Slim Xtreme DISCONTINUED!

[wolverine1971]

Wow, i was expecting somthing a bit more stern coming from you when he questioned your ability to understand search functions... You must be getting soft in your old age

I just apologized for questioning him - I need to step away from the post and let go of my anger for awhile. It's not like me to get nasty with people. No intent meant towards him, just mad in general because I let all this go and these possible new results of the mystery compound just resurfaced a lot of crap that happened to me.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

You're right - I don't understand how it all works which is why there are multiple efforts to get this info on several boards (I'll admit the Google algorithms are far too complicated for me to understand completely but as an owner of 5 websites that are SEO configured I know enough). The information here is already going viral with my own posts being copied (not even by me) to BB.com and other forums so the searches will show up eventually, somewhere, somehow - not for everyone but enough to help guide people to somewhere that might help them.

sorry if I assumed you didn't know anything about this - but I do know enough to get the job done.

SEO isn't a configuration...its more an art. And there are a LOT of bad artists out there. Scam "artists".

 

[Jayhawkk]

*Google's SEO*

 

[1meand]

I have been away from the boards for a little while and when I come back I see this. I tried SX about a month ago. After taking it for 4 days I was crapping blood. That worried me a little bit so I stopped for the weekend and the days I wasn't taking it I had nasty headaches. 2 Alieve and 4 Tylonels didn't help. By the end of the weekend I wasn't bleeding anymore, so I tried 1 a day for two days and it started again. That was the last time I took AX, then for a couple days I had to deal with the headaches. I just thought it was me until I read this thread. Now I want to find out what is in this stuff.

 

[Jayhawkk]

Ahh, okay I get it.

 

[Iron Lungz]

I have been away from the boards for a little while and when I come back I see this. I tried SX about a month ago. After taking it for 4 days I was crapping blood. That worried me a little bit so I stopped for the weekend and the days I wasn't taking it I had nasty headaches. 2 Alieve and 4 Tylonels didn't help. By the end of the weekend I wasn't bleeding anymore, so I tried 1 a day for two days and it started again. That was the last time I took AX, then for a couple days I had to deal with the headaches. I just thought it was me until I read this thread. Now I want to find out what is in this stuff.

Here again, you had problems, ceased use, only to re-start again? :think:
If you were crapping blood, isn't that enough to say, "Hey, this sh*t isn't for me!" (Pun intended)

 

[Jayhawkk]

... ****ting blood after 2 doses? A couple of questions come to mind when I read that and then see a follow up of

By the end of the weekend I wasn't bleeding anymore, so I tried 1 a day for two days and it started again.

1. Have you had an issue with blood in your stool in the past?
If yes go to 2. If no go to 3

2. Could this be cause of it happening again?

3. WHY THE HELL DIDN'T YOU GO TO THE DOCTOR THE FIRST TIME???

4. Regardless of previous answers, why the hell did you restart it just because the bleeding stopped?

 

[DAdams91982]

... ****ting blood after 2 doses? A couple of questions come to mind when I read that and then see a follow up of

1. Have you had an issue with blood in your stool in the past?
If yes go to 2. If no go to 3

2. Could this be cause of it happening again?

3. WHY THE HELL DIDN'T YOU GO TO THE DOCTOR THE FIRST TIME???

4. Regardless of previous answers, why the hell did you restart it just because the bleeding stopped?

Because the migraines weren't enough to warrant cessation!

 

[Jayhawkk]

I swear to God it's getting to the point that i'm starting to believe no matter what's in a product we're going to be stuck with having to make signs like this...
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[Steveoph]

Blood is just bad news. Are you sure it was in the stool and not the urine though?

 

[DAdams91982]

Blood is just bad news. Are you sure it was in the stool and not the urine though?

???

Okay... now I really hope someone can decipher from if it was from their urine or stool!

 

[hardknock]

small chance of what?

Hydroxycut had disclaimers on their products and it's not getting them off the hook for damages right now.

I'm not going to waste my time taking something like this to a trial court. I've got better things to do. If it comes back that they included a harmful substance then there will be 1000 people that will want to add their name to a class action lawsuit and there are probably some people out there that need the money that will take the time to get it going. I don't need the money.

I don't need to clam up about anything - it's all been disclosed in a very in depth FDA report 6 weeks ago. I have nothing to hide.

I guess some of you are still under the impression that they just pulled this off on a whim? AX is taking heat that they have not disclosed to anyone.

Guy? Do you understand that you are not supposed to go around airing out specifics about your case, or have you one yet?

Most, if not all, lawyers would slap you silly by now for the way you are carrying on posting threats of how you are going to 'get even'.

They may have wronged you and 10,000 others but, you and whomever else that may feel as you do really need to keep the case to yourselves and wait this thing out.

You wouldn't want to chance anything at this point.

 

[nevergoodenough]

Quotes from blue light in regards to the testing of Slim Xtreme:

"Originally Posted by mad_scientist
Well in a surprising show of ethics they do list the ingredients including

"Proline Analog [Phenyl-pyrrolidinyltoluene]"

which I think can safely be assumed to be 2-[1-phenyl-1-(4-methylphenyl)]pyrrolidine which would indeed be a novel analogue (or at least I've never heard of it before)

vecktor:
no the mass spectrum presented is wrong for that,the 4-methyldiphenylmethane fragment would be 14 AMU heavier, it is 2-(1,1,-diphenylmethyl )-Pyrrollidine with a bit of deliberate misnaming on behalf of the vendor."

"I was thinking DPMP (i.e. 2-diphenylmethylpiperidine) as soon as reading the symptoms you described, so the slightly more obscure diphenylmethylpyrrolidine makes perfect sense. We never tested this one but it is certainly available, just figured it would be like DPMP but not so good, sounds like the duration may be a bit shorter though which would be a plus.

DPMP doesn't spoil your appetite that much usually so there is probably something else in there producing the anorectic effect, or DPMPy is a stronger anorectic, or bodybuilders expecting anorectic effects feel the effects they expect...who knows.

Also while it may not be the case this time, designer analogues of modafinil are something I've been expecting to turn up for some time..."

"So the GC indicates something with a higher melting point/boiling point than caffeine, assuming it's caffeine anhydrous whose MP is 228°C. The retention time is about 7% greater than caffeine, so if you're scaling linearly (not really great science) that puts our compound at around 245°C for the melting point, which is slightly lower than that of the hydrochloric salt of desoxypipradrol (2-(diphenylmethyl)piperidine; ~250°C). So mostly guessing here from the trace vecktor is correct and the compound is 2-(diphenylmethyl)pyrollidine, and from the AUC it's in comparatively larger amounts to caffeine. I'm guessing it's not nearly as potent as desoxypipradrol."

"diphenylmethyl pyrrolidine is the pyrrolidine analog of desoxypiradrol. and if it is anything like desoxypipradrol it is a very long lasting stimulant.

it is used industrially for resolving chiral things, CAS 119237-64-8 it has other names such as diphenyl-2-pyrrolidinyl-methane

the related diphenyl-2-pyrrolidinyl-methanol has been associated with cardiovascular toxicity, it differs by an OH group"

"^ the substance was identified from a posted Mass spectrum. that mass spectrum shows the molecule contains the diphenyl methyl group also known as the benzhydryl group there is no doubt about that. diagnostic ions are M/z 70 for substituted pyrroles C4H8N+ and 165 for diphenyl methane C13H9+

So if the mass spectrum posted here was obtained from GC-MS of a genuine sample, then Slim xtreme contains either 2-(diphenylmethyl) pyrrolidine or 3-diphenylmethyl pyrollidine.

case closed. no further debate required."

So from the information that I have gathered on the proline analog (phenyl-pyrrolidinyltoluene) it is not the Diphenylprolinol (D2PM), aka diphenyl-2-pyrrolidinyl-methanol which is cardiotoxic unlike the other chemical analogs.

Thanks! Much appreciated, now how can we quantify or test the damage or weakness that has been done to our hearts?

 

[wolverine1971]

Guy? Do you understand that you are not supposed to go around airing out specifics about your case, or have you one yet?

Most, if not all, lawyers would slap you silly by now for the way you are carrying on posting threats of how you are going to 'get even'.

They may have wronged you and 10,000 others but, you and whomever else that may feel as you do really need to keep the case to yourselves and wait this thing out.

You wouldn't want to chance anything at this point.

You are right about posting specifics but as I mentioned in an earlier post this isn't about a lawsuit right now -it's just creating awareness on the web. Go back and read some earlier posts about the search engines and you'll understand what I mean.

Never posted a threat about getting even. Holding a company accountable for their actions is not about "getting even"

The FDA has all of the "specifics". They can take it from here. As I mentioned, I'm not looking to make any money. Just to hold someone accountable. Which will end up being done my multiple parties if this mystery substance is what people are claiming.

 

[wolverine1971]

Thanks! Much appreciated, now how can we quantify or test the damage or weakness that has been done to our hearts?

I spoke with a doctor yesterday about this and they said that there are specific tests that a cardiologist would run. The damage would probably not manifest itself until down the road so without testing you won't even know about it until someday down the road when it starts affecting you more.

If the compound is cardio toxic then I'll probably get as much testing done as I can (whatever insurance will cover) just to make sure I don't have anything I need to look out for in the future.

 

[1meand]

... ****ting blood after 2 doses? A couple of questions come to mind when I read that and then see a follow up of

1. Have you had an issue with blood in your stool in the past?
If yes go to 2. If no go to 3

2. Could this be cause of it happening again?

3. WHY THE HELL DIDN'T YOU GO TO THE DOCTOR THE FIRST TIME???

4. Regardless of previous answers, why the hell did you restart it just because the bleeding stopped?

1. About three months ago I had a hard stool and it bled that one time. The next day it was fine.

2. I thought maybe it had something to do with that at first, but this time it was bright red.

3. I don't want any doctor poking or messing around my @ss. Call me a homophobe.

4. I wanted to see if the SX was causing the bleeding or if it was the VAT Attack that I was also taking. I was also trying to see which one was causing the headaches.

 

[1meand]

Blood is just bad news. Are you sure it was in the stool and not the urine though?

It wasn't in the stool, it was coming out of my @ss.

 

[DAdams91982]

It wasn't in the stool, it was coming out of my @ss.

Oh wow... you may wish to get a camera shoved up your pooper... check for polyps and the like. Even with the possibility it was something attributed from SX, you will want to get that scoped out to avoid a possible life threatening cancer or something of the sort.

 

[hardknock]

hmm ya SX was spiked.....

*look we buy these products not for their ingrediants but for their effects right? SX worked. thats all that mattered same ppl saying ahh it was spiked with a designer etc etc are same ppl who use AAS so dont give me that BS like u care what ur puttin in ur body. results matter AX brought the results. i here by salute AX."

u guys had a great run and i love HDX2

Slap yourself with to death.

 

[1meand]

Oh wow... you may wish to get a camera shoved up your pooper... check for polyps and the like. Even with the possibility it was something attributed from SX, you will want to get that scoped out to avoid a possible life threatening cancer or something of the sort.

It hasn't happened since I stopped the SX.

 

[nevergoodenough]

So is 2-(diphenylmethyl) pyrrolidine something that would turn up on a drug screen?

 

[ottonis]

hard stool = pressure on anal/rectal venous plexus = bleeding when pressure gets too high

In layman's terms: Your chances to have hemorrhoids are at 99%.

1. About three months ago I had a hard stool and it bled that one time. The next day it was fine.

2. I thought maybe it had something to do with that at first, but this time it was bright red.

3. I don't want any doctor poking or messing around my @ss. Call me a homophobe.

4. I wanted to see if the SX was causing the bleeding or if it was the VAT Attack that I was also taking. I was also trying to see which one was causing the headaches.

 

[Jasen]

MANY thanx DAVE nice to see some maturity around here

 

[freezito]

Why would u think it's the vat attack

 

[Dwight Schrute]

*Google's SEO*

I don't think people (and a LOT of companies here) quite understand the volume of readers this site gets. As of now members make up about 10% of the traffic.

 

[Zero V]

1. About three months ago I had a hard stool and it bled that one time. The next day it was fine.

2. I thought maybe it had something to do with that at first, but this time it was bright red.

3. I don't want any doctor poking or messing around my @ss. Call me a homophobe.

4. I wanted to see if the SX was causing the bleeding or if it was the VAT Attack that I was also taking. I was also trying to see which one was causing the headaches.

You sound like you shouldn't touch stims/burners at all bro. Do you have a sensitive stomach?I am with them, go get a camera snake in your butt. Screw being a homophobe, let the doctors check on you. Its not gay unless the doctor winks at you.

 

[Jasen]

You obviously missed everything here. Where do you see me stating that while I took it I didn't like it and kept on taking it anyways??? You're mistaking me for someone else so your reply makes no sense.

I was losing weight, felt great. Mania is when you feel so high everything seems great. How would someone think that was bad if they were never manic before? There was no way for my wife to recognize I was going manic because I just kept telling people how high I felt all the time and everything seemed great.

It was when I stopped taking it that I had major withdrawal. Amphetamine Psychosis as the doctors called it. So I took it, felt fine but was actually going manic and actual would have needed professional help to needed ween me off this gradually to prevent me from going into psychosis.

You need to understand I got blindsided by this. Let's not be stupid, if I didn't like what something was doing of course I would quit. That's the danger of this supplement - it's when I quit that the real hell started.

When I was in the emergency room they pulled the product up on the internet so they could read the ingredients. Don't you think it's a bit irresponsible that they couldn't really diagnose what was going on because the ingredient was listed as Amino-Slim 4 and not what it really was? That's why they had to keep me under observation for so long. I was in the E.R. for 12 hours.

AHHHHH MANY SORRY
i could have missed readin thast part
how u feeling now dude

 

[DreamWeaver]

I am not suprised at all, not saying anyone did something wrong specifically because I don't know the whole truth and I a vague understanding of the compound in question. More ond more stim products are resembling the drugs I used to buy on the streets in the seventies. 1 slim extreme was stronger than a yellow jacket (mothers little helpers), the feeling was very similar .. almost identical. I knew I was on some kind of speed from the get go but I thought it must be some version that somebody found a loophole for. I finished the bottle but treated the drug with respect.

What did everyone think they were taking .. it was obviously a strong anphetamine. As to harmfull well yah all are at some level especially if abused. We don't know that this product was harmfull till we know all the facts. Yah I guess I will be pretty miffed if there is something more harmfull than your average speed pill in it, but I wasn't kidding myself, I knew what I was doing. I was not planning on buying the product again, one bottle was enough.

Speed is speed whether it be ephedrine, caffine, meth... some are just stronger than others.

 

[DAdams91982]

Speed is speed whether it be ephedrine, caffine, meth... some are just stronger than others.

This statement is completely untrue. One speed utilizes different pathways than another.

 

[Zero V]

This statement is completely untrue. One speed utilizes different pathways than another.

Could you give a mini breakdown? I find pathways and receptors interesting. Or gimme a link to stuff to read.

I love caffiene, never touched ephedrine yet, and never touched speed speed(as in the drug)

 

[AlexParty]

I do research everything before I use it and have used pretty much everything on the bottle prior except for "Amino Slim 4". That's good that you were able to read that prior to taking it but I got it the week it was released to market in mid March.

And how is someone supposed to research "Amino Slim 4"? I've taken those 4 amino acids before without any ill effects. I didn't know it was a chemically engineered concoction and not just 4 aminos separatley thrown in there. What a waste going to all those doctors showing them the ingredients because WTF is Amino Slim 4. Oh yeah, you're waiting on a patent so it's o.k. to screw with peoples health?

Hey Anabolic Xtreme do you want to pay the nearly $1,000 in copays that I racked up with doctors, a marriage counselor, therapy, and psychiatry over the last 4 months??? how about the 2 weeks of work that I missed because I was recovering from be mentally messed up??? And refund me for the 2 bottles of Slim Xtreme that I purchased. What about the humiliation of being taken out of my house by 3 police officers as my children watched???

I suggest you have someone contact me to reimburse me because I am going to go all in on this one if I'm not. And by "all in" I mean I will find the best personal injury lawyer in the country if I have to and pursue this to the end. I'm not asking for much here. I shouldn't have to take the loss for all those stupid copay's and missing work, and wasting my time with doctors trying to figure out what chemical I took that f-ed me up when we couldn't because you guys are waiting on a patent.

And just in case anyone here thinks I'm just coming out with this out of the blue you can read about the whole experience when I posted it in the AX Forum here back in May. Oh wait, they took it down for some reason...

Feel free to have your lawyer PM me.

Hey Wolverine,

Now I'm not taking sides here and don't take any of this personally but I have to say if you bring this to court I don't think you will win. I am independent here, not affiliated with AX, but I know enough to look over your claim and find it inconclusive and here are the reasons why.

Now all my point are logical. You claim that because of SX you become 'psychosis'. Psychosis is a mental disorder. You could have a history of this kind of behavior, I don't know for certain because I don't know you nor am I a psychologist. Just because your doctor didn't know enough about a certain substance found in SX doesn't mean you can link it to the cause. In court you would need hard evidence and fact backed up with documents to prove that the substance in SX was indeed the cause. If you don't the whole lawsuit it useless. I have taken SX along with thousands of others and this is the first time I hear of this sort of behavior as a result of SX. Mental disorders requires psychological treatment. If you went berserk that is because 'you' let that happen to yourself. It's called the power of the mind and you can have full control of your actions if you choose to. Many can take a testosterone enhancer and go to the gym without kicking the crap out of anyone, that is because they are 'aware' of their current state. It's all in the control of the user. If he flips out he didn't control himself. Yes products do indeed have those kind of effects but now we're heading to extremes but you get my point right? If I were to throw gasoline in a campfire it's to keep it burning, maybe increase the size of it, but I wont throw gasoline in a fire that is out of control and dangerous, that's just stupid.

Again if you have a history of this kind of behavior only a psychiatrist can figure that out along with psychological studies, you would need that done first before even thinking about court. When I drink alcohol, sure I feel like starting fights because I am drunk, but I choose to control myself and never do. If you couldn't control yourself while on a stim maybe the problem was you. I say this because I really don't see how SX could have caused this behavior and the court will just throw out the case and you would have wasted a lot of money in court fees along with a counter-suit from AX for various reasons.

I am sorry that your wife and kids had to deal with this, I am very sympathetic to your situation. The best thing to do is ignore it, never buy these kinds of products again if you feel that it did in fact cause you to lose control. Over a 39.99 dollar bottle, I don't think all this is worth it. You'll have spent more time and money to ultimately lose in the end because you don't have concrete evidence.

What I do suggest is to speak to a lawyer first. Also wait for the results of why is it off the market, what substance provoked that. Then you can take it from there. Just speaking from experience bro.

Good luck

Your friend AlexParty

 

[1meand]

You sound like you shouldn't touch stims/burners at all bro. Do you have a sensitive stomach?I am with them, go get a camera snake in your butt. Screw being a homophobe, let the doctors check on you. Its not gay unless the doctor winks at you.

The only Stims/burners that have bothered me were Recreate and SX. Recreate gave me retinal migranes.
Its not gay unless the doctor winks at you. Or he has both his hands on your shoulders and you still feel the probe. Haha.

 

[AlexParty]

The only Stims/burners that have bothered me were Recreate and SX. Recreate gave me retinal migranes.
Its not gay unless the doctor winks at you. Or he has both his hands on your shoulders and you still feel the probe. Haha.

Did you ever have aching nuts?

 

[wolverine1971]

Hey Wolverine,

Now I'm not taking sides here and don't take any of this personally but I have to say if you bring this to court I don't think you will win. I am independent here, not affiliated with AX, but I know enough to look over your claim and find it inconclusive and here are the reasons why.

Now all my point are logical. You claim that because of SX you become 'psychosis'. Psychosis is a mental disorder. You could have a history of this kind of behavior, I don't know for certain because I don't know you nor am I a psychologist. Just because your doctor didn't know enough about a certain substance found in SX doesn't mean you can link it to the cause. In court you would need hard evidence and fact backed up with documents to prove that the substance in SX was indeed the cause. If you don't the whole lawsuit it useless. I have taken SX along with thousands of others and this is the first time I hear of this sort of behavior as a result of SX. Mental disorders requires psychological treatment. If you went berserk that is because 'you' let that happen to yourself. It's called the power of the mind and you can have full control of your actions if you choose to. Many can take a testosterone enhancer and go to the gym without kicking the crap out of anyone, that is because they are 'aware' of their current state. It's all in the control of the user. If he flips out he didn't control himself. Yes products do indeed have those kind of effects but now we're heading to extremes but you get my point right? If I were to throw gasoline in a campfire it's to keep it burning, maybe increase the size of it, but I wont throw gasoline in a fire that is out of control and dangerous, that's just stupid.

Again if you have a history of this kind of behavior only a psychiatrist can figure that out along with psychological studies, you would need that done first before even thinking about court. When I drink alcohol, sure I feel like starting fights because I am drunk, but I choose to control myself and never do. If you couldn't control yourself while on a stim maybe the problem was you. I say this because I really don't see how SX could have caused this behavior and the court will just throw out the case and you would have wasted a lot of money in court fees along with a counter-suit from AX for various reasons.

I am sorry that your wife and kids had to deal with this, I am very sympathetic to your situation. The best thing to do is ignore it, never buy these kinds of products again if you feel that it did in fact cause you to lose control. Over a 39.99 dollar bottle, I don't think all this is worth it. You'll have spent more time and money to ultimately lose in the end because you don't have concrete evidence.

What I do suggest is to speak to a lawyer first. Also wait for the results of why is it off the market, what substance provoked that. Then you can take it from there. Just speaking from experience bro.

Good luck

Your friend AlexParty

You missed a lot of what I have posted. first of all I didn't go berserk and do things like starting fights. I was full on hallucinating and extreme paranoia. You don't know what psychosis is - it isn't about going psychotic and harming people but that can happen if someone doesn't control their actions. You need to actually do some research on psychosis before trying to explain about someones actions. If I broke the law or did something stupid sure I would have been held responsible. But I didn't break any laws or do anything to anyone. Psychosis is an extremely dangerous thing for someone to experience because of the extreme hallucinating- it isn't what their actions are doing.

You mentioned that "psychosis" is a mental disorder which is true. but there is "amphetamine induced psychosis" - that is not a mental disorder but a reaction caused by a drug. look it up - it's real and people with no history of psychosis can get it as a reaction. I have no history of mental disorders and I have a lifetime of medical and military records to show that.

you also missed all the parts where I was creating awareness on the web. You also missed the part where I'm not taking them to court but if there is something in this I will be happy to give my mountain of evidence to anyone that wants it. As I did already cooperating with the FDA. I'll let them dig into this and make a decision as to if it was just me.

 

[1meand]

Did you ever have aching nuts?

Just this one time in high school when I got hit by the dodge ball. Other than that, no.

 

[AlexParty]

Hey Wolverine,

My mistake if the issue has been dropped. I just thought I'd give out advice about bringing something to court. I thought of the arguments from their perspective that would have been used against you. In any case if it has been dropped I'm glad you can forget them and start spreading awareness. Good luck with it all.

Also one of the links on here has some research about the compound if I am not mistaken. It says about chest pain, anybody have any information on this?

Thanks

 

[wolverine1971]

Hey Wolverine,

My mistake if the issue has been dropped. I just thought I'd give out advice about bringing something to court. I thought of the arguments from their perspective that would have been used against you. In any case if it has been dropped I'm glad you can forget them and start spreading awareness. Good luck with it all.

Also one of the links on here has some research about the compound if I am not mistaken. It says about chest pain, anybody have any information on this?

Thanks

Thanks Alex. Yeah, as I mentioned in some earlier threads I don't have time to pursue this but if the compound is illegal other people will. That's about all that matters to me at this point. This happened to me 4 months ago so I recovered and just let it go. The only reason I've got back on these threads is because I saw the posts about a possible illegal ingredient and I want to know what it is. I did a little research on the suspected ingredient and it does cause psychosis in some people so we will just have to wait and see now.

 

[keeper]

Could you give a mini breakdown? I find pathways and receptors interesting. Or gimme a link to stuff to read.

I love caffiene, never touched ephedrine yet, and never touched speed speed(as in the drug)

I don't know about speed, but ephedrine is won-der-ful.

 

[ottonis]

Hey Wolverine,

Now all my point are logical. You claim that because of SX you become 'psychosis'. Psychosis is a mental disorder. You could have a history of this kind of behavior, I don't know for certain because I don't know you nor am I a psychologist. Just because your doctor didn't know enough about a certain substance found in SX doesn't mean you can link it to the cause. In court you would need hard evidence and fact backed up with documents to prove that the substance in SX was indeed the cause.
Your friend AlexParty

there are clear-cut diagnostic criteria for drug-induced psychosis. if these criteria are fulfilled, then you would only need to look which supplements he has been taking at that time and whether any of them did have the potential to induced psychosis.

And that the designer stimulant diphenylmethylpyrrolidine has a potential to induce psychosis is a ****sure thing.

 

[wolverine1971]

there are clear-cut diagnostic criteria for drug-induced psychosis. if these criteria are fulfilled, then you would only need to look which supplements he has been taking at that time and whether any of them did have the potential to induced psychosis.

And that the designer stimulant diphenylmethylpyrrolidine has a potential to induce psychosis is a ****sure thing.

You are correct on the criteria - that is what I have been told by several doctors and psychiatrists, and I have spoke to many. At least 10 doctors and several psychiatrists just on the day of my visit to the E.R. alone. And many for several weeks after to try to figure this out. It was important for them to figure out the cause to see if I was still at risk.

Although the ingredient list wasn't helping them at all and created a potentially dangerous situation because they really needed to know the actual ingredients to treat me in the E.R. But because AX is waiting on a patent they don't have to list the true ingredients? They put a warning on the label and then when doctors try to troubleshoot the problem by going through each ingredient on the list they can't.

 

[DreamWeaver]

This statement is completely untrue. One speed utilizes different pathways than another.

You say that like it mattered .. :wink1:

I don't care what pathway it takes, really all I know is speed; all kinds; have similar effects...almost identical actually. Yah there are differences and I guess they must take different pathways. One pathway may do more harm than than another, I don't know. It's all still speed though, and it all has negative effects of varying degrees. Trying to justify one over the other is strange to me. If you took enough caffine in the right concentration you would get a pretty profound effect. I am not saying this from a medical standpoint but more of a social one. Certainly some drugs are more manageable than others but they're all still drugs. Splitting hairs is what gets us to justify and we know where that leads. At least I haven't had too many positive experiences from doing things that way... none that I can think of actually. uppy_dog_eyes:

 

[DAdams91982]

You say that like it mattered .. :wink1:

I don't care what pathway it takes, really all I know is speed; all kinds; have similar effects...almost identical actually. Yah there are differences and I guess they must take different pathways. One pathway may do more harm than than another, I don't know. It's all still speed though, and it all has negative effects of varying degrees. Trying to justify one over the other is strange to me. If you took enough caffine in the right concentration you would get a pretty profound effect. I am not saying this from a medical standpoint but more of a social one. Certainly some drugs are more manageable than others but they're all still drugs. Splitting hairs is what gets us to justify and we know where that leads. At least I haven't had too many positive experiences from doing things that way... none that I can think of actually. uppy_dog_eyes:

I see what you mean.. but some of the speeds out there make you so damn euphoric that you can hardly function. There are the speeds that are strait CNS stimulation, then you have the ones that have that mind **** factor. I just didnt want people to think caffeine has the same effects as these designer speeds, especially since most of them are toxic to varying organs. Dont even get me started on Methylhexamine.

 

[hardknock]

Ahh, okay I get it.

Yes, there are, contrary to belief, snuggle rats all over just raking in MAJOR dough dealing with SEO and all parts dealing with such. The only issue is that many are scam artist sellung BS...

 

[DreamWeaver]

I see what you mean.. but some of the speeds out there make you so damn euphoric that you can hardly function. There are the speeds that are strait CNS stimulation, then you have the ones that have that mind **** factor. I just didnt want people to think caffeine has the same effects as these designer speeds, especially since most of them are toxic to varying organs. Dont even get me started on Methylhexamine.

Point taken.... yah that is very true you should not justify either way, meaning don't let the relative harmless effects of caffeine make you think that these more dangerous types are just as safe, and don't justify excessive mild amphetamine use because it is not really speed. Ah the mind is such a tricky thing. Good call !!!

Another thing I wanted to make very clear is, I am not going to get on my high horse and point my finger at AX. Like I said I knew what I was using from the first dose and I chose to continue to use it. If we don't take some responsibility over what we are doing then maybe we don't deserve to monitor ourselves, I don't know. For me; I had enough awareness about what I was doing to make my own decision, don't know about you others. Should something come out of this that I was unaware of then yah I have grounds for discontent. There is not sufficient enough evidence for me to say that though.

 

[hardknock]

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Okay... now I really hope someone can decipher from if it was from their urine or stool!

Sometimes but sometimes not. Depends though. If it was one episode and he was taking a crapper then urine would probably have flushed out of one end as his feces was coming out of the other. Unless you bend your head down while you are sitting and look, it goes unnoticed until you stand up...however, the tissue (assuming he used some) should have been an indicator of which end.

 

[urbanski]

So is 2-(diphenylmethyl) pyrrolidine something that would turn up on a drug screen?

even the possibility of this is what's making me throw my bottle out

 

[Iron Lungz]

Sometimes but sometimes not. Depends though. If it was one episode and he was taking a crapper then urine would probably have flushed out of one end as his feces was coming out of the other. Unless you bend your head down while you are sitting and look, it goes unnoticed until you stand up...however, the tissue (assuming he used some) should have been an indicator of which end.

Have you ever urinated blood? I have, unfortunately; after my injury in combat. It burns, it burns bad! I think you would know it.
:cussing:<------- Me when it happened.

 

[thebigt]

Point taken.... yah that is very true you should not justify either way, meaning don't let the relative harmless effects of caffeine make you think that these more dangerous types are just as safe, and don't justify excessive mild amphetamine use because it is not really speed. Ah the mind is such a tricky thing. Good call !!!

Another thing I wanted to make very clear is, I am not going to get on my high horse and point my finger at AX. Like I said I knew what I was using from the first dose and I chose to continue to use it. If we don't take some responsibility over what we are doing then maybe we don't deserve to monitor ourselves, I don't know. For me; I had enough awareness about what I was doing to make my own decision, don't know about you others. Should something come out of this that I was unaware of then yah I have grounds for discontent. There is not sufficient enough evidence for me to say that though.

wow, this is a great point. i know i begged for return of original stimx, as did others. company's were always bragging their stim was the strongest, and we kept wanting more-not all but many. this is a quote ' sports nutrition supplements account for 10% of the 25 BILLION dollar supplement industry', is it any wonder that anabolic extreme took chances with that kind of money up for grabs. 2.5 billion dollars-WOW, lets face it that is a hell of a lot of motivation.

 

[Zero V]

You say that like it mattered .. :wink1:

I don't care what pathway it takes, really all I know is speed; all kinds; have similar effects...almost identical actually. Yah there are differences and I guess they must take different pathways. One pathway may do more harm than than another, I don't know. It's all still speed though, and it all has negative effects of varying degrees. Trying to justify one over the other is strange to me. If you took enough caffine in the right concentration you would get a pretty profound effect. I am not saying this from a medical standpoint but more of a social one. Certainly some drugs are more manageable than others but they're all still drugs. Splitting hairs is what gets us to justify and we know where that leads. At least I haven't had too many positive experiences from doing things that way... none that I can think of actually. uppy_dog_eyes:

I took in 5g of caffeine one night when I pulled 5 weeks worth of backed up college courses into 24 hours of work time and study time for a final ^.^

It worked out great, but yeah I can see a high enough dose of caffeine being insane. I forgot the world had "time" it was amazing, I just pounded through the workload, took a 2 hour nap, then rocked out some school.

I don't know about speed, but ephedrine is won-der-ful.

Hasn't that been re-legalized? or am I wrong, I just remember seeing a discussion on that somewhere. Or am I even more wrong and thinking about the wrong thing.

Have you ever urinated blood? I have, unfortunately; after my injury in combat. It burns, it burns bad! I think you would know it.
:cussing:<------- Me when it happened.

Thank you for dealing with that for the nation, so someone else didnt have to.

 

[keeper]

Nah... they went through that business of taking it out of sup's, but you can still buy it on it's own. There are tons of sites, such as mod edit: no, no, no!!