EPIDROL pulse 3 days a week and 2 weeks of however im enjoying it and wondering if i could just do a straight 6 week 3 days a week without serm? I dont fancy having to locate a serm before anyone asks.
Pre or one before and one after. I always liked the pre and post dosing personally.quick question guys: if you wanna dose 20mg of SD on a day of pulsing, do you think its best to split it 10mg either side or all 20mg pre?
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This is how I'm currently running my Mdrol Pulsequick question guys: if you wanna dose 20mg of SD on a day of pulsing, do you think its best to split it 10mg either side or all 20mg pre?
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Phera isn't ideal for pulsing. You want compounds that kick in rapidly and half short half-lives. Superdrol and Epi are your best bets for pulsing. For post cycle, I always go w/ a SERM, just to be safe. Not all guys do, but I don't want to take chances.I'm wanting to do a pulse soon. I will be using havoc for 6 weeks. How's phera for pulsing? And for pct I'm assuming that an AI and test booster will suffice (topical formestane, dthc, prime?)
Gotcha man. Thanks.Phera isn't ideal for pulsing. You want compounds that kick in rapidly and half short half-lives. Superdrol and Epi are your best bets for pulsing. For post cycle, I always go w/ a SERM, just to be safe. Not all guys do, but I don't want to take chances.
That sounds about right. Maybe slightly higher w/ the sd since it's only dosed 3X a week.Gotcha man. Thanks.
How's this for a dosing protocol
havoc 3x a week at 30/40/40/50/50/40
sd at 10/20/20/30/30/20
Wait are you stacking them??? And are you pulsing the sd or running it ED. You didn't make it clear.Gotcha man. Thanks.
How's this for a dosing protocol
havoc 3x a week at 30/40/40/50/50/40
sd at 10/20/20/30/30/20
He said 3x every week for the Epi, but nothing for the Mdrol. Just wondering if he is running it ED or EOD.I was assuming he was pulsing since the question was posed in this thread. Tapering isn't necessary in my opinion.
Guy made a thread and been floatin around the forum. He ran 40mg for 6 weeks and destroyed his pecs cuz he added 100lbs to it. He said "livers are for quiters":dunno:Well, if we were to assume anyone would run a 6 week straight cycle of SD. I doubt anyone would dare try that. If they did, God help them.
Well obviously he isn't a "quiter":squint:LOL. I wonder what kinda shaper his liver and lipids were in afterward. Or if he ever fully recovered HPTA. Craziness!
Pulse everything. No taper.He said 3x every week for the Epi, but nothing for the Mdrol. Just wondering if he is running it ED or EOD.
And the tapering IMO is pointless.
Then you're good to go bro. Let us know how the pulse pans out for ya.Pulse everything. No taper.
SD doesn't aromatize.So what does everyone recommend as the best ai available right now? 6 bromo, and sustain alpha. But i cant find 6 bromo anymore. Just started my superdrol pulse and have everything on hand including my serm. But want a good ai also.
I know that, but its been known to cause gyno. I would rather not take a chance.SD doesn't aromatize.
Dr. D actually has a theory about the SD "delayed gyno" issue some guys experienced. He thought it might be due to using nolva for PCT and that toremifene was a much safer, more effective choice. I always use toremifene for PCT these days. It's worked very well for me. I haven't heard about many ppl getting gyno on cycle w/ SD, but rather after PCT.I know that, but its been known to cause gyno. I would rather not take a chance.
No. Save those for your non-pulse days. The days you don't take your gear.I have clomed on hand, but I wanted something otc also. I'll see if i can find some torm. Thanks for your help. I seem to be sensitive to gyno, and low libido. Probably from my younger and dumber days. Trying to fix that now, thats the reason for the pulse instead of straight cycles. Im currently taking t911 on my off days, along with testopro. Should i not use this on my pulse days?
Ok will do. Now is t911 sufficient? Or is there a stronger ai I should use?No. Save those for your non-pulse days. The days you don't take your gear.
6 weeks straight = insaneWell, if we were to assume anyone would run a 6 week straight cycle of SD. I doubt anyone would dare try that. If they did, God help them.
Take the larger dose preworkout.havoc pulse: all pre-workout or 50/50 before/after workout, any benefits from taking it after workout?
I know that, but its been known to cause gyno. I would rather not take a chance.
I would assume that this is why a tapered PCT is essential and why ATD was originally paired with SD by Designer Supps. ie the 3,2,2,1, + possibly eod 1 to avoid this issueDr. D actually has a theory about the SD "delayed gyno" issue some guys experienced. He thought it might be due to using nolva for PCT and that toremifene was a much safer, more effective choice. I always use toremifene for PCT these days. It's worked very well for me. I haven't heard about many ppl getting gyno on cycle w/ SD, but rather after PCT.
You mean a total of 50, not 100 mg. of Havoc on your on days, right?havoc pulse: all pre-workout or 50/50 before/after workout, any benefits from taking it after workout?
:goodpost:You got it. That's exactly the way that ATD should be used. Tapered off.I would assume that this is why a tapered PCT is essential and why ATD was originally paired with SD by Designer Supps. ie the 3,2,2,1, + possibly eod 1 to avoid this issue
That's what I thought when I first glanced at that. ha haYou mean a total of 50, not 100 mg. of Havoc on your on days, right?
nono, I mean 50/50 as in percent. Iam on 40mg on my on days and have taken 20mg pre, then 20mg post so far. I've read its best to take the larger dose pre-workout (might try 30mg pre, then 10mg post). But what if taken the whole dose pre-workout, it would still be enough in the system to help muscle-growth after the workout? This would lead to only 1 dosage on the ON-days, and minimize shutdown even more? Or does the dosage pre-workout have good benefits?You mean a total of 50, not 100 mg. of Havoc on your on days, right?
nono, I mean 50/50 as in percent. Iam on 40mg on my on days and have taken 20mg pre, then 20mg post so far. I've read its best to take the larger dose pre-workout (might try 30mg pre, then 10mg post). But what if taken the whole dose pre-workout, it would still be enough in the system to help muscle-growth after the workout? This would lead to only 1 dosage on the ON-days, and minimize shutdown even more? Or does the dosage pre-workout have good benefits?
I posted my bloods, T was down to 181 ng/dl (should be ~400-600) after 6 weeks pulsing 3x a week first thing in the morning. HDL was low (26, should be above 40) and LDL was high for me (105), everything else was okay. Ran ATD and then switched to 6-bromo during on off days, and that didn't seem to help with T levels; no T "bounce" for me as described in this thread.Well from some results I have seen pulsing will shut you down but not as much, the sides are less, a lot of the gains are kept...someone posted bloodwork here a while ago