Sheriff Joe

[ABNRanger]

My sentiments exactly Kingjameskjf. I firmly believe that if prison was not some holiday retreat, then maybe people will think more about not wanting to go back. I understand that sometimes innocent people get locked up, it is not fair, but, tough cookie. Maybe it should not be that way across the board for all inmates, but hey, don't make prison life a picnic either. There can be levels of harshness, but all in all, there should be no luxury whatsoever. You wanna watch tv, do it on your time and money. You want an education, go to school on your time and money.....not mine or law abiding citizens. I know I may offend some of you guys in here, especially ones that been on "vacation" before, I apologize for that....at least I am honest with my views. I am also sure that none of you want to go back For that, I applaud you.

 

[Irish Cannon]

Sheriff Joe is a freaking DOUCHE! He runs a JAIL, NOT a PRISON! Those people aren't even convicted yet. It's proven over and over again that his policies don't do a friggin thing in changing or "fixing" the inmates.

I'm speaking purely of his stupid policies like pink underwear, no-coffee, chain-gangs, etc. - The animal thing sounds good, and was a nice budget relief.

You guys do understand the difference between jail and prison, correct?

 

[Jayhawkk]

No, you're right, If a Nazi regime was ever implemented again in the US and they had concentration camps (there goes the alleged ADHD!) I wouldn't wait to "get caught" I would turn myself in at the nearest camp because that's the right thing to do. I would also write my congressman and tell him that this is not fair and know that he will save me.

You know there are shades of gray here... You don't jump from the beer incident to a Nazi regime. Some things don't require rioting to get things changed.

NO they did not.. do you know where he took the taxi to... well ill give u a hint.. he took it to get his car off the side of the road..

Once he is released it is his repsonsibility to continue to follow the law. Here in MD you can not drive a vehicle for 12 hours after arrest for a DUI. Do we follow you home and make sure you're not driving for 12 hours? Nope, it's just an increased fine if he's caught again after his arrest. He should consider himself lucky he didn't have to pay the impound fee.

 

[Erik2003]

like every argument on this website, this one has gone nuts

Nice original article. As a former Arizonan, I was very interested in hearing what Sherrif Jow is up to.

As expected, in eading this thread , it of course tangented off to some rediculous stupid argument, of course, in this case lead by the ACLU. Does anyone at the ACLU think before they speak?!?!?!

I guess the lesson here is read Anabolic Minds like one would read The Onion, for entertainment use only!

 

[conwict]

All laws are based on community rules.

Not exactly. Laws passed at the federal level, by executive order, or put into effect by the Supreme Court definitely aren't. And I don't give a darn if a majority voted for whoever, even if I voted for them...certain things are unconstitutional. In a straight democracy with no Bill of Rights, you get what you vote for. In the US, if more people were aware of their rights and fought for them, we wouldn't be having discussions about unconstitutional actions taken by the government. Bottom line, drug arrests in and of themselves are unconstitutional. Do you really want Uncle Sam and Big Brother deciding what you do and don't do, other than refraining from harming others?

Now, on a separate note, I'm all for prisoners (not people being held before trial in jail) running the animal shelter, etc.

 

[bigzach1234]

supposedly joe is trying to save money by having prisoners transported on the new light rail system with ordinary citizens.. with only 1 guard per car of inmates.. sounds like a great idea

 

[lennoxchi]

Drug users have no business in jail, they should go to rehab just like alcoholics. If they commit crimes while under then influence, then that's a separate situation.

if a non-drug user or a drug user is breaking the law then they might wind up in jail/prison. i suspect that on this subject you do not have all the facts. most states if not ALL, have programs centered around drug abusers/addicts. these programs take the prisoner and place them in a rehab/substance abuse facility to get treatment. to say that drug users have no business in jail is ignorant. some drug users break the law just like anyone else (non-drug abusers). i'll make this simple. laws are made by the people we elect to office, police enforce the laws, judges sentance people when they break the laws and the warden/sheriff monitors and enforces the rules and regulations of the prison system. this guy is not doing anythinlk illegal here, know why? he's still doing it, he has not been shut down by any one. putting a blanket statement like "drug users should go to rehab" might have some merit, but so would the statement like "rapists should go to counselers to talk about why they rape people, they should not be in jail". come on bro, you break the law, you might go to jail....wtf

 

[conwict]

if a non-drug user or a drug user is breaking the law then they might wind up in jail/prison. i suspect that on this subject you do not have all the facts. most states if not ALL, have programs centered around drug abusers/addicts. these programs take the prisoner and place them in a rehab/substance abuse facility to get treatment. to say that drug users have no business in jail is ignorant. some drug users break the law just like anyone else (non-drug abusers). i'll make this simple. laws are made by the people we elect to office, police enforce the laws, judges sentance people when they break the laws and the warden/sheriff monitors and enforces the rules and regulations of the prison system. this guy is not doing anythinlk illegal here, know why? he's still doing it, he has not been shut down by any one. putting a blanket statement like "drug users should go to rehab" might have some merit, but so would the statement like "rapists should go to counselers to talk about why they rape people, they should not be in jail". come on bro, you break the law, you might go to jail....wtf

You make some decent points, but just because an elected official isn't caught doing what he does wrong, or hasn't been taken to task for it, doesn't mean it isn't a violation of constitutionally protected rights. Your point goes out the window because you're implying that "you aren't breaking the law until you're caught." I am not at all supportive of recreational drug users or drug addicts or whatever you want to call them, but the system that processes them is totally screwed up. YES, they should take into account the consequences of their actions - as should everyone - but there is no way that your and my tax dollars should go toward housing nonviolent, victimless "criminals." Sure, they break other laws sometimes, throw em in for that. And again, just because someone is elected and hasn't been held accountable yet, their unconstitutional actions are NOT just fine and dandy.

BTW, the issue is further complicated by the fact that "rehab" is dominated by a cult, aka AA/NA/12-step programs. The government goes on to violate many drug and alcohol offenders' 1st amendment rights and just steps all over the 1st amendment in general because 12-step amounts to FAITH HEALING. Yes, it is accepted in the mainstream of society, but dig deeper. It is less effective than NOT using 12-step, and it is cloaked in BS and lies. Further, it is not scientifically based and doesn't even change based on new addiction science! If "rehab" = NA-oriented stuff, most drug users WOULD be better off in jail.

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[lennoxchi]

Your point goes out the window because you're implying that "you aren't breaking the law until you're caught." how did i do that? I am not at all supportive of recreational drug users or drug addicts or whatever you want to call them, but the system that processes them is totally screwed up.very true but there is no way that your and my tax dollars should go toward housing nonviolent, victimless "criminals." where do you suggest we send people who break the law? Sure, they break other laws sometimes, throw em in for that. And again, just because someone is elected and hasn't been held accountable yet, their unconstitutional actions are NOT just fine and dandy.you are correct, if they're doing something wrong they should be accountable like everyone else

It is less effective than NOT using 12-step by using statistics you are correct.
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see above, please

 

[DR.D]

... YES, they should take into account the consequences of their actions - as should everyone ...

Do you believe in God, or evolution?

 

[EasyEJL]

Do you believe in God, or evolution?

Does it necessarily have to be mutually exclusive?

 

[conwict]

I don't bother a whole lot with either/or questions, Dr. D. It's an interesting question in this context, though. I am totally open to the idea of a God, but I don't practice any religion at this point in time. You could say I'm agnostic. As for evolution, I think as far as the basic system, it's proven to my satisfaction. I don't see any reason why God or a god couldn't create something as elegant and logical as evolution.

If you are wondering if I hate twelve-step because I am not Christian/religious, that's not why. I hate the US government and judicial system's actions in terms of sanctifying faith healing (comes back to 1st amendment), but twelve-step is just plain destructive to anyone. People who go become dependent on "the program" to stay off drugs, and they basically go 1-7 nights per week to talk about how grateful they are that twelve-step exists, because without it they are such weak people (with the Disease of Addiction, a questionable model at best) that they would go to Jails, Institutions or Deaths - inevitably. They also believe that if they say anything against twelve-step, they will relapse...they believe that if they don't make enough meetings, they will relapse. Sounds more like a cult than treatment, to me. I think people who participate in religion should choose to do so because they feel it's true in their heart, not because they're brainwashed into thinking they'll die if they don't.

 

[lennoxchi]

I don't bother a whole lot with either/or questions, Dr. D. It's an interesting question in this context, though. I am totally open to the idea of a God, but I don't practice any religion at this point in time. You could say I'm agnostic. As for evolution, I think as far as the basic system, it's proven to my satisfaction. I don't see any reason why God or a god couldn't create something as elegant and logical as evolution.

If you are wondering if I hate twelve-step because I am not Christian/religious, that's not why. I hate the US government and judicial system's actions in terms of sanctifying faith healing (comes back to 1st amendment), but twelve-step is just plain destructive to anyone. People who go become dependent on "the program" to stay off drugs, and they basically go 1-7 nights per week to talk about how grateful they are that twelve-step exists, because without it they are such weak people (with the Disease of Addiction, a questionable model at best) that they would go to Jails, Institutions or Deaths - inevitably. They also believe that if they say anything against twelve-step, they will relapse...they believe that if they don't make enough meetings, they will relapse. Sounds more like a cult than treatment, to me. I think people who participate in religion should choose to do so because they feel it's true in their heart, not because they're brainwashed into thinking they'll die if they don't.

i used to go to meetings, quite regularlly. and i'm questioning why it is you keep throwing in the 1st amendment in your responces, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." now, knowing what i know about AA,NA,CA and others is that it is not religious. do they talk about god, yes, a lot as a matter of fact depending on what meeting you go to. but to say that the government sanctions these groups is a bit off. it actually sounds like you went to meetings in the past and had a bad experiece in which you still hold a grudge. let me also say that i do not go to meetings anymore or that i think that there is a need to defend those who do or the group/orginization as it is today. i do not believe that i'm gonna relapse if i stop going or if i talk about AA in a negitive way. there is good and bad things about AA, IMO, as with anyother thing in life. the courts suggest or demand AA for various reasons, most of which i do not agree with, (possible sanction). sounds to me that you might agree with my personal opinion on that. now, i will say that i have heard, in meetings, some of the stuff you mentioned. AA is a cult, possibly the only escapegoat that AA has to that label is that they are not connected with a specific religion, but they are more a religion themselves, seperately.

 

[conwict]

i used to go to meetings, quite regularlly. and i'm questioning why it is you keep throwing in the 1st amendment in your responces, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." now, knowing what i know about AA,NA,CA and others is that it is not religious. do they talk about god, yes, a lot as a matter of fact depending on what meeting you go to. but to say that the government sanctions these groups is a bit off. it actually sounds like you went to meetings in the past and had a bad experiece in which you still hold a grudge. let me also say that i do not go to meetings anymore or that i think that there is a need to defend those who do or the group/orginization as it is today. i do not believe that i'm gonna relapse if i stop going or if i talk about AA in a negitive way. there is good and bad things about AA, IMO, as with anyother thing in life. the courts suggest or demand AA for various reasons, most of which i do not agree with, (possible sanction). sounds to me that you might agree with my personal opinion on that. now, i will say that i have heard, in meetings, some of the stuff you mentioned. AA is a cult, possibly the only escapegoat that AA has to that label is that they are not connected with a specific religion, but they are more a religion themselves, seperately.

Actually I did go to meetings, but I would say my experience was typical rather than particularly bad. My bottom line is that all 12-step is ineffective and destroys individuality and self-determination. It is counterproductive and ineffective. The first amendment is interpreted today as establishing a line between church and state, not as strictly being interpreted only as applying to the actions of Congress. It is also incorporated against the states. Therefore, according to the accepted modern interpretation that the 1A protects citizens against state endorsement of religion, I am arguing that AA/NA/etc violates that separation when judges REQUIRE people to go.

"This meeting is unaffiliated with...," "spiritual not religious," etc is all BS. It is cover-your-a** policy on their part.

I won't go into depth about my meeting experience, it isn't that interesting. What I will do though is say that I went for a while and just stopped going, then I felt pretty screwed up in the head because I bought into some of their cult nonsense. I read Invalid Link Removed and a lot clicked for me, and I realized that 12-step brainwashes people who attend by making them fear that they will relapse if they stop attending. I saw through that, but I still think a lot of people don't and I think it's harmful to society and so I speak out about it.

I encourage you to read this article, and anyone who's interested in discussing this issue.

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[lennoxchi]

Actually I did go to meetings, but I would say my experience was typical rather than particularly bad. My bottom line is that all 12-step is ineffective and destroys individuality and self-determination. It is counterproductive and ineffective. The first amendment is interpreted today as establishing a line between church and state, not as strictly being interpreted only as applying to the actions of Congress. It is also incorporated against the states. Therefore, according to the accepted modern interpretation that the 1A protects citizens against state endorsement of religion, I am arguing that AA/NA/etc violates that separation when judges REQUIRE people to go.

"This meeting is unaffiliated with...," "spiritual not religious," etc is all BS. It is cover-your-a** policy on their part.

I won't go into depth about my meeting experience, it isn't that interesting. What I will do though is say that I went for a while and just stopped going, then I felt pretty screwed up in the head because I bought into some of their cult nonsense. I read Invalid Link Removed and a lot clicked for me, and I realized that 12-step brainwashes people who attend by making them fear that they will relapse if they stop attending. I saw through that, but I still think a lot of people don't and I think it's harmful to society and so I speak out about it.

I encourage you to read this article, and anyone who's interested in discussing this issue.

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ok, now i understand your point. and 100% agree with you on it. the courts, judges so on, have no business in demanding or ordering someone to go to meetings, get a piece of paper signed saying they were there or any other silly stuff like that. i do agree with the brainwashing statement to some degree also. you get a lot of that a some meetings. and if your new, you are gonna believe it, and but into it, that is where some of the responsable people should stand up and set the record straight, but i do not think that will happen very much, most likely never. the whole "don't rock the boat" attitude concerns me, i threw my self under the bus many times in this regard, and got the cold shoulder to say the least. the fact of all this is....when someone 1st talked to you about your "problem" and called you on your $hit, you got what, uncomfortable.....now when someone suggests that your "solution" might be full of $hit and can give you reasons why, you get what? uncomforable again....i went through this process about a year and a half ago.....now i see positive in both going and not going. the problem i see lies in the meetings that tell you, you must go or your gonna use....this is crap and not true,,,but again if your new, your gonna believe it.

 

[Jayhawkk]

Personally think 12 step works for people because it's surrounding those in similar situations who are wanting similiar goals. While there may be more ritual based fluff in it than you would like, much like churches, it's about surrounding you with people of simliar wants/needs/feelings.

Anyways, that's all I get out of it.

 

[DR.D]

Does it necessarily have to be mutually exclusive?

Haha, I have a point EZ, let me explain...

I heard a preach on the radio a few days ago, discussing this very topic. It stuck me in a way I had never consciously realized before. We don't hold lions on trial when they eat up all the gazelle do we? We don't have a court hearing for the wolf that steals the rancher's sheep, do we (the rancher got screwed, the sheep were innocent too) so why not? We actually treat them quite the contrary. These thieves and killers are reverenced for their proficiency at survival, and we even protect and defend them at the expense of their victims! If man is just another animal in the evolutionary chain, a glorified monkey basically, then it's truly stupid to say 'they should take into account the consequences of their actions - as should everyone'. On what basis?! If survival of the fittest runs the show then you better quit whining about crime and learn to watch your own azz, because it's all about survival and every man for himself is the bottom line, no? Seriously, you can't define "criminal act" or hold anybody accountable. How can you blame anybody for anything, they're just tryin' to survive like everybody else man. If there is no God, then the strong survive and that's the only rule period.

I thought about it for awhile, the words he spoke. I had never really quantitated it before, but he's damn sure right. My point is that anybody who believes in concepts like 'right/wrong' or 'justice' or 'accountability' already believes in God necessarily (whether he wants to face it or not) because those concepts don't naturally exist in the slime mold we supposedly evolved from, lol.

You already know how I feel EZ, and I won't contaminate this with my personal bias, just thought it was too interesting a point not to relay in this thread.

 

[conwict]

t's truly stupid to say 'they should take into account the consequences of their actions - as should everyone'. On what basis?! If survival of the fittest runs the show then you better quit whining about crime and learn to watch your own azz, because it's all about survival and every man for himself is the bottom line, no? Seriously, you can't define "criminal act" or hold anybody accountable. How can you blame anybody for anything, they're just tryin' to survive like everybody else man. If there is no God, then the strong survive and that's the only rule period.

DR.D, you're all over the place! I agree a lot with what you're saying generally: that people need to take responsibility for their own safety and wellbeing. However, that kind of contradicts you disagreeing with me when I said "people should take into account the consequences of their own actions" (or in this case, inactions). You can't have it both ways!

More specifically though the reason I disagree with your reply is because I was actually only saying that drug users need to consider the consequences of their actions when it comes to using drugs and potentially being caught, even though I disagree with drug prohibition. Hopefully that makes more sense, 'cause it has zilch that I can see with "the strong surviving." You may take issue with the fact that I say "they need to take into account the consequences of their own actions," but that's a demonstrable statement. Survival is literally based on needs. If you do not meet your basic needs - shelter, water, food in that order - you will not survive. Similarly, over the longer term, if someone has a mindset that consists of not "taking into account the consequences of their own actions" (on themselves and others), they will not survive.

Finally, although the above was much much more relevant to your and my discussion, I will say that because of a concept known as a "social contract" and different selective pressures humans -do- live differently from other animals (yeah, humans are animals, but we are not the same as other animals - although we aren't "more different," just different). All those young men who try to rob convenience stores and get killed or put in the slammer - either one prevents them from reproducing a lot of the time - have weeded themselves out of the gene pool.

Similarly, it's impossible to truly gauge what selective pressures and the direction of humanity is right now. That's probably true for any small scale of time - the big trends don't emerge until later - but especially now. With all the farming, social, technological, medical, urban, etc changes humans' environments have changed more in the last few generations than at any other time.

 

[conwict]

Jayhawkk, I took a similar "Whatever, if it works it works" attitude before I went to NA. Honestly though, it not only doesn't work, its destructive attitudes make it worse than not working. Think of it like this. You could say a bunch of people who want to be healthy and get together and go jogging every night after work probably succeed in meeting their goals because of the same reason. You'd be right. But if they believe that they will only be healthy if they jog every night, that they must sever engagements and obligations to family, work, and themselves to do so, and they jog even when there are health concerns at stake - is it still "effective?" No! It's obsessive.

NA is exactly the same way. Sure, in theory, there's nothing wrong with going to a meeting every night if it helps you stay clean. But there is something wrong with convincing yourself and others that you must do that on a regular (daily or multiple times per week) basis or relapse; there is something wrong with defining "staying clean" as not taking things like antipsychotics, antidepressants, etc if you need them; there is something wrong with it if you feel you can't make important obligations because you have to make a meeting...just like you have every night for the last four years.

lennox, like I said I wasn't any more damaged by it than the regular NA attendee. I had some rocky circumstances in my life and hadn't used drugs for over 2 years. I wasn't tempted to. But I was convinced by multiple people to "check out a meeting" for support because they would "understand me." I was desperate for some kind of outlet so I went, and started to get sucked into their crap. Then I missed some meetings and when nothing bad happened, just decided it wasn't worth the time. As I started reading those sites I posted, I realized that it really did mess with my head to go there for just 4-6 months. Badly.

Don't get me wrong, there were some cool people there with good advice. That's what sucked me in; but all streams led to the same river, and I still maintain that 12-step is really bad stuff.

 

[DR.D]

DR.D, you're all over the place! I agree a lot with what you're saying generally: that people need to take responsibility for their own safety and wellbeing. However, that kind of contradicts you disagreeing with me when I said "people should take into account the consequences of their own actions" (or in this case, inactions). You can't have it both ways! ...

I think I gave you the wrong idea (I'm not a very good communicator, lol). I was totally agreeing with you, sorry if I wasn't clear. I do believe in justice and accountability! The only reason I asked if you believed in God was to show you that you do, whether you realized it or not.

 

[lennoxchi]

I think I gave you the wrong idea (I'm not a very good communicator, lol). I was totally agreeing with you, sorry if I wasn't clear. I do believe in justice and accountability! The only reason I asked if you believed in God was to show you that you do, whether you realized it or not.

just gotta make a point don't ya DR? (joking) your point about the God reference you mentioned was cool, been thinkin about it last couple of days

 

[conwict]

DR.D, I get you then. That makes sense actually. I just reread your last few original sentences and it did make more sense - my fault. As you probably know, lots of philosophers argue that society is a manifestation of God's will or religiosity, and that can be good or bad (good if it works well, bad if we get things like the Spanish Inquisition etc).

Good talking with you!

 

[DR.D]

DR.D, I get you then. That makes sense actually. I just reread your last few original sentences and it did make more sense - my fault. As you probably know, lots of philosophers argue that society is a manifestation of God's will or religiosity, and that can be good or bad (good if it works well, bad if we get things like the Spanish Inquisition etc).

Good talking with you!

Amen conwict! Religion can really suck, no argument there. I don't even attend a local church regularly, but I know there's some good ones out there because I listen to them on the radio. Still, as corrupted and skewed as religion can be, I have learned to separate bunk church politics from the truth of God. I was just giving some food for thought and not trying to jack this thread I promise! You and lennox are very gracious, thanks for entertaining the sidetrack, it just seemed relevant for some inclination.

 

[Bionic]

The simple fact of the matter is that whether you agree with his methods or not, he's an ELECTED official. He didn't "seize" power. The good people of that state voted him in democratically.

 

[wastedwhiteboy2]

I love joe! I wish he would come to my town.

 

[kingjameskjf]

I love joe! I wish he would come to my town.

lol, Me too bro!

 

[dpfisher]

Do I get to say "I told you so" yet?

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[nparisi]

I hate sheriff Joe. He's a deranged old man. His pet "youth alcohol squad" cost me around 1,000 dollars because I had a small party when I was 20 and was busted by them and blew a .04 (OMG no). Six months later I could be driving around town in that condition legally. Hogwash. Six officers were apparently necessary to organize and breathalyze 20 or so kids, talk about a waste of resources. And they threw my friend into my dad's wall for no reason. so awesome.
Anyone hear about the new 'pass the buck' law in AZ? Now you can get a DUI just being a drunk PASSENGER if the driver has had a drink...lmao. I don't know how much influence he had on it but I'm sure he had something to do with it. Soon you will be castrated if you're caught drunk on a tricycle.
I don't think prison should be a vacation either but taking away the weights? That's a prison staple. Whatever, I can't stand the guy I just take comfort in the face that he's rapidly approaching 78.

 

[nparisi]

I love joe! I wish he would come to my town.

please take him...I'd be overjoyed.

 

[kingjameskjf]

Do I get to say "I told you so" yet?

...

Strong 10 month bump, lol! BTW, he is ACCUSED of abuse of power and is convicted of nothing...soooo.....good job, you really showed us!

I hate sheriff Joe. He's a deranged old man. His pet "youth alcohol squad" cost me around 1,000 dollars because I had a small party when I was 20 and was busted by them and blew a .04 (OMG no). Six months later I could be driving around town in that condition legally. Hogwash. Six officers were apparently necessary to organize and breathalyze 20 or so kids, talk about a waste of resources. And they threw my friend into my dad's wall for no reason. so awesome.
Anyone hear about the new 'pass the buck' law in AZ? Now you can get a DUI just being a drunk PASSENGER if the driver has had a drink...lmao. I don't know how much influence he had on it but I'm sure he had something to do with it. Soon you will be castrated if you're caught drunk on a tricycle.
I don't think prison should be a vacation either but taking away the weights? That's a prison staple. Whatever, I can't stand the guy I just take comfort in the face that he's rapidly approaching 78.

LMAO! So you're mad that YOU broke the law and got caught. Way to step up and accept responsibility.

 

[timmmah]

He saves my state millions of dollars every year by putting criminals to work and building jails out of tents donated by the army from the Korean War.

Also, did you know Joe spends twice as much $ to feed a police dog than a prisoner?okey:

I live in Arizona and it scares the bejeezus out of me to think about spending time in the tents. In summer it gets over 120 in there! I think about that before I do something stupid like drink and drive, or smack some punk in the mouth, it's not worth it. I'm sure other Arizonians feel the same way.

Bottom line is Joe single handedly lowers crime rates, he's okay in my book.

 

[nparisi]

Strong 10 month bump, lol! BTW, he is ACCUSED of abuse of power and is convicted of nothing...soooo.....good job, you really showed us!



LMAO! So you're mad that YOU broke the law and got caught. Way to step up and accept responsibility.

LOL yeah I was a real menace to society douche. Have you ever injected? You've broken the law then so **** you vagin. I'm sure you've broken the law before I'm sure you had a little booze before you were 21, you'd be pissed too if you paid for it out the ass and had physical property damage you tool
:bryce:

 

[kingjameskjf]

LOL yeah I was a real menace to society douche. Have you ever injected? You've broken the law then so **** you vagin. I'm sure you've broken the law before I'm sure you had a little booze before you were 21, you'd be pissed too if you paid for it out the ass and had physical property damage you tool
:bryce:

LMAO! Here goes your childish antics again. BTW, I don't drink...so looks like you failed on that one too! You chose to break the law, you got caught and punished. Grow up and accept it. Welcome to life where there are consquences for the choices you make. Man up and quite whining.

 

[nparisi]

LMAO! Here goes your childish antics again. BTW, I don't drink...so looks like you failed on that one too! You chose to break the law, you got caught and punished. Grow up and accept it. Welcome to life where there are consquences for the choices you make. Man up and quite whining.

LMAO dude you're cracking me up.
I accepted responsibility for it. I paid for it. I went to court 3 times for it. The day I don't express myself about it is the day I'm dead. Maybe you like to take the figurative boning and stay quiet about it(or scream in ecstasy), but not me.
Hey next time you are feelin frisky and goin cruisin for young boys to fondle, I hope Chris Hansen pays you a visit.
It doesn't matter if you don't drink, that wasn't my point dumbass. My point was the punishment was way extreme for the crime. Everyone breaks the law. You've rolled thru a stop sign. Probably put a few roofies in drinks cuz you sound really lame and boring. You're a self-righteous sanctimonious
nutjob.
Keep cradling Arpaio's saggy balls, he won't be around much longer.
Anyways, stay clean choir boy.

 

[nparisi]

LMAO! Here goes your childish antics again. BTW, I don't drink...so looks like you failed on that one too! You chose to break the law, you got caught and punished. Grow up and accept it. Welcome to life where there are consquences for the choices you make. Man up and quite whining.

The word you're searching for is quit...That's a rather childish mistake my squeaky-clean friend.

 

[DR.D]

LMAO dude you're cracking me up.
I accepted responsibility for it. I paid for it. I went to court 3 times for it. The day I don't express myself about it is the day I'm dead. Maybe you like to take the figurative boning and stay quiet about it(or scream in ecstasy), but not me.
Hey next time you are feelin frisky and goin cruisin for young boys to fondle, I hope Chris Hansen pays you a visit.
It doesn't matter if you don't drink, that wasn't my point dumbass. My point was the punishment was way extreme for the crime. Everyone breaks the law. You've rolled thru a stop sign. Probably put a few roofies in drinks cuz you sound really lame and boring. You're a self-righteous sanctimonious
nutjob.
Keep cradling Arpaio's saggy balls, he won't be around much longer.
Anyways, stay clean choir boy.

Hey! I know you feel offended by his admonition, but that's enough of the name calling and put downs.

 

[lennoxchi]

I hate sheriff Joe. He's a deranged old man. His pet "youth alcohol squad" cost me around 1,000 dollars because I had a small party when I was 20 and was busted by them and blew a .04 (OMG no). Six months later I could be driving around town in that condition legally. Hogwash. Six officers were apparently necessary to organize and breathalyze 20 or so kids, talk about a waste of resources. And they threw my friend into my dad's wall for no reason. so awesome.
Anyone hear about the new 'pass the buck' law in AZ? Now you can get a DUI just being a drunk PASSENGER if the driver has had a drink...lmao. I don't know how much influence he had on it but I'm sure he had something to do with it. Soon you will be castrated if you're caught drunk on a tricycle.
I don't think prison should be a vacation either but taking away the weights? That's a prison staple. Whatever, I can't stand the guy I just take comfort in the face that he's rapidly approaching 78.

i love it when people get caught breaking the law and then bitch about having the law enforced on them like they're someone special. go along with the laws or run for some kind of office and have them changed. and your friend? are you sure he wasn't mouthing off, or being a wise a$$? i don't know how it works in AZ but in Ill. or more to the location, Chicago, that will get your head split sometimes

 

[kingjameskjf]

i love it when people get caught breaking the law and then bitch about having the law enforced on them like they're someone special. go along with the laws or run for some kind of office and have them changed. and your friend? are you sure he wasn't mouthing off, or being a wise a$$? i don't know how it works in AZ but in Ill. or more to the location, Chicago, that will get your head split sometimes

lol, exactely what I was trying to say!

 

[dsade]

i love it when people get caught breaking the law and then bitch about having the law enforced on them like they're someone special. go along with the laws or run for some kind of office and have them changed. and your friend? are you sure he wasn't mouthing off, or being a wise a$$? i don't know how it works in AZ but in Ill. or more to the location, Chicago, that will get your head split sometimes

So the penalty, as written into law, for being mouthy/wise-assy to a cop is assault? And this somehow isn't abuse of power?

 

[lennoxchi]

So the penalty, as written into law, for being mouthy/wise-assy to a cop is assault? And this somehow isn't abuse of power?

no of course not. i didn't mean to give the impression that it's ok, i'm not that goofy. but when people say "i didn't do nothing" and wind up getting shoved, roughed up or worse they're normally full of it. again, of course it's not right to say that abuse of power or violating someones rights is ok, to say that would be one of the stupidest things i'd ever say......and i've said some stupid things before, to be sure.

 

[dpfisher]

BTW, he is ACCUSED.... ....and is convicted of nothing...soooo.....good job, you really showed us!:

You mean like all those people he's abusing in his tent city?

 

[JudoJosh]

LOL... I agree 100% with your sheriff Joe. Jail should be a punishment for prisoners. If it were up to me I would make them wear clown suits all day and take away their weights and other activities and have the only activity be drama and have them act out shakespare while wearing a clown suit.. LOL... Imaginegoing to jail and seeing a clown rape aother clown... You'll NEVER wanna go back.

 

[nparisi]

i love it when people get caught breaking the law and then bitch about having the law enforced on them like they're someone special. go along with the laws or run for some kind of office and have them changed. and your friend? are you sure he wasn't mouthing off, or being a wise a$$? i don't know how it works in AZ but in Ill. or more to the location, Chicago, that will get your head split sometimes

My man...I'm not someone special. In fact i would have LOVED to get the NORMAL/unspecial punishment in this case, a simple MIC for a few hundred dollars. That's NOT what I got. Since it was Sheriff Joe's pet unit, more fees, harsher penalties, etc. Most of the time I've been partying it's a simple WARNING from uniformed officers. These were street clothes officers who could've flashed a damn cracker jax badge for all I know when they busted through the door.
And my friend might have been mouthing off, I was a little busy with the other cops at the time but I sure as hell snapped to attention when they put a dent in my dad's wall. Nice. Still not necessary.
Laws are highly subjective. Like I said, six months later I could've been legally driving. That's how MFing out of control I was. What a wasted youth.
Laws change all the time. Would you bitch if you got nabbed for having some banned PHs now that the laws changed? I bet you would, I bet most people on here would, think about it. Complacency and NOT speaking your mind is more dangerous than "whining" IMO. And I would never run for office to have laws changed. Not my cup of tea.
Arpaio's under investigation again, and hopefully he will be out of power soon.

 

[nparisi]

Hey! I know you feel offended by his admonition, but that's enough of the name calling and put downs.

Yeah you're right. I just get a little heated when people get all self righteous but I KNOW would be singing a different tune if they were on the other side.
Anyways, the point I was trying to get across is he abuses his power and my experience was a little overboard. Sure he may save money and resources on tent city but he doesn't mind wasting resources on drinking...there were 7 officers at my place at one point for a total of maybe the 6 underagers who blew anything on the breathalyzer.
Sorry for being a jerk, I'll just be bitter about this one forever I think

 

[lennoxchi]

Would you bitch if you got nabbed for having some banned PHs now that the laws changed? I bet you would, I bet most people on here would, think about it. Complacency and NOT speaking your mind is more dangerous than "whining" IMO. And I would never run for office to have laws changed. Not my cup of tea.

for the record, no i wouldn't be mad if i got nabbed for having a ph/ps/aas. guess what, i know i'm breaking the law. and i know if i get caught it's my fault not the cops. now are the laws a little out of control in regards to many things? no. they're a LOT out of control. getting caught breaking the law means that if i get caught i'm going to be punished. do i disagree with a good many laws and like you, it's not my cup of tea.

 

[dsade]

for the record, no i wouldn't be mad if i got nabbed for having a ph/ps/aas. guess what, i know i'm breaking the law. and i know if i get caught it's my fault not the cops. now are the laws a little out of control in regards to many things? no. they're a LOT out of control. getting caught breaking the law means that if i get caught i'm going to be punished. do i disagree with a good many laws and like you, it's not my cup of tea.

..and by extension you are ok being sodomized by a disease infested prisoner...you know, since you broke such a serious law and all, threatening the very fabric of society and Ole Joe is making sure scum like you have it rough?

 

[lennoxchi]

..and by extension you are ok being sodomized by a disease infested prisoner...you know, since you broke such a serious law and all, threatening the very fabric of society and Ole Joe is making sure scum like you have it rough?

well that depends. is he good looking? am i in prision for the rest of my life with no parole? cause if i am there's going to be alot of time in solitary for fighting, no one is going in through the out exit.

 

[kingjameskjf]

You mean like all those people he's abusing in his tent city?

Come back and talk to me when he actually gets convicted of something!

LOL... I agree 100% with your sheriff Joe. Jail should be a punishment for prisoners. If it were up to me I would make them wear clown suits all day and take away their weights and other activities and have the only activity be drama and have them act out shakespare while wearing a clown suit.. LOL... Imaginegoing to jail and seeing a clown rape aother clown... You'll NEVER wanna go back.

LMAO! Now that was funny!

...blah blah blah...

Joe only has power to enforce what is decided as law through legislation from people we appoint to speak for us. Thus, that is your law too!

for the record, no i wouldn't be mad if i got nabbed for having a ph/ps/aas. guess what, i know i'm breaking the law. and i know if i get caught it's my fault not the cops. now are the laws a little out of control in regards to many things? no. they're a LOT out of control. getting caught breaking the law means that if i get caught i'm going to be punished. do i disagree with a good many laws and like you, it's not my cup of tea.

Agreed

well that depends. is he good looking? am i in prision for the rest of my life with no parole? cause if i am there's going to be alot of time in solitary for fighting, no one is going in through the out exit.

LOL!

 

[nparisi]

I'll re-iterate this because you and your buddy keep arguing with me under false pretenses. I AM NOT upset that I broke the law and got punished. I am upset that the SEVERITY of this was much different than that of countless others in the same circumstance. If you don't agree that there should be CONSISTENCY in applying the law, well I won't argue with an insane man.
You're lame dude. Go hang out with C.M. Punk. Straiiiiiiiiiiiiight Edge fa life

Come back and talk to me when he actually gets convicted of something!



LMAO! Now that was funny!



Joe only has power to enforce what is decided as law through legislation from people we appoint to speak for us. Thus, that is your law too!




Agreed



LOL!

 

[EasyEJL]

what you didn't know you lived in Sheriff Joe's territory?